Ethiopia denies signing deal on construction of pipeline

[Livale]

Desperation ya Kenyatta means something else to me ........

Hii inaitwa "struggle for the fittest"... Long time economical supremacy ya Kenya ilichangiwa na kutokuwa na strong & competitive economical rivals lakini kwa sasa time imebadilika maana ile dominance yake katika horticultural products, airline,tourism , industrial product etc.. Is threatened by its neighbours especially Tanzania and ethiopia

Ndo maana ninaona anajitahidi kuendeleza mazingira rafiki kwa multinational investment from physical infrastructures, technology and education...

Kenyatta anakumbana na wakati mgumu kiuchumi pengine kuliko hata Marais waliopita hivyo, desperation ni lazma iwepo

Kenya has close to 50m people, an area of 580,000sq km, À gdp of just around 65bn, a paved road length of around 20,000km, a pipeline length of around 1000km.

Now compare the above to France, it has around 10m more people, same area but similarities end there. A gdp 38 times that of Kenya, paved road length 50 times that of Kenya and a pipeline 32 times that of Kenya!

Ukiona serikali ya Kenya yajaribu kujenga barabara hapa, kupiga dili la bomba la mafuta hapo, kukuza uchumi kwa njia ya mikopo Ili kufadhili ujenzi pale, meaningful competition from any surrounding country is hardly the cause of that considering no country around Kenya exports anything close to the value of what they import from kenya. And they export largely unprocessed cereals and import petroleum products, processed foodstuffs and cement from the country.

Necessity is what drives things like vision 2030 na kama nchi jirani zetu ni any wiser, they should have grander plans, clearer strategies and more aggressiveness and action than any vision implementation Kenya has. That is because all are worse off development wise than kenya, yet Kenya compared to similar sized France is extremely impoverished so you can just imagine how most of her neighborhood nations fare

 

[Eyce]

Kenya has close to 50m people, an area of 580,000sq km, À gdp of just around 65bn, a paved road length of around 20,000km, a pipeline length of around 1000km.

Now compare the above to France, it has around 10m more people, same area but similarities end there. A gdp 38 times that of Kenya, paved road length 50 times that of Kenya and a pipeline 32 times that of Kenya!

Ukiona serikali ya Kenya yajaribu kujenga barabara hapa, kupiga dili la bomba la mafuta hapo, kukuza uchumi kwa njia ya mikopo Ili kufadhili ujenzi pale, meaningful competition from any surrounding country is hardly the cause of that considering no country around Kenya exports anything close to the value of what they import from kenya. And they export largely unprocessed cereals and import petroleum products, processed foodstuffs and cement from the country.

Necessity is what drives things like vision 2030 na kama nchi jirani zetu ni any wiser, they should have grander plans, clearer strategies and more aggressiveness and action than any vision implementation Kenya has. That is because all are worse off development wise than kenya, yet Kenya compared to similar sized France is extremely impoverished so you can just imagine how most of her neighborhood nations fare

I don't have to prove you wrong but let me show you a real picture that you aren't capable of seeing

Most of the statements from your above explanation were valid like a decade a go and are not valid today.....

Wakati nikikua... Karibia ya kila industrial product niliyoitumia was from Kenya even the best bread back then was from Kenya

Hata kutoka nje ya lake zone to dar lazma upitie Kenya.. Elimu bora ilikuwa Kenya , better shopping experience , huge city centres etc...... Yaani anything good was from Kenya..

Lakini kwa sasa only product ninayoitumia from Kenya is blue band na yenyewe naitumia nikikosa jamu au peanut butter ..
Everything napata nikiwa Tanzania
Je , hii hali ni njema kwa uchumi wa Kenya na ukitegemea sisi ni soko lenu kubwa LA bidhaa zenu ?????.....

Je, hii industrial policy na ufufuzi wa national airline kwa Tanzania ni jema kwa Kenya ??????.....

