Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

yes but at lower capacity! Now the port will be able to hndle post panamax!
Merely increasing capacity does not translate to more cargo.... I mean why are ships with Cargo destined for Seychelles dropping them in Mombasa port to be transported by smaller ships yet Seychelles has berths capable of docking big ships? I mean which one do you think is cheaper for a ship from China - drop cargo destined for north Tanzania in Mombasa and travel straight to Dar or stop at Tanga b4 heading to Dar?
 
Huwezi fanya cost comparison kwani ipo tofauti kwenye..
......terrain.. njia inakopita
....technology itakayotumika
...muda wa ujenzi...
...nk

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Merely increasing capacity does not translate to more cargo.... I mean why are ships with Cargo destined for Seychelles dropping them in Mombasa port to be transported by smaller ships yet Seychelles has berths capable of docking big ships? I mean which one do you think is cheaper for a ship from China - drop cargo destined for north Tanzania in Mombasa and travel straight to Dar or stop at Tanga b4 heading to Dar?
lets say we r wasting our funds to cater for Rwanda n Uganda that want that port badly! Afterall the future is promising...

Rwanda depends on Dar, Tanga ports, says envoy


03Sep 2021
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Rwanda depends on Dar, Tanga ports, says envoy
RWANDA’s Ambassador to Tanzania, Maj Gen Charles Karamba has said his country depends on Dar es Salaam and Tanga ports for both its imports and exports.
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RWANDA’s Ambassador to Tanzania, Maj Gen Charles Karamba.

He made the remarks here yesterday when he visited the Port of Tanga during his one-day official visit.

Karamba also visited the Uganda-Tanzania Pipeline Project at Chongoleani and GBP fuel storage facility.

He said the visit stems from trade agreement between Tanzania and Rwanda recently struck by President Samia Suluhu Hassan and her Rwandan counterpart Paul Kagame.

“In the circumstances I have come here to inspect the progress of the improvement of the infrastructures at the Port of Tanga in the context of the entire port expansion project,” he added.

The envoy said basically he was satisfied with the work going on at the port that reflects good environment for trade operations.

"I’m informed that as of now vessels anchor two kilometres away hence infrastructures have been improved, and is a sign for good economic opportunities between the two countries,” he said.

Representative of Tanzania Ports Authority (TPA) Director General, Eng Karim Mataka said the ongoing revamping of infrastructures at the port will enable the expansion of services within the entire service delivery at low cost.

Eng Karim said as for now they were looking into how to put in place a friendly environment to investors to use water transport at low cost instead of land transport.

He called on business people in Tanzania’s northern regions of Arusha, Kilimanjaro and Manyara to use the Port of Tanga, especially at this time when its infrastructures have been improved.

Tanga District Commissioner Hasim Mgandila said there has been a long time good relation between the two countries hence the visit of the Rwandan envoy was among the signs that the work in improving the economies of the two countries was going on.

Some of the drivers of trucks who transport limestone clinker from Maweni Limestone Ltd to Rwanda said they were pleased with the services in the entire issue of business operations between the two countries.

“In fact, we receive good services even though there are small problems, Tanzania is a safe country for doing business, Sibomana Celestine, a Rwandan national said.”




Kenyan ports lose regional grip as neighbours grow


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Dar es Salaam port [Courtesy]

Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni is always quick to warn neighbours not to dislike Kenya because “she is a pygmy who is an inch taller than her fellow pygmies in East Africa”.

What President Museveni means is that Kenya is a little stronger economically than her neighbours and so they should not be envious over such a trifling.

And indeed, Kenya’s strength is dwindling by the day if the performance of its ports in comparison to its neighbours is anything to go by.

Fresh data from Shippers’ Council of East Africa (SCEA) shows the country is losing cargo business destined to Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi, mainly to the Port of Dar es Salaam.

Goods to Uganda through Mombasa port dropped by four per cent in 2021-22 while those to Rwanda plummeted by 30 per cent.

