Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Kevin85ify said:
so you moved to phase 2 without completing phase 1?
What next ,you move to the rwandan border and build a 40 km stretch while leaving phase 1 and 2 incomplete?
You guys are pure unadulterated cornucopia of confusion and stupid combined.
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It seems a little bit complicated to u kenyans but the answer is our Giant country has enough money to finance all the projects at the same time, don't compare.p
 
Kevin85ify said:
where is the electric train? You do not have it and not even thought of buying them.
Where is the track? It is not complete and stuck in the first 200 km meaning you have only 120 km of metal on the ground.
Incase you did not understand let me pump it into your sewer rat Tanzanian IQ.
Your sgr does not exist.
No electric trains, No power and an incomplete track.
You have not finished the first 200 km, for God's sake even a toddler will see you are a complete moron for comparing your hopeless project to an operational modern service.
Tanzanians truly you are the idiots of east africa.
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Its real crazy to talk with from kunya bcause they are both dumb n stupidy at the sametime....hey yooh noncompoop...deal with your level....y will never ever compare electric train with diesel trush from chinese .....shut up n deal with it...[emoji582][emoji582][emoji582][emoji1241][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
 
Kevin85ify said:
The first 200 km has a delay over 1 year and it seems all construction has slowed. You have not even procured trains. The contractor wants to import steel since your ony steel company went bankrupt while supplying your project, but your government will not let it import.
Forget the trains just enough power to power the trains is not there and you are depending on another pipe dream dam.
You have not even started the process of buying trains. Your train stations are not yet complete
All this delay and it is only 200 km, Kenya took 3 years to build 485 km and 200 km is a problem to Tanzania.
Pipelines have stalled and the project is now in limbo.You are now begging everybody to forgive your debts
Get your house in order first before you compare yourselves to the third largest economy in sub saharan africa.
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Even if it delayed for a year its electric you nincompoop so mind your level to deal with...we dont talk diesel...so why dont you discus your esiriaraa with our Mgr....at list we can listern your concern[emoji4][emoji4]
 
Kevin85ify said:
Question: Is phase 1 (200 km) completed?
Answer: No, but it has been between 60% and 70% since june last year.

Question: Do you already have the trains procured?
Answer: No.

Question: When was phase 1 supposed to begin operations?
Answer: Last year november.

Question:When do you expect to get phase 1 of 200 km complete?
Answer: We do not know but we are now at 70% complete.

Question: Wait you said 70% in October, November and December last year and again in March this year does it mean you are stuck?
Answer : (Cricket sounds)

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77%Complete n it was may update ,this is June dude
 
The best 007 said:
Do not compare the time of completion btn ur diesel sgr and Tz electric sgr, u have never built electric railways, just compare ur sgr to our mgr because they are the same.
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Ukweli na usemwe SGR Tanzania ujenzi wake uko taratibu mno ata kama ni ya kisasa sio kwa speed hiyo ya ujenzi. Kumbukeni na sisi tu nataka kuona ukikamilika tuanze kuutumia. Huo ni ukweli
 
Massa said:
Ukweli na usemwe SGR Tanzania ujenzi wake uko taratibu mno ata kama ni ya kisasa sio kwa speed hiyo ya ujenzi. Kumbukeni na sisi tu nataka kuona ukikamilika tuanze kuutumia. Huo ni ukweli
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Aisee hujaona mvua zilivyo athiri huu mradi, kuna rafiki yangu ni mhandisi kwenye huu mradi yaan kile kipindi cha mvua walikuwa wanakaa hadi wiki kazi imesimama, Mvua ikinyesha mara moja basi wanakaa wiki nzima.

Mvua zilianza toka october mwaka jana hadi May mwaka huu, ndo maana hadi serikali wanalalamikia mvua kubwa zimeharibu miundo mbinu.

