Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

[Kafrican]

Now u buid a rail that can accomodate say 22 mln tonnes a year then u bought locomotives n wagons with axle load 25 tonnes! and worst enough none of the engine can pull 100 wagons! Mind u the SGR is a single line! Huu ndio ufalamanga naokuambia kila siku! BTW according to today's report that SGR costed $5 bln and not $4.3 bln as was said before!

You continue to show just how much you don't know....
1.Less axle load means more frequencies, more axle means less frequencies.
2. Ethiopia has double line for 105km but you know how we manage to have more carrying capacity than them? We have line 33-40 loop lines /passing stations just between Msa-Nrb alone, What that means is when timed/scheduled to the minute, trains can pass each other on the single track stopping for only 5 mins (with passenger trains given right of way) ---- That means we can achieve the same effect as having half the distance with double lines.


I have told here before there is something called "Operations Research" ... Just because something make sense in your small head doesn't make it true.... You actually have to do some complex calculations...

Lets say it takes 3 hours to fill up one Tanzanian 10,000 tonnes train, and it takes one hour to fill one Kenyan 4,000 ton train... By the end of the first hour, one of the Kenyan trains would be full and will leave for its destination, by the end of the second hour the next Kenyan train will also leave and have a head start, By the end of the 3rd hour, the Tanzanian train will now be full, but so will the 3rd Kenyan train... and since the Tanzanian Train is slightly faster it will reach its destination earlier.... But the first two Kenyans trains would have already reached their destination and started unloading cargo by then, and once they are done, they will start going back to pick more, By the time The Tanzanian train reaches its destination and starts unloading cargo, the third Kenyan train will get there before or less than an hour after you have unloaded all the cargo and at the end of the day, 3 Kenyan trains would have delivered 12,000 tonnes, while 1 Tanzanian Train would have delivered 10,000 tonns..... At the end of the year that will be 4,380,000 for Kenya and 3,650,000 for Tanzania...

👆👆 That is just but a simplistic example of how you end up with results which you never imagined when you tried to just think about such things without using a formula to calculate

 

[Kafrican]

Unaongelea kutoka matakoni 32kV=220kV? 😀 💩

Kama pia unataka kufundishwa hadi hesabu,

Hii ndo mathematical symbol ya Equivalent

Ama pia unaeza tumia hii symbol

As you can see there in the pic, N ={t,w,o} is equivalent to M = {2,1,4}, because they are both variables that contain a set of 3 characters.... But M and N are NOT equal because the set of characters in those variables are different!!!!


Equal - When two things are same or identical in amount or quantity, we call them as equal.

Equivalent - When two things cannot be compared directly, it is better not to call them equal. There is another word labeled equivalent that echoes this sentiment.


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So in our case the Tanzanian 220kV TL is equivalent to the Kenyan 32kV TL in the sense that they are both Transmission lines, even if they have different purpose in their respective SGR.

 

[Kafrican]

Kigamboni bridge was built this way.

Kigamboni Bridge was built using cables holding the bridge in suspension, unaona cables hapo kwa hilo daraja la SGR???

 

[Kafrican]

Ngong Tunnel 4.5KM

 

[Kafrican]

Ukiwa unaingia Mombasa

 

[Bantugbro]

.. hahaha, angalia unavyopatashida kujitetea, hio yote ni kwa sababu ya kutaka kuleta mifano ambayo ni out of context ili tu ionekane na nyie pia mnajenga TL ya SGR...

Your 220 kV transmission line for electric SGR is our equivalent 32kV continuous power supplyline to power comms equipent, stations etc..........
The issue here is not about the cost of the 220kV line VS the 32kV line, the issue here is about who paid for the line!!! IN our case the cost everything is included in the contract, in your case its not!


Know how to think and reason first b4 you start talking!

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[Geza Ulole]

Your 220 kV transmission line for electric SGR is our equivalent 32kV continuous power supplyline to power comms equipent, stations etc..........
The issue here is not about the cost of the 220kV line VS the 32kV line, the issue here is about who paid for the line!!! IN our case the cost everything is included in the contract, in your case its not!


Know how to think and reason first b4 you start talking!

suppose our SGR was diesel like urs r u trying to say we wouldn't have signals n communication equipment installed?

 

[Geza Ulole]

Narrow Gauge Railway yasombwa na mafuriko

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

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[Kafrican]

.. hahaha, angalia unavyopatashida kujitetea, hio yote ni kwa sababu ya kutaka kuleta mifano ambayo ni out of context ili tu ionekane na nyie pia mnajenga TL ya SGR...

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unatoka nje ya mada sasa, Kwani unafikiri hio milingoti na nyaya za stima kutoka Nairobi hadi Mombasa hazina garama????

 

[Kafrican]

suppose our SGR was diesel like urs r u trying to say we wouldn't have signals n communication equipment installed?

If you did, That power line would have been constructed by TANESCO just like they are doing right now for the electrification of the SGR.... This is what I have been trying to tell you, and that is exactly why I compared your TL line with ours which was built by the contractors budget.

 

[Kafrican]

 

[Kafrican]

KRC X70 Flat Bed Wagons in China

 

[Kafrican]

 

[Kafrican]

mim naona stations kama size hii ni nzuri kuliko hata yale makubwa in non-urban areas 🤷🏾‍♂️

- Huezi jua, Unaeza ukajenga stesheni kubwa leo na isiwahi kujaa hata miaka 20 baadae ukawa ulipoteza pesa,
- Kwa upande mwengine unaeza ukajenga ka stesheni kadogo alafu usafiri wa reli ukashika kupindukia kila mtu anapenda kusafiri na reli, miaka 5 baadae ukakuta watu wanasimama hadi nje manake ndani ya stesheni hakuna mahali pa kukaa...

