History not taught in schools: The fall of the EAC in 1977 and why Kenya & Tanzania have unending beef

[IAfrika]

"The East African Community is as dead as a dodo", Kenya's Minister for Power and Communications, Isaac Omolo Okero, informed Parliament. This was in June of 1977.

At the time, relations between Community member-states, viz. Tanzania, Uganda and Kenya were - thanks to mistrust and bitter differences in economic and socio-political ideology - at their lowest.

"Orphaned" by the differences existing among member states, and amid an acrimonious scramble for its assets by those countries, the EAC was no more.

But to understand how the EAC found itself in this situation, it would help to go back much further in time.

At the end of World War 1, the Germans lost the territory of Tanganyika to Great Britain. The latter retained administrative dominion over other geographical entities, namely Zanzibar, the East Africa Protectorate (i.e. Kenya) and Uganda.

In order to effectively administer over this vast area, the British rationalised some institutions with the aim of establishing administrative mandate across the said territories. For example, the East Africa Court of Appeal became the apex court over all of East Africa.

As time went by, more and more institutions dealing with public service of one kind or another were set up. These were put under the direct supervision of a body called the East African Governors Conference.

The Conference met regularly, co-chaired by Governors accredited to the territories of East Africa by Britain.
Then there was another war – World War II.

After the war, the cash-strapped colonial government undertook regional rationalisation of the many public corporations and entities again. Examples of institutions included The East Africa Railways and Harbours Corporation (later, EA Harbours, headquartered in Dar es Salaam, was hived off). Court of Appeal for East Africa, the East African Development Bank, East Africa Posts and Telecommunications, Trypanosomiasis Research Organisation, among others.

All institutions so created were managed under a Secretariat called the East Africa High Commission. The Commission was again overseen jointly by the three Governors of Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika.

In 1948, the East Africa Legislative Assembly (EALA), which exists to this day, was established. It comprised of 32 members then. The work of the Assembly was to debate and approve the High Commission’s annual budget.

Meanwhile, as the 1960s approached, agitation for independence of East African nations increased. Citing the historic ties that existed among East African communities, Tanganyika’s leader Julius Nyerere in 1960 called for an East African federation. To demonstrate his seriousness, he offered to delay.

..... his country’s independence so Uganda, Kenya and Tanganyika could attain independence simultaneously.
Uganda did not see things in the way Nyerere did. To many of them, independence would be an opportunity for them to reaffirm the sovereignty of their Buganda monarchy.

Just before Kenya gained independence in 1963, Mzee Kenyatta invited Mwalimu Nyerere and Uganda’s leader, Milton Obote, to Nairobi for talks on the proposed East Africa Federation.

Many scholars believe Kenya’s leader Mzee Jomo Kenyatta was not quite supportive of a federation, but was feigning support for it as a way of testing London’s resolve to grant Kenya independence.

Nonetheless, a statement released after talks by the leaders read (partly) as follows:

“We, the leaders of the people and governments of East Africa, assembled in Nairobi on June 5, 1963, pledge ourselves to the political federation of East Africa, we believe that East African Federation can be a practical step towards the goal of Panafrican unity….”

The leaders also set a target of end of December 1963 as the date by when they would put in place the necessary legal infrastructure for the establishment of a political federation. Indeed, a Committee was formed to prepare the proposed Federation’s draft Constitution.
However, by early 1964, negotiations over the Constitution collapsed. The blame was laid on matters that many considered trivial. For example, Tanzania and Kenya disagreed on the powers and structure of the proposed EA Central Bank.

Kenya was also seen as a partner that disproportionately had industrial advantage over the other two countries. It is noteworthy that by 1964 the country accounted for 70% of the value of goods manufactured in East Africa.

When in 1965 President Jomo Kenyatta declined to sign the Mbale Agreement, an affirmative action move intended to protect industries of the other two weaker economies, Tanzania immediately imposed tariffs on some Kenyan goods.
Confusion reigned.

In a bid to forestall the region’s disintegration, a Commission was formed in 1965 to look into the grievances of Uganda and Tanzania.

The Commission was chaired by former Danish Finance Minister Kjeld Phillip. In Arusha in June of 1967, the Phillip Commission’s recommendations were adopted. They inter alia proposed the establishment of an economic community – the East Africa Community. There was no reference made to a political federation.

The East Africa Development Bank, the Commission further proposed, would offer compensation to Uganda and Tanzania for keeping their markets open to Kenyan goods. Moreover, all public services that existed e.g. EA Airways, EA Railways and Harbours, etc would be placed.

... under the management of the EAC Secretariat.

In 1971, just when the nascent EAC was riding on the wave of this new-found rapprochement, there was a coup in Uganda.
The military in Uganda under General Idi Amin took over the reins in Kampala. Senior officials who served in the Ugandan government, including Obote himself, were granted safe asylum by Nyerere.

Inevitably, relations between Kampala and Dar es Salaam soured. Amin accused Nyerere of harbouring Uganda’s enemies. On his part, Nyerere vowed that he would never sit on the same table with Amin.

This new hostility created a challenge. The three East African presidents, who were jointly the highest decision-making body (East African Authority they called it), did not meet at all as EAC leaders.

....between 1971 – which is when Amin became military ruler of Uganda - and 1977, in effect turning the Community to a rudder-less ship in the high seas.

Relations between capitalist Kenya and socialist Tanzania also turned cold in 1974 when Dar not only nationalized some of the EAC’s assets, but also unilaterally imposed tariffs on Kenyan goods. Nyerere also ordered the closure of the border with Kenya.
It remained closed – at least officially - for nearly a decade.

It was during this time that Nyerere is reported to have accused Kenya of being a “man-eat-man society”. Kenya’s Attorney-General at the time, Charles Njonjo, shot back, terming Tanzania a “man-eat-nothing society”.

In October of 1978, which was just weeks after Amin and Nyerere had attended Mzee Kenyatta’s funeral in Nairobi, the Ugandan strongman ordered his troops to invade Tanzania’s Kagera border region.

Amin hoped to teach Ugandan rebels holed up in Tanzania a lesson. But the Tanzanian army responded strongly to the invasion. By April of 1979, Tanzanian troops had overran Uganda, toppling Amin in the process.

By around this time, the EAC was akin to an unkempt palace looted and left derelict by its former owners. Not even mediation efforts by William Demas, a Trinidadian former Secretary General of the Caribbean Community – CARICOM – could secure any hopes of a revival.

The last nail on the coffin was when Kenya impounded assets of the East African Airways and created its own national airline, Kenya Airways.

In conclusion, it is worth pointing out that a number of countries in the region actually applied to join the EAC. These were Zambia, Ethiopia, Burundi and Somalia.

