Drama unfolds as Governors walk out of meeting in protest of powers being clipped.

[Ab-Titchaz]

And shooting straight in his characteristic mien, Raila said President Kibaki was wrong on his backing for County Commissioners and calls for unitary State.

Still after retirement inashangaza kuna mwito wa kenya kugawanyika katika vijimbo. meaning even travelling to various areas would be difficult because some polticians calling for a divided nation.

pple do not know why there was a 'central government' and 'national parliament' retained to address certain challenges to oversee their implementation.

what are we talking about is it ugavi wa mamlaka au rasilimali. dont mix kenyans bana

Hahahahahaha!... Kabaridi, The Anti-Agwambo...all you have said there is a bunch of lies. Its simple to talk ill about Raila but the fact remains that its the Constitution being quoted here. We are seeing the Transitional Authority, which is effectively the Junta running Kenya right now, trying to undermine what the Constitution says. Raila is simply adding his voice to what the Governors were saying.

1. Githae and this Transitional Authority have refused to released funds to the new governors.
2. Then ati they have to report to those illegal commisioners that Kibaki appointed.

Tackle these 2 points that the Governors raised and save us from this 'poo poo' about Raila this and Raila that!

Wewe sikuachi hata ukimbie wapi....bado wewe ni wetu na hebu punguza uzushi humu ndani...:A S shade:

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Mr Kabaridi this is where we totally differ, a situation u conviniently reanalyse to suit the setting, the county commissioners are crying foul....the role of central govt was to collect tax, and finance strategic installations like the super highways.
The county government is solely responsible for county devt...sharing the national cake, dude i want my backyard to grow too.lol. That is a county govt; the constitution says any Kenyan can own land or property ot otherwise develope in any part of this nation without discrimanation on ethnicity basis as long as he/she is a bonafide kenyan...even travelling withing Kenya is safe guarded by the same constitution. Yesterdays remarks by a guy i totally respect was out of line.
By the way county conmissioners are illegal this far.lol. Someone disobeyed court orders, why?
And county govt should prevail, ad hate to blame anything and everything on Mt.Kenya mafia but at times they leave us with no choice...this is utter mutilation of the constitution.....nowhere are county govt proscribed as a threat to a unitary state....the constitution is clear on secession if threat ever suffices the need of a referendum.
Reading all this, lets agree every region needs a piece of the national pie.lol.

Thank you my 'Arm-Chair Defence General' livefire,

How you doing mate?....Thanks for adding a voice on this one. This Kabaridi, guy has a way of twisting facts like a professional....lol! He conviniently skirts around the article and picks what he wants to shoot down then voila...here we go!

On this one Kibaki has erred ever since the days of appointing those County Commisioners that everybody yelled about. What Kibaki is trying to do is to maintain the colonial outfit of the Provincial Administration under a new outfit. All this other story about a unity government is to raise antennas and have his foot soldiers like Kabaridi, doing the mop up.

Roundi hii ni shiriasss!!...Kibaki will pick a fight that he will have to leave for Uhuru to clean up coz the civil society is already up in arms. They not buying this...whatever Kibaki and the TA is selling.

The new Kenya!

 

[Koborer]

Mr Kabaridi, this is where we totally differ, a situation u conviniently reanalyse to suit the setting, the county govornors are crying foul.., not raila only ..the role of central govt was to collect tax, and finance strategic installations like the super highways that interlink counties or east africa.
The county government is solely responsible for county devt...sharing the national cake, dude i want my backyard to grow too.lol. That is a county govt; the constitution says any Kenyan can own land or property or otherwise develop in any part of this nation without discrimanation on basis of ethnicity, race or colour as long as he/she is a bonafide kenyan...even travelling withing Kenya is safe guarded by the same constitution. Yesterdays remarks by a guy i totally respect was out of line.
By the way county conmissioners are illegal this far.lol. Someone disobeyed court orders, why? U tell me.
And county govts should prevail, ad hate to blame anything and everything on Mt.Kenya mafia but at times they leave us with no choice...this is utter mutilation of the constitution.....nowhere are county govts proscribed as a threat to a unitary state....the constitution is clear on secession if any threat ever suffices the need of a referendum.
Reading all this, lets agree every region needs a piece of the national pie.lol.

Exactly, Raila is quite right in this one. Kibaki on the other one is going against the law. The so called county commissioners need to be recalled and be given other duties. As it is, i think they are illegally in office.

 

[livefire]

Thank you my 'Arm-Chair Defence General' livefire,

How you doing mate?....Thanks for adding a voice on this one. This Kabaridi, guy has a way of twisting facts like a professional....lol! He conviniently skirts around the article and picks what he wants to shoot down then voila...here we go!