Mombasa and the Port of Dar es Salaam have for decades battled for the lucrative transit business especially to Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Democratic Republic of Congo.

“It is very clear that cargo to Uganda is passing through another route,” said SCEA Chief Executive Gilbert Langat in an interview. He warned Mombasa to brace for stiff competition.

At the same time, major transport projects coming up in Tanzania, Somalia and Djibouti threaten to eat into Mombasa port’s transit market, and dampen the prospects of Lamu Port.

In Tanzania, a port project fronted by China, Oman and Tanzania in Bagamoyo is taking shape. Once complete, it is expected to eat into Mombasa port’s business.

In the Island of Zanzibar, a new port is also being built by United Arab Emirates, which trade analysts say will threaten Mombasa’s transshipment market.



Meanwhile, a Central Corridor Electric (CCE) Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) is being built by Turkey to link Burundi, Rwanda, Uganda and DRC shippers to Dar es Salaam.

“The (corridor) will link Burundi, Rwanda, DRC and Uganda to the western side of Tanzania. Shippers from those countries will find it an ideal route to use,” said Mr Langat.

The CCE SGR will be powered by electricity from the Grand Dam in the Selous Game Reserve and Songosongo gas.

Construction of a $3 billion (Sh344.5 billion) dam at Rufiji River is on. “In Tanzania, the Port of Mtwara has made Mombasa very unattractive for transshipment business,” said Tom Nyaminde of Tomsea Logistics Ltd.

Mr Nyaminde said the intense lobbying over the Uganda Oil Pipeline was a sign of trade battles ahead between Kenya and Tanzania once transport projects are completed.

On oil imports, a new oil pipeline is being constructed between Hoima in Uganda and Tanga in Tanzania. The Sh572 billion line is expected to be completed before 2025.

In 2016, Tanzania beat Kenya in the battle for the pipeline, which it had planned to link to Lamu Port. But Kenya has announced that it will go it alone and build the pipeline.

In Kenya, the construction of the Sh40 billion offshore Kipevu Oil Terminal in Mombasa, the largest of its kind in Africa, is also 96 per cent complete.

The offshore terminal will be able to load and offload very large sea tankers of up to 200,000 Deadweight tonnage (DWT) carrying all categories of petroleum products including crude oil, white oils and LPG.

Meanwhile, Somalia is also expanding its port of Berbera in Somaliland. The first terminal with a capacity of 500,000 twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs) is about to be completed.

The port is expected to target the Ethiopian market through the Berbera road whose construction is funded by the Abu Dhabi Fund for Development and the UK’s Department of International Development.

At the same time, UK Aid is also funding the construction of the Hargeisa Bypass Road that will link to the modern highway in the Ethiopian side.

This is expected to be a direct, fast and efficient trade route for Ethiopian transit cargo. Kenya’s new port of Lamu is also targeting the Ethiopia market.

But the competition for the lucrative Ethiopian market will not be between Kenya and Somalia alone. Djibouti has also upped its fight for the Ethiopian Market.

A 752-kilometre Ethio-Djibouti railway line seen as a key route for passengers and cargo to and from Ethiopia is currently operational.

Interviews with players in the shipping industry reveal that Djibouti has been able to attract both cargo and military bases because it is located between Somalia, Eritrea, and Yemen.

Djibouti is also located near the Bab el Mandab Strait, which connects the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden; a critical corridor for international shipping.

It is approximately 900 kilometres from Djibouti Port to Addis Ababa compared to 1,279 kilometres from Lamu Port.

This means that Kenya’s Lamu Port will have to compete with Djibouti and Durban in South Africa for the transshipment business.

Kenya Ports Authority has offered generous promotional tariffs to shipping lines and shippers keen to use Lamu Port.

Traders in Mombasa, however, say Mombasa and Lamu can still compete and get the business if the government puts in place systems to bolster efficiency.

Mombasa has for years been beleaguered by inefficient cargo clearance processes causing delays and rendering the port expensive and uncompetitive.

