Teargass
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I won't waste my time arguing with him. I just want him to answer my question if at all he can do it.
I won't waste my time arguing with him. I just want him to answer my question if at all he can do it.Arguing with a Tanzanian is like playing chess with a pigeon, it will scatter all the pieces and poop on the board then claim it has won ie They are impervious to facts and reason. Do not waste your energy.
Recently a huge fight broke out in their government when their lunatic president came with absurd figures claiming that over 200 people had been cured of the virus when the numbers released by their minister for health was 46.As far as this pandemic is concerned, I'm 99% sure the government is telling us the truth. GOK is not hiding the number of deaths and cases the way your government is doing. Siku utakutana na any news of someone who has died of Covid and s/he didn't accounted among the dead please feel free to notify me.
Ukishaanza kua sure na data za gov jua tayari umeshaanza kufeli!!As far as this pandemic is concerned, I'm 99% sure the government is telling us the truth. GOK is not hiding the number of deaths and cases the way your government is doing. Siku utakutana na any news of someone who has died of Covid and s/he didn't accounted among the dead please feel free to notify me.
Ingekuwa our government is playing us tungeshajua. I think you know Kenyans very well, we always don't joke with government's malpractices and if they try to hide anything from us then we will expose them immediately we find out. We don't fear our government the way you fear yours.Ukishaanza kua sure na data za gov jua tayari umeshaanza kufeli!!
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Muda utasema wewe tuliaIngekuwa our government is playing us tungeshajua. I think you know Kenyans very well, we always don't joke with government's malpractices and if they try to hide anything from us then we will expose them immediately we find out. We don't fear our government they you fear yours.
Mbona watanzania huwa ni mpaka mjifanye nyinyi ni experts wa kitu kabla muanze kujadiliana kitu flani? do you think it gives you credibility when you claim to be an expert when you your arguments show otherwise?Research have standards too! n can be audited by ISO standards! Fool i know what i am talking, i am not ur level in understanding of stuffs! Keep claiming Mt Kilimanjaro is visible in Nairobi! Just to help u check for ISO 20252!
Mbona watanzania huwa ni mpaka mjifanye nyinyi ni experts wa kitu kabla muanze kujadiliana kitu flani? do you think it gives you credibility when you claim to be an expert when you your arguments show otherwise?
Yes, research have standards, and those standards have can be audited by ISO.
But research has guidlines, principals, laws, rules, and all those things are audited by the research governing body, in this case WHO not ISO!!!
For example, a BSL lab is expected to be clean at all time, therefor a lab will need to be ISO certified in hygine/cleanleanes to gurantee that they employ the same amount of clean space as any lab globally.
BSL 2-4 need tight security, a lab may acquire ISO certification in Security.
The may aquire ISO certfication ior Information security, guaranteeing that all reseach stored digitally will be secured.
The my get ISO certified in record keeping ,
All these things they get from ISO is standards! to gurantee that the work they do can be reproduced in any other lab using the same standards!
But, all these standards mean nothing if you have not been approved by by WHO to conduct that kind of reseach in the first place!! get that through your thick skull! Only after WHO approve that you can conduct research, once they approve you oonly then will they ask you for those ISO certification to make sure you lab is up to standards.
You can have all the ISO certifictaions you want in the world, but gene manipulation experiments are still illegal, and only an organisation like WHO can make it legal (once approved by UNSC or UNGA)
You can have all the ISO certifications in the world, but you still have to be approved by IAEA to give you permission to condutresearch with nuclear or radio active materials.
And BTW, your ISO 20252 is about market research standards,so maybe you should go back to wherever you got that expert knowledge of yours and ask for your money back!
ISO 20252
Market, opinion and social research
Ensure your market research studies are planned, managed and reported correctly.
Organisations, governments, research institutes and consumers all rely heavily on market research. It contributes to many aspects of modern life, from helping companies to advertise products and services, to our behavior as consumers.
This is exactly what I have told you hapo juu..... ISO is just a standards body. They are there to make sure what you do is up to standard.They however cannot approve you based on legality,morality, political stability, history of previous research capability, a coutry's ability to enforce laws and other factors. A country like S.Sudan or Somalia or even Sudan or current Lybia can get all the ISO certifications but still not get approved by WHO because WHO will look at those other factors other than standards and say if we approve them, next year they will have civil war or government get overthrown and those labs will fall in to the wrong hands, so NO, you are not stable enough, or you are not at that level of research yet.Then pitia ISO 15195, kwa taarifa yako WHO hutumia ISO guidelines in their service provision! ISO is everywhere!
ISO Standards and the Life Science Industry in a Nutshell
There are three ISO documentary standards that are particularly relevant to the life science industry:
The ABCs of ISOs: What ISO Standards in the Life Science Industry Are All About - Artel USA
- ISO 17025:2005—This standard sets out general requirements for ensuring your processes for making measurements are of high quality, leading to accurate and precise readings (Clause 4) as well as general guidelines for ensuring the proper training of people taking measurements (Clause 5). This standard does not dictate acceptable tolerances, but rather helps labs create quality processes by highlighting important factors for making quality measurements, and for training people to take quality measurements.