Na ubaya wa reli unaweza kuona Dar ni mvua kidogo lakini kutokea pwani hadi morogoro ilifunguka kichizi maana reli ina cover span kubwa tofauti na barabara, mbali na hapo pia madaraja na vivuko vya reli zinategemea deep foundations kama mvua inanyesha ina maana zile foundations zote zinageuka visima na uwezi kujenga chchte
 
The best 007 said:
Cku nyngne mcpolewa chang'aa huwa mnaongea point sn, btw umeeleweka mkuu, naona cku hz mna adabu kdg kwa Tz [emoji122][emoji122]
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Hakuna lolote limegeuka kutoka kwa wakenya hapa JF, labda ni wewe ndo finally umeanza kuelewa wakenya
 
Simon said:
la sivyo kwenda mbele hawata bajetiwa hela zengine hadi wamalize pending bills zote..
Duniani hakuna kitu cha upuuzi kama huu. Wizara haiwezi kukosa hela kisa haijaclear bills za reli or other things like water, electricity or whatever! Hayo ni maneno tu hayana mbele wala nyuma!

simple tu, mishahara nayo si sehem ya budget za wizara? now think again about what you have written!
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My friend, Kabla bajeti isomwe hua kunakua na vikao vya bunge ambavyo kila department na wizara huenda kujibu maswali na kujitetea kwanini wanafaa waongezwe hela ...nk

Kenya Railways ni parastatal kama vile kampuni ya rivertex, New Kenya Co-operative Creameries ( KCC), au hata Kenya Airways (Although KQ ni semi autonomous kwasababu ya private equity) ..... Kampuni kama Mumias sugar ama Uchumi super markets ni za serekali chini ya wizara flani kama viwanda na zishawahi kunyimwa hela na serekali hadi watimize matakwa flani...

Pia kuna wakati flani baada ya kenyatta kuingia muhula wa pila pale baaada ya jaji mkuu kutupilia uchaguzi wa rais kando, Bajeti yao ilipunguzwa na serekali kupitia wabunge wa jubelee ambao ndo majority... baadae ndo iliongezwa baada ya watu wengi kulalamika kwamba ita affect vita dhidi ya rushwa.

Pia kuna wakati flani EACC ambayo ndo bodi inayochunguza rushwa kenya, chini ya uongozi wa prof. PLO Lumumba ilianza kuchunguza wabunge na hela zao za matumizi, ikaamuru wabunge watatu mashuhuri wakamatwe kwa tuhuma za rushwa bungeni...... Kilichofwata baadae ni EACC ilipunguziwa bajeti yake na wabunge hadi ikawa imefilisika na haina uwezo wa kuchunguza lolote, ladba watumie mishahara yao kufanya uchunguzi.

Kwa mfano sahii Kenya Railways ilipewa $180m ya SGR, Wakati Lamu port project imepewa $50m...... Project hizo mbili ziko chini ya wizara ya uchukuzi.... meneja wa KRA alifika bungeni na kutetea kwanini wanataka $200m na wakapewa $180m baada ya kujitetea vizuri, na CEO wa lapseet pia alifika hapo bungeni na akasema wanahitaji $150m hadi june 2021..... Lakini kwa bajeti wakapewa $50m pekee nawakaambiwa hio nyengine baadae... Next time kama Kenya Railways itakua haijalipa pending bills watapewa tu pesa za recurrent expenditure walipe mshahara lakini wakiitisha sijui pesa za project yoyote au maintenance wanaweza kunyimwa na waambiwe wachukue revenue yao ndo watumie kwa project.....
 
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$1.2 Million For Ethiopia-Sudan Railway Study By The AfDB.
10th June 2020 Godfrey Ivudria0 Comments
The two-year, comprehensive feasibility study will assess the proposed project’s technical, economic, environmental and social viability
ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast, June 9, 2020/ — The African Development Bank’s Board of Directors has approved a $1.2 million grant to Ethiopia’s government to finance a feasibility study for construction of a standard-gauge railway (SGR) link between Ethiopia and neighbouring Sudan.

The grant, from the African Development Fund, the Bank Group’s concessional-rate lending arm, would cover 35% of the total estimated $3.4 million cost of the study. The remaining funding will be provided by the NEPAD Infrastructure Project Preparation Facility (NEPAD-IPPF) in the form of a $2-million grant, and by a contribution of $100,000 each from the two countries involved. The financing was approved in January.

The two-year, comprehensive feasibility study will assess the proposed project’s technical, economic, environmental and social viability, as well as alternative financing arrangements, including a public-private partnership (PPP).

The railway line will link Addis Ababa in Ethiopia to Khartoum in Sudan, with an extension to Port Sudan on the Red Sea. The route, agreed by both governments, stretches 1,522 kilometres between Addis Ababa and Port Sudan.

According to the document presented to directors of the African Development Fund, the absence of a regional arterial route linking Ethiopia, Sudan and other countries in the Horn of Africa is a brake on trade, development and regional integration. The movement of goods and people between Sudan and Ethiopia often requires the use of several modes of transport, which increases costs and lengthens journey times.