Je , wajua kuwa private sector na middle class ya Tanzania inakua kwa kasi kuliko nchi yoyote ukanda huu ?????...
What does this mean to Kenya's economy ?????.....

 

[Capulet]

I don't have to prove you wrong but let me show you a real picture that you aren't capable of seeing

Most of the statements from your above explanation were valid like a decade a go and are not valid today.....

Wakati nikikua... Karibia ya kila industrial product niliyoitumia was from Kenya even the best bread back then was from Kenya

Hata kutoka nje ya lake zone to dar lazma upitie Kenya.. Elimu bora ilikuwa Kenya , better shopping experience , huge city centres etc...... Yaani anything good was from Kenya..

Lakini kwa sasa only product ninayoitumia from Kenya is blue band na yenyewe naitumia nikikosa jamu au peanut butter ..
Everything napata nikiwa Tanzania
Je , hii hali ni njema kwa uchumi wa Kenya na ukitegemea sisi ni soko lenu kubwa LA bidhaa zenu ?????.....

Je, hii industrial policy na ufufuzi wa national airline kwa Tanzania ni jema kwa Kenya ??????.....

Je , wajua kuwa private sector na middle class ya Tanzania inakua kwa kasi kuliko nchi yoyote ukanda huu ?????...
What does this mean to Kenya's economy ?????.....

To a dimwitted hobo, it means that Kenya has just evaporated and you just conquered America! Congratulations!

 

[Livale]

Ndio, sikatai, industrial production si kwa Tanzania tu Bali pia hata Uganda imekua kwa kasi in the past decade. Lakini Hebu nikuulize, 10 years ago up to around 2014,was Tanzania even the largest export destination for Kenya? What was the value of imports from Kenya then and now? And what is it that Kenya actually exports to Tanzania keeping in mind Kenya does not produce surplus agricultural products like cereals and where it does like in tea, you already have a surplus of it?

You see, your processing ability expanded but not in tandem with your population growth, leaving an exploitable gap. And as much as Tanzanian companies are growing rapidly, Kenya's private sector has a very high sophistication for a 3rd world nation hence an edge.

In this whole continent, it is only in Kenya where south African companies were out competed and unable to outrun local firms in virtually every sector. Na hata huko Tanzania, Kenyan companies like nakumatt are buying out south African stores (shoprite).

But that wasn't even the main bone of contention, it was the fact that investment in infrastructure and doing trade deals all over is not out of desperation but because we need them given how far from the developed world we are, and it's no brainer, we are marginally better off than all our immediate neighbors hence they need even larger projects.

 

[that mken]

I don't have to prove you wrong but let me show you a real picture that you aren't capable of seeing

Most of the statements from your above explanation were valid like a decade a go and are not valid today.....

Wakati nikikua... Karibia ya kila industrial product niliyoitumia was from Kenya even the best bread back then was from Kenya

Hata kutoka nje ya lake zone to dar lazma upitie Kenya.. Elimu bora ilikuwa Kenya , better shopping experience , huge city centres etc...... Yaani anything good was from Kenya..

Lakini kwa sasa only product ninayoitumia from Kenya is blue band na yenyewe naitumia nikikosa jamu au peanut butter ..
Everything napata nikiwa Tanzania
Je , hii hali ni njema kwa uchumi wa Kenya na ukitegemea sisi ni soko lenu kubwa LA bidhaa zenu ?????.....

Je, hii industrial policy na ufufuzi wa national airline kwa Tanzania ni jema kwa Kenya ??????.....

