David Ndii Na Msumari Wa Moto SGR Ya Kenya

[kennedy0000]

Good thing that Museveni is secretly moving away from this shit 1970 diesel train. Time unravels the most complex lies ..and in due time, the kenya SGR lie will come loose, all the truth will be laid bare

Fun fact:
Even if we deduct the amount spent on the SGR from our annual budget, what remains will still be larger than the annual budgets of your Bongolala, Uganda and Burundi combined.

This is big boy territory.
It's the same way you don't hear us lecture the US that their F-35 fighter jet program is expensive. Know your lanes.

 

[bukoba boy]

Phase 2 is less than a year away from completion.
Mahaters watapata tabu sana.

A government does not operate like a commercial entity. Governments build things for the public good, not by looking at the profit prospects.
The SGR train will contribute more to the economy indirectly in terms of new opportunities, opening up new towns, skills, time saved, etc.
If the government operated the way Ndii thinks, then it would never build roads unless they are toll roads. It would never build hospitals unless they are profit-making.. etc.

To recap, SGR was not built to make profits.

Ok,SGR was built to make loss.

 

[pingli-nywee]

Fun fact:
Even if we deduct the amount spent on the SGR from our annual budget, what remains will still be larger than the annual budgets of your Bongolala, Uganda and Burundi combined.

This is big boy territory.
It's the same way you don't hear us lecture the US that their F-35 fighter jet program is expensive. Know your lanes.

Very true!

 

[kennedy0000]

Ok,SGR was built to make loss.

Profits and losses exist in business not in government.
SGR ilijengwa kuboresha usafiri wa watu na bidhaa. Same way ata nyinyi mnajenga barabara, flyover, hospitali ambazo serikali haingoji zilete faida.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Ok,SGR was built to make loss.

Exactly, at same time wale wakubwa wenye biashara zao Naivasha etc, wataendelea kufaidika na SGR. Lakini walala hoi watanyonywa na kutwishwa mzigo wa madeni kulipia huo mradi mpaka kufa.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Fun fact:
Even if we deduct the amount spent on the SGR from our annual budget, what remains will still be larger than the annual budgets of your Bongolala, Uganda and Burundi combined.

This is big boy territory.
It's the same way you don't hear us lecture the US that their F-35 fighter jet program is expensive. Know your lanes.

Fun fact:
Even if we deduct the amount spent on the SGR from our annual budget, what remains will still be larger than the annual budgets of your Bongolala, Uganda and Burundi combined.

This is big boy territory.
It's the same way you don't hear us lecture the US that their F-35 fighter jet program is expensive. Know your lanes.

FUN Fact:
Total Revenue that Treasury can raise from Tax+other sources= 1.2Trn
Kenya's Bugdet=3Trn
Defeciate=1.9Trn
Debt repayment per year=870bn
Balance after Debt obligations= 300bn
SGR cost per year running expences=12bn
net cash for running gvt= 298bn
Essecial services (Education+security)=300bn
Conclusion: Failed state no money for any dev unless we borrow at 10% while Tz gets free grants and eurobond investors keep reviewing their credit health to entice them to borrow atleast some cash.

 

[thisdayes]

NIGHT VISION. 😀😀😀

Hahahaaa.. this is typical, i am waiting for a day a tangible point to come from you. Otherwise you excell in stupidity [emoji1]

 

[Kafrican]

I will be posting like 3 posts consecutive posts on this:


niliambia watu wajifundishe kufikiria (critical thinking ) badala ya kuwa kondoo wanaofwata upepo..... learn to think for yourself people!!!! Yani mijitu inaconsume incormation yoyote bila hata kusema but wait a second, let me just think first before I reply!!!

Mwezi uliopita huyo David ndii alipiga hesabu za kitoto nikawaonyesha vile alikosea kabisa... sasa amerudi tena na hesabu za kitoto ttena ambazo mtu yeyote anaeweza kufikiria anaweza kufanya... I am predy sure david ndii hajui tofauti ya maana ya Design capacity na carrying capacity

1. SGR project ikitangazwa in 2013, ilisemekana lengo la short term ni kubeba angalau 40% ya cargo at Mombasa port... in 2013, mombasa port ilikua inabeba 22 million tonnes. what is 40% of 22 million? = 8.8Million tonnes. .... David ndii na kila mtu angeweza kufanya hii hesabu tangu 2013 hata kabla reli haijajengwa, withing the first few years of operation, this is the best the SGR will be able to achieve (I will tell you why in a moment) Lakini hii 8.8Million kwa mwaka si Design capacity ya reli! hii ni realistic carrying capacity ambayo SGR inaweza kuchukua kutoka bandari ya Mombasa... huko TZ na pia Ethiopia ni kidogo zaidi...