Things were so bad in the Community that Nyerere, Kenyatta and Obote/Amin never found occasion to review and endorse applications by the said countries.

Side note : In 1976 Europe come to EAC to benchmark on integration

Looking back in time, do you think history will repeat itself on the EAC?

Answer IAfrika: Yes, if we don't adopt the East Africa Federation that we were to adopt on June 5 1963.

Credits: "The East African Community is as dead as a dodo", Kenya's Minister for Power and Communication

 

[Kevin85ify]

east african federation is now impossible. It is not likely that Kenyans will agree with the federation without some serious financial, social and political changes in the federation. A federation means economic and social integration. The hardest parts to reconcile will be the economic models. Kenya relies more on a private market driven economy while all her neighbors rely on government driven growth. Kenya has more democratic space than all her neighbors who are currently under dictatorships.

If we are to make a federation then very critical changes need to be made to accomodate the Vision of Kenya, economically,socially and politically.

 

[IAfrika]

east african federation is now impossible. It is not likely that Kenyans will agree with the federation without some serious financial, social and political changes in the federation. A federation means economic and social integration. The hardest parts to reconcile will be the economic models. Kenya relies more on a private market driven economy while all her neighbors rely on government driven growth. Kenya has more democratic space than all her neighbors who are currently under dictatorships.
If we are to make a federation then very critical changes need to be made to accomodate the Vision of Kenya, economically,socially and politically.

I would not say a Federation or a stronger political Union by any name is impossible especially now when EAC is the process of writing a draft Confederation constitution. It is actually more possible than ever. For Kenyans now and any East African, it all depends on how the political Union is structured.

East Africans are more economically and socially integrated than many East Africans would like to appreciate because EAC is the most integrated region in Africa and since formation of EAC 20 years ago all countries have experienced increase in trade among each other and economic development. Socially we have Kiswahili and associated African cultures that are not so distinct.

The structure of the economies are not so different even though the economies are at different levels of development depending on the economic yardstick you are using. Right now we have two middle income economies in EAC, something we didn't have 10 years ago or one year ago. For 20 years now, all the E. African countries have committed to run free market economies under EAC treaty, obviously each country is at a different level of that. The cold war era, Kenya is Capitalist, Uganda is for peoples charter and Tanzania is socialist does not apply nowadays the way it used to years ago.

All the E. African countries are some sort of democracies where if raise your head above ground more than you are supposed to you will either be knocked back down or it will get cut off. But not being the best democracies in the world cannot be an impediment to political integration since we are not integrating because we are perfect but because we seek to be more perfect.

The changes you allude to can be made by an external but local entity like a federation that many E. Africa are sceptic about. That is why the remaining integration milestone which is political integration depends entirely on the structure of confederation that is being drafted. Some of the questions to ask is whether it is people centred or will it give more power to the politician(central president) or the rotational president who does not have the mandate from the people. If it can be people centred where they elect their leaders directly then it will gain favour with more East Africans.

For example if people can be directly involved in voting for senators and their representatives instead of politicians sending their relatives to EALA most people will support that. But the way most confederations are set up like the EU, it will still involve the strong participation of presidents and the council of ministers in decision making at the confederate level for a period of time. How duties, rights, benefits and power will be shared/distributed among the people, their leaders, their states and The Union in the constitution will have a great bearing on whether the people, businesses, their leaders and their states will remain fearful of the federation or put aside their fears and embrace unity and integrate into one nation.

We can only move forward, because we cannot go back or stay in the same place, but at what speed?

 

[Hero]

east african federation is now impossible. It is not likely that Kenyans will agree with the federation without some serious financial, social and political changes in the federation. A federation means economic and social integration. The hardest parts to reconcile will be the economic models. Kenya relies more on a private market driven economy while all her neighbors rely on government driven growth. Kenya has more democratic space than all her neighbors who are currently under dictatorships.

If we are to make a federation then very critical changes need to be made to accomodate the Vision of Kenya, economically,socially and politically.

You are so simple minded individual! Your opinion are totally nonsensical! Who told you Tanzania regime follow doctorship governance! You should pay a visit to Tanzania and learn some few things my friend! The impetus that that is pushing for EA federation agenda has constantly been evolving:

 

[pingli-nywee]

east african federation is now impossible. It is not likely that Kenyans will agree with the federation without financial, social and political changes in the federation. A federation means economic and social integration. The hardest parts to reconcile will be the economic models. Kenya relies more on a private market driven economy her neighbors rely on government driven growth. Kenya has more democratic space than all her neighbors who are currently under dictatorships.

If we are to make a federation then very critical changes need to be made to accomodate the Vision of Kenya, economically,socially and politically.

Why lie, we have nothing in common except common borders. 'Federation' ya aina yoyote ile ya nchi za A.M haitaiongezea Kenya chochote wala haitaiwezesha nchi ya Kenya kufanya chochote ambacho hatujalifanya tayari. Isipokuwa kujikokota kwa pamoja, kuhujumiana na kurudishana nyuma hadi kwenye enzi za giza ambazo Kenya ilifanikiwa kujinasua.

 

[Kevin85ify]

You are so simple minded individual! Your opinion are totally nonsensical! Who told you Tanzania regime follow doctorship governance! You should pay a visit to Tanzania and learn some few things my friend! The impetus that that is pushing for EA federation agenda has constantly been evolving:

Do you have an idea what a federation means? It means political, economic and social integration including a single currency. This is a pipe dream.

i) Tanzania is a dictatorship (Brutalizing opposition members,Arresting and jailing journalists if they do not report government narrative, suppression of free speech are all signs of a dictatorship, not democracy).

ii) A simple item like free movement of capital and labor forwarded by Kenya faced opposition from Tanzania at the eac, whose leaders were paranoid that Kenyans would take jobs and land from Tanzanians. It is the reason why only Uganda and Rwanda came on board on free movement of labor and capital without work permits.Tanzania and burundi refused to sign. This very same blind nationalism drove a schism to develop when major world organizations and companies decided to use Kenya as the hub of eac. What Tanzania did not forsee is that if movement of labor is allowed Tanzanians would be able to find well paying jobs in Kenya in the same companies setting up shop in Kenya.

iii) Tariffs and nontariff barriers: Tanzania has mastered the art of introducing barriers to trade, anytime it does not feel comfortable with a resolution. The main target is usually manufactured goods from Kenya. Tanzania also refused to discuss with Uganda on tariffs at the port of dar. Contrast that with how Kenya has dealt with Naivasha port issue. Uganda raised concerns and Kenya addressed the issues like a marshalling yard etc before it got to the eac secretariat and now Uganda and Kenya are reading from one script.