On this one Kibaki has erred ever since the days of appointing those County Commisioners that everybody yelled about. What Kibaki is trying to do is to maintain the colonial outfit of the Provincial Administration under a new outfit. All this other story about a unity government is to raise antennas and have his foot soldiers like Kabaridi, doing the mop up.

Roundi hii ni shiriasss!!...Kibaki will pick a fight that he will have to leave for Uhuru to clean up coz the civil society is already up in arms. They not buying this...whatever Kibaki and the TA is selling.

The new Kenya!

Haha...am doing good mate, maybe u. Am just absorbing this shocks by our very learned fella Kabaridi; nothing against him if he serves under warranted instructions to defend even the kawaida non~defensible stuff.lol.

The county comissioners are illegal thus far but they are pushed down on Kenyans like crazy, wonder what Kabaridi finds enthustiastically thrilling in them.lol.

If it were my call which is borowed from the constitution, only justice, security and national defense cant be devolved and amenities such as power n like minded critical stuffs as such....izi zingine ni porojo tu.

I want to see tarmaked roads in my backyard Kabaridi, electrical penetration too which the central govt does selectively with perfection. I want a city plan with budgets on standby, i want my city to rival ua city. A robust county govt will hasten this penetration and growth which is good for the national basket in terms of GDP growth....money talks.....

 

[Mekatilili]

inside story...

the whole central government interference with county governments has everything to do with cord being in control of all strategic counties... Mombasa(port,tourism), machakos( konza city), nairobi( international gateway economic hub), kisumu,(international gateway ea strategic economic hub) migori,( international gateway to tz) busia(international gateway to ug) and turkana(oil county)....

cord's controls of all the economic heartbeat of the nation scares them like plague an exclusive coming up soon!.

 

[Janjaweed]

Thanks MWalimu nimekusoma

 

[The Boss]

Ina maana Mutua na Kibaki now hawaelewani ama?

 

[Mekatilili]

It is comical how some pull an Agwambo out of their hats and manage to twist the facts and arrive at an anti RAO stance at all costs! The constitution is very clear and even the "infallible" judiciary declared the county commissioners unconstitutional!

For a long time select regions prospered at the expense of others. Given Kenya's tribal conflict, development projects have been concentrated in the tribal homes of those in power and devolution is an attempt to right the wrong. The county commissioners that Kibaki is attempting to force down our throats are his cronies and the overwhelming majority are from Central Kenya. This is unacceptable and is the next battle front!

The central government has no business poking its nose in the county governments' business. The 85% should be reduced to 30 percent and their role should be the national defense, national infrastructure and ensuring uniform, educational, human rights and education standards. Everything else can be done well at the county level! For 50 years the "National government" fleas have sucked the rest of the country dry and it is time to end it!

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Thanks MWalimu nimekusoma

Karibu sana Ankal,...afu sasa nakuomba pia uwe unatinga humu ndani kutubwagia mchango wako na
usipotee mpaka wakati wa kura eti....lol. Unaona vile thread imenoga leo na wachangiaji kibao?.. We are
hoping to get keep the ones we have and get more as time goes by. Pamoja.

Swadaktaa.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Ina maana Mutua na Kibaki now hawaelewani ama?

Mazee yaani umenitoa maneno mdomoni...that is the biggest irony right now. Huyu bwana alipokua Govt
spokesman alitetea sana uhuni wa Rais Kibaki katika hili swala la devolution na kuwa-appoint wale County
Commissioners ambao mahakama ilisema walikua an illegal appointment by Kibaki.

Leo hii ni Gavana nd'o anaona walichokua wakisema wakenya at that time. He realises the post is just
ceremonial na ukitaka chochote lazima upitie through the County Commisioners ambao ni illegal
appointments wa Mzee Kibaki. We are now at a stalemate. Waliambiwa eti hawawezi kupeperusha
bendera nao wakagoma hio amri..sijui imeishia wapi.

Isaac Ruto ambaye kwa sasa ni gavana wa county fulani kule mitaa ya Bonde la Ufa leo amekereka mpaka
akasema wazi kua hizi County haziwezi kuendeshwa na mkono wa serikali jinsi Kibaki anavyofanya. Watu
nao wanamuuliza mbona asimwambie William Ruto ambaye ni makamu wa Rais ili hii mambo itatuliwe?
Tatizo ni kwamba mawazo ya Uhuru na ya Kibaki yako sawa. Mtafaruku wa kwanza huo ushaanza.