This scenario, blamed on cumbersome documentation, cargo clearance and customs procedures has contributed to the high costs of transport along the Northern Corridor.

According to a report by the Northern Corridor Transit and Transport Coordination Authority, different state agencies have not integrated their on-line systems.

The report reveals that clearing processes at port, container freight stations and customs procedures remain the main sources of delay and high logistics costs.

“There are more than twenty-nine clearance steps to import containers through Mombasa port which are destined for the Kenyan market, and twenty-seven steps for clearance for transit containers,” the report reads.

“Overall, the multiple and duplicated steps which are required to clear both local and transit containers illustrate the reasons for delays along the logistics chain, and the reason why clearance is the leading barrier to smoother transit flow in the region.”

 
Huwezi fanya cost comparison kwani ipo tofauti kwenye..
......terrain.. njia inakopita
....technology itakayotumika
...muda wa ujenzi...
...nk

Sent from my SM-N986B using JamiiForums mobile app
Kuna vitu vingi sana ambavyo viko tofauti kwa reli hizi mbili ambavyo vina affect garama za reli zetu kitofauti, lakini mwenzako alieanzisha hii mada hua hataki kuelewa kwahivyo tunachofanya hapa ni mashindano ya kitoto yale ya, 'babayangu ako na gari kubwa kushinda la babako" wakati hata hatujui chochote kuhusu magari na bei zake
 
Kuna vitu vingi sana ambavyo viko tofauti kwa reli hizi mbili ambavyo vina affect garama za reli zetu kitofauti, lakini mwenzako alieanzisha hii mada hua hataki kuelewa kwahivyo tunachofanya hapa ni mashindano ya kitoto yale ya, 'babayangu ako na gari kubwa kushinda la babako" wakati hata hatujui chochote kuhusu magari na bei zake
kwahiyo Tanzania is all flat as far as terrain is concerned au tunatumia medieval era technology? A baboon will always remain a baboon!
 
Nah, kama kuna fence hakuna haja ya ku warn watu wasikae juu ya reli... Unawaonya wasibomoe wala kuruka fence, kwamba tendo la kuruka fence pekee ni kinyume na sheria (trespassing) na ukishikwa utafungwa jela.... Lakini ukionya watu wasikae juu ya reli inamaanisha hakuna kizuizi chochote kinachozulia mtu kufika hapo kwa reli.
Kwahiyo from the station mtu hawezi kuingia na kutembea kwenye reli ama? Halafu usipende ku comment kwenye vitu na teknologia ambayo hauko familiar nayo this is an electrified SGR not a diesel powered one.
 
lets say we r wasting our funds to cater for Rwanda n Uganda that want that port badly! Afterall the future is promising...

Kenyan ports lose regional grip as neighbours grow


pitkfqfopunwrcjcf62449875e2f72.jpg

Dar es Salaam port [Courtesy]

Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni is always quick to warn neighbours not to dislike Kenya because “she is a pygmy who is an inch taller than her fellow pygmies in East Africa”.

What President Museveni means is that Kenya is a little stronger economically than her neighbours and so they should not be envious over such a trifling.

And indeed, Kenya’s strength is dwindling by the day if the performance of its ports in comparison to its neighbours is anything to go by.

Fresh data from Shippers’ Council of East Africa (SCEA) shows the country is losing cargo business destined to Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi, mainly to the Port of Dar es Salaam.

Goods to Uganda through Mombasa port dropped by four per cent in 2021-22 while those to Rwanda plummeted by 30 per cent.

Mombasa and the Port of Dar es Salaam have for decades battled for the lucrative transit business especially to Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Democratic Republic of Congo.

“It is very clear that cargo to Uganda is passing through another route,” said SCEA Chief Executive Gilbert Langat in an interview. He warned Mombasa to brace for stiff competition.