- ISO 15189:2012—This standard translates ISO 17025:2005 into language which is more specific for medical testing laboratories to better ensure processes for quality measurements and training in these critical applications.
- ISO 15195—This standard translates ISO 17025 into language specific for medical reference labs which conduct the longer, more complex and accurate tests that are of the highest metrological order and provide traceability to the best available standards.
Hizo ni takwimu za Africa nzima kwa ujumla
Arguing with a Tanzanian is like playing chess with a pigeon, it will scatter all the pieces and poop on the board then claim it has won ie They are impervious to facts and reason. Do not waste your energy.
Sahii nchi zote zinapambana na corona, lakini unafikiri ni nchi ngapi zinaruhusiwa kufanya utafiti kutumia live samples za korona?Mbona kuna fununu kulikuwa na ebola Tz hadi sasa hivi kimya, alitibiwaje huyo mgonjwa na sampuli zilipelekwa wapi, maana zingeletwa kenya ingejulikana, that shows we can deal with ebola without approval ya anybody
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Nimekuelewa health sector yetu ni mbovu nakili hilo hatuna madaktari wa kutosha,hatuna madawa nk.Bora nikapata huduma chini ya mti kuliko kuwekwa kwenye jengo zuri bila huduma.Hii corona imedhihirisha health sector yenu ni mbovu. Rwanda na Uganda wameonyesha wako juu.
Nyinyi endeleeni kujenga majengo.
Health sector si buildings,ni zaidi ya izo concrete and glass.
Bure kabisa.
Kote ulikotaja huduma ni mbovu sana hospital hazina wataalamu wala dawa.Umewahi kufika wilayani huko ndani ndani Bahi, ulanga, kibondo, sikonge, Uvinza, karagwe,mpwapwa. Ukaone huduma za afya
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You seem to be lost this is "Kenya News and politics section", the retard class is over at the Tanzania forum why not put the thread there?Wakenya ni watu MBURURA Sana pamoja na Dada zenu wenye sura Kama ngozi ya GOTI, UBISHI ndio jadi yenu huu Uzi ulikuwa unahusu BENJAMIN MKAPA HOSPITAL lakini kwa ubishi wenu wakipuuzi mkaanza tena Humu!!! Kwa niaba ya WaTZ wote natangaza rasmi mrudi kwenye Uzi wa DAR VS NAIROBI huko mkaendeleze ligi hapa tubaki tuzungumzie BMH
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ISO bodies r responsible to oversee guideline and oversee procedures r followed in accordance to WHO policies! when WHO (that mainly sets policy) wants to check if a specific country has capacity, Quality Assurance Auditors (certified by specific bodies) r being sent to conduct audit! And even WHO internal auditors have to take ISO standards exams to be able to carry out the exercise. So my friend u see a company or a lab is ISO certified be aware it's not a small job to get such a certification!This is exactly what I have told you hapo juu..... ISO is just a standards body. They are there to make sure what you do is up to standard.They however cannot approve you based on legality,morality, political stability, history of previous research capability, a coutry's ability to enforce laws and other factors. A country like S.Sudan or Somalia or even Sudan or current Lybia can get all the ISO certifications but still not get approved by WHO because WHO will look at those other factors other than standards and say if we approve them, next year they will have civil war or government get overthrown and those labs will fall in to the wrong hands, so NO, you are not stable enough, or you are not at that level of research yet.
This is why for a BSL to be level 4, the lab must have been atleast level 2,3, then 3+ and only then can that lab be upgraded to Level 4..ANd these are WHO guidlines, not ISO... Although WHO might require you to be ISO re-certified each time your lab gets upgraded to the next bio-safety level to make sure you are up to stardard with the reseach.
I mean do you think the reason why Iran has never been aproved by IAEA to maake nuclear weapons is because they are not ISO certified!??
Do you think the reason why only South Africa and Gabon have been approved to have BSL-4 and BSL-3+ by WHO is because they are the only countries with the required ISO certifications? NO! those guys worked there asses off and did alot of research and the results helped advance science and WHO noticed their contribution, only then were they were allowed to move to the next level and reseach on the most deadly of diseases .
Hebu pendekeza Basi Hilo jina la maana mkuu wanguJina la maana ia si Mkapa
Majengo yanasaidia nini wakati uwezo wenu ni kiataalamu?
Twambie wananchi wananufaika vipi na hayo majengo kwa kipindi hiki cha COVID-19.
Majengo mazuri sawa ila hakuna hata mtaalamu mmoja ambaye amegundua chanjo/dawa ya COVID-19.
COVID-19 revealed & proved your poverty.
Kwani ukimjibu hoja yake utapungukiwa nn? Hoja haipigwi runguWakati mwingine ukikaa kimya unaonekana mwerevu hata kama wewe u mjinga,
wengine hata uandishi wenu unadhihirisha hamjaenda shule lakini maadamu mna uwezo wa kuwa Smartphones na Acount za JF basi mnakomenti komenti kila mahala,
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