Wapili utajitokeza zaidi wakati wanateua Baraza la Mawaziri kila mpambe atakua anadai posho na wali
wenyewe hautoshi. Watu watakula njegere na kunwa maji safari hii...lol..Hamna pilau, biriani wala dagaa
za kutosha kila mtu. Harusi itaharibika mapemaaa!

Soma dondo la Mekatilili, hapo juu ndo utajua kwa nini Kibaki na watu wake wanasuasua na hii ishu.

Chezea ahadi za uongo za hawa mabwana!...utakonda!

 

[The Boss]

Mazee yaani umenitoa maneno mdomoni...that is the biggest irony right now. Huyu bwana alipokua Govt
spokesman alitetea sana uhuni wa Rais Kibaki katika hili swala la devolution na kuwa-appoint wale County
Commissioners ambao mahakama ilisema walikua an illegal appointment by Kibaki.

Leo hii ni Gavana nd'o anaona walichokua wakisema wakenya at that time. He realises the post is just
ceremonial na ukitaka chochote lazima upitie through the County Commisioners ambao ni illegal
appointments wa Mzee Kibaki. We are now at a stalemate. Waliambiwa eti hawawezi kupeperusha
bendera nao wakagoma hio amri..sijui imeishia wapi.

Isaac Ruto ambaye kwa sasa ni gavana wa county fulani kule mitaa ya Bonde la Ufa leo amekereka mpaka
akasema wazi kua hizi County haziwezi kuendeshwa na mkono wa serikali jinsi Kibaki anavyofanya. Watu
nao wanamuuliza mbona asimwambie William Ruto ambaye ni makamu wa Rais ili hii mambo itatuliwe?
Tatizo ni kwamba mawazo ya Uhuru na ya Kibaki yako sawa. Mtafaruku wa kwanza huo ushaanza.

Wapili utajitokeza zaidi wakati wanateua Baraza la Mawaziri kila mpambe atakua anadai posho na wali
wenyewe hautoshi. Watu watakula njegere na kunwa maji safari hii...lol..Hamna pilau, biriani wala dagaa
za kutosha kila mtu. Harusi itaharibika mapemaaa!

Soma dondo la Mekatilili, hapo juu ndo unatjua kwa nini Kibaki na watu wake wanasuasua na hii ishu.

Chezea ahadi za uongo za hawa mabwana!...utakonda!

Hawajui better decisins ni bora kwa kila mtu
sio mpaka wewe ukae uone inakugusa
funny Kenyans lol

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

inside story...

That quote makes perfect sense...and Im waiting on your exclusive....:wink:

My question to them is why the panic? This is something Kenyans asked for in good faith and made
sure it was embedded in the Constitution...now they wanna make a U-turn! Somebody needs to
tell them the train left the station a while ago and we need to move on.

They cannot stop the Governors who were duly elected by the people and have already been sworn
in and are working. I gather today Kidero sucked some 4 people in City Hall over issues with revenue
collection....and the collections for today tripled!...kazi imeanza sasa and people wanna take Kenya
back to the dark ages of one Jomo Kenyatta and killing of the Federal Government set up by the
Lancaster Constitution.

Sample this:

Following the Lancaster house conference a coalition government involving both KANU and KADU was formed. And by July 1962,
Kenya was already developing a sense of national purpose as signified by the decision by Kenyatta and Ngala to hold the first
'Kenya we want' Convention in August 1962. At the convention various committees were formed to examine in detail different
different topics such as natural resources, land consolidation, education, economic development, the training of women, the
establishment of parastatals, tourism etc.

In April 1963, the Kenya Constitution, a 248-page document, was published. Several issues which had been left unresolved from the 1962 Conference, such as powers of the regions, the distribution of revenue, the central government's ability or otherwise to dictate to the regions and the percentage needed in the Senate and Lower House to amend the Constitution were to be dealt with at the final Constitutional Conference which was to be held in London in September 1963 to settle the final form of the Kenyan Constitution.

http://books.google.com/books?id=AmFVjigwkxwC&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=lancaster+house+conference+kenya&source=bl&ots=6SLY9ZaFbA&sig=c7fUu2t5Y9zPl0x4eEkqeUDh7cE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IaBcUZfuJuaDywGutIHYCw&ved=0CGAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=lancaster%20house%20conference%20kenya&f=false



Majimbo Constitution and its collapse

President Jomo Kenyatta.


TheMajimbo constitution was a system which was intended to replace a highly centralized bureaucratic polity which the colonial administration had been. It fundamentally altered the structure of power both at the centre and in localities.