At the same time, major transport projects coming up in Tanzania, Somalia and Djibouti threaten to eat into Mombasa port’s transit market, and dampen the prospects of Lamu Port.

In Tanzania, a port project fronted by China, Oman and Tanzania in Bagamoyo is taking shape. Once complete, it is expected to eat into Mombasa port’s business.

In the Island of Zanzibar, a new port is also being built by United Arab Emirates, which trade analysts say will threaten Mombasa’s transshipment market.



Meanwhile, a Central Corridor Electric (CCE) Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) is being built by Turkey to link Burundi, Rwanda, Uganda and DRC shippers to Dar es Salaam.

“The (corridor) will link Burundi, Rwanda, DRC and Uganda to the western side of Tanzania. Shippers from those countries will find it an ideal route to use,” said Mr Langat.

The CCE SGR will be powered by electricity from the Grand Dam in the Selous Game Reserve and Songosongo gas.

Construction of a $3 billion (Sh344.5 billion) dam at Rufiji River is on. “In Tanzania, the Port of Mtwara has made Mombasa very unattractive for transshipment business,” said Tom Nyaminde of Tomsea Logistics Ltd.

Mr Nyaminde said the intense lobbying over the Uganda Oil Pipeline was a sign of trade battles ahead between Kenya and Tanzania once transport projects are completed.

On oil imports, a new oil pipeline is being constructed between Hoima in Uganda and Tanga in Tanzania. The Sh572 billion line is expected to be completed before 2025.

In 2016, Tanzania beat Kenya in the battle for the pipeline, which it had planned to link to Lamu Port. But Kenya has announced that it will go it alone and build the pipeline.

In Kenya, the construction of the Sh40 billion offshore Kipevu Oil Terminal in Mombasa, the largest of its kind in Africa, is also 96 per cent complete.

The offshore terminal will be able to load and offload very large sea tankers of up to 200,000 Deadweight tonnage (DWT) carrying all categories of petroleum products including crude oil, white oils and LPG.

Meanwhile, Somalia is also expanding its port of Berbera in Somaliland. The first terminal with a capacity of 500,000 twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs) is about to be completed.

The port is expected to target the Ethiopian market through the Berbera road whose construction is funded by the Abu Dhabi Fund for Development and the UK’s Department of International Development.

At the same time, UK Aid is also funding the construction of the Hargeisa Bypass Road that will link to the modern highway in the Ethiopian side.

This is expected to be a direct, fast and efficient trade route for Ethiopian transit cargo. Kenya’s new port of Lamu is also targeting the Ethiopia market.

But the competition for the lucrative Ethiopian market will not be between Kenya and Somalia alone. Djibouti has also upped its fight for the Ethiopian Market.

A 752-kilometre Ethio-Djibouti railway line seen as a key route for passengers and cargo to and from Ethiopia is currently operational.

Interviews with players in the shipping industry reveal that Djibouti has been able to attract both cargo and military bases because it is located between Somalia, Eritrea, and Yemen.

Djibouti is also located near the Bab el Mandab Strait, which connects the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden; a critical corridor for international shipping.

It is approximately 900 kilometres from Djibouti Port to Addis Ababa compared to 1,279 kilometres from Lamu Port.

This means that Kenya’s Lamu Port will have to compete with Djibouti and Durban in South Africa for the transshipment business.

Kenya Ports Authority has offered generous promotional tariffs to shipping lines and shippers keen to use Lamu Port.

Traders in Mombasa, however, say Mombasa and Lamu can still compete and get the business if the government puts in place systems to bolster efficiency.

Mombasa has for years been beleaguered by inefficient cargo clearance processes causing delays and rendering the port expensive and uncompetitive.

This scenario, blamed on cumbersome documentation, cargo clearance and customs procedures has contributed to the high costs of transport along the Northern Corridor.

According to a report by the Northern Corridor Transit and Transport Coordination Authority, different state agencies have not integrated their on-line systems.

The report reveals that clearing processes at port, container freight stations and customs procedures remain the main sources of delay and high logistics costs.

