Do you know what is consummation?

[Ronn M]

i was a matron just two weeks ago! after church service tulikwenda ukumbini straight then, mashemeji na wakwe wakasugest tukacheze mziki, so straight to disco na bibi harusi! hakukuwa na muda wa kwenda rum na mumewe hata sekunde, so by the time tunatoka club was in the morning kabisa around 4, hence no consummation. what about this kuna ndoa hapo, au ndio itakuwa mikosi?

Consummation need not to be done right away. Just in reasonable time depending on the facts of each case!

 

[Kongosho]

Hii pasua kichwa, naona maruweruwe tu.

Sasa hivi watu wakioana, wiki ya kwanza tunawawekea kideo cha kuwarekodi wasije wakadanganya mahakama.

 

[Mwanamayu]

Lawyers hatukariri sheria, tunaielewa ndugu!

sio kuwa wote tunaielewa na ku-interprete law lakini lawyers wana-interprete mahakamani na ni kwa sababu wamesomea!!

 

[Mwanamayu]

Kwa wasiofahamu hii ni moja ya hitaji muhimu sana kwa ndoa! Ili ndoa iwe halali, couple must be able to consummate. This is the first act of sexual intercourse after marriage. If in any case parties fail to consummate in reasonable time, the marriage may be avoided. Consummation is actual insertion. Its not necessary that the insertion gets deep or couples reach orgasm. Mere insertion is sufficient for consummation!

Wewe utakuwa mwanafunzi nini? Leo ndio kwenye course ya 'family law' ndio mmefundishwa? Canon Law inaongelea vizuri tu kuhusu suala hili na kuelewa sio lazima uwe lawyer!!!!!!

 

[Iramusm]

Mkuu Ronn, nimekuelewa vizuri.

 

[Kongosho]

Hivi right away ni muda gani? Nipe kwa SI unit za mwaka, siku, miezi, saa, dakika au sekunde.

Leo naenda kumkonsumeti Bishanga.

Consummation need not to be done right away. Just in reasonable time depending on the facts of each case!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

To understand how the law operates we must go back to history and the purpose which such law intended to achieve. Now, given the current settings the concept might be seen silly and stupid. There are some traditions where after a marriage has been concluded by the minister (religious) a man might have to wait at least one week to have his wife. Thats notwithstanding, the couple will remain married. The effect is not to allow any subsequent marriage as between parties save where it was polygamous one. Now suppose the man becomes importent before entering her. Can she say to have been legally married. Yes, she can if she chooses. But she can avoid that marriage on ground of non consummation. That will render the marriage void (as if she has never been married) and can therefore get married to another man. Sorry for long explanation

To me that law is a dinosaur because for the most part it goes counter to the realities of modern life.

First, it's awfully hard to prove that consummation didn't take place. I just don't know how they go about proving it.

Secondly, I see an issue with privacy. Whether or not me and my wife have consummated our marriage is no one's business. And just out of spite, someone can just make up things just to sully your image.

Will the court just take the complainant's word for it and render a decision? What if she/he is lying just to get out of the marriage?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Mkuu hapo ni pagumu mno
Siju hata huyo Doc atathibitishaje kuwa dhakari ya jamaa inafanya kazi
Na kuwaambia watu wafanye mapenzi mbele ya wengine ni kuingilia privacy ya watu
Na swali langu ni pale ambapo mke ni mjamzito na anakaribia kujifungua kabisa na hakuna consummation iliyofanyika baada ya harusi bado hiyo sio ndoa

Ndiyo maana nasema hiyo ni moja ya sheria za kijinga. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[cacico]

consummation need not to be done right away. Just in reasonable time depending on the facts of each case!

reasonable time, what do u mean? Within 24 hrs or?

 

[Mr Rocky]

Hivi right away ni muda gani? Nipe kwa SI unit za mwaka, siku, miezi, saa, dakika au sekunde.

Leo naenda kumkonsumeti Bishanga.

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Hapo ndio nashindwa kuelewa hiyo right away ni muda gani
Right unapotoka church au ukimalizana na Shekhe au right baada ya kutoka ukumbini, au usiku wa kwanza wa harusi maana ikifika saa saba na uko ukumbini bado hiyo ni siku nyingine au mwezi huo au mwaka huo
Yaani ni muda gani

 

[Ronn M]

Wajamen kinachoongewa ni consummation ya NDOA. Kama kabla ya kufunga ndoa walishafanya tendo mara nyingi tendo hilo lilikuwa nje ya ndoa kumbe si consummation.

We are on the same line!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Hii pasua kichwa, naona maruweruwe tu.

Sasa hivi watu wakioana, wiki ya kwanza tunawawekea kideo cha kuwarekodi wasije wakadanganya mahakama.

Umeona na wewe eeeh? Hiyo sheria ni kiroja kweli kweli.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

reasonable time, what do u mean? Within 24 hrs or?

Reasonable is subjective....reasonable time to me is not necessarily reasonable time to you. That's why I always say that law is maddeningly subjective because so much is always left up to individual interpretations.

 

[cacico]

reasonable is subjective....reasonable time to me is not necessarily reasonable time to you. That's why i always say that law is maddeningly subjective because so much is always left up to individual interpretations.

basi hii kweli pasua kichwa!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

basi hii kweli pasua kichwa!

Mimi bado nashindwa kujua mdai atathibitishaje mahakamani kuwa yeye na mwenza wake hawajamegana baada ya ndoa.

 

[Mr Rocky]

Ndiyo maana nasema hiyo ni moja ya sheria za kijinga. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Mkuu ndoa ya aina hii inakuwa voidable sio void ab initio

Voidable marriages
Subject to the provisions of sections 97 and 98, a marriage shall be voidable if–
(a) at the time of the marriage–
(i) either party was incapable of consummating it;
(ii) either party was subject to recurrent attacks of insanity or epilepsy;
(iii) either party was suffering from venereal disease in a communicable form; or
(iv) the wife was pregnant by some person other than the husband; or
(b) the marriage has not been consummated owing to the wilful refusal of one party to consummate it;
(c) the wife had not attained the age of eighteen years and consent to the marriage as required by section 17 had not been given and the court sees good and sufficient reason to set the marriage aside.

Sasa tatizo hapo ni kuproove kuwa ni kwa vipi ndoa haijawa consummated

 

[Ronn M]

Wewe utakuwa mwanafunzi nini? Leo ndio kwenye course ya 'family law' ndio mmefundishwa? Canon Law inaongelea vizuri tu kuhusu suala hili na kuelewa sio lazima uwe lawyer!!!!!!

Yeah. Student. Perhaps at Tumaini! Happy now? Ask me anything to prove whether im a student or otherwise! And its never a sin to be one.

 

[The Dude]

Wewe ni lawyer? Hicho Kiingereza chako vipi hapo....mbona hakijanyooka?

Huyo ni mwanafunzi wa sheria sio mwanasheria maana sie wanasheria hatuna kingereza bomu namna hiyo.

 

[SMU]

Hiyo ni sheria ya Tanzania au wapi? Vipi kwa ndoa za jinsia moja (say wanawake tupu) hii dhana ya 'consumation' (insertion?) inakuwaje? Na vipi kama watu wanatumia mpira (condom) hiyo consumation inakuwaje?

 

[Ronn M]

Huyo ni mwanafunzi wa sheria sio mwanasheria maana sie wanasheria hatuna kingereza bomu namna hiyo.

Ahsante wewe mwanasheria wa kweli kwa kuwa na kingereza safi!