If Current Growth Rate Remains Constant, Tanzania Will Overtake Kenya GDP in 2038

[game over]

Usibishane na hawa wajinga. Sisi tunaproject nyingi mno about to start. Next year tunaanza kuexport uranium.

Mradi wa nickel ni zaidi ya $3bn, kiwanda cha mbolea mtwara ni $3bn, tuko katoka hatua za mwisho kuanza kujenga LNG plant Mtwara $30bn hapo atujaanza export gas.

Waacheni wajifurahishe, na pia hatujaanza kuwasabsides wakulima wetu na kuwa na advance irrigation scheme.

Sisi sio saizi yao.

Hizo projects ukijumlisha ni zaidi ya 50% ya GDP yao. Na hizo ni baadhi tu..
Kweli mkuu. Acha wajifariji.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Is there a standard definition of Super?
Wewe unapenda dwelling on non-issues. For most countries growing at 1 or 2% or even shrinking, they would consider a growth rate of 6% super.
Alafu who told you 0-7% is not enough to lift people from poverty.
As long as GDP growth is higher than population growth rate, it is enough if you sustain it for many years. Kenya has been growing at that range for the past 15 years, and the per capita has moved from $400 to $1500.

This what happen when you start a thread and you don't know the base of the topic, at the moment your just firefighting and you can't come up with anything to support your thread. I even gave you a visual aid to pont to us where is that SUPER growth you kept bragging about, umeshindwa. If Kenya had so called "super growth" why is there 30% youth unemployment while in Tanzania is only 10%? The answer is the grown in Kenya generally in the pockets of the few i.e. Kenyatta Ruto kirubi while the rest of you can't even afford ugali kwa sukuma. Your thread is meaningless because you wrote as if the world will stand still and countries GDP will be static. If you must know, Tanzania it is were it is today only by exploring 10% of her potential. And there is good reason for that, just like our president said the other day, we work so hard to liberate others now its time to build ourselves.

 

[Muria]

This math is very very wrong and i'm surprised no one has seen it.

1. I dont think using a "Simple interest" calculator to simulate GDP is the wisest thing to do.

2. GDP growth compounds year on year, meaning in 2017 if Kenya has a GDP of $75B, then in 2018 the GDP will be 79.125 at 5.5% growth. In 2019 the GDP will increase by 5.5% OVER 2018's figure of $79.125B. (In contrast, the original post just took the GDP and added a simple interest onto it.) By this calculation, Kenya's GDP will still be $19B larger than Tanzania's in the year 2038. Tanzania will however close the gap in 2044 and overtake Kenya in 2045 if everything holds constant.

However as other have commented, this is a very simplistic way of looking at economies since anything can happen in such a short while. E.g. no one knows the impact Natural gas or helium recently discovered will have on Tanzania's economy in the next decade or Kenya's oil for that matter or some unknown discovery that might just change the game completely.

 

[saadeque]

Usibishane na hawa wajinga. Sisi tunaproject nyingi mno about to start. Next year tunaanza kuexport uranium.

Mradi wa nickel ni zaidi ya $3bn, kiwanda cha mbolea mtwara ni $3bn, tuko katoka hatua za mwisho kuanza kujenga LNG plant Mtwara $30bn hapo atujaanza export gas.

Waacheni wajifurahishe, na pia hatujaanza kuwasabsides wakulima wetu na kuwa na advance irrigation scheme.

Sisi sio saizi yao.

next year,,,,in few months tym,,,,magu akiwa awamu ya pili,,,kenya wakiianza kuuana..thats what you always say ila mkiamka bado mnakula povu.alafu usijidanganye kuwa nyinyi ndio mko na projects peke yake.ata uku tuko nazo...