Kwahivyo stesheni kua kubwa au ndogo inafaa iendane na malengo au hesabu ya vile miji inakua kila mwaka au kila baada ya miaka kumi na kama hizo stesheni zitatosheleza abiria wa hapo mbeleni.

Kwa mfano Stesheni za Kenya zimejengewa kwa minajili ya abiria wa 2035, sio abiria wa sasa

Athi River Station
This station is expected to have a transport capacity of 237,000 people while the maximum passengers in waiting room will be 250 by 2035.


Kibwezi
The station is expected to have a transport capacity of 135,000 people while the maximum passengers in waiting room will be 150 by 2035.


Miasenyi Station
The station’s passenger delivery volume is expected to be 119,000 while the maximum passengers in waiting room will be 150 in 2035.


Voi Station
The passenger delivery volume is expected to be 249,000 while the maximum passengers in waiting room will be 250 in 2035.

 

[Kafrican]

nilitegemea tu lazima kuwe na comment ya kujidefend! i heard there’s a idle station.. suswa sijui 🤷🏾‍♂️ ichoboy01 isn’t it?? .. no more comment on this!

NImekuelezea vizuri sana, kwamba inaeza ikaenda upande wowote, unaweza ukawa na station ndogo na ikawa haitoshi hapo mbeleni au unaweza ukawa na stesheni kubwa na ikawa haitawahi kujaa....
Lakini kwavile wewe mnafik hio comment yako kumbe ilikua umeileta na malengo yake, unasema na ji defend, haujui kumbe pia wewe unaji defend????? Kwanini maoni yako ni kwamba stesheni inafaa iwe ndogo?? Si ni kwasababu stesheni zote za TZ ni ndogo?????? So inadvertently hio comment yakoya kwamba stesheni za nje ya miji zinafaa ziwe ndogo, ulikua unatetea position ya Tanzania kwasababu imejenga stesheni ndogo.. Kwahivyo usijifanye roho ya pamba hapa!


Suswa nimiongoni mwa stesheni za phase 2A ilioanzishwa miezi miwili iliopita wakati hata barabara hazijamalazwa..... Lakini stesheni yenyewe itasimama kwa miaka zaidi ya sabini, kwahivyo matokeo yake ya miezi miwili ya kwanza ni irrelevant!!!!! Ikifika kama 2025 na bado abiria hawajazi angalau nusu stesheni hapo ndo uanze kuongea vibaya....

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

NImekuelezea vizuri sana, kwamba inaeza ikaenda upande wowote, unaweza ukawa na station ndogo na ikawa haitoshi hapo mbeleni au unaweza ukawa na stesheni kubwa na ikawa haitawahi kujaa....
Lakini kwavile wewe mnafik hio comment yako kumbe ilikua umeileta na malengo yake, unasema na ji defend, haujui kumbe pia wewe unaji defend????? Kwanini maoni yako ni kwamba stesheni inafaa iwe ndogo?? Si ni kwasababu stesheni zote za TZ ni ndogo?????? So inadvertently hio comment yakoya kwamba stesheni za nje ya miji zinafaa ziwe ndogo, ulikua unatetea position ya Tanzania kwasababu imejenga stesheni ndogo.. Kwahivyo usijifanye roho ya pamba hapa!


Suswa nimiongoni mwa stesheni za phase 2A ilioanzishwa miezi miwili iliopita wakati hata barabara hazijamalazwa..... Lakini stesheni yenyewe itasimama kwa miaka zaidi ya sabini, kwahivyo matokeo yake ya miezi miwili ya kwanza ni irrelevant!!!!! Ikifika kama 2025 na bado abiria hawajazi angalau nusu stesheni hapo ndo uanze kuongea vibaya....

Reli ilijengwa kubeba mizigo. Revenue projections zote 90-95% ni mizigo.
Tanzania wanafahamu sana hilo..Hawakurupuki kujenga stesheni kubwa sio kwa kukosa pesa, pesa wako nayo lakini akili pia wako nayo tena ya ziada

 

[Kafrican]

Reli ilijengwa kubeba mizigo. Revenue projections zote 90-95% ni mizigo.
Tanzania wanafahamu sana hilo..Hawakurupuki kujenga stesheni kubwa sio kwa kukosa pesa, pesa wako nayo lakini akili pia wako nayo tena ya ziada

Hata huku Kenya reli imejengwa kwa model ya 95% freight na 5% Passenger service.... Lakini hizo percentges zinaongelea kuhusu pesa/revenue.
Haimaanishi eti miundombinu ya abiria inajengwa na 5% ya hela, inamaanisha kwamba biashara ya abiria haitaleta faida kama vile biashara ya mizigo. Yani kwa kifupi, hata kama reli itabeba abiria 10 Million lakini mizigo iwe ni 5 million tonnes, faida ya mizigo bado itakua nyingi kuliko ya abiria.... Lakini haimaanishi eti kwasababu abiria 10 Million hawaleti faida basi warundikwe kwa ka stesheni kadogo hadi wengine wabidi wakae huko nje wakipigwa na jua au kunyeshewa na mvua!

 

[diamond d]

Reli ilijengwa kubeba mizigo. Revenue projections zote 90-95% ni mizigo.
Tanzania wanafahamu sana hilo..Hawakurupuki kujenga stesheni kubwa sio kwa kukosa pesa, pesa wako nayo lakini akili pia wako nayo tena ya ziada

I can see you have true facts, but this thread is full of just show off, and insults but these are peoples of nowadays [emoji16]


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