Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

[emoji1787] [emoji1787] There is NO electrical standard "of AREMA classification"
AREMA standard ni equivalent na Chinese Class II standards. Basically AREMA standard is equivalent to Tazara railway or the Djibouti- Ethiopia SGR (which is electric BTW)

Na BTW Kila mwenye technolojia anaipatia jina, so for you to claim Chinese standards as non-existent when it is the Chinese themselves who came up with the classification (you know that they have the largest rail network in the world - built within the last 30 years) ... Kwa mfano do you know how they classify bridges? It goes something like :
  • Major bridge
  • Supa bridge
  • Supa Major Bridge
  • Supa Major Major bridge.
  • Supa Supa Major bridge

You can see how the bridge naming standard starts to get ridiculous the higher you go, the Americans have their own naming standard and the Brits, EU have their own naming system... You cannot go claiming the Chinese one is non-existent just because you don't like how they name them.... So Chinese class I is Chinese Class I whether you like it or not... Na kama haujui tofauti ya AREMA na Chinese Class I , all you have to do is ask... Wacha kujiaibisha kwa kuongeza mambo ya diesel vs electric kwenye rail standards.


For you to know how ridiculous your argument is, think of roads and how there are different classifications of road standards... Do the civil engineers care whether the engines of the trucks, saloon, vans using the highway are electric, petrol or diesel powered? No they don't! It doesn't even cross their mind... Kama Barbara ni ya mjini watajenga na stardards tofauti, kama Barbara ni ya mashambani watajenga na stardards tofauti .... Kama majority ya magari yatatumia petroli basi watajenga petrol station kadhaa along the road, na kama majority ni electric vehicle basi wataweka charging stations along the road, lakini standard ya barabara itakua ni ileile .... Sawa sawa na vile SGR ya Kenya inaweza kuekwa umeme na treni ziwe electric, hakuna lolote watakalobomoa kwenye reli renyewe! Wataongezea tu electric poles na overhead power lines, but standard iliotumika kujenga railroad itabaki ileile ya Chinese Class I
Kumbe hamnaga mkenya asie na arrogance plus much know . Sawa unawekaje nguzo za stima kwenye daraja jembamba linalopita kwenye ile mbunga Nairobi. Maintenance gharama kuliko starting from scratch
 
Kumbe hamnaga mkenya asie na arrogance plus much know . Sawa unawekaje nguzo za stima kwenye daraja jembamba linalopita kwenye ile mbunga Nairobi. Maintenance gharama kuliko starting from scratch
Najua watanzania hua mnapenda kusema wakenya tuna ujeuri, sijui tunapenda kujigamba... tuko arrogant........ Its not arrogant when you are telling the truth.. Kuongea fact sio kujigamba.. Its just fact!!!

Kwenye madaraja yote ya Kenya kuna sehemu flani imetengewa nguzo za stima...

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Haya hapa madaraja ya CHina ambayo yako na nguzo za stima. Kama unavyoona, yanapitia sehemu hio hio

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Hii hapa ni picha ya flat wagon ya Kenya ilipokua inasafirishwa kutoka kwa kiwanda hadi kwa port huko China, Ukiangalia hapo nyuma unaona daraja ambalo linafanan kabisa na lile la Kenya, tofauti ni kwamba hilo liko na nguzo za stima

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Kwahivyo kama nilivyosema hapo awali, Hakuna sehemu ambayo watabomoa wakiamua kuswitch from Diesel to electric powered locomotive, reli itabaki ile ile, standard itabaki vile vile, kitakachogeuka tu ni treni,... sio reli.
 
Najua watanzania hua mnapenda kusema wakenya tuna ujeuri, sijui tunapenda kujigamba... tuko arrogant........ Its not arrogant when you are telling the truth.. Kuongea fact sio kujigamba.. Its just fact!!!

Kwenye madaraja yote ya Kenya kuna sehemu flani imetengewa nguzo za stima...