 

[kennedy0000]

This what happen when you start a thread and you don't know the base of the topic, at the moment your just firefighting and you can't come up with anything to support your thread. I even gave you a visual aid to pont to us where is that SUPER growth you kept bragging about, umeshindwa. If Kenya had so called "super growth" why is there 30% youth unemployment while in Tanzania is only 10%? The answer is the grown in Kenya generally in the pockets of the few i.e. Kenyatta Ruto kirubi while the rest of you can't even afford ugali kwa sukuma. Your thread is meaningless because you wrote as if the world will stand still and countries GDP will be static. If you must know, Tanzania it is were it is today only by exploring 10% of her potential. And there is good reason for that, just like our president said the other day, we work so hard to liberate others now its time to build ourselves.

30% youth unemployment doesn't mean 30% of the youths don't have jobs. It just means they are not in formal employment. Kenyans are very entrepreneurial and most of the youth are in some kind of undocumented business. Many earn way above the average income from these hustles.
Tanzania with your sluggish ways are the opposite of this. You either get a formal job or remain at home and curse Kenya for all your economic problems.

And give us a break about 'liberating' other people already. We've spent more money in Somalia the last few years than you've ever spent anywhere on this continent.
And for those who think this is a futile exercise, you can guess who will be Somalia's biggest trading partner when peace is achieved.

Perhaps next time you bring a chart, be able to read and interpret it yourself. In 2006 and 2007, we were doing about 7%. (Your chart is underestimating here). That is super growth.
In 2010 we did 8.4%. That is super growth.

Last year we did nearly 6%. Ask a South African or Nigerian whose economy is shrinking, they'll tell you that is super growth. I know English is non-existent in Tanzania, but you can Google and find out what number is Super growth. In short, it is relative.

Tanzania has explored 10% of its resources till now? At that rate you'll probably overtake Kenya in 200 years. You should even be ashamed of saying that aloud.
And you should realize that countries with few natural resources always find ways of doing well for themselves. You continue sleeping on yours.

 

[kennedy0000]

This math is very very wrong and i'm surprised no one has seen it.

1. I dont think using a "Simple interest" calculator to simulate GDP is the wisest thing to do.

2. GDP growth compounds year on year, meaning in 2017 if Kenya has a GDP of $75B, then in 2018 the GDP will be 79.125 at 5.5% growth. In 2019 the GDP will increase by 5.5% OVER 2018's figure of $79.125B. (In contrast, the original post just took the GDP and added a simple interest onto it.) By this calculation, Kenya's GDP will still be $19B larger than Tanzania's in the year 2038. Tanzania will however close the gap in 2044 and overtake Kenya in 2045 if everything holds constant.

However as other have commented, this is a very simplistic way of looking at economies since anything can happen in such a short while. E.g. no one knows the impact Natural gas or helium recently discovered will have on Tanzania's economy in the next decade or Kenya's oil for that matter or some unknown discovery that might just change the game completely.

I corrected that mistake earlier. The calculator is a savings interest not simple interest. In other words compound interest.
Starting at 100 at 5%. The first year will be 5% of 100, the second year will be 5% of 105 etc.

And of course its simplistic and was only meant to respond to those who say that Tanzania will overtake Kenya in 2 years. That is mathematically impossible.
There are many unknowns and that's why it states if growth remains constant.

 

[kennedy0000]

Feeding who? With what?? Mirungi?

next time before boasting of your shity GDP u must understand your Lovely Kenya is the only middle income country that can not guarantee Food to her people.
Number of Kenyans going hungry doubles to three million

Laziness came from the comment I tagged..


Huwezi niambia kitu mimi!

UK gets most of its tea from Kenya. (Breakfast).
UAE gets a lot of livestock and fruits from Kenya.

Next time before boasting about overtaking us, remember Tanzania has a higher population but low gdp, double the land size but few tarmac and paved roads, half our annual infrastructure budget, half our defense budget... basically a lower budget for everything - health, education, security etc.

You have fertile lands everywhere but Kenya with most of the land desert still provides you with lots of milk... forcing your government to issue a blockade.

You have one billionaire who controls everything. Media, juice processing, milk, flour.. etc. As a result, you have 50 million beggars.
Visit Kenya and find self-made dollar millionaires in all of these sectors.

