Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Kafrican said:
Mbona matusi tena, tulia utolewe ushamba!



View attachment 1917919


View attachment 1917925




View attachment 1917926




Some receiving and Departing tracks along passenger stations are of Class II standards

View attachment 1917935





So as you can see, hakuna mahali wametaja lolote kuhusu Diesel au Electric in the same paragraph as Class specification... Whenever they mention class I or II, they are talking things to do with subgrade material and specifications, Width and Height of slope, embarkment protection, safety specification for both civilians and wildlife etc..
Click to expand...
source ya hii report? Nimekuambia toka China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC) !
 
Kafrican said:
[emoji1787] [emoji1787] There is NO electrical standard "of AREMA classification"
AREMA standard ni equivalent na Chinese Class II standards. Basically AREMA standard is equivalent to Tazara railway or the Djibouti- Ethiopia SGR (which is electric BTW)

Na BTW Kila mwenye technolojia anaipatia jina, so for you to claim Chinese standards as non-existent when it is the Chinese themselves who came up with the classification (you know that they have the largest rail network in the world - built within the last 30 years) ... Kwa mfano do you know how they classify bridges? It goes something like :
  • Major bridge
  • Supa bridge
  • Supa Major Bridge
  • Supa Major Major bridge.
  • Supa Supa Major bridge

You can see how the bridge naming standard starts to get ridiculous the higher you go, the Americans have their own naming standard and the Brits, EU have their own naming system... You cannot go claiming the Chinese one is non-existent just because you don't like how they name them.... So Chinese class I is Chinese Class I whether you like it or not... Na kama haujui tofauti ya AREMA na Chinese Class I , all you have to do is ask... Wacha kujiaibisha kwa kuongeza mambo ya diesel vs electric kwenye rail standards.


For you to know how ridiculous your argument is, think of roads and how there are different classifications of road standards... Do the civil engineers care whether the engines of the trucks, saloon, vans using the highway are electric, petrol or diesel powered? No they don't! It doesn't even cross their mind... Kama Barbara ni ya mjini watajenga na stardards tofauti, kama Barbara ni ya mashambani watajenga na stardards tofauti .... Kama majority ya magari yatatumia petroli basi watajenga petrol station kadhaa along the road, na kama majority ni electric vehicle basi wataweka charging stations along the road, lakini standard ya barabara itakua ni ileile .... Sawa sawa na vile SGR ya Kenya inaweza kuekwa umeme na treni ziwe electric, hakuna lolote watakalobomoa kwenye reli renyewe! Wataongezea tu electric poles na overhead power lines, but standard iliotumika kujenga railroad itabaki ileile ya Chinese Class I
Click to expand...
Mda mwingine usijifany unajua kumbe pimbi tu...sasa how can you relate roads with rail as an example to justify your statement? Only a fool can do that....
 
Kafrican said:
Reli zote mbili zimejengwa na mchina kama flagship projects, hapo ndo mwisho wa similarities zinaisha.... i.e. Reli ya Tazara ni reli ya 7m tonnes (Kama sijakosea), Reli ya Kenya SGR ni reli ya 22m tonnes!!! Worlds apart!

And when they talk about classification standards, these are some of the parameters that they use to differentiate class I and class II
View attachment 1917880

So for class I, they will use different mixture of Subgrade surface below the railway
The slopes and Embankment will have protection.
The fill material will be different, the embankment will be different height and with and material...etc


While for class II railway, they use same measurements as the AREMA standards!




__________________________

Alafu unaona mijitu inakuja na arguments za kuchekesha kama Electrical SGR vs Diesel Class I kana kwamba electric mortor VS Diesel Engine ndo rail standard!
Click to expand...
Ata hii 7m am 101% sure haijawahi fikisha
Ata 3.5m
 
Justinr said:
Mda mwingine usijifany unajua kumbe pimbi tu...sasa how can you relate roads with rail as an example to justify your statement? Only a fool can do that....
Click to expand...
You were given a very big head with zero brain inside it. Rail is like a road, there's no diesel or electric rails or road as have you been yapping here.
 
Justinr said:
Mda mwingine usijifany unajua kumbe pimbi tu...sasa how can you relate roads with rail as an example to justify your statement? Only a fool can do that....
Click to expand...
Kwa kifupi hauna uwezo wa kufikiria, nyamaza kama hauna la kuchangia pita kimya kimya
 
BlietzKrieg said:
Ata hii 7m am 101% sure haijawahi fikisha
Ata 3.5m
Click to expand...
Oh, wait, original design capacity ya Tazara ni 5 Million tonnes just like the MGR, haijawahi kufikisha hio capacity, MGR yetu ya 1901 ilikua inabeba mizigo mingi kuliko Tazara yao back in 2010

With a designed capacity of five (5) million tonnes of freight per annum, TAZARA has been handling traffic for the Southern African Development Community (SADC) as well as the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA)

Freight Services | TAZARA

We operate two types of freight trains i.e. through traffic and local traffic trains. Through traffic trains convey cargo originating from Dar es Salaam in Tanzania to New Kapiri Mposhi in Zambia and vice versa. Local traffic trains convey intermediate cargo and may or may not cross the border...
www.tazarasite.com www.tazarasite.com
 
And for those who are open minded, I will leave this here: ... I.e The main difference between AREMA and Chinese Standards

With Chinese Standard, the minimum height for an embarkment is 2.5 meters high compared to AREMA which is 0.64 meters high. In addition, And for Chinese Standard, there MUST be slop protection on the embankment whereas in AREMA it is not a must.