At the national level was the House of Representatives and the Senate instead of a single legislature of the colonial era. Besides a Regional assembly was established at the regional level with a responsibility to make laws either unilaterally or in conjunction with the Central Government over certain matters.

The Majimbo constitution was made with provisions which the colonial masters believed could make it difficult to amend. In this provision the constitution stipulated that any change would require the support of two-thirds of the members of the House of Representatives in addition to four-fifths of the Senate.

Fortunately or unfortunately this was not to be as KANU the party that formed the government had majority members in both Houses. KANU was for a unitary government and as Jomo Kenyatta would later confess that they had to agree on the Majimbo because they did not want a delay in attaining independence. This is one of the major factors that contributed to the collapse of Majimbo.

http://harrystephenarunda.wordpress...-a-break-from-the-shackels-of-despotismmoism/

 

[Dr. Job]

I don't see how you arrive at this. Kindly enlighten us.

Here is another example if you may I thought Amos Kimunya was humbled when he lost the recent elections!Yesterday , he launched the National Transport & Safety Authority (NTSA) and its members are: Joseph Kamau Thuo, Carole Kariuki, Isaac Kamau and Karanja Kibicho. Who will tell Amos Kimunya that one tribe can never be "National"? Why is is he such a rabid tribalist? Why couldn't the nominees reject the appointment for being one tribe?
Geza Ulole,

Transport minister Amos Kimunya says matatu industry thrives 'on chaos'

Transport minister Amos Kimunya during the launch of the National Transport and Safety Authority at Intercontinental Hotel Nairobi April 3, 2013. He dismissed matatu groups as "people thriving on chaos" ANTHONY OMUYA


By PETER OBUYA potieno@ke.nationmedia.com
Posted Wednesday, April 3 2013 at 12:30

Transport minister Amos Kimunya on Wednesday dismissed matatu groups as "people thriving on chaos" after a public spat over the composition of the National Transport and Safety Authority (NTSA) board.

The two clashed during the launch of the authority presided over by the minister at the Intercontinental Hotel, Nairobi following the matatu owners' demands that their grievances be heard before the authority could be officially launched.

And after attempts by the board's chairman Joseph Thuo failed to calm down the matatu groups' officials, Transport Permanent secretary Karanja Kibicho ordered everyone who "has grievances with the authority" to walk out. This forced the matatu industry players to storm out.

Mr Kimunya, who watched the whole episode play out before him, termed the matatu groups as "a people used to thriving on chaos".

"I had expected them to resist because for people thriving on chaos, it is hard to accept order. But we will sort them out with the regulations," the minister said.

Transport minister Amos Kimunya says matatu industry thrives 'on chaos' - News - nation.co.ke

 

[Dr. Job]

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[Dr. Job]

Fight for more power, Raila urges governors

Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Wednesday warned of an elaborate attempt to kill devolution even as governors from across the country demanded to meet President-elect Uhuru Kenyatta over the matter.

Mr Odinga urged governors and senators to unite in defence of devolution, warning that gains made in the Constitution that ushered in devolved governments could be lost.

The PM warned of attempts to undermine governors to dilute devolution, a system he said was being opposed by some government insiders.

He asked the government to allow governors to take over the offices currently occupied by provincial and county commissioners, saying that it was sad that some civil servants were humiliating governors.

"As a coalition, we stand strongly for the full and undiluted devolution of powers and resources to the counties," said Mr Odinga. "That is why I want to call on all governors and county assembly members, regardless of party, to hold their ground, stand firm and demand to be given the full space and mandate to implement the devolution agenda for their voters"

He also urged senators to immediately initiate demands for full funding for devolved governments.

In Naivasha, where all the 47 heads of county governments were attending a workshop, they demanded an urgent meeting with the President-elect Kenyatta and his deputy, Mr William Ruto, get their commitment on devolved governments.

They have also expressed alarm at the manner in which the Treasury allocated Sh9.8 billion and then dictated how the money that the counties will spend over the next three months will be used.

Speaking on the sidelines of their first meeting, which is going on at the Great Rift Valley Lodge, the governors said they had sent messages to Mr Kenyatta asking for the meeting.

"We would like to know from him what he intends to do to ensure that there is immediate implementation of the procedures of devolution," said Mr Isaac Ruto, the governor for Bomet.

He said the main agenda at the first meeting of the governors was to ensure success of the system that took effect with the election of governors and county assembly representatives on March 4.

"He (Mr Kenyatta) committed himself to implementation, it is very clear in the manifesto and I think it is very important and incumbent on him to assure the governors that we intend to travel this road together," Mr Ruto said.

