how conversion of diesel engine to electrical engine is nearly impossible; a case study from India railways

how conversion of diesel engine to electrical engine is nearly impossible; a case study from India railways

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Electric conversion of GE diesel locomotive project looks difficult
By Shine Jacob | New Delhi | Last Updated at September 23 2017 01:09 IST
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There seems no end to the woes of the Marhowra diesel locomotive project which was supposed to be built by General Electric (GE). A day after reports came out that the railways may give the multinational major an option to manufacture electric locomotives as railways is not keen on procuring diesel engines, a senior official said the possibility of giving such an offer is unlikely.
“We are aiming at almost 100 per cent electrification in the next three to four years from the existing level of around 42 per cent. Hence, we are not keen on the diesel plant. But as it was allotted through a competitive bidding process and the prices of diesel and electric locomotives are completely different, it is highly unlikely that this option may work out,” said an official close to the development. However, the idea was discussed in a meeting between Railways Minister Piyush Goyal and GE officials at Rail Bhavan on Thursday. But the exit clause from the project may also cost the railways more.
The plan to wind up the project was mooted in a review meeting of the railways on September 7, after Goyal took charge of the railways ministry. The project was part of the Rs 40,000-crore contract that railways awarded to GE and Alstom to set up diesel and electric locomotive factories at Marhowra and Madhepura, respectively, in November 2015. “Both the contracts were awarded at different rates. Hence, conversion of plant to electric may be a complicated process,” he added.
The Marhowra project alone was set to bring in an investment of Rs 2,052 crore. It was expected to manufacture at least 1,000 diesel locomotives over a period of 10 years. “Indian railways has embarked on a massive electrification exercise for its traction needs with a view to improve the efficiency and mobility of its network and substantially reducing the energy bill. Regarding Marhowra diesel locomotive factory, all aspects of the matter are being examined right now, taking into account the need and various contractual and legal obligations,” said another official.
Though the project was conceptualised by Lalu Prasad during his tenure as the railways minister in 2007, it took eight years for the contracts to be awarded. The project was planned for 4,500 horsepower and 6,000hp diesel locomotives. Railways was supposed to have 26 per cent stake in the project and would have provided land, while the foreign companies would have got the remaining 74 per cent stake. Railways was also offering 200 acres of land for the project, which was touted as the largest in the 100-year history of GE in India.

Electric conversion of GE diesel locomotive project looks difficult
 
It proves to be a very costly undertaking....
 
this is true...I cant deny how difficult it will be...the KE government made a big mistake and they need to own up to it...they shouldn't have rushed to build and buy diesel locomotives...now it is too late...my advice is to finish the diesel one and wait for at least 10 years before sinking more cash into it to convert it to electric railroad...
 
this is true...I cant deny how difficult it will be...the KE government made a big mistake and they need to own up to it...they shouldn't have rushed to build and buy diesel locomotives...now it is too late...my advice is to finish the diesel one and wait for at least 10 years before sinking more cash into it to convert it to electric railroad...
better to buy electrical engines all together! Since these one can still work conversion of diesel engines can't guarantee efficiency n effectiveness!
 
this is true...I cant deny how difficult it will be...the KE government made a big mistake and they need to own up to it...they shouldn't have rushed to build and buy diesel locomotives...now it is too late...my advice is to finish the diesel one and wait for at least 10 years before sinking more cash into it to convert it to electric railroad...
haiya haiya u r becoming my disciple now ☺, the only thing u forgot to mention is the procurement was marred with corruption!
 
haiya haiya u r becoming my disciple now ☺, the only thing u forgot to mention is the procurement was marred with corruption!
the truth must be told at times....the diesel plan was a catastrophe...the costs of upgrading this thing to electric traction will be tremendous, hurting the Kenyan taxpayer...now that the damage has already been done, they should wait a while (10-15 years) when the economy has expanded...
 
Nchi ya 1350MW inajichocha hata reli yenyewe haijaanza ujenzi.
 
Museveni hataki reli ya diesel. Sababu kubwa ya uhuru kutapatapa kama kuku aliye katwa shingo. Ugada if they have funds will probably link to Dar-kigali Electric SGR. Or just abandon the whole thing and depend on dry ports along the TZ SGR.
 
Tatizo ni kwamba hata wakikununua treni chache za umeme hazita-justify gharama za ku-electrify rail system, it is costly...

In that case, the choices are so limited then. Go with full electrical or continue with diesel engines.
 
this is true...I cant deny how difficult it will be...the KE government made a big mistake and they need to own up to it...they shouldn't have rushed to build and buy diesel locomotives...now it is too late...my advice is to finish the diesel one and wait for at least 10 years before sinking more cash into it to convert it to electric railroad...
Wakenya wachache sana wenye high voltage thinking capacity, sasa hivi watakuita wewe ni NASA kwasababu umesema serikali ilifanya makosa.
 
Museveni hataki reli ya diesel. Sababu kubwa ya uhuru kutapatapa kama kuku aliye katwa shingo. Ugada if they have funds will probably link to Dar-kigali Electric SGR. Or just abandon the whole thing and depend on dry ports along the TZ SGR.
Be careful wakikujua watakufanyia kitu mbaya kama Jacob Juma.
 
Tatizo ni kwamba hata wakikununua treni chache za umeme hazita-justify gharama za ku-electrify rail system, it is costly...
Aisee hiki kitanzi kimekaba doh...juzi Museveni hakutaka hata kuitaja SGR ya kuunganisha Kampala na Nairobi!
 
the truth must be told at times....the diesel plan was a catastrophe...the costs of upgrading this thing to electric traction will be tremendous, hurting the Kenyan taxpayer...now that the damage has already been done, they should wait a while (10-15 years) when the economy has expanded...
Haya mambo niliyasema humu ndani mpaka nikawapongeza wakenya mlipo amua kuachama na mambo ya umeme. Lakini sijuwi ikawaje siku mbili mbele mkabadilisha gear angani. But there so many developed countries around the world bado wanatumia diesel na siku inaenda Australia is one of them.
 
This is one structured, disciplined thread. Watu wana heshima sana kwa hii thread . It is good to see people arguing based on facts and not emotions 🙂
 
the truth must be told at times....the diesel plan was a catastrophe...the costs of upgrading this thing to electric traction will be tremendous, hurting the Kenyan taxpayer...now that the damage has already been done, they should wait a while (10-15 years) when the economy has expanded...
Uhuru and Ruto need some big project which they can take advantage of and loot. Thats my logic
 
Why would a sensible country pay Millions of $$ to buy diesel yet a train can be powered by locally produced electricity? Hii ndio ujinga wa kukimbilia project iliujionyeshe kwa wengine, hatimaye hakuna anayetaka SGR yakutoka kenya
 
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