 

[Mwanzi1]

30% youth unemployment doesn't mean 30% of the youths don't have jobs. It just means they are not in formal employment. Kenyans are very entrepreneurial and most of the youth are in some kind of undocumented business. Many earn way above the average income from these hustles.
Tanzania with your sluggish ways are the opposite of this. You either get a formal job or remain at home and curse Kenya for all your economic problems.

And give us a break about 'liberating' other people already. We've spent more money in Somalia the last few years than you've ever spent anywhere on this continent.
And for those who think this is a futile exercise, you can guess who will be Somalia's biggest trading partner when peace is achieved.

Perhaps next time you bring a chart, be able to read and interpret it yourself. In 2006 and 2007, we were doing about 7%. (Your chart is underestimating here). That is super growth.
In 2010 we did 8.4%. That is super growth.

Last year we did nearly 6%. Ask a South African or Nigerian whose economy is shrinking, they'll tell you that is super growth. I know English is non-existent in Tanzania, but you can Google and find out what number is Super growth. In short, it is relative.

Tanzania has explored 10% of its resources till now? At that rate you'll probably overtake Kenya in 200 years. You should even be ashamed of saying that aloud.
And you should realize that countries with few natural resources always find ways of doing well for themselves. You continue sleeping on yours.

Oh my goodness, have you even step a foot in school?? I so wonder if the person on the other end is even alive. 30% of youth unemployment in Kenya are the people ho went to school have all credentials and they can't be accounted even in informal sector. Go on your industrial areas and see the ocean of people waiting for any opportunity which will come on there way on that particular day.

Yani, you're a primary example of clumsy Kenyans who don't know jack about Tanzania and yet pretending to know what's is going on. We have no problem with access to land here, our informal sector can access land, permits and make a living.

Your ignorance of Tanzania history is a jaw dropping. We have our own reasons for not to eat one another unlikely Kenya were rich people eat the poor, that's why so far we only explore 10% or resource (its called no one is left behind). I wonder what drove you to start this thread and you don't even know how to read and understand charts not just chart but Kenyan chart. Not knowing the impact of negative growth, Oh ... and this is good one, the water in Kenya's rivers will continued to flow even if there is drought. Amazing. Shule shule shule.

 

[kennedy0000]

Oh my goodness, have you even step a foot in school?? I so wonder if the person on the other end is even alive. 30% of youth unemployment in Kenya are the people ho went to school have all credentials and they can't be accounted even in informal sector. Go on your industrial areas and see the ocean of people waiting for any opportunity which will come on there way on that particular day.

Yani, you're a primary example of clumsy Kenyans who don't know jack about Tanzania and yet pretending to know what's is going on. We have no problem with access to land here, our informal sector can access land, permits and make a living.

Your ignorance of Tanzania history is a jaw dropping. We have our own reasons for not to eat one another unlikely Kenya were rich people eat the poor, that's why so far we only explore 10% or resource (its called no one is left behind). I wonder what drove you to start this thread and you don't even know how to read and understand charts not just chart but Kenyan chart. Not knowing the impact of negative growth, Oh ... and this is good one, the water in Kenya's rivers will continued to flow even if there is drought. Amazing. Shule shule shule.

You can continue pulling figures from wherever. Just know Kenya would have collapsed a long time ago if a third of its people had no monthly income.
Perhaps the schools in Tanzania did not teach you the meaning of informal, so let me explain.
Informal in this case means not following the usual laid down procedures. That means no government licenses, no banking details, no income tax etc. These are among the indicators of employment.
When these are unavailable, the government and other bodies will conclude that it translates to unemployment.

The reality is millions of these 'unemployed' Kenyans live quite comfortable lives, hustling everyday without bothering the government.
But of course from your office internet you cannot know that. The sooner you quit being an armchair economist the better for your village.