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Haya hapa madaraja ya CHina ambayo yako na nguzo za stima. Kama unavyoona, yanapitia sehemu hio hio

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Hii hapa ni picha ya flat wagon ya Kenya ilipokua inasafirishwa kutoka kwa kiwanda hadi kwa port huko China, Ukiangalia hapo nyuma unaona daraja ambalo linafanan kabisa na lile la Kenya, tofauti ni kwamba hilo liko na nguzo za stima

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Kwahivyo kama nilivyosema hapo awali, Hakuna sehemu ambayo watabomoa wakiamua kuswitch from Diesel to electric powered locomotive, reli itabaki ile ile, standard itabaki vile vile, kitakachogeuka tu ni treni,... sio reli.
after SGR kenya realized her inferiority and in the name of trying to get even, this was in 2018 signed, three years down the line no single pole has been erected!


Chinese firm lends Kenya Sh25bn to electrify SGR​

TUESDAY FEBRUARY 06 2018
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Kenya Railways Corporation MD Atanas Maina (left) and Ketraco managing director Fernandes Barasa. PHOTOS | FILE | NMG

Kenya has signed a $240 million (Sh24.4 billion) loan to electrify the standard gauge railway (SGR) in a move that is expected to push it up to scale with rival lines being built in neighbouring Tanzania and Ethiopia.

Money for the upgrade, which has been sourced from a Chinese company, is being funnelled through the Kenya Electricity Transmission Company Limited (Ketraco).

Ketraco says in an opinion piece published elsewhere in this newspaper that it signed the financing deal with China Electric Power Equipment and Technology Company Limited (CET), a Chinese government-owned multinational on January 25, paving the way for work to begin.

“Ketraco signed a contract worth $240 million with China Electric Power Equipment and Technology Company Limited (CET) on January 25, 2018,” the parastatal’s managing director Fernandes Barasa says in the opinion piece.

READ: Why SGR should ditch diesel for electric trains

Higher costs

The deal is expected to further raise the cost of building the modern railway, which is already above the global average.

The announcement comes days after Kenya Railways managing director Atanas Maina said the government does not have the resources to transform the railway from diesel to electricity.

Mr Maina yesterday, however, walked back his earlier statements, saying his doubts were related to high-speed electric trains.

“We have not dropped plans for the electrification of the SGR line. What I was referring to is the country’s inability to operate high speed railway like the ones we have in developed nations such as China, Germany and UK,” Mr Maina said.

Ketraco says it will use the money to build 14 substations between Mombasa and Nairobi, adding that the main goal of the project is to have the railway run on clean energy and further reduce transport cost.

The electricity will also spur growth of factories, businesses and urban centres along the railway line, Ketraco added.

“The design of the SGR, initially run by diesel-powered locomotives, allows for addition of a single electric line that will be connected to Ketraco’s 482 kilometre 400kV Mombasa-Nairobi transmission line,” the agency said.

The transmission line, billed as the longest and highest voltage transmission infrastructure in East Africa, has a transfer capacity of 1,500 megawatts (MW) which is 200MW shy of the current national demand of 1,700MW.

'Solves challenges'

Mr Barasa says the transmission line solves the challenges of low voltages, high transmission losses and unreliable supply.

“Its energization therefore debunks as flawed the myth that Kenya does not have a dependable source of electricity, most importantly one that can power the electric train network,” Mr Barasa said.

The surprise change of plan also means Kenya will spend more money to upgrade the second phase of the railway running from Nairobi to Malaba border to electric status.

The government has spent a total of Sh447 billion on the diesel-powered Mombasa-Nairobi 472 kilometre line alone, significantly higher than the cost of Ethiopia’s 750 kilometre electric line, which has been built at a cost of $3.4 billion (Sh346 billion).

Kenyan authorities have argued that Ethiopia’s project is not comparable to Kenya’s, which comes with extra infrastructure to navigate a tougher terrain besides spending large amounts of money to compensate landowners.

He added that he is cognisant of the criticism of the railway’s electrification, including its economic viability. He says the project’s benefits will far outstrip its costs, with a further reduction in transport/travel costs and increased speeds.

He did not specify the new speed the railway will be able to achieve running on electricity. On diesel, it is currently hitting 120 km/h for passenger trains and 80 km/h for freight trains.

