Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

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FACT
Tanzania:
sgr phase 1 (200 km) is incomplete three years later and late by a whole year(Has been at 60%-70% since last year june). No trains have been procured. The companies supplying materials to the contractor are going bankrupt.
GOT is now going to look for sgr financing(Commercial loan) from standard chartered bank and a consortium of other banks, excuse given for this massive delay is heavy rains from last year .The population actually bought this line of reasoning (In Kenya this baloney would be called out by the public).
Kenya:
Phase 1 (485 km) took three years to complete(on time) with Nairobi ICD expanded and upgraded. Phase 2A (125 km) completed on time and fully functional with Naivasha ICD constructed from scratch.14,000 trains in 1000 days since launch in 2017 with no delay, no accidents.

Carlsberg putting up a Kes 6 Billion factory in Naivasha special economic zone to take advantage of sgr and icd to export to the african market.50 other multinationals have booked space at naivasha special economic zone.

Mombasa special economic zone construction on track phase 1 to be completed in 2022 with Toyota as anchor tenant. 72 Japanese companies have expressed desire to put up shop in the special economic zone.

Planned Kisumu special economic zone will take raw materials from neighboring countries and add value to them then export to Africa.

Conclusion: Kenya is more strategic not just by building the sgr on time and on budget but also by putting up supporting industries in the special economic zones that will take advantage of the sgr. Carlsberg will export it's flagship brand from Naivasha to the rest of africa using the sgr to get to Mombasa and to get imports easily.
Toyota will use the sgr to transport vehicles from dongo kundu special economic zone to the hinterland for export to Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and mombasa port for export to the rest of africa.
Kenya is targeting to use the sgr to revamp and turbo charge manufacturing activity with the sgr at the centre of all operations not just to transport imports and transit goods to neighbors.

Duh, umeamua kutolea watu jicho... Shida ni kwamba unaongea na mazombie, yatapita sikio moja na yatoke na sikio jengine

 

[Kafrican]

Very good answer, you can't compare time to complete construction of a technological inferior rail like the one the Chinese built for Kenya with the more technological advanced one been build in Tanzania.

... "Apples vs. Tomatoes" ... no no no way🙂

Do not compare the time of completion btn ur diesel sgr and Tz electric sgr, u have never built electric railways, just compare ur sgr to our mgr because they are the same.

Hizi ni visingizio vya wajinga, hata kama Kenya ingekua haijajenga reli, hili swala bado lingekua relevant... Sio wakenya ndo waliamka siku moja na wakaamua reli ya 200km ya Tanzania inafaa kujengwa kwa miaka miwili...... Mwenye aliepewa kandarasi ndo alisema hivyo! Alisema ataijenga reli kwa muda flani na baada ya huo muda reli itakua imekamilika inafanya kazi, muda ulipofika karibu akasongeza miezi, miezi iivyosonga akapeleka completion date mbele zaidi hadi nadhani amepitisha mwaka mzima sasa..... Kisa eti mvua, kwani kwa feasibility study hawakupima mvua ya Tanzania na ku incoporate hio mvua kwa timeline ya ujenzi?
Hata kama SGR ya Tanzania ingkua inajengwa kwa kutumia nuclear power plant, pesa zikishatolewa na kupewa kampuni inayojenga, kama inafaa wamalize baada ya miaka mitatu basi ni iwe hivyo, lakini miaka mitatu ikifika na wawe hawajamaliza wasianze kutoa sababu za kitoto kama eti hoo, mvua ilinyesha, Mwezi wa ramadhan ulionekana, sijui engineer alipatwa na mimba..... hizo ndo zile tunaziita blah blah blah

 

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Do not compare the time of completion btn ur diesel sgr and Tz electric sgr, u have never built electric railways, just compare ur sgr to our mgr because they are the same.

Punguza Ujinga, Arema standard ya Tanzania ni sawa na Chinese class 2 ya ethiopia. Angalia ethiopia, ujue kule reli yenu ambayo bado ni ndoto itakapoelekea.
Mumeshindwa na sgr sasa muko busy na kazi ya kuchomelea kwa MGR.