And you may deny it all you want, but the only reputation Tanzania has is laziness. How can a sane country go for decades without wars, dictatorship, famine or any major problem and still rank among the world's poorest.
Laziness is a culture that starts from childhood, and Tanzania will need many years to eliminate that.
While Kenya's biggest problem is corruption, Tanzania's is laziness. Which I consider to be much worse.

And the thing is, it's not just Kenyans who comment on your laziness and work ethics.
Follow this thread on Quora to read some comments from some expatriates.

The first stage of moving forward is looking back and acknowledging your flaws.
In your case it's very simple.

1. Tanzania is bigger, with more natural resources, yet poorer than Kenya.
2. The gap between the GDPs of Kenya and Tanzania continues to expand.
3. Kenya with all the resource disadvantages still has an annual budget nearly double that of Tanzania.
4. Tanzania has been peaceful for many years, but that has not translated to economic growth. Why?
4. Why does everyone think Tanzanians are lazy. Is there some truth?

Once you answer those and other questions, you'll be on the path to success.
Kenyans also have many questions to ask themselves.

 

[game over]

UK gets most of its tea from Kenya. (Breakfast).
UAE gets a lot of livestock and fruits from Kenya.

Next time before boasting about overtaking us, remember Tanzania has a higher population but low gdp, double the land size but few tarmac and paved roads, half our annual infrastructure budget, half our defense budget... basically a lower budget for everything - health, education, security etc.

You have fertile lands everywhere but Kenya with most of the land desert still provides you with lots of milk... forcing your government to issue a blockade.

You have one billionaire who controls everything. Media, juice processing, milk, flour.. etc. As a result, you have 50 million beggars.
Visit Kenya and find self-made dollar millionaires in all of these sectors.

Man kuhusu ardhi kenya its not our fault,
Blame your Gikuyu Noblemen for grabbing your entire fertile Land.

You seem too outdated. As we speak 50% Kenyans live below poverty lines Vs 36% Tanzanians
Kenya vs Tanzania: Economy Facts and Stats

Again you are boasting of Security yet your country is a typical insecure hellhole,

Hao millionaires you have in Nai are all politicians, is not actually a thing to celebrate. There is where your Eurobond money went.
What a Shame!!

The billionaire you are talking about doesn't control any media nor Juices as you mentioned, his business is quiet different..ficha upumbavu wako.

Let me remind you, we have exploited less than 10% of our natural resources..
We have over 90% fertile Virgin land for our kids and grandkids

(come and beat us)

 

[Mwanzi1]

You can continue pulling figures from wherever. Just know Kenya would have collapsed a long time ago if a third of its people had no monthly income.
Perhaps the schools in Tanzania did not teach you the meaning of informal, so let me explain.
Informal in this case means not following the usual laid down procedures. That means no government licenses, no banking details, no income tax etc. These are among the indicators of employment.
When these are unavailable, the government and other bodies will conclude that it translates to unemployment.

The reality is millions of these 'unemployed' Kenyans live quite comfortable lives, hustling everyday without bothering the government.
But of course from your office internet you cannot know that. The sooner you quit being an armchair economist the better for your village.

And you may deny it all you want, but the only reputation Tanzania has is laziness. How can a sane country go for decades without wars, dictatorship, famine or any major problem and still rank among the world's poorest.
Laziness is a culture that starts from childhood, and Tanzania will need many years to eliminate that.
While Kenya's biggest problem is corruption, Tanzania's is laziness. Which I consider to be much worse.

And the thing is, it's not just Kenyans who comment on your laziness and work ethics.
Follow this thread on Quora to read some comments from some expatriates.

The first stage of moving forward is looking back and acknowledging your flaws.
In your case it's very simple.

1. Tanzania is bigger, with more natural resources, yet poorer than Kenya.
2. The gap between the GDPs of Kenya and Tanzania continues to expand.
3. Kenya with all the resource disadvantages still has an annual budget nearly double that of Tanzania.
4. Tanzania has been peaceful for many years, but that has not translated to economic growth. Why?
4. Why does everyone think Tanzanians are lazy. Is there some truth?