“There are more than twenty-nine clearance steps to import containers through Mombasa port which are destined for the Kenyan market, and twenty-seven steps for clearance for transit containers,” the report reads.

“Overall, the multiple and duplicated steps which are required to clear both local and transit containers illustrate the reasons for delays along the logistics chain, and the reason why clearance is the leading barrier to smoother transit flow in the region.”


Wakisema Mizigo kwenda Rwanda ilipungua by 30% haimaanishi Tanzania ilichukua hio 30%, inaeza kumaanisha kwamba Rwanda walipinguza overall import/export zao za nchi mwaka huo.... Hata ukiangalia kwa Takwimu, Kenya yenyewe ilipunguza export/import yake mwaka wa 2021, does that mean Dar ilichukua hio biashara? NO!
Na pia kumbuka mpaka wa Uganda/Rwanda ulikua umefungwa, sahii umefunguliwa kwahivyo corridor imerudi normal sahii.....

Anyway Hizi ni habari za clickbait tushazizoea huku Kenya.... Hua wanapenda ku post heading kama hizi za kutishia watu, Sijui 'Kenya looses regional dominance', 'Kenya looses oil transport business to Neighbors" etc etc Alafu miezi kadhaa ikipita ukiangalia Takwimu bado unagundua kumbe ilikua bubble ama hata ilikua ni story ambayo haikui supported na real data...


Takwimu za UN (UNCTAD) zinaonyesha Tanzania mmeshuka sana kwa container throughput ya bandari, Hio taarifa uliopost haijaangalia hii angle, This means Kenya kupunguzika kwa transit cargo might not even be related to competition from regional ports but a reduction in global trade due to covid and other factors!

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Now, hebu niambie , Kenya ikipiga 1.3 Million TEUs wakati Tanzania imepiga 363K TEUs in 2020, hapa kuna competition kweli 😛 This is not even a competition, Angalau Djibouti wanajaribu, but Tz, your port is not a real threat by any measure!
 
Kwahiyo from the station mtu hawezi kuingia na kutembea kwenye reli ama? Halafu usipende ku comment kwenye vitu na teknologia ambayo hauko familiar nayo this is an electrified SGR not a diesel powered one.
Inasikitisha vile unajaribu kujitetea kwa kutunga hadithi...

Huu ndo ukweli, Phase 1 inawekwa fense karibu na miji, lakini sehemu zengine zitakua hazina fence... Only 50km out of 209 itakua na fence, so mtu anaweza akatembea tu hadi kwenye reli

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kwahiyo Tanzania is all flat as far as terrain is concerned au tunatumia medieval era technology? A baboon will always remain a baboon!
Hihihihi, we have more bridges that you, so don't even go there man, You have less than 15km of bridges so that's not the issue! now give me my mango (or whatever baboons eat)
 
And why r lamenting that we hate your upgraded MGR?
I said haters of Kenya SGR, you automatically assumed it was you. Why? Hater anaeza kua mtu yeyote, kama we si hater basi hio comment haingekugusa, ungesoma na ukapita kimya kimya.... lakini ilikugusa!
Anyway, when I wrote that comment, I was thinking of the likes of David Ndii (a Kenyan BTW)and the Kenyan who posted that tweet showing SGR making losses..... But wewe ukaona naongea kuhusu wewe
 
What part of word upgrade you did not understand?
You are the one who doesn't get it, So if you already had a functional port in Tanga, mbona mizigo yote ya North Tanzania haikupitia huko, mbona mizigo miengine inapitia Mombasa? Ama unataka uniambie Tanga port was at 100% capacity and that is the reason you are telling me that after the upgrade, they won't need to used Mombasa port?

Cause if Tanga port was not at full capacity b4 the upgrade, it means upgrading it wont stop shipping lines from still using Mombasa port as a transshipment hub for some of nothern Tanzania goods
 
Inasikitisha vile unajaribu kujitetea kwa kutunga hadithi...