 

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Nikiongelea kuhusu watu ambao hua wanaongea kishabiki hua naongelea mambo kama haya, huu hapa sasa ndo mfano mzuri kabisa, Ukifwata maono ya watu kama hawa ndo utajikuta unachukia vitu vingi kumbe kisa unakula propaganda za kiushabiki...


Reli ya Senegal ni only 55km, tena ni reli ya Abiria pekee, haibebi mizigo..... Reli yenyewe imejengwa kwa garama ya $500m

Thus, the express service will become the Senegalese first airport rail link. The total project costs 400 million Euros.
The express trains will cover the entire line in 2020 with a maximum speed of 160 kilometres per hour. They will stop at 14 stations and will ride the 55-kilometre route in 45 minutes. The estimated daily ridership is 115,000 passengers.
Senegal launches first express train


$500 Million / 55km = $9 Million per KM kwa reli ya kubeba abiria pekee. Tena ukifwatilia vizuri sio 55km zote zimejengwa from scratch, kuna sehemu karibu 10km wali modify reli ya zamani ndo wakaungansha na reli mpya.... Kwahivyo ku compare heavy rail ya Kenya ambayo inabeba tani zaidi ya 22Million kwa mwaka na light rail ndogo ya Senegal amabyo pesa nyingi imeenda kununua vichwa na ni reli ya abiria pekee ni upuzi

NI sawa na ku compare light rail ya Ethioia na SGR ya Kenya

Mbona hao wa Ethiopia wenyewe hawakueka SGR yao iwe kama hii light rail yao?





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Alafu kuhusu SGR ya Ethiopia, yao inabeba 10Million tonnes pekee, ukilinganisha na ya Kenya ya 22Million, hapo tayari inatosha kumaliza hio comparizon, tena sehemu kubwa imejengewa chini chini kama hio yenu, kwahivyo kukiwa na mafuriko reli inafunikwa na maji, mbali na hapo kuna changamoto tele hata ukifika kwa forum yao kule SSC mara kwa mara unakuta wanasema hata afadhali wangejenga reli kama ya Kenya !

 

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Nikiongelea kuhusu watu ambao hua wanaongea kishabiki hua naongelea mambo kama haya, huu hapa sasa ndo mfano mzuri kabisa, Ukifwata maono ya watu kama hawa ndo utajikuta unachukia vitu vingi kumbe kisa unakula propaganda za kiushabiki...


Reli ya Senegal ni only 55km, tena ni reli ya Abiria pekee, haibebi mizigo..... Reli yenyewe imejengwa kwa garama ya $500m

Thus, the express service will become the Senegalese first airport rail link. The total project costs 400 million Euros.
The express trains will cover the entire line in 2020 with a maximum speed of 160 kilometres per hour. They will stop at 14 stations and will ride the 55-kilometre route in 45 minutes. The estimated daily ridership is 115,000 passengers.
Senegal launches first express train


$500 Million / 55km = $9 Million per KM kwa reli ya kubeba abiria pekee. Tena ukifwatilia vizuri sio 55km zote zimejengwa from scratch, kuna sehemu karibu 10km wali modify reli ya zamani ndo wakaungansha na reli mpya.... Kwahivyo ku compare heavy rail ya Kenya ambayo inabeba tani zaidi ya 22Million kwa mwaka na light rail ndogo ya Senegal amabyo pesa nyingi imeenda kununua vichwa na ni reli ya abiria pekee ni upuzi

NI sawa na ku compare light rail ya Ethioia na SGR ya Kenya

Mbona hao wa Ethiopia wenyewe hawakueka SGR yao iwe kama hii light rail yao?





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Alafu kuhusu SGR ya Ethiopia, yao inabeba 10Million tonnes pekee, ukilinganisha na ya Kenya ya 22Million, hapo tayari inatosha kumaliza hio comparizon, tena sehemu kubwa imejengewa chini chini kama hio yenu, kwahivyo kukiwa na mafuriko reli inafunikwa na maji, mbali na hapo kuna changamoto tele hata ukifika kwa forum yao kule SSC mara kwa mara unakuta wanasema hata afadhali wangejenga reli kama ya Kenya !