Once you answer those and other questions, you'll be on the path to success.
Kenyans also have many questions to ask themselves.

So, tell the world that 30% of youth unemployment in Kenya is the number which has been exaggerated and there is no objective poverty in Kenya. (Read your own word bellow).

" The reality is millions of these 'unemployed' Kenyans live quite comfortable lives, hustling everyday without bothering the government.

And you think this is acceptable to a well balanced society, were the gap between the reach and poor is widening at the rate have never been seen in Africa.

And why there so many articles and thesis which are point on Kenya poverty compare to the rest of EAC countries?

Your still lingering with your ignorance, about Tanzania, the country which has build miles and miles of tarmac roads connecting all parts of the country using its own hard earn cash. Bought aircrafts using it own money (cash if you you must know, no loans) and still we managed to start our own SGR USING OUR OWN DAMN MONEY. No one in Kenya has balls to touch the land issue which has resulted in the rich few holding more that 80% of fertile land. What are the result? The rich only producing cash crops ...tea, coffee, flowers, also miraa... living huge number of poor Kenyan with no enough land or food to eat. And who feed Kenya's??? (Dot stress your little brain) TANZANIA. From cereal, fruits, beans, cooking oil, gas, forestry product's, steel, plastic products, even ICT backbone. Show us which county in the world KQ has 42 flights a week (3x more than international acceptable level). If this is lazy country them I'll be more than happy to live in that lazy country which produce enough feed it own people and have more to sale to UN. At the same time UN buy that food and donate to Internal displace people in Kenya and South Sudan(I'm pretty sure you didn't know half of the things I've mention here). I didn't even mention the level of crime which Kenya are coming Tanzania, from stealing livestock, to mineral, to working illegally in the country. If you have that highest GDP why your exporting by problems to other countries Tanzania in particular?

Maybe your where born from a rich family that's why your bragging about GDP which is based on the rich few rather than the wider community. When you live in the land of less resources, you'll always be panicking with the little you have. In Tanzania we're still hold huge number of natural resources, we can choose to explore that richness any time we see fit.

 

[Uhuru n Umoja]

you may deny it all you want, but the only reputation Tanzania has is laziness. How can a sane country go for decades without wars, dictatorship, famine or any major problem and still rank among the world's poorest.

Are you insane? The great United Republic of Tanzania has fought and emerged victorious in many wars of various magnitude.

The great United Republic served as a mecca of world liberation struggle, Philip Ochieng, your own Kenyan has attested to that FACT.

The only country never knew what a war is in East Africa is Kenya, a Republic of Cashew nuts that has seriously suffered at the hands of ill armed and ill trained ragtag organization "AlShabab".

I recently watched a heartbreaking documentary that shows northern Kenyans expressing their tactical but dreadful way of dealing with unimaginable hunger.

These poor fellows, came up with a creative but potentially perilous plan to full up their bellies. They are managing to eat one among the most poisonous fruits in the world by exposing the poisonous fruits to a wonderful boiling point, which many experts' viewpoints suggest, errors led to so many unreported deaths.

Just as is the case with illicit brew which is way out of control and, has in recent years, proved to be more epidemic than HIV and cholera.

Tribalism is at all times high just as is extrajudicial killings of innocent civilians and potential politicians. "Tom Mboya" Gama Pinto" Robert Ouko"

The extraordinary levels of poverty, hunger and extensive inward-looking have actually shaped Kenya into a hub of gangsters.

So kwetu vijana wa Kitanzania tusibishane na hawa magensters, wengi wao ni walevi wa chang'aa na wanaishi kwenye nyumba za madebe kama njiwa.

Msibishane nao, waacheni na nchi yao "Jamuhuri ya Korosho".

 

[paight lusajo]

I got it but we are supposed to think twice on this situation!

 

[Kobello]

It'll stun you Mwanzi1 to learn that Kenya's gdp growth rate at 2010 was 8.4% and 7% at 2007.