Huu ndo ukweli, Phase 1 inawekwa fense karibu na miji, lakini sehemu zengine zitakua hazina fence... Only 50km out of 209 itakua na fence, so mtu anaweza akatembea tu hadi kwenye reli

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Hayo matangazo ya electrical hazard lazima yawekwe iwe kuna fence ama hamna fence.
 
Huyo mtanzania hapo Kwa Twitter amemuonyesha Madini yaliopo Tz... How does that guarantee to make Tz SGR profitable? Shida ni kwamba Tz hua mko na hypothetical nyingi wakati reality Kwa ground ni tofauti...
Hebu niambie, ni tani ngapi za dhahabu ambazo zinapelekwa na malori hadi Dar kila mwaka? Je hizo tani za dhahabu na madini mengine zinatosha kuletea SGR faida...

Kumbuka ukisema zinatosha inamaanisha Tz haitawahi kujenga viwanda vya ndani vya kusafisha dhahabu ili kuongeza mapato ndani ya nchi, Yani mtakua mna export dhahabu ikiwa bado imeshikana na mawe na michanga ili iwe mzigo mzito (Yani hakuna value addition inayofanyika Tz)
Ndio maana huyo Mzungu hapo Twitter amesema labda muamue kubeba mafuta ya petroli na diesel kupitia SGR ndo angalau mtakua na mzigo wa kutegemea, tofauti na Kenya ambapo tulijenga SGR na bomba la mafuta Kwa wakati mmoja .... Kama tungeamua kusafirisha mafuta na SGR kungekua na biashara kubwa sana ambayo ingeiyeka KRC busy. Hata Ethiopia nao walitupilia mbali mradi wa bomba la mafuta ili watumie SGR lakini sielewi vipi bado wanabeba mizigo kidogo kutushinda licha ya kuanza operesheni za SGR mapema kutuliko.
So SGR in Kenya Makes profit because of Nairobi

and you assume Tz wont because most cargo ends in Dar..

I might agree with you on some issues ...as long as Tz does not work to increase EPZs and Industries along the SGR corriodor tutapa shida kutegemea only minerals kuleta profit..

But also Mwanza and Dodoma are growing cities maybe they wont reach Dar levels..but they will need the services na transport ya mizigo..we shouldnt bet on this

But kuhakikisha SGR inapata mizigo ya kutosha lazima kama Tz viwanda vingi vya vitu vizito kma cement,chuma,steel,magari,wanyama vijengewe along the corridor ya SGR that should be the next target ya govt ..na tayari tumeanza na ujenzi huo but i hope utakuwa mkubwa zaidi

1.Kuna Industrial park ya around 2k industries itajengwa pwani
2.Intacom fertilizer plant inajengwa Dodoma as we speak


But hii inaweza kuwa kama challenge ya sisi ku boost productivity yetu lets see
 
So SGR in Kenya Makes profit because of Nairobi

and you assume Tz wont because most cargo ends in Dar..

I might agree with you on some issues ...as long as Tz does not work to increase EPZs and Industries along the SGR corriodor tutapa shida kutegemea only minerals kuleta profit..

But also Mwanza and Dodoma are growing cities maybe they wont reach Dar levels..but they will need the services na transport ya mizigo..we shouldnt bet on this

But kuhakikisha SGR inapata mizigo ya kutosha lazima kama Tz viwanda vingi vya vitu vizito kma cement,chuma,steel,magari,wanyama vijengewe along the corridor ya SGR that should be the next target ya govt ..na tayari tumeanza na ujenzi huo but i hope utakuwa mkubwa zaidi

1.Kuna Industrial park ya around 2k industries itajengwa pwani
2.Intacom fertilizer plant inajengwa Dodoma as we speak


But hii inaweza kuwa kama challenge ya sisi ku boost productivity yetu lets see
kwani Bujumbura, Kigali si cities? whose SGR will get first in those 2 countries?
 
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