The feasibility study’s findings will be keenly awaited because its implementation would benefit a large proportion of Ethiopia’s 110 million people and 43 million inhabitants of Sudan, as well as populations in the wider region.

The proposed project is aligned with the Bank’s Country Strategy Paper 2016-2020 for Ethiopia. It is also consistent with the long-term development goals of the Sudanese Government, as set out in its national 25-year strategy (2007-2031). It also accords with the Bank’s Ten-Year Strategy 2013-2022 and the operational priority of infrastructure development. The proposed project also would satisfy four of the Bank’s High 5 strategic priorities: Integrate Africa, Feed Africa, Industrialize Africa, and Improve the Quality of Life for the People of Africa.


$1.2 million for Ethiopia-Sudan railway study by the AfDB. - East African Business Week
 
Geza Ulole said:
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$1.2 Million For Ethiopia-Sudan Railway Study By The AfDB.
10th June 2020 Godfrey Ivudria0 Comments
The two-year, comprehensive feasibility study will assess the proposed project’s technical, economic, environmental and social viability
ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast, June 9, 2020/ — The African Development Bank’s Board of Directors has approved a $1.2 million grant to Ethiopia’s government to finance a feasibility study for construction of a standard-gauge railway (SGR) link between Ethiopia and neighbouring Sudan.

The grant, from the African Development Fund, the Bank Group’s concessional-rate lending arm, would cover 35% of the total estimated $3.4 million cost of the study. The remaining funding will be provided by the NEPAD Infrastructure Project Preparation Facility (NEPAD-IPPF) in the form of a $2-million grant, and by a contribution of $100,000 each from the two countries involved. The financing was approved in January.

The two-year, comprehensive feasibility study will assess the proposed project’s technical, economic, environmental and social viability, as well as alternative financing arrangements, including a public-private partnership (PPP).

The railway line will link Addis Ababa in Ethiopia to Khartoum in Sudan, with an extension to Port Sudan on the Red Sea. The route, agreed by both governments, stretches 1,522 kilometres between Addis Ababa and Port Sudan.

According to the document presented to directors of the African Development Fund, the absence of a regional arterial route linking Ethiopia, Sudan and other countries in the Horn of Africa is a brake on trade, development and regional integration. The movement of goods and people between Sudan and Ethiopia often requires the use of several modes of transport, which increases costs and lengthens journey times.

The feasibility study’s findings will be keenly awaited because its implementation would benefit a large proportion of Ethiopia’s 110 million people and 43 million inhabitants of Sudan, as well as populations in the wider region.

The proposed project is aligned with the Bank’s Country Strategy Paper 2016-2020 for Ethiopia. It is also consistent with the long-term development goals of the Sudanese Government, as set out in its national 25-year strategy (2007-2031). It also accords with the Bank’s Ten-Year Strategy 2013-2022 and the operational priority of infrastructure development. The proposed project also would satisfy four of the Bank’s High 5 strategic priorities: Integrate Africa, Feed Africa, Industrialize Africa, and Improve the Quality of Life for the People of Africa.


$1.2 million for Ethiopia-Sudan railway study by the AfDB. - East African Business Week
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Doooh...this is very bad for kenya
 
The best 007 said:
Do not compare the time of completion btn ur diesel sgr and Tz electric sgr, u have never built electric railways, just compare ur sgr to our mgr because they are the same.
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Hahahaa!!hakuna reli ya umeme jomba, tanzania inajenga reli wala haijengi treni..
 
babayao255 said:
Jibu zuri sana hili,

Anajaribu kucompare Bombardier talent 3 na mitungi ya changaa [emoji23]
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Naona mnapumbaza tu humu[emoji1787][emoji1787]
Yani siku hizi kuna reli ambazo hutumia umeme[emoji1787][emoji1787]
 
EZZ CHEZZ said:
Duh! Huyu mkali kwa jinsi alivyojaa gesi miradi yetu ikikamilika si atalipuka kabisa. Yaani come 2025 SGR ya kati imekamilika, gas pipelines kwenda UG na huko kwao zimekamilika, miradi yote ya umeme iliyotajwa kwenye bajeti ya mwaka huu imekamilika (mingi inakamilika 2023), bro Magu kafufua refinery ya kigamboni, na ... mambo mengine kibao. Watu kama hawa nyuso zao zitainamishwa chini.
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Kabisa, ndio manake duniani kote nynyi tu ndio mna miradi[emoji122][emoji122]
 
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