The fact that the world as we progress is becoming more multinational controlled, and these multinationals are the exact proponents of globalization with cross-border branches dispels your claim of a less globalizing world. And Kenya has its fair share of multinationals, some going as far as other continents while some seem contended within the EAC, something of a rare commodity in Tanzania.

So the 7% growth rate is not only achievable as we have done it already, it's also surpassable.

Actually, as the GDP increases, the % GDP growth decreases. Simple economics.

 

[kicha]

Na kidhungu icho wewe utakua mafuru tuu[emoji16][emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]

 

[Kobello]

We have heard many times that Tanzania is on the verge of overtaking Kenya to become the largest economy in East Africa.
Some of the numbers thrown around are 2 years, 5 years, soon etc. However, all of these are made up.

If both countries maintain their current growth rates, it will take at least 21 years for Tanzania to overtake Kenya.

This calculation is based on Tanzania's 7% annual growth rate and Kenya's 5%.
(Note that Kenya's actual growth rate is usually higher than that, around 5.6%. If Kenya grows at a constant 5.6%, the 21 years increase to 30 years.).

For the 21 year estimate to hold, these figures must remain consistent. i.e. if Tanzania grows at below 7% or Kenya grows at higher than 5%, the number of years Tanzania requires to close the gap can shoot up considerably.

How did I arrive at these figures?

Using a savings interest calculator, using the 2017 IMF GDP figures.
i.e.
Kenya - $75 billion
Tanzania - $51.1 billion

If both countries maintain the growth rates, this is how the GDPs will look like in 2038 (the year Tanzania overtakes Kenya).

Tanzania - $211.58 billion
Kenya - $208.95 billion

Assuming we work with the 2015 figures, where Tanzania's GDP was $44.9 billion and Kenya's was $63.4 billion, (maintaining % growth at 5% of KE and 7% for TZ) it will take 19 years for Tanzania to overtake Kenya.

However, the reality is that to grow at a constant % every year is impossible for any country. There will be ups and downs. Therefore, while we can use mathematics to predict that TZ will most likely not overtake Kenya before 2038, it is likely it will not even happen in most of our lifetimes.

Savings interest calculator by CNN

Kenya's GDP was 51B$ in 2012 (5years ago). Then you borrowed a total of 20bn$ to get to 75B$.

Wooow!! what an accomplishment! You guys' debt is 15B$ more than ours.

 

[kennedy0000]

Man kuhusu ardhi kenya its not our fault,
Blame your Gikuyu Noblemen for grabbing your entire fertile Land.

You seem too outdated. As we speak 50% Kenyans live below poverty lines Vs 36% Tanzanians
Kenya vs Tanzania: Economy Facts and Stats

Again you are boasting of Security yet your country is a typical insecure hellhole,

Hao millionaires you have in Nai are all politicians, is not actually a thing to celebrate. There is where your Eurobond money went.
What a Shame!!

The billionaire you are talking about doesn't control any media nor Juices as you mentioned, his business is quiet different..ficha upumbavu wako.

Let me remind you, we have exploited less than 10% of our natural resources..
We have over 90% fertile Virgin land for our kids and grandkids

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(come and beat us)

The Azam guy owns big chunks of various markets.

And once again in your lazy mind you think only politicians can be millionaires. Hamuwezi endelea nyinyi.
In the media, SK Macharia is a billionaire. He is not a politician.
In manufacturing Vimal Shah is the biggest. He is not a politician.
In retail, the Shahs and the Tuskys family are billionaires. They are not politicians.
In real estate, the Murayas are probably billionaires. They are not politicians.
In banking, James Mwangi and others are billionaires. They are not politicians.

These are just the most notable ones from those fields. There are many more in the same fields who are dollar millionaires.

As you wait for your kids and grandkids to come exploit to 90%, Kenya will continue working now. Just pray that you're kids and grandkids won't start crossing over here the way Mexicans do to the US.