iv) Culture: The biggest obstacle is culture. Uganda and Kenya work well due to a long history of a common language (english), a long time private sector driven market. Ugandans are very aggressive in trade, a similar culture exists in Kenya.

v) Arrogance: During this pandemic Tanzania has shown itself to be a very arrogant partner in the eac. Calls by the current Chairperson of the eac (Kagame) to discuss on the way forward during this pandemic to discuss trade and movement, fell on deaf ears to the leaders of Tanzania and Burundi. Only Uganda,Kenya and Rwanda were always attending.


vi) Blind Nationalism: Here Tanzania is a culprit again always introducing reasons to block products from other eac countries to protect local industries that somehow never grow. A case study is how Kenya worked within Comesa framework to support the sugar industries, this is how countries engage in disputes not coming up with arbitrary rules that do not make sense.

vii) education: While Kenya and Uganda have a long history of cooperation in education, the same can not be said of Tanzania and burundi. Rwanda has come on board and now they have modelled their education system after Kenya and Uganda.

Now look at the above few reasons and think if a federation is possible in the next 50 years. This is the trend Uganda, Rwanda and Kenya try to move 2 steps forward but Tanzania and Burundi always find a way of pulling us back another 2 steps. Leaving only Rwanda, Uganda and Kenya as the only countries that really want to cooperate.

 

[Kevin85ify]

I would not say a Federation or a stronger political Union by any name is impossible especially now when EAC is the process of writing a draft Confederation constitution. It is actually more possible than ever. For Kenyans now and any East African, it all depends on how the political Union is structured.

East Africans are more economically and socially integrated than many East Africans would like to appreciate because EAC is the most integrated region in Africa and since formation of EAC 20 years ago all countries have experienced increase in trade among each other and economic development. Socially we have Kiswahili and associated African cultures that are not so distinct.

The structure of the economies are not so different even though the economies are at different levels of development depending on the economic yardstick you are using. Right now we have two middle income economies in EAC, something we didn't have 10 years ago or one year ago. For 20 years now, all the E. African countries have committed to run free market economies under EAC treaty, obviously each country is at a different level of that. The cold war era, Kenya is Capitalist, Uganda is for peoples charter and Tanzania is socialist does not apply nowadays the way it used to years ago.

All the E. African countries are some sort of democracies where if raise your head above ground more than you are supposed to you will either be knocked back down or it will get cut off. But not being the best democracies in the world cannot be an impediment to political integration since we are not integrating because we are perfect but because we seek to be more perfect.

The changes you allude to can be made by an external but local entity like a federation that many E. Africa are sceptic about. That is why the remaining integration milestone which is political integration depends entirely on the structure of confederation that is being drafted. Some of the questions to ask is whether it is people centred or will it give more power to the politician(central president) or the rotational president who does not have the mandate from the people. If it can be people centred where they elect their leaders directly then it will gain favour with more East Africans.

For example if people can be directly involved in voting for senators and their representatives instead of politicians sending their relatives to EALA most people will support that. But the way most confederations are set up like the EU, it will still involve the strong participation of presidents and the council of ministers in decision making at the confederate level for a period of time. How duties, rights, benefits and power will be shared/distributed among the people, their leaders, their states and The Union in the constitution will have a great bearing on whether the people, businesses, their leaders and their states will remain fearful of the federation or put aside their fears and embrace unity and integrate into one nation.

We can only move forward, because we cannot go back or stay in the same place, but at what speed?

Being an optimist is not bad and in fact we need optimists to provide some check on realists, but I hold one major concern.
states act on self interest. states live in a hobbesian world of all against all in the state of nature, without much in terms of mutual interest. Given that this is the case, How pray do tell, will the quite divergent interests of Tanzania and Kenya be reconciled when we can not agree on something as simple as free movement of capital and labor without tariffs and non tariff barriers? Kenya proposed free movement of capital and labor without work permits and Tanzania rejected that proposal.

Kenya proposed that east africa citizens should be able to buy land anywhere in east africa without inhibition and Tanzania rejected that proposal too.

 

[Hero]

Do you have an idea what a federation means? It means political, economic and social integration including a single currency. This is a pipe dream.

i) Tanzania is a dictatorship (Brutalizing opposition members,Arresting and jailing journalists if they do not report government narrative, suppression of free speech are all signs of a dictatorship, not democracy).

ii) A simple item like free movement of capital and labor forwarded by Kenya faced opposition from Tanzania at the eac, whose leaders were paranoid that Kenyans would take jobs and land from Tanzanians. It is the reason why only Uganda and Rwanda came on board on free movement of labor and capital without work permits.Tanzania and burundi refused to sign. This very same blind nationalism drove a schism to develop when major world organizations and companies decided to use Kenya as the hub of eac. What Tanzania did not forsee is that if movement of labor is allowed Tanzanians would be able to find well paying jobs in Kenya in the same companies setting up shop in Kenya.

iii) Tariffs and nontariff barriers: Tanzania has mastered the art of introducing barriers to trade, anytime it does not feel comfortable with a resolution. The main target is usually manufactured goods from Kenya. Tanzania also refused to discuss with Uganda on tariffs at the port of dar. Contrast that with how Kenya has dealt with Naivasha port issue. Uganda raised concerns and Kenya addressed the issues like a marshalling yard etc before it got to the eac secretariat and now Uganda and Kenya are reading from one script.

iv) Culture: The biggest obstacle is culture. Uganda and Kenya work well due to a long history of a common language (english), a long time private sector driven market. Ugandans are very aggressive in trade, a similar culture exists in Kenya.

v) Arrogance: During this pandemic Tanzania has shown itself to be a very arrogant partner in the eac. Calls by the current Chairperson of the eac (Kagame) to discuss on the way forward during this pandemic to discuss trade and movement, fell on deaf ears to the leaders of Tanzania and Burundi. Only Uganda,Kenya and Rwanda were always attending.


vi) Blind Nationalism: Here Tanzania is a culprit again always introducing reasons to block products from other eac countries to protect local industries that somehow never grow. A case study is how Kenya worked within Comesa framework to support the sugar industries, this is how countries engage in disputes not coming up with arbitrary rules that do not make sense.

vii) education: While Kenya and Uganda have a long history of cooperation in education, the same can not be said of Tanzania and burundi. Rwanda has come on board and now they have modelled their education system after Kenya and Uganda.

Now look at the above few reasons and think if a federation is possible in the next 50 years. This is the trend Uganda, Rwanda and Kenya try to move 2 steps forward but Tanzania and Burundi always find a way of pulling us back another 2 steps. Leaving only Rwanda, Uganda and Kenya as the only countries that really want to cooperate.