The move to electrify the railway comes at a time when it is struggling to fill its freight wagons, with cargo transport seen as the division that will be critical in supporting the mega project that was built on debt.

Fares for passengers will be hiked from April as the railway races to break even. The base fare, for instance, will rise from Sh700 to Sh1,200.

 
Najua watanzania hua mnapenda kusema wakenya tuna ujeuri, sijui tunapenda kujigamba... tuko arrogant........ Its not arrogant when you are telling the truth.. Kuongea fact sio kujigamba.. Its just fact!!!

Kwenye madaraja yote ya Kenya kuna sehemu flani imetengewa nguzo za stima...

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Haya hapa madaraja ya CHina ambayo yako na nguzo za stima. Kama unavyoona, yanapitia sehemu hio hio

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Hii hapa ni picha ya flat wagon ya Kenya ilipokua inasafirishwa kutoka kwa kiwanda hadi kwa port huko China, Ukiangalia hapo nyuma unaona daraja ambalo linafanan kabisa na lile la Kenya, tofauti ni kwamba hilo liko na nguzo za stima

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Kwahivyo kama nilivyosema hapo awali, Hakuna sehemu ambayo watabomoa wakiamua kuswitch from Diesel to electric powered locomotive, reli itabaki ile ile, standard itabaki vile vile, kitakachogeuka tu ni treni,... sio reli.

Hata SRG Kenya's copycat of 1970s TAZARA the first chinese first class in Africa wanazo!
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Najua watanzania hua mnapenda kusema wakenya tuna ujeuri, sijui tunapenda kujigamba... tuko arrogant........ Its not arrogant when you are telling the truth.. Kuongea fact sio kujigamba.. Its just fact!!!

Kwenye madaraja yote ya Kenya kuna sehemu flani imetengewa nguzo za stima...

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Haya hapa madaraja ya CHina ambayo yako na nguzo za stima. Kama unavyoona, yanapitia sehemu hio hio

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Hii hapa ni picha ya flat wagon ya Kenya ilipokua inasafirishwa kutoka kwa kiwanda hadi kwa port huko China, Ukiangalia hapo nyuma unaona daraja ambalo linafanan kabisa na lile la Kenya, tofauti ni kwamba hilo liko na nguzo za stima

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Kwahivyo kama nilivyosema hapo awali, Hakuna sehemu ambayo watabomoa wakiamua kuswitch from Diesel to electric powered locomotive, reli itabaki ile ile, standard itabaki vile vile, kitakachogeuka tu ni treni,... sio reli.
Last time i checked the catenary system between Mombasa and Nairobi was to cost US$ 240 mln !

Get urself acquainted on the whole system!

 
where r catenary systems?
That's something that can be placed whenever we feel like introducing electric locomotives. You speak as if your SGR is some sort of special when it's just an ordinary SGR that cannot even support double stacked carriages.
 
That's something that can be placed whenever we feel like introducing electric locomotives. You speak as if your SGR is some sort of special when it's just an ordinary SGR that cannot even support double stacked carriages.
Na mbona mmeshindwa tangu 2018?
 
Na mbona mmeshindwa tangu 2018?
We are still focused on connecting the entire country with electricity and mind you we are at 70% wakati Tanzania bado iko kwa 37% with only 2.7M customers connected to electricity.
 
We are still focused on connecting the entire country with electricity and mind you we are at 70% wakati Tanzania bado iko kwa 37% with only 2.7M customers connected to electricity.
It does not make sense that country with more than 85% electricity connectivity has only 2.7m customers.
 
We are still focused on connecting the entire country with electricity and mind you we are at 70% wakati Tanzania bado iko kwa 37% with only 2.7M customers connected to electricity.
Tanzania power connection is ahead of Kunyaland! BTW do u realize u will need also to build substations every 50 km and in 2017 the cost was around $240 mln for Mombasa-Nairobi SGR!
 
We are still focused on connecting the entire country with electricity and mind you we are at 70% wakati Tanzania bado iko kwa 37% with only 2.7M customers connected to electricity.
There are about 12000 villages in Tanzania only less than 2000 villages are not connected to electricity so it is not true that Tanzania has only 2.7 m customers connected to electricity.
 
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