 

[kennedy0000]

So, tell the world that 30% of youth unemployment in Kenya is the number which has been exaggerated and there is no objective poverty in Kenya. (Read your own word bellow).

" The reality is millions of these 'unemployed' Kenyans live quite comfortable lives, hustling everyday without bothering the government.

And you think this is acceptable to a well balanced society, were the gap between the reach and poor is widening at the rate have never been seen in Africa.

And why there so many articles and thesis which are point on Kenya poverty compare to the rest of EAC countries?

Your still lingering with your ignorance, about Tanzania, the country which has build miles and miles of tarmac roads connecting all parts of the country using its own hard earn cash. Bought aircrafts using it own money (cash if you you must know, no loans) and still we managed to start our own SGR USING OUR OWN DAMN MONEY. No one in Kenya has balls to touch the land issue which has resulted in the rich few holding more that 80% of fertile land. What are the result? The rich only producing cash crops ...tea, coffee, flowers, also miraa... living huge number of poor Kenyan with no enough land or food to eat. And who feed Kenya's??? (Dot stress your little brain) TANZANIA. From cereal, fruits, beans, cooking oil, gas, forestry product's, steel, plastic products, even ICT backbone. Show us which county in the world KQ has 42 flights a week (3x more than international acceptable level). If this is lazy country them I'll be more than happy to live in that lazy country which produce enough feed it own people and have more to sale to UN. At the same time UN buy that food and donate to Internal displace people in Kenya and South Sudan(I'm pretty sure you didn't know half of the things I've mention here). I didn't even mention the level of crime which Kenya are coming Tanzania, from stealing livestock, to mineral, to working illegally in the country. If you have that highest GDP why your exporting by problems to other countries Tanzania in particular?

Maybe your where born from a rich family that's why your bragging about GDP which is based on the rich few rather than the wider community. When you live in the land of less resources, you'll always be panicking with the little you have. In Tanzania we're still hold huge number of natural resources, we can choose to explore that richness any time we see fit.

Why do you continue overestimating your importance. If any country feeds us it's Uganda because we import their sugar. Food imports from Tanzania contribute something like a 0.1% of Kenya's consumption.
As a matter of fact, Kenya exports more consumables to Tanzania than vice versa.

For the rest of the non-consumables, the stats are out there if you spared a minute to check.
Since time immemorial, the trade imbalance between Kenya and Tanzania favours Kenya. We simply export to you more than we import from you.

Kenya has built more miles of road than Tanzania.. I don't know where you were going with this when the truth is already known.
USING YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY.. Another sign of laziness. Go and research and tell me which person or country grew without taking loans. Europe is what it is today because of the Marshall plan. Japan debt is 200% of the GDP.

All rating agency still give Kenya B+ and above. Tanzania is meanwhile too poor to be rated.
We have not defaulted on any loans.

Just because you've bought 2 planes with your own money you think you've entered the big boys league? Kenya Airways has bought many planes over the years.
In line with standards by more experienced airlines, they've only just recently adopted leasing. Perhaps once you graduate from kindergarten in terms of running an airline, you'll understand the economics.

There are so many Tanzanians working illegally in Kenya, especially in the border towns. We just don't feel threatened by you to make a big fuss about it. Thousands more Tanzanians are beggars in Kenyan towns. Thousands others are witchdoctors with posters everywhere of 'Daktari kutoka Tanzania'.

With all this fertile land you keep talking about, plus the 90% resources, why are you still poorer than us? With indications that the gap is only widening?

 

[Kobello]

The Azam guy owns big chunks of various markets.

And once again in your lazy mind you think only politicians can be millionaires. Hamuwezi endelea nyinyi.
In the media, SK Macharia is a billionaire. He is not a politician.
In manufacturing Vimal Shah is the biggest. He is not a politician.
In retail, the Shahs and the Tuskys family are billionaires. They are not politicians.
In real estate, the Murayas are probably billionaires. They are not politicians.
In banking, James Mwangi and others are billionaires. They are not politicians.