Nadhani hiyo reli ya Senegal ni double track kwa hiyo length yake itakuwa km 110.

 

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Nadhani hiyo reli ya Senegal ni double track kwa hiyo length yake itakuwa km 110.

Siku zote hesabu za cost ya reli zinahesabiwa kutumia route length na wala sio length of track........ manake kama ni kutumia track length basi itabidi uongeze 137km kwa hesabu za rei ya Kenya hadi iwe 609km badala ya ile 472km ambayo hutumika kupata hesabu ya cost per km.


NA kama unataka kuwa technical zaidi ujenzi wa reli, signaling pekee uligharimu $2.657 Billion pekee.... Hizo hela zengine zilitumika kwa vitu vyengine.... Kwa mfano ukilinganisha na Tanzania, garama ya ujenzi haijachanganya garama zote (e.g garama ya treni na mabehewa iko kando)

 

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Ethiopia eyes SGR route to port of Sudan
TUESDAY JUNE 16 2020

The Ethiopia-Sudan SGR project is being considered despite Addis struggling to repay for the Ethiopia- Djibouti railway. PHOTO | AFP

In Summary

• Despite struggling to repay Chinese loans for the $4.5 billion Ethiopia-Djibouti railway, the country’s new rail project is intended to open a new trade route through the Port of Sudan.

By NJIRAINI MUCHIRA
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Ethiopia unveiled plans last week to carry out a $3.4 million feasibility study for a new standard gauge railway project that would link Addis Ababa with Khartoum, Sudan.

The African Development Bank (AfDB) is providing a $1.2 million grant for the study, while the NEPAD Infrastructure Project Preparation Facility will provide the remaining funds in the form of a $2 million grant and a $200,000 contribution from Ethiopia and Sudan.

Despite struggling to repay Chinese loans for the $4.5 billion Ethiopia-Djibouti railway — which is currently hit by recurring power outages and technical problems — the country’s new rail project is intended to open a new trade route through the Port of Sudan.

The study to be undertaken in 24 months, is designed to assess the technical, economic, environmental and social viability of the proposed project and will also explore financing options such as a public-private partnership (PPP).

"The proposed Ethiopia-Sudan SGR aims to deepen regional integration through improved transport infrastructure that will increase trade through efficient transport between the two countries," said an AfDB statement.

It added that the project will improve the transport system serving Sudan and Ethiopia and other countries in the Horn of Africa region, including Kenya and South Sudan.

According to the AfDB statement, the SGR project will run along the Addis Ababa, Awash-Kombolcha-Weldiya, Wereta-Gonder-Metema-Galabat-Gadarif-Kassala-Haiya route to Port of Sudan, a distance of 1,522 kilometres.

The proposed project is linked to the planned development of special economic zones in the border regions of the two countries. The zones are intended to enhance production of local goods, industrialisation and agro-processing thereby increasing existing trade between the two neighbours.

"Development of this railway line is fundamental to enhancing trade and regional connectivity not only within the north-eastern part of the continent but also to the central African states of Chad and the Central Africa Republic," said AfDB.

Ethiopia, which ranks among the fastest growing economies, currently relies on the Djibouti port for about 98 per cent of its international trade.

Ethiopia eyes SGR route to port of Sudan

 

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Isaka-Dodoma

Unampa wivu jirani baada ya kufunga mpaka sasa sijui atafunga nini maana nia ni ku-sabotage revenue ya Tanzania ili mega projects zikwame! Hajui hata yeye anaathirika!

 

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China backtracks on standard gauge railway funding
News in Print 01 Mar 2020

In an unusual step, it has been revealed that the Export-Import Bank of China (Exim Bank) has rejected a loan application to extend Kenya’s new standard gauge railway (SGR) into Uganda.

China backtracks on standard gauge railway funding