This was a feasibility study done by a German company on behalf of Uganda Government....



1630419186871.png




1630419432041.png
 
Teargas said:
You were given a very big head with zero brain inside it. Rail is like a road, there's no diesel or electric rails or road as have you been yapping here.
Click to expand...
SGR is not just a single phenomenon but a system, so for that reason there are two types of SGR; diesel SGR as well as electrical SGR kama utaki kunya boga [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
 
And Incase you are wondering about the difference between Class I and Class II Chinese Standards... Again, Uganda Ministry has some side by side comparison between Ethiopia SGR which is Class II and Uganda SGR wich will be class 1...

I have Highlighted where the major Differences come in between Class I and Class II specification


Class I VS CLass II.jpg
 
The best 007 said:
SGR is not just a single phenomenon but a system, so for that reason there are two types of SGR; diesel SGR as well as electrical SGR kama utaki kunya boga [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
Click to expand...
Nilijua tu lazima ungekuja hapa kumwaga ujinga wako😂😂. Railway is always about the line, hizo zako ni make up tu. It's what is using the line ndio inaezakuwa powered by either electric, diesel or both, or even steam and coal. You have to understand that railway is immobile, just like road.
 
Kafrican said:
And Incase you are wondering about the difference between Class I and Class II Chinese Standards... Again, Uganda Ministry has some side by side comparison between Ethiopia SGR which is Class II and Uganda SGR wich will be class 1...

I have Highlighted where the major Differences come in between Class I and Class II specification


View attachment 1918300
Click to expand...
This should be information from a constructor and not someone in Dandora!
 




​


Tabora - Kigoma SGR project in pipeline

Tabora - Kigoma SGR project in pipeline​

THE government has hired an engineering consultancy firm—COWI Tanzania, to conduct an architect design and feasibility study for construction of the 411 kilometres section of the Standard Gauge Railway from Tabora to Kigoma Regions.

Works and Transport Deputy Minister, Mwita Waitara told legislators that the consultant firm is expected to complete the task this month.
The standard gauge railway is intended to replace the old metre-gauge railway system and reduce road congestion.

He was responding to a question posed by Buhigwe Member of Parliament Kaveru Felix (CCM), who wanted to know when the government will start to construct the Tabora-Kigoma SGR section.

According to Waitara, the government continues to search for funds from different sources, including soft loans for implementation of development projects including the entire proposed SGR project and that from Tabora to Kigoma, measuring 411 kms and the Kaliua-Mpanda-Karema with 316.7 kms.

He said the ministry through the Tanzania Railway Cooperation (TRC) continues to implement the SGR project from Dar es Salaam to Mwanza measuring 1,219 kms.

He said due to high expenses of the project, the government resolved to implement the standard gauge railway project in five phases which are the 300 kms section from Dar es Salaam – Morogoro, Morogoro-Makutupora (422 kms), Makutupora-Tabora (368 kms), Tabora-Isaka (165 kms) and the Isaka-Mwanza section with 341 kms.

Waitara told the House that construction of the Dar es Salaam-Morogoro, Morogoro-Makutupora and Mwanza-Isaka is on-going, adding the government is finalizing processes for procurement of construction materials for implementation of the SGR sections—Makutupora-Tabora (368 kilometers) and Tabora-Isaka (165 kilometrer).

In June this year, the government allocated 513million US dollars (about 1.18tri/-) for construction of the SGR in the 2021/2022 financial year.

Prime Minister Kassim Majaliwa said in March this year that construction of the second phase of SGR from Morogoro region to Makutupora in Dodoma region covering 426km was on track and has reached 51 per cent.

In mid-June, President Samia Suluhu Hassan laid a foundation stone for the construction of the fifth lot of the SGR at Misungwi in Mwanza Region.

 
Kafrican said:
Kwa kifupi hauna uwezo wa kufikiria, nyamaza kama hauna la kuchangia pita kimya kimya
Click to expand...
Unaendelea kuandika mafiii...ivi nikulize kitu we kizuu unaweza endesha train ya umem apo kweny hiyo sgr yenu ? Kama haiwezekani iwaje utumie mfano mafii kama huo wa magari kwenye rail way?....
 
Teargas said:
You were given a very big head with zero brain inside it. Rail is like a road, there's no diesel or electric rails or road as have you been yapping here.
Click to expand...
Jinga lingine, unaweza chukua train ya umeme ukaiendesha api kunya sahii? Kama haiwezekani basi ujue unatumia mafii kifikiria kama mwenzio...na wacheni ujinga wa kulinganisha roads na rail
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Our Community

Regional Communities

Back
Top Bottom
Menu
Forums
New posts
Log in
Register