These are just the most notable ones from those fields. There are many more in the same fields who are dollar millionaires.

As you wait for your kids and grandkids to come exploit to 90%, Kenya will continue working now. Just pray that you're kids and grandkids won't start crossing over here the way Mexicans do to the US.

Azam guy isn,t a billionaire, in Africa, according to Forbes Magazine there are no Kenyan Billionaires.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Why do you continue overestimating your importance. If any country feeds us it's Uganda because we import their sugar. Food imports from Tanzania contribute something like a 0.1% of Kenya's consumption.
As a matter of fact, Kenya exports more consumables to Tanzania than vice versa.

For the rest of the non-consumables, the stats are out there if you spared a minute to check.
Since time immemorial, the trade imbalance between Kenya and Tanzania favours Kenya. We simply export to you more than we import from you.

Kenya has built more miles of road than Tanzania.. I don't know where you were going with this when the truth is already known.
USING YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY.. Another sign of laziness. Go and research and tell me which person or country grew without taking loans. Europe is what it is today because of the Marshall plan. Japan debt is 200% of the GDP.

All rating agency still give Kenya B+ and above. Tanzania is meanwhile too poor to be rated.
We have not defaulted on any loans.

Just because you've bought 2 planes with your own money you think you've entered the big boys league? Kenya Airways has bought many planes over the years.
In line with standards by more experienced airlines, they've only just recently adopted leasing. Perhaps once you graduate from kindergarten in terms of running an airline, you'll understand the economics.

There are so many Tanzanians working illegally in Kenya, especially in the border towns. We just don't feel threatened by you to make a big fuss about it. Thousands more Tanzanians are beggars in Kenyan towns. Thousands others are witchdoctors with posters everywhere of 'Daktari kutoka Tanzania'.

With all this fertile land you keep talking about, plus the 90% resources, why are you still poorer than us? With indications that the gap is only widening?

Go to your trade ministry and asked them how much food and another product Kenya import from Tanzania, or go to Namanga - Nairobi road and see for yourself how many truck with Tanzanian licence number plates standing by the side of road waiting to off load agricultural products from Tanzania. The number of consumer good from Kenya to Tanzania and Uganda is diminishing.Those two countries have been busy opening new and modem factories in last 10yrs. They producing more modern consumer good using more modern machineries (in Tanzania supermarket today they stock up to 70% of local produce). Meanwhile Kenya is still lingering with old machine's of 1980's (trust me, I've seen them with my own eye, I know what I'm taking about). Manufacturing in Kenya has stagnated for the last ten years.

Ethiopia’s Manufacturing Sector Grows, Attracts investors As Kenya Stagnates

http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/bus...0-3844464-view-printVersion-hbch2w/index.html

While we have chosen not to be rated previously because we didn't want to tangled ourselves with loans which we couldn't afford. On the other hand, your happily clapping for Kenyan rating which in turn has made Kenya loans magnet but only the loans end up in the pocket's of dubious politicians but paid back by the rest of the country. It was a choose we made and it has work, we're still here and in better position today, control inflation, higher export earnings, better tourism intake, and on the right track with financial discipline.

Tanzania: Govt Secures Credit Rating Services for Eurobond Issue

The level of stupidity is on another level, if you have thieves eating all your money where will you get the money to build anything. I'll repeat it again, TANZANIA WE USE OUR OWN MONEY to build our infrastructure projects, its called self reliance.

If your not threaten by Tanzanian progress why 85% of Kenyan threads here in JF are all base on KE vs TZ? Of course your sh*ting in your pants. Tanzania is putting it's house in order from land reform, wielded corruption, financial discipline, immigration reform, education reform, social security reforms, state workers reform, which Kenya will NEVER EVER touch because her own tribalism problems. If you touch any of those subject, one community will fight with other. Remember there is more than 500 Kenyan companies in Tanzania who they swore not to never live TZ, some of them are even registering as Tanzania companies and sale there product back to Kenya because production cost in Tanzania is way cheap than in Kenya.