You seem to be really pissed off...Unfortunately for you, Tanzania has always been correct...no dashing!

1) You sound to be more dictator than our Tanzania regime by all proportion! And I bet you really don't know the meaning of democracy (only narrated brainwashed version of democracy exists in your mind).

If you still have sanity in your mind you 'll examine closely to what is happening around the globe and within Kenya 1st.

What democracy that exists in Kenya...seriously, you have audacity to claim Kenya is democratic!? It may be democratic to thieves may be!?

2)You iterated that our leaders are paranoid about land and job, well, you can't deny that there's serious issues that need to be addressed, in particular, the most critical of them all is land. It goes without saying that Tanzania's neighboring EA countries are under serious land crisis, and they are eyeing at seizing any opportunity to grab Tanzania's land as a relief to their long-standing triabal seated land issues! So there is serious mistrust as to what is the real motive behind such push towards federation. Furthermore, especially Kenyans are too aggressive and untrustworthy individuals, they should be restricted to their own country!

As long as this EA federation exclude land, the federation 'll that tàke effect immediately, with Tanzanian as a willing partner! Can you explain to what happen to the coalition of the willing!? The problem has been the same, mistrust everywhere, much so among triapartite states!
Tanzania has always been vigilant when it come EAC since we don't want to be exploited twice by Kenya!

You guys always eager to trick Tanzania into a trap with special emphasise on land, something that will not happen in foreseeable future!

3) You should know well, Tanzanians are "ndugu", but you guys are too selfish tribalistic centered individual, especially Kenyans. You can't even embrace each other, not to mention fellow EAC member, but only to grab opportunities, and you pretentious though! Such awkward culture must change if you should dream for EA federation!

4) Arrogance: seriously! By taking a different stance on issue that doesn't have solution you consider it Arrogance!? Really!? By considering what is good for our people, you consider it as Arrogance! Well, you chose to follow your colonial masters orders slavishly...and you are willing to copy and paste every stupid prescriptions from them because you are not confident on yourselves...you just dance to all tunes as long as it's from your colonial masters.

Tanzania refusing to apply brutal Lock down/curfew to her citizen and devising more practical methods you consider it Arrogance! Well we are masters of our own destiny! Our beloved president Magufuli helped us to pass through safely during corona pandemic without deploying army to beat up civilians! As a citizen, and on behalf of all Tanzanians citizens, I apploud his commendable efforts! Whatever Kagame said, it has nothing to do with us as Tanzanians, it remains as his own opinion! As Tanzanians, since we believe in freedom of speech, there we go, he is entitled to it! You guys you really need to liberate your mind, you are brainwashed to believe everything those colonial masters of yours dish- out and yet you dont trust your own, this is utterly rubbish.

5) You don't know a thing about nationalization. You may dwarf our modest industrialization effort, but rest assured, we are at take off mode ! You just wait two years or so to come you ' LL see if you 'll have gut to utter such nonsense!

6) We as Tanzanians 're contented by progress made in our education system. As you might be aware by now, we as Tanzanians we don't do copy and paste, we customize our education system so that in near future you 'll not lack some place to copy and paste since that is your area of your specialty!

 

[Kifaru_07]

You have conf

You seem to be really pissed off...Unfortunately for you, Tanzania has always been correct...no dashing!
1) You sound to be more dictator than our Tanzania regime by all proportion! And I bet you really don't know the meaning of democracy (only narrated brainwashed version of democracy exists in your mind).

If you still have sanity in your mind you 'll examine closely to what is happening around the globe.

What democracy that exists in Kenya...serious, you have audacity to claim Kenya is democratic!? To thieves may be!?

2)You iterated that our leaders are paranoid about land and job well, you can't deny that there's serious issues that need to be addressed, in particular, the most critical of them all is land. It goes without saying that Tanzania's neighboring EA countries are under serious land crisis, and they are eyeing at seizing any opportunity to grab Tanzania's land as a relief to their long-standing triabal seated land issues! So there is serious mistrust as to what is the real motive behind such push towards federation. Furthermore, especially Kenyans are too aggressive and untrustworthy individuals, they should be restricted to their own country!

As long as this EA federation exclude land, the federation that tàke effect with Tanzanian as willing partner! Can you explain to what happen to the coalition of the willing!? The problem has been the same, mistrust everywhere, much so among triapartite states!
Tanzania has always been vigilant when it come EAC since we don't want to be exploited twice by Kenya!

You guys always eager to trick Tanzania into a trap with special emphasise on land, something that will not happen we in foreseeable future!

3) You should know well, Tanzanians are "ndugu", but you guys are too selfish tribalistic centered individual, especially Kenyans. You can't embrace others, you may pretend though! Such awkward culture must change if you should dream for EA federation!

4) Arrogance: seriously! By taking a different stance on issue that doesn't have solution you consider it Arrogance!? Really!? By considering what is good for your people, you consider it as Arrogance! Well, you chose to follow your colonial masters orders slavishly...and you willing to copy and paste every stupid prescriptions from them because you are not confident...you just dance to all tunes as long as it's from your colonial masters.

Tanzania refusing to apply brutal Lock down/curfew to her citizen and devising more practical methods you consider it Arrogance! Well we are masters of our own destiny! Our beloved president Magufuli helpes us to pass through safely during corona pandemic without deploying army to beat up civilians! As a citizen, and on behalf of all Tanzanians citizens, I apploud his commendable efforts! Whatever Kagame said, it has nothing to do with us as Tanzanians, it remains as his own opinion, as Tanzania, since we believe in freedom of speech, there we go, he is entitled to it! You guys you really need to liberate your mind, you are brainwashed to believe everything those colonial masters dishes out and yet you dont trust your own...this is utterly rubbish5) You don't know a thing about nationalization. You may dwarf our modest industrialization effort, but rest assured, we are at take off mode ! You just wait two years or so to come you ' LL see if you 'll have gut to utter such nonsense!

6) we as Tanzanians 're contented by progress made in our education system. As you might be aware by now, we as Tanzanians we don't do copy and paste, we customize our education system so that in future you 'll not lack some place to copy and paste since that is your area of your specialty!

You have confirmed everything he said about Tanzania. Nyerere planted a seed of hatred towards Kenya and it has grown. Tanzania acts with unfounded pessimism towards Kenya and you will find, in almost all disagreements Tanzania fired first.

Kenya is a democracy with by far more freedom. That is not in dispute and you know it. Where is Kenya's opposition leader? He is inspecting development projects with the president. Where is Tanzania's? He was shot, another was kidnapped. A person laughed at Magufuli's pic, he was arrested. How many of such videos are made of uhuru daily?