Kwasababu gani only 40% iko achievable in short term...

1. ICD ya Nairobi imejengwa kutesheleza uwezo wa Nairobi, ina cappacity ya 450, 000 TEUs p.a... pale reli ikifika Naivasha na Kisumu ambapo kutakua na ICD na dry port, sgr itakua iko na nafasi ya kuongeza ...

2. mwaka jana Bandari ya mombasa ilibeba 30million tonnes... Lakini, hivi mnajua si mizigo yote inayoingia mombasa iko kwa kontena... infact, contena make up only 30% of cargo..., hizo nyengine 70% ni dry cargo (kama cereal s) bulk cargo.... lakini kiwango kikubwa zaidi huwa ni mafuta (kumbuka bandari ya mombasa ndo ina import mafuta yote ya Kenya, Uganda, S.Sudan..... haswa mafuta ya diesel na petroli, petroli nyingi sana husafirishwa na bomba la mafuta kwahivyo haipandishwi kwa SGR.... Magari nayo huletwa yakiwa nje ya ma kontena, itachukua miaka kadhaa kabla magari moja moja yawe yanabebwa juu ya SGR.... kwa sasa lengo kuu la SGR ni kuchukua biashara ya mizigo iliyoko kwa kontena ama ambayo inaweza kuingizwa kwa kontena kama vile mahindi.... kwahivyo itachukua mda kidogo kabla SGR iwe inaweza chukua beyond 40%..




Hizi ndo kontena zilizobebwa na malori vs SGR ndani ya wiki moja mwisho wa mwezi wa January. ..
January 31st, 2018 up by 60.04%
Quote:
Containers delivered out of the port by the road transport grew from11, 111 TEUs to 11,865 TEUs while the rail transport also increased from 273 TEUs to 438 TEUs.




by June, kontena zinazo bebwa kwa wiki ni

June 6th, 2018 up by 37.02% compared to April 18th
Quote:
Deliveries of containers by road transport recorded 9,204 TEU while the Mombasa-Nairobi Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) registered 3,997 TEU .

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ukijumlisha utagundua kua kwa wiki, wastanii ni kontena kama 12,000 zinazo ondoshwa kutoka bandari... hii kama kontena 1, 700 kwa siku kwa mwaka inakua kontena 625k containers ......
kontena moja TEU hua ina uzito wa kama 20t hivi.... 625kx20 = 12 million tonnes , kwahivyo mizigo yote ya kontena pale bandarini ina changia only 12 million tonnes kwa mwaka kati ya 30 minllion tonnes ambayo inapitia bandarini....

 

[Kafrican]

post ya pili:

Kwa mwezi wa June, SGR ikitumia treni 6 imekua ikibeba wastani wa 572 teus kwa siku, lengo la KR nikuongeza treni hadi 11 by Dec au January 2019... ili kufikisha 1, 200 teus kwa siku...



treni 11 = 1, 200 teus kwa siku...... unajua 1, 200 teus kwa siku ni tani ngapi kwa mwaka kama 1 teu = 20t ?

1, 200 x 365 = 438, 000 teus p.a

438, 000 teus x 20 t = 8, 760, 000 million tonnes p.a

8.76million tonnes pa is almost equal to the 40% of 22million calculation I did in the previous post... which is approximately the same figure David ndii mentions as the design capacity of he SGR (which is not)



So do you want to tell me that the SGR a project build to last beyond 70 years, will have reached its full capacity on the first year of operations? I remember one time David ndii claimed the SGR will never reach full capacity... atleast he made sense then...

this 8.8 million tonnes was just the target of the first few years of operation, even the KR MD said that when they achieve the 1, 200 teus per day next year but one they will be targeting 2000 teus per day.. and then 3000 teus and so on....

I mean we ordered 43 freight locomotives!!!!! once we achieve 1, 200 teus per day, tuna switch to double stacked wagons ambazo zinabeba doeble the cargo.....

hata kama tunatumia double headed system for each freight train.... thats still atleast 22 freight train servives....


Kenyan standard gauge locomotives unveiled
The company is supplying a total of 56 locomotives. There will be 43 DF8B locomotives for use on freight trains, five DF11 locomotives for passenger trains and eight DF7G shunting locomotives. They will have 16V280ZJA diesel engines.
Kenya Railways Corp reports that civil works for the Mombasa to Nairobi line are now substantially complete, with commissioning planned for June 2017.