Je , wajua kuwa private sector na middle class ya Tanzania inakua kwa kasi kuliko nchi yoyote ukanda huu ?????...
What does this mean to Kenya's economy ?????.....

we are in no way threatened do what you got to,vision 2030 is to end poverty and the betterment of our livelihood Tanzania is not in the subject so snap out of the fallacy we ain't competing

 

[Eyce]

Ndio, sikatai, industrial production si kwa Tanzania tu Bali pia hata Uganda imekua kwa kasi in the past decade. Lakini Hebu nikuulize, 10 years ago up to around 2014,was Tanzania even the largest export destination for Kenya? What was the value of imports from Kenya then and now? And what is it that Kenya actually exports to Tanzania keeping in mind Kenya does not produce surplus agricultural products like cereals and where it does like in tea, you already have a surplus of it?

You see, your processing ability expanded but not in tandem with your population growth, leaving an exploitable gap. And as much as Tanzanian companies are growing rapidly, Kenya's private sector has a very high sophistication for a 3rd world nation hence an edge.

In this whole continent, it is only in Kenya where south African companies were out competed and unable to outrun local firms in virtually every sector. Na hata huko Tanzania, Kenyan companies like nakumatt are buying out south African stores (shoprite).

But that wasn't even the main bone of contention, it was the fact that investment in infrastructure and doing trade deals all over is not out of desperation but because we need them given how far from the developed world we are, and it's no brainer, we are marginally better off than all our immediate neighbors hence they need even larger projects.

Kenya is just a lower middle income nation ....... Chini yake ni LDC like tz so, ni kama maskini waliopishana grade tu kutoka kwa paper economy maana najua kuwa wajua vigezo gani hutumika kutoa hizo title...

What I was tryin to show you is that .... Kenya's economical supremacy is reduced day by day in this region. Kumbuka kuwa main gear ya Kenya's economy ni private sector with little influence from the government which is really different from tz inwhich a government takes huge part in fuelling the growth of our economy..

The fact that Tanzania's private sector and middle income class grows rapidly "shows that Tanzania's economy is real promising".....

Tanzania haijawahi kuwa top export destination ya kenya but still it was a large market for both your products and investments...

Sijasema kuwa Kenya haiendelei au ipo stagnant lakini ukuaji wa kiuchumi sio mkubwa sana kulingana na nchi zinginezo katika ukanda huu na hii sio njema kwa uchumi wa Kenya , hivyo rais wenu ni lazma atafute alternative kama hizo kwa mfano Ethiopia INA watu kama 100 m hivyo, ni huge market kwenu kama mkiboresha miundombinu

 

[Eyce]

we are in no way threatened do what you got to,vision 2030 is to end poverty and the betterment of our livelihood Tanzania is not in the subject so snap out of the fallacy we ain't competing

That sleeping giant is no longer existing..its on the right move since early 1990's when capitalistic ideas were introduced again.....
Its almost 20 years now but we are still moving faster than before....
From the scratch to where we are....

Wishin you all the best of luck towards the fulfillment of your own vision as a nation...

 

[Capulet]

Comparative statistics are very funny. At face value, they can be taken to indicate one direction while they actually in reality mean something that is somehow very different!

If you have 10 000 shillings, and I have 1 000 shillings, statistically, you are 10 times richer than me. If we do a job and you are paid shillings 1000, your wealth has increased by a mere 10%. If I get paid shillings 400, statistically, my cash has increased by 40%! If a report was to be written, it would be taken to mean that I'm getting rich more quickly than you. But in reality, the gap between you and me has only widened, despite my situation having improved by 40%!

Kenya, Tanzania, Ethiopia, Sudan, etc, are minnows in matters of economy. All African countries, with the exception of only 3(perhaps), namely South Africa, Morrocco and Egypt, are true midgets! We should take our leaders to task in order for them to take us to the level of nations like Morrocco, or even Switzerland! Tanzania will never develop alone, neither will Kenya or any other country! We have to cooperate, whether we like one another or not! The sooner we realized this the sooner we stopped this silly and childish competition games, and the the better for our people! Long live East Africa!

 

[Livale]

Well stated capulet, aside from S.A, egypt & rather Algeria (has highest hdi and per capita of any major African economy) then Morocco, all others are really struggling.