Mr Kinuthia Wamwangi, who heads the Transition Authority, on Tuesday said that a meeting between Mr Kenyatta and the governors would be convened immediately he is sworn in.

Mr Ruto said statements from President Kibaki on Tuesday, when he officially opened the conference, were "disastrous" and suggested the lack of political goodwill to ensure devolution works.

On Tuesday, the governors were angry at the President's insistence that despite the devolution of political power to the counties, Kenya remains a unitary state.

"There is no unitary government in Kenya. We are simply in one republic called Kenya and the territory of Kenya is divided into 47 counties, and Kenya is a multi-party state and a sovereign state. That sovereignty is exercised at the national and county governments," said Mr Ruto.

Wednesday was the meeting's second working day and the governors embarked on a series of workshops to guide them on how to run the governments they now head.

In another tent nearby, the county speakers, their deputies, county clerks and interim clerks gathered for training on how the county assemblies ought to be run.

Fight for more power, Raila urges governors - Politics - nation.co.ke

 

[Dr. Job]

Very heavy statement right here:

"There is no unitary government in Kenya. We are simply in one republic called Kenya and the territory of Kenya is divided into 47 counties, and Kenya is a multi-party state and a sovereign state. That sovereignty is exercised at the national and county governments," said Mr Ruto.

 

[Dr. Job]

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[Dr. Job]

 

[bagamoyo]

Janjaweed,

heshima mbele mkuu.

Wewe inaonekana ni mgeni humu 'Jerusalemu'....:wink:.

Historia ya huu ukumbi ni kwamba kwa asilimia kubwa hua hamna wachangiaji na utakuta mie ndie ninayeanzisha
nyuzi zaidi ya asilimia 50%. Lengo letu ni kujaribu kuongeza idadi ya wachangiaji kulingana na nyuzi
tunazoanzisha. Katika hiki kipindi cha kura ndio kidogo idadi ya watu iliongezeka lakini kulikuwemo kadhaa
waliokua wanakuja kuanzisha nyuzi za porojo na zisizokua na hoja za maana kujadiliwa. Hapo ndipo nikaanza
ku-stick thread ambazo niliona kua zinaleta msimumuko wa hoja na kuwa-interest watu. Ukirudia nilipoanzia usemi
wangu utakuta kua mimi ndie muanzilishe wa hizo ya baadhi ya hizo nyuzi and naturally it would look like 'abuse'
to you.

Kwa sasa kipindi cha kura kimeisha na watu wamesepa na nimebaki humu na wachangiaji wa kawaida ambao kwa
hesabu yangu hawazidi hata saba. Natoa changamoto kwako pia uwe unatuzuru mara kwa mara ukitupa hoja muhimu
za kuchangia. Kuna baadhi ya members ambao hupitia humu kama 'kumepwaya' na unawakuta wakitoa kauli kua
'tufunge hili Jukwaa la Wakenya maana wabongo hawalimaindi'...nami napiga hio hoja chini kwa kuzidi kutundika
thread.

Asante kwa mtazamo wako na nadhani nimekuelewesha kidogo....pole pole tutafika tu!

Tuzidi kuwasiliana.

Ab-Titchaz.

Ab -Titchaz,
Nakuunga mkono, Jukwaa hili mahususi kwa masuala ya Kenya ni muhimu sana kuendelea kuwepo , kwani inatusaidia kufahamu yanayotendeka kwa jirani zetu walio ndani ya EAC na hivyo inatuongezea ufahamu wa mindset, vision, dreams, siasa, n.k.

Maana kila watu na tabia zao hivyo ukielewa kwa undani tabia. desturi, tamaduni n.k za nchi jirani inakuwa rahisi sana kujua namna ya kunufaika katika nyanja mbalimbali.

Wadau wasisahau watu wa mataifa ya mbali kama USA, UK , Iran n.k hutumia muda mwingi kufahamu watu wanaofungamana nao iwe ktk biashara mfano mikakati ya kulinda njia za bahari kupata mafuta kuendesha uchumi wao n.k

Hivyo jukwa la Kenya politics/Kenya News ni sehemu ya kukusanya taarifa mbalimbali ambazo m-Tanzania atafaidika akitaka kuingia Kenya kibiashara, kijamii, kiuchumi n.k au kwa maana nyingine ni kuwa JamiiForums ina -archive 'history' ambayo itatumika kumsaidia mwana-Jamiiforums/Mtanzania kufanya maamuzi sahihi.

 

[Kigogo]

Odinga is a pensioner