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in conclusion, Design capacity is 22 million tonnes, But we can only realistically achieve only 8. million in the first few years of operation. ... by the time we can reach 22 million it will be like 10 years from now when Mombasa port will be handling like 50 million tonnes p.a..... In my opinionn, that is when we should electrify the rail to increase capacity.
Rember that World bank report that said SGR projects in east africa were not necessary because of lack of more cargo? If you all heard carfully gone through it you would have all understood and wouldn't have needed david ndii's opinion to think for yourself

 

[kennedy0000]

FUN Fact:
Total Revenue that Treasury can raise from Tax+other sources= 1.2Trn
Kenya's Bugdet=3Trn
Defeciate=1.9Trn
Debt repayment per year=870bn
Balance after Debt obligations= 300bn
SGR cost per year running expences=12bn
net cash for running gvt= 298bn
Essecial services (Education+security)=300bn
Conclusion: Failed state no money for any dev unless we borrow at 10% while Tz gets free grants and eurobond investors keep reviewing their credit health to entice them to borrow atleast some cash.

Jifunze basic common sense and stop cooking figures.

Kenya

Budget: KSh3 trillion

Revenue
KRA (Tax) - Sh1.7 Trillion
Foreign borrowing - Sh 282 billion
Domestic borrowing - Sh276 billion
(Amount of borrowing can be reviewed as the year progresses)

National Government (Recurrent takes half. Development takes nearly half) - 1.6 Trillion
Consolidated fund (salaries, DEBT, allowances, UN fees etc.) - 962 Billion

Development will continue as planned.

We get loans because we pay for them. Tanzania has to wait for goodwill from the West to come in every 5 years with meager grants and gifts.

And also remember, Tanzania pays its people very poorly. The spending power is so low that even low-cost airlines are pulling out.
That's why a country of 60 million people can raise half the taxes a country of 50 million people raise, and get away with it.

Tanzania

Budget: KSh 1.4 Trillion

Tax revenue (very hopeful) - Sh 900 Billion
Non-tax revenue - Sh 100 Billion
Local Government (Kenya leaves this to the counties) - Sh36 Billion

You have a hole of 400 billion Kenya Shillings in your already unambitious budget.

When you pay for the running of government, salaries, debts and other recurrent expenditures, you're literally left with nothing.

That's why people with brains have been wondering where 'na pesa yetu' is coming from.

At least here in Kenya we don't hide things. We build highways, hospitals, power stations, rail, etc with loans. And pay back the loans.

Huko Tanzania, you take few loans, and do few things. As a result, your population remains poor.

Kenya has 50 times the projects going on in Tanzania.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Jifunze basic common sense and stop cooking figures.

Kenya

Budget: KSh3 trillion

Revenue
KRA (Tax) - Sh1.7 Trillion
Foreign borrowing - Sh 282 billion
Domestic borrowing - Sh276 billion
(Amount of borrowing can be reviewed as the year progresses)

National Government (Recurrent takes half. Development takes nearly half) - 1.6 Trillion
Consolidated fund (salaries, DEBT, allowances, UN fees etc.) - 962 Billion

Development will continue as planned.

We get loans because we pay for them. Tanzania has to wait for goodwill from the West to come in every 5 years with meager grants and gifts.

And also remember, Tanzania pays its people very poorly. The spending power is so low that even low-cost airlines are pulling out.
That's why a country of 60 million people can raise half the taxes a country of 50 million people raise, and get away with it.

Tanzania

Budget: KSh 1.4 Trillion

Tax revenue (very hopeful) - Sh 900 Billion
Non-tax revenue - Sh 100 Billion
Local Government (Kenya leaves this to the counties) - Sh36 Billion

You have a hole of 400 billion Kenya Shillings in your already unambitious budget.

When you pay for the running of government, salaries, debts and other recurrent expenditures, you're literally left with nothing.

That's why people with brains have been wondering where 'na pesa yetu' is coming from.

At least here in Kenya we don't hide things. We build highways, hospitals, power stations, rail, etc with loans. And pay back the loans.

Huko Tanzania, you take few loans, and do few things. As a result, your population remains poor.

Kenya has 50 times the projects going on in Tanzania.

Pedestrian brain.
Fun Fact 2:
Kenya loses 608bn per year on corruption.
Cant engage with a fool anymore, have your way. bye

 

[kennedy0000]

Pedestrian brain.
Fun Fact 2:
Kenya loses 608bn per year on corruption.
Cant engage with a fool anymore, have your way. bye

And yet with all that lost, we're able to:
1. Pay our debts religiously
2. Pay salaries without failure (the highest in the region)
3. Run hospitals, schools, police, army etc.
and other recurrent expenditures.
4. Build the biggest infrastructure projects ever witnessed in Eastern Africa.