Tanzania hate for Kenya is so obvious everyone sees it. Question, does a Tanzanian pay to enter or need work permit in kenya? No. Does the same apply in Tanzania? No. Kenyans have to pay $100 to even attend a meeting and work permit is almost an impossible process. Then you say Kenya is the bad one... If its undugu, why would you be talking of Tanzania's interests come first in everything that even simply treating your brother well or equally is not done.

Who said we want Tanzania land? These are the things Nyerere filled your minds that only those who venture to Kenya come to find they are lies. There is so much land in Kenya, i recently bought 5 very green acres to farm on the side, but in tanzania you think that does not hapen in Kenya. All land is owned by kenyatta and wazungu . But problem lies in ujamaa mentality still in your heads that land is communal. That one individual cant come buy land for business purposes to earn a living, it must be shared with the lazy neighbors to profit of someone elses sweat. Like profiting of East African airways as Kenya worked hard to keep it successful, when Kenya got tired of pulling uncontributing patners and took planes it had put effort to run, history was twisted in Tanzania to say Kenya stole the planes rather than it took planes it actually owned.

The seeds of mistrust leads to blind patriotism that make this narative that wakenya tunapiku wazungu tuu. We are welcoming people, ranked friendliest in Africa. We like people to come and enjoy our hospitality, so we speak a language english that brings the world and knowledge together next to kiswahili. But Tz distrusts anyone, what is point of kiswahili if its not used to communicate with others to bring the world together, it fits to this selfish behaviours given a name uzalendo that have brought down EAC, simple meeting to agree how to handle corona at borders ignored because Tz feels it can do without others, but I have very good friends there so i know its not all who have this unbrotherly mentality to neighbouring countries.

 

[Kevin85ify]

You seem to be really pissed off...Unfortunately for you, Tanzania has always been correct...no dashing!

1) You sound to be more dictator than our Tanzania regime by all proportion! And I bet you really don't know the meaning of democracy (only narrated brainwashed version of democracy exists in your mind).

If you still have sanity in your mind you 'll examine closely to what is happening around the globe.

What democracy that exists in Kenya...serious, you have audacity to claim Kenya is democratic!? To thieves may be!?

2)You iterated that our leaders are paranoid about land and job well, you can't deny that there's serious issues that need to be addressed, in particular, the most critical of them all is land. It goes without saying that Tanzania's neighboring EA countries are under serious land crisis, and they are eyeing at seizing any opportunity to grab Tanzania's land as a relief to their long-standing triabal seated land issues! So there is serious mistrust as to what is the real motive behind such push towards federation. Furthermore, especially Kenyans are too aggressive and untrustworthy individuals, they should be restricted to their own country!

As long as this EA federation exclude land, the federation that tàke effect with Tanzanian as willing partner! Can you explain to what happen to the coalition of the willing!? The problem has been the same, mistrust everywhere, much so among triapartite states!
Tanzania has always been vigilant when it come EAC since we don't want to be exploited twice by Kenya!

You guys always eager to trick Tanzania into a trap with special emphasise on land, something that will not happen we in foreseeable future!

3) You should know well, Tanzanians are "ndugu", but you guys are too selfish tribalistic centered individual, especially Kenyans. You can't embrace others, you may pretend though! Such awkward culture must change if you should dream for EA federation!

4) Arrogance: seriously! By taking a different stance on issue that doesn't have solution you consider it Arrogance!? Really!? By considering what is good for your people, you consider it as Arrogance! Well, you chose to follow your colonial masters orders slavishly...and you willing to copy and paste every stupid prescriptions from them because you are not confident...you just dance to all tunes as long as it's from your colonial masters.

Tanzania refusing to apply brutal Lock down/curfew to her citizen and devising more practical methods you consider it Arrogance! Well we are masters of our own destiny! Our beloved president Magufuli helpes us to pass through safely during corona pandemic without deploying army to beat up civilians! As a citizen, and on behalf of all Tanzanians citizens, I apploud his commendable efforts! Whatever Kagame said, it has nothing to do with us as Tanzanians, it remains as his own opinion, as Tanzania, since we believe in freedom of speech, there we go, he is entitled to it! You guys you really need to liberate your mind, you are brainwashed to believe everything those colonial masters dishes out and yet you dont trust your own...this is utterly rubbish

5) You don't know a thing about nationalization. You may dwarf our modest industrialization effort, but rest assured, we are at take off mode ! You just wait two years or so to come you ' LL see if you 'll have gut to utter such nonsense!

6) we as Tanzanians 're contented by progress made in our education system. As you might be aware by now, we as Tanzanians we don't do copy and paste, we customize our education system so that in future you 'll not lack some place to copy and paste since that is your area of your specialty!

Spoken like a true Tanzanian. Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Kevin85ify]

You seem to be really pissed off...Unfortunately for you, Tanzania has always been correct...no dashing!
1) You sound to be more dictator than our Tanzania regime by all proportion! And I bet you really don't know the meaning of democracy (only narrated brainwashed version of democracy exists in your mind).

If you still have sanity in your mind you 'll examine closely to what is happening around the globe.
What democracy that exists in Kenya...serious, you have audacity to claim Kenya is democratic!? To thieves may be!?

2)You iterated that our leaders are paranoid about land and job well, you can't deny that there's serious issues that need to be addressed, in particular, the most critical of them all is land. It goes without saying that Tanzania's neighboring EA countries are under serious land crisis, and they are eyeing at seizing any opportunity to grab Tanzania's land as a relief to their long-standing triabal seated land issues! So there is serious mistrust as to what is the real motive behind such push towards federation. Furthermore, especially Kenyans are too aggressive and untrustworthy individuals, they should be restricted to their own country!

As long as this EA federation exclude land, the federation that tàke effect with Tanzanian as willing partner! Can you explain to what happen to the coalition of the willing!? The problem has been the same, mistrust everywhere, much so among triapartite states!
Tanzania has always been vigilant when it come EAC since we don't want to be exploited twice by Kenya!

You guys always eager to trick Tanzania into a trap with special emphasise on land, something that will not happen we in foreseeable future!

3) You should know well, Tanzanians are "ndugu", but you guys are too selfish tribalistic centered individual, especially Kenyans. You can't embrace others, you may pretend though! Such awkward culture must change if you should dream for EA federation!