Kenya is just a lower middle income nation ....... Chini yake ni LDC like tz so, ni kama maskini waliopishana grade tu kutoka kwa paper economy maana najua kuwa wajua vigezo gani hutumika kutoa hizo title...

What I was tryin to show you is that .... Kenya's economical supremacy is reduced day by day in this region. Kumbuka kuwa main gear ya Kenya's economy ni private sector with little influence from the government which is really different from tz inwhich a government takes huge part in fuelling the growth of our economy..

The fact that Tanzania's private sector and middle income class grows rapidly "shows that Tanzania's economy is real promising".....

Tanzania haijawahi kuwa top export destination ya kenya but still it was a large market for both your products and investments...

Sijasema kuwa Kenya haiendelei au ipo stagnant lakini ukuaji wa kiuchumi sio mkubwa sana kulingana na nchi zinginezo katika ukanda huu na hii sio njema kwa uchumi wa Kenya , hivyo rais wenu ni lazma atafute alternative kama hizo kwa mfano Ethiopia INA watu kama 100 m hivyo, ni huge market kwenu kama mkiboresha miundombinu

Well, I get what you're saying but I've also realized that as long as one stays largely in his/her country and hardly visits the others extensively and regularly, their views will be skewed in favor of their country. We both seem to be a victim of this.

What you're implying is that the edge Kenya had is long gone based on the ground change you see there. where as I'm saying there still is a significant difference between our two nations based on the rapid change I've seen over the years and massive expansion of most of our processing firms due to increased exports to Tanzania for instance. I think we should agree to disagree for now, nikishatembea vyema Tz which might be this year I'll know better. Nawe karibu Kenya.

 

[Eyce]

Well stated capulet, aside from S.A, egypt & rather Algeria (has highest hdi and per capita of any major African economy) then Morocco, all others are really struggling.

Well, I get what you're saying but I've also realized that as long as one stays largely in his/her country and hardly visits the others extensively and regularly, their views will be skewed in favor of their country. We both seem to be a victim of this.

What you're implying is that the edge Kenya had is long gone based on the ground change you see there. where as I'm saying there still is a significant difference between our two nations based on the rapid change I've seen over the years and massive expansion of most of our processing firms due to increased exports to Tanzania for instance. I think we should agree to disagree for now, nikishatembea vyema Tz which might be this year I'll know better. Nawe karibu Kenya.

Thanks bro and thats a good spirit of brotherhood....

Ukikaa nchi moja ni sawa na kufungua page moja ya kitabu ambayo ni dunia nzima..

 

[Koborer]

these guys thinks kusign mikataba ni kama kulima miraa!

This is all about business guys. In business you do not always clinch all the deals you make.
With Ethiopia we still have the railway and the road deals among many other projects. In fact the road deal is nearing completion and will open up trade with this northern neighbour. About the pipeline, this is just an addition to the various deals. Ethiopia has not even discovered oil yet so this one is still just a work in progress.
Business is good fellow members and Kenya is just following through with the neighbours. We have a lot with TZ, Uganda etc.
When one deal is lost out to a worthy neighbour like TZ, we simply dust ourselves and move on because that is part of life.

 

[Cicero]

Man Kenyans kwa kukurupuka hamjambo.......yaani hapa EA you are stuck with us mpende msipende!

 

[Livale]

Thanks bro and thats a good spirit of brotherhood....

Ukikaa nchi moja ni sawa na kufungua page moja ya kitabu ambayo ni dunia nzima..

True that, but I'm hardly stuck in one country friend, it's just that Tanzania hasn't been top of my travels. Been to dar 4 times and to a few of its major urban areas like mwanza, Arusha and zanzibar(liked its airport). It was a few years back so can't really say I 'know' Tanzania.