For your stupid number of 608 billion to make sense, then KRA must be collecting Sh 3 trillion per year.

 

[MAKANJAMNA]

Kubalini tu mmepigwa changa la macho..

Hizo treni mpaka leo waKenya hawaziendeshi.. systems bado zipo Mandarin..

Majirani kukubali kukosea sio vibaya itawasaidia kujifunza.. kama ss tulivyojifunza kwenu.m

 

[kennedy0000]

Kubalini tu mmepigwa changa la macho..

Hizo treni mpaka leo waKenya hawaziendeshi.. systems bado zipo Mandarin..

Majirani kukubali kukosea sio vibaya itawasaidia kujifunza.. kama ss tulivyojifunza kwenu.m

This is only news in Bongolalaland.
Hapa Kenya we knew what we signed up for. Hakuna news mpya.

Even banks at times assign a manager so they can make sure their loan is repaid.

 

[pingli-nywee]

Hahahaaa.. this is typical, i am waiting for a day a tangible point to come from you. Otherwise you excell in stupidity [emoji1]

I see your English Medium Kenyan teacher is trying very hard. Don't worry, you will soon learn how to use proper tenses. There is your point.

 

[kirk git]

Fun fact:
Even if we deduct the amount spent on the SGR from our annual budget, what remains will still be larger than the annual budgets of your Bongolala, Uganda and Burundi combined.

This is big boy territory.
It's the same way you don't hear us lecture the US that their F-35 fighter jet program is expensive. Know your lanes.

Can you give us the data to support your point?

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

And yet with all that lost, we're able to:
1. Pay our debts religiously
2. Pay salaries without failure (the highest in the region)
3. Run hospitals, schools, police, army etc.
and other recurrent expenditures.
4. Build the biggest infrastructure projects ever witnessed in Eastern Africa.

For your stupid number of 608 billion to make sense, then KRA must be collecting Sh 3 trillion per year.

Borrowing to steal, thats why its possible to steal a cool 608bn every year.
mediocre public fund management is allocating only 3bn to agriculture which comprises 70% of GDP while spending 1bn per month (12bn per year) to a railway that brings in only 1bn the whole year.
Statehouse in full of weed smokers

 

[kennedy0000]

You are missing the point. You should red the provided evident documents thoroughly. You are totally right that it was not supposed to be a commercial thing, that is, it was supposed to be built with profits not being a priority like any typical government project to serve the people including businesses. However, the point you missed and I quote is that the "Kenya SGR project was sold as a commercially viable project". That means, the expectations of profits was prioritized before other expectations.

Tl:dr
You say the SGR was not built to make profits. True as in it's what it's expected. However, the government and contractor performed study and implementation of the SGR as a commercial project with expectations that it will bring profits.

From my understanding of commercially viable, it is to be able to pay for its day to day running.
DP Ruto said the other day that by the end of the year, this should have been realized.

It is the government's job to pay for the loan, not SGR.

If we find ourselves going back to treasury to fund its operations, then we can ask questions.

 

[kennedy0000]

Can you give us the data to support your point?

Kenya budget 2018: $30 billion
SGR phase 1: $3.2 billion
Balance: $26.8 billion

Tanzania budget 2018: $14 billion
Uganda budget 2018: $7.5 billion
Rwanda budget 2018: $2.4 billion
Total: 23.9

Source - EAC states budget 2018/19 highlights

 

[kennedy0000]

Borrowing to steal, thats why its possible to steal a cool 608bn every year.
mediocre public fund management is allocating only 3bn to agriculture which comprises 70% of GDP while spending 1bn per month (12bn per year) to a railway that brings in only 1bn the whole year.
Statehouse in full of weed smokers

Once again pulling figures from your a**.

"The state department for Irrigation will receive Ksh17.97 billion ($179.7 million) while Ksh5.56 billion ($55.6 million) will go to the state department for Agriculture and Research."

Kenya releases budget estimates of eye-popping $31b

And there is a nationwide project to build 57 new dams for irrigation (construction not under state department of irrigation).

Govt rolls out 57-dam project to boost food output

The amount we're spending on agriculture, directly and indirectly, is more than Tanzania and Rwanda annual budgets combined.

The problem with you bongolalas is you assume all the money we borrow goes to the railway.
We have borrowed I think Sh4 trillion. Less than 1 trillion has gone to the railway.

As I told you before, Kenya currently has more than 50 times the number of infrastructural projects as Tanzania.