4) Arrogance: seriously! By taking a different stance on issue that doesn't have solution you consider it Arrogance!? Really!? By considering what is good for your people, you consider it as Arrogance! Well, you chose to follow your colonial masters orders slavishly...and you willing to copy and paste every stupid prescriptions from them because you are not confident...you just dance to all tunes as long as it's from your colonial masters. Tanzania refusing to apply brutal Lock down/curfew to her citizen and devising more practical methods you consider it Arrogance! Well we are masters of our own destiny! Our beloved president Magufuli helpes us to pass through safely during corona pandemic without deploying army to beat up civilians! As a citizen, and on behalf of all Tanzanians citizens, I apploud his commendable efforts! Whatever Kagame said, it has nothing to do with us as Tanzanians, it remains as his own opinion, as Tanzania, since we believe in freedom of speech, there we go, he is entitled to it! You guys you really need to liberate your mind, you are brainwashed to believe everything those colonial masters dishes out and yet you dont trust your own...this is utterly rubbish

5) You don't know a thing about nationalization. You may dwarf our modest industrialization effort, but rest assured, we are at take off mode ! You just wait two years or so to come you ' LL see if you 'll have gut to utter such nonsense!

6) we as Tanzanians 're contented by progress made in our education system. As you might be aware by now, we as Tanzanians we don't do copy and paste, we customize our education system so that in future you 'll not lack some place to copy and paste since that is your area of your specialty!

Oh and also, you have been in take off mode for the last 4 decades but somehow the takeoff never happens? Is it that Tanzanians are too lazy to actually work?

 

[Justinr]

Its true that Tanzania is a large nation compare to the rest of EA nations which are verry small in size, what you stupid trying to do is to grub our land on behalf of EA federation and exploit for your nation benefit, tha will never happen for dem sure you know as far as kunya is concerned it dont have enough land for economic activities and even that small size which is available its price is inflated, almost its impossible for normal kunyan to own a peace of land , so your stupid goverment try to find solution by using EA community to exploiting Tanzania Land its dumb and stupid method.

Next time mind your manner never called our nation a dictatorior nation, as far as Tanzania is concern you dumb kunyans should never intervine in our affears simply mean you have alot in your plate to deal with as far as police brutality, how many kunyans have lost there lives just for corona curfew? How many Kenyans have raped and killed because of police brutality? Yet your here lecture about democracy your to stupid to be an advicer and without forget eliminate that tribalism manner before intervine whith other nation matters.

 

[Hero]

Being an optimist is not bad and in fact we need optimists to provide some check on realists, but I hold one major concern.
states act on self interest. states live in a hobbesian world of all against all in the state of nature, without much in terms of mutual interest. Given that this is the case, How pray do tell, will the quite divergent interests of Tanzania and Kenya be reconciled when we can not agree on something as simple as free movement of capital and labor without tariffs and non tariff barriers? Kenya proposed free movement of capital and labor without work permits and Tanzania rejected that proposal.
Kenya proposed that east africa citizens should be able to buy land anywhere in east africa without inhibition and Tanzania rejected that proposal too.

That is precisely the case, we are not interested at selling our land and jod

You have conf
You have confirmed everything he said about Tanzania. Nyerere planted a seed of hatred towards Kenya and it has grown. Tanzania acts with unfounded pessimism towards Kenya and you will find, in almost all disagreements Tanzania fired first.
Kenya is a democracy with by far more freedom. That is not in dispute and you know it. Where is Kenya's opposition leader? He is inspecting development projects with the president. Where is Tanzania's? He was shot, another was kidnapped. A person laughed at Magufuli's pic, he was arrested. How many of such videos are made of uhuru daily?
Tanzania hate for Kenya is so obvious everyone sees it. Question, does a Tanzanian pay to enter or need work permit in kenya? No. Does the same apply in Tanzania? No. Kenyans have to pay $100 to even attend a meeting and work permit is almost an impossible process. Then you say Kenya is the bad one... If its undugu, why would you be talking of Tanzania's interests come first in everything that even simply treating your brother well or equally is not done.
Who said we want Tanzania land? These are the things Nyerere filled your minds that only those who venture to Kenya come to find they are lies. There is so much land in Kenya, i recently bought 5 very green acres to farm on the side, but in tanzania you think that does not hapen in Kenya. All land is owned by kenyatta and wazungu . But problem lies in ujamaa mentality still in your heads that land is communal. That one individual cant come buy land for business purposes to earn a living, it must be shared with the lazy neighbors to profit of someone elses sweat. Like profiting of East African airways as Kenya worked hard to keep it successful, when Kenya got tired of pulling uncontributing patners and took planes it had put effort to run, history was twisted in Tanzania to say Kenya stole the planes rather than it took planes it actually owned.
The seeds of mistrust leads to blind patriotism that make this narative that wakenya tunapiku wazungu tuu. We are welcoming people, ranked friendliest in Africa. We like people to come and enjoy our hospitality, so we speak a language english that brings the world and knowledge together next to kiswahili. But Tz distrusts anyone, what is point of kiswahili if its not used to communicate with others to bring the world together, it fits to this selfish behaviours given a name uzalendo that have brought down EAC, simple meeting to agree how to handle corona at borders ignored because Tz feels it can do without others... but i have very good friends there so i know its not all who have this unbrotherly mentality to neighbouring countries.

Your narration highly biased my ndugu! Even though you open up border what chance is Tanzanian has to secure areputable job in Kenya!? Almost nil... you Kenyans will have to feed your hungry tribalistic thest 1st in every opportunity that may arise before you would consider another fellow Kenyan of different ethnic background! When will poor Tanzanian ndugu fit in! So this opening border thing is all a big hoax, and unfortunate for you guys we know it too well. You open up borders while you don't have anything left to offer and at the same time you have everything to gain from your stupid neighbor who would take that bait! Fume, blame, accuse us Tanzanians to your fill but we know it too well to repeat that same mistake of our past! "Eti jirani tukaribishane, wakati we hujapika kitu wakati huohuo jirani anaandaa meza, hata Kama akikukaribisha ni kwa hasara yake mwenyewe!"
Simply put, you Kenyans, are untrustworthy partners! As
Tanzanians, we are against all forms of exploitation!
"Tumeshakataa unyonyaji, uwe wa mzungu au wa ndugu yetu wa uwongo (mkenya)"!

 

[Hero]

You have conf
You have confirmed everything he said about Tanzania. Nyerere planted a seed of hatred towards Kenya and it has grown. Tanzania acts with unfounded pessimism towards Kenya and you will find, in almost all disagreements Tanzania fired first.

Kenya is a democracy with by far more freedom. That is not in dispute and you know it. Where is Kenya's opposition leader? He is inspecting development projects with the president. Where is Tanzania's? He was shot, another was kidnapped. A person laughed at Magufuli's pic, he was arrested. How many of such videos are made of uhuru daily?