Kisha wale hufoka eti Kenya ni Nai tu, njoo nikupe à country wide tour usituke. In fact in my opinion, maisha ya the other big towns is better than in Nairobi juu slum ni nadra, jam hazipo juu ya good car to road ratio, they're a tad greener and hence cleaner, amazing small "thika roads" being built etc.

Man Kenyans kwa kukurupuka hamjambo.......yaani hapa EA you are stuck with us mpende msipende!

The same applies to many Tanzanians, in fact on a greater scale given their profound and unfounded hatred of Kenyans.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Kenya Ethiopian pipeline, no chance
Wanjala B. danson Jul 21, 2016 Geopolitics, News

By Wanjala Danson

The Kenyan government has said it signed memorandum of understanding with the Ethiopian government with no specifics on the construction of an oil pipeline from Kenya to Ethiopia.

It was after there was confusion about the MoU after the Ethiopia ministry of Mines, Petroleum and Natural Gas denied signing of a formal agreement on constructing a pipeline, contradicting an announcement on the matter by State House in Nairobi last month.

The Foreign Affairs Cabinet Secretary Amina Mohamed has stated that the agreement signed by Kenya and Ethiopia was on supplement the existing cooperation between the countries, including a memorandum of understanding on the entire energy sector.

“The two countries expressed a desire to advance the mutual benefit that the parties can draw by cooperating in the oil and gas sector,” she said.

The ministry of Energy and Petroleum Kenyan told the Sun Weekly that the ministry signed the MoU on gas with his Ethiopia counterpart.

“The Cabinet Sectary for Energy and Petroleum and his Ethiopian Counterpart signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) on oil and gas,” stated Eunice Muthamia from public communication department in the ministry.

“The progress on the Lokichar-Lamu Crude Oil Pipeline; Expression of Interest (EOI) for Front End Engineering Design (FEED) has already been done and preparation for Request for Proposal (RFP) is currently underway,” she added.

This include a MOU where the two countries will exchange information and ideas on oil and gas laws, policies, institutional framework, agreements among other regulatory framework.

The Reporter, an Ethiopian newspaper reported last week that an oil pipeline deal Ethiopia government signed with Kenya was only a commitment by both sides to assess the feasibility of the project.

“We did not sign a pipeline construction deal,” stated the minister, Tolossa Shagi told the Reporter.

“We have agreed to take some time to assess the matter. We will hold more talks and may ink a deal if we find the project proposal economically and technically sound. But I can confirm to you that we did not sign a pipeline construction agreement” he added.

He stated that Kenya presented the idea of a pipeline to his government, with Addis Ababa agreeing to assess its potential before committing to constructing it.

However, the information contradicted State House announcements when Ethiopia’s Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn visited Nairobi late last month which stated Kenya and Ethiopia signed a new deal on construction of an oil pipeline.

The deal is on the Lamu Port-South Sudan-Ethiopia Transport (Lapsset) project launched in 2012, which include linking roads between the two countries, an international airport in Isiolo town and a sea port in Lamu.

Kenya was to go for the construction of Lapsset alone after Uganda opted for Tanzania for its oil pipeline route and Rwanda also opted to use the Tanzania route for its standard gauge railway for transport projects.

The two countries argued it would be expensive to build through Kenya and also the issue of guaranteeing security arose.

The Kenyan and Ethiopian leaders signed five agreements on energy, animal health, education and sports said the commitment to Lapsset is still strong and vowed to speed up the construction.

The Kenyan media reported that an oil pipeline construction agreement was signed by Prime Minister Hailemariam and the Kenyan president Uhuru Kenyata.

According to the media report, the proposed pipeline would run all the way from Lamu to Addis Ababa.

However, the minister said that the government of Ethiopia agreed to evaluate the proposal thoroughly and may sign the deal by the end of 2016 if the proposal is economically and technically sound.

“Kenya has discovered oil reserves in different parts of the country. So we agreed to work on experience sharing and training. We signed an oil and gas cooperation agreement,” he said.

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