Tanzania hate for Kenya is so obvious everyone sees it. Question, does a Tanzanian pay to enter or need work permit in kenya? No. Does the same apply in Tanzania? No. Kenyans have to pay $100 to even attend a meeting and work permit is almost an impossible process. Then you say Kenya is the bad one... If its undugu, why would you be talking of Tanzania's interests come first in everything that even simply treating your brother well or equally is not done.

Who said we want Tanzania land? These are the things Nyerere filled your minds that only those who venture to Kenya come to find they are lies. There is so much land in Kenya, i recently bought 5 very green acres to farm on the side, but in tanzania you think that does not hapen in Kenya. All land is owned by kenyatta and wazungu . But problem lies in ujamaa mentality still in your heads that land is communal. That one individual cant come buy land for business purposes to earn a living, it must be shared with the lazy neighbors to profit of someone elses sweat. Like profiting of East African airways as Kenya worked hard to keep it successful, when Kenya got tired of pulling uncontributing patners and took planes it had put effort to run, history was twisted in Tanzania to say Kenya stole the planes rather than it took planes it actually owned.

The seeds of mistrust leads to blind patriotism that make this narative that wakenya tunapiku wazungu tuu. We are welcoming people, ranked friendliest in Africa. We like people to come and enjoy our hospitality, so we speak a language english that brings the world and knowledge together next to kiswahili. But Tz distrusts anyone, what is point of kiswahili if its not used to communicate with others to bring the world together, it fits to this selfish behaviours given a name uzalendo that have brought down EAC, simple meeting to agree how to handle corona at borders ignored because Tz feels it can do without others, but I have very good friends there so i know its not all who have this unbrotherly mentality to neighbouring countries.

May I correct you sir, Mwl. J. K. Nyerere (may his soul rest in peace), never seeded any hate vs our neighboring Kenyans, to the contrary, he bent backwardly to try to reach out to Kenyans...such panafricanist had even considered delaying our independence...all to no avail!
Now you are come bragging about EA federation against mwalimu seriously...can you just give us just one evidence from Kenya that signal genuine positive effort toward EA integration untainted with sickening motives!

Next time when you mention that son of Africa be respectful and link him with only what is truely his!

We could not talk you out of copying and pasting from your colonial masters, which you held it dearly, what else should we have done. You only listen to prescription coming from your masters! With such different stand point of corona crackdown approach to ours, what else should we had to discuss with you?

 

[Hero]

No, we have never been in takeoff mode until recently! Yes a long waited takeoff is in the making, don't worry, you'll understand soon enough!

Oh and also, you have been in take off mode for the last 4 decades but somehow the takeoff never happens? Is it that Tanzanians are too lazy to actually work?

 

[Samcezar]

Nikiwa sijala lunch hizi nyuzi za kutema ung'eng'e huwa nakuwa sizielewi. Ngoja nile nirudi sasa nitoe mchango wangu.

 

[IAfrika]

Being an optimist is not bad and in fact we need optimists to provide some check on realists, but I hold one major concern.
states act on self interest. states live in a hobbesian world of all against all in the state of nature, without much in terms of mutual interest. Given that this is the case, How pray do tell, will the quite divergent interests of Tanzania and Kenya be reconciled when we can not agree on something as simple as free movement of capital and labor without tariffs and non tariff barriers? Kenya proposed free movement of capital and labor without work permits and Tanzania rejected that proposal.

Kenya proposed that east africa citizens should be able to buy land anywhere in east africa without inhibition and Tanzania rejected that proposal too.

I am actually a pragmatist and not an optimist, where we don't see everything as black and white, amid problems and impossibilities we seek solutions. Here in East Africa we need to separate the things we agree on from those that we fundamentally don’t agree on. Then we work with what we agree on and work on what we don’t agree on.

I have been following East Africa integration since my schooling days and I can say all the states have self-interest as they should rightly do which should not hamper progress on integration and trade. And the difference that exists among states are not as fundamental as they used to be as I will arguing in my posts.

In the 1990s before Moi, Mkapa and Museveni revived EAC there was no common or mutual interest but two decades later we have plenty of common interest ranging from trade other international interests. EAC is the largest trading block for all East African countries and with admission of Burundi, Rwanda and south Sudan there is a security component to it. Most of the stuff that is made in East Africa can only be sold in East Africa. America, Europe and Asia countries are not into buying African made products. Everyone knows we need manufacturing to grow our economies.

Sometimes the media exaggerates some of the issues affecting East Africa for example when it comes to Non-Tariff Barriers all States are culprits either by commission, omission or reasons beyond their control in the short term like infrastructure. The last time I checked of NTBs that were reported, 35% NTBs were from Tanzania, 31% from Kenya, 18% from Uganda and 10% from Rwanda. You can see that Kenya and Tanzania are the culprits here. Trademark East Africa reports that there are 7000 NIBs in East Africa need to be tackled for free trade take place in EA seamlessly. I say a federation senate can strike down these NTBs by the stroke of a single pen.

There are 63 laws alone across East Africa that hamper free movement of persons and no country is innocent here. Among them is Tanzania that demands work permits fees while Kenya puts a restriction on the age to a minimum of 35 years and a monthly salary of USD 2000 PM locking out youth in the guise of protecting local youth.

Capital can only securely move around freely if there adequate legal and financial protections to investors, clients and customers. This will involve a monetary union and a central bank together with consumer protection regulator. I have always argued that a monetary union without a political federation to share out/redistribute the financial benefits/wealth that is shifted in the states or come out of it, is a dangerous outfit that can collapse catastrophically. Right now there is considerable cross border investors and investments.

If Tanzania and Kenya are irreconcilable or lacked common interest was not an exaggeration then Kenya and Tanzania would not be trading or in EAC. Uganda chose Tanzania as the route where its oil pipeline would pass through but that is not considered irreconcilable. Just because one country does something differently does not mean they are wrong or the worst in the world. Each State should be an experiment of every idea argued or fronted out there, the best idea can then be adopted by other states as they see fit.

Lastly we are far from “all against all”. At the moment no East African country has the same troubled relationship that Ethiopia and Somalia or Ethiopia and Eritrea have or had. Federating under political integration does not mean dissolving states to merge into one but involves states delegating some of their powers/responsibilities that are common to all to a central authority that will still have to be accountable to the people and the states forming the federation through their representatives.

 

[IAfrika]

You seem to be really pissed off...Unfortunately for you, Tanzania has always been correct...no dashing!

1) You sound to be more dictator than our Tanzania regime by all proportion! And I bet you really don't know the meaning of democracy (only narrated brainwashed version of democracy exists in your mind).

If you still have sanity in your mind you 'll examine closely to what is happening around the globe and within Kenya 1st.

What democracy that exists in Kenya...seriously, you have audacity to claim Kenya is democratic!? It may be democratic to thieves may be!?

2)You iterated that our leaders are paranoid about land and job, well, you can't deny that there's serious issues that need to be addressed, in particular, the most critical of them all is land. It goes without saying that Tanzania's neighboring EA countries are under serious land crisis, and they are eyeing at seizing any opportunity to grab Tanzania's land as a relief to their long-standing triabal seated land issues! So there is serious mistrust as to what is the real motive behind such push towards federation. Furthermore, especially Kenyans are too aggressive and untrustworthy individuals, they should be restricted to their own country!

As long as this EA federation exclude land, the federation 'll that tàke effect immediately, with Tanzanian as a willing partner! Can you explain to what happen to the coalition of the willing!? The problem has been the same, mistrust everywhere, much so among triapartite states!
Tanzania has always been vigilant when it come EAC since we don't want to be exploited twice by Kenya!

You guys always eager to trick Tanzania into a trap with special emphasise on land, something that will not happen in foreseeable future!

3) You should know well, Tanzanians are "ndugu", but you guys are too selfish tribalistic centered individual, especially Kenyans. You can't even embrace each other, not to mention fellow EAC member, but only to grab opportunities, and you pretentious though! Such awkward culture must change if you should dream for EA federation!

4) Arrogance: seriously! By taking a different stance on issue that doesn't have solution you consider it Arrogance!? Really!? By considering what is good for our people, you consider it as Arrogance! Well, you chose to follow your colonial masters orders slavishly...and you are willing to copy and paste every stupid prescriptions from them because you are not confident on yourselves...you just dance to all tunes as long as it's from your colonial masters.

Tanzania refusing to apply brutal Lock down/curfew to her citizen and devising more practical methods you consider it Arrogance! Well we are masters of our own destiny! Our beloved president Magufuli helped us to pass through safely during corona pandemic without deploying army to beat up civilians! As a citizen, and on behalf of all Tanzanians citizens, I apploud his commendable efforts! Whatever Kagame said, it has nothing to do with us as Tanzanians, it remains as his own opinion! As Tanzanians, since we believe in freedom of speech, there we go, he is entitled to it! You guys you really need to liberate your mind, you are brainwashed to believe everything those colonial masters of yours dish- out and yet you dont trust your own, this is utterly rubbish.

5) You don't know a thing about nationalization. You may dwarf our modest industrialization effort, but rest assured, we are at take off mode ! You just wait two years or so to come you ' LL see if you 'll have gut to utter such nonsense!

6) We as Tanzanians 're contented by progress made in our education system. As you might be aware by now, we as Tanzanians we don't do copy and paste, we customize our education system so that in near future you 'll not lack some place to copy and paste since that is your area of your specialty!

The debate about land being an EAC issue or states issue come out during the Kibaki administration that was pushing for it to be an EAC issues. I think it was resolved that it should be and remains to be a state issue because land is a controversial issue in every state. Making it a federation issues will endanger the security of everyone in the federation because it is the source of multiple tribal skirmishes all across Africa.

Tanzania na Kenya ni ndugu wanapohusiana moja kwa moja. But the way States interact is like rivals, I am hoping that it is sibling rivaly

 

[Hero]

No, we have never been in takeoff mode until recently! Yes a long waited takeoff is in the making, don't worry, you'll understand soon enough!

No, that has never been a take- off mode it was rather engine warm-up mode,😂🤣😂! Now tyres and engine are in acceleration mode, that's why I told you to give us 2years or so you'll witness us being airborne!

 

[permanides]

A typical definition of a Kenyan is someone who speaks at both sides of his mouth. We don't have problems with Ugandans although we fought in the past for obvious reasons. For now, Kenya enjoys a more democratic space compared to its counterparts, but this very paradigm has been shifting between Tz and Kenya. Coming to the kernel of the argument, it's true Kenyan Economy is doing fine as it can be exhibited by the strength of its currency. Going into federation is a hair splitting issue for Kenya , given it's economic position. At the same time, Kenya is looking for fresh areas beyond it's national boundaries to expand it's capital, this is where they think of Tanzania and the rest.

On the other hand, Tanzania is gradually gaining ground in the terms of its economic growth to the extent of making Kenya experience nightmares. Additionally, Tanzania is having an advantage of arable land which Kenya,is seriously panting for it.
Without mutual sacrifices ,which are no where nearby , the idea of federation is as good as dead.

You have conf

You have confirmed everything he said about Tanzania. Nyerere planted a seed of hatred towards Kenya and it has grown. Tanzania acts with unfounded pessimism towards Kenya and you will find, in almost all disagreements Tanzania fired first.

Kenya is a democracy with by far more freedom. That is not in dispute and you know it. Where is Kenya's opposition leader? He is inspecting development projects with the president. Where is Tanzania's? He was shot, another was kidnapped. A person laughed at Magufuli's pic, he was arrested. How many of such videos are made of uhuru daily?

Tanzania hate for Kenya is so obvious everyone sees it. Question, does a Tanzanian pay to enter or need work permit in kenya? No. Does the same apply in Tanzania? No. Kenyans have to pay $100 to even attend a meeting and work permit is almost an impossible process. Then you say Kenya is the bad one... If its undugu, why would you be talking of Tanzania's interests come first in everything that even simply treating your brother well or equally is not done.

Who said we want Tanzania land? These are the things Nyerere filled your minds that only those who venture to Kenya come to find they are lies. There is so much land in Kenya, i recently bought 5 very green acres to farm on the side, but in tanzania you think that does not hapen in Kenya. All land is owned by kenyatta and wazungu . But problem lies in ujamaa mentality still in your heads that land is communal. That one individual cant come buy land for business purposes to earn a living, it must be shared with the lazy neighbors to profit of someone elses sweat.

Like profiting of East African airways as Kenya worked hard to keep it successful, when Kenya got tired of pulling uncontributing patners and took planes it had put effort to run, history was twisted in Tanzania to say Kenya stole the planes rather than it took planes it actually owned.

The seeds of mistrust leads to blind patriotism that make this narative that wakenya tunapiku wazungu tuu. We are welcoming people, ranked friendliest in Africa. We like people to come and enjoy our hospitality, so we speak a language english that brings the world and knowledge together next to kiswahili.

But Tz distrusts anyone, what is point of kiswahili if its not used to communicate with others to bring the world together, it fits to this selfish behaviours given a name uzalendo that have brought down EAC, simple meeting to agree how to handle corona at borders ignored because Tz feels it can do without others, but I have very good friends there so i know its not all who have this unbrotherly mentality to neighbouring countries.