If God knows the future (omniscient), can you change your destiny?

[kaka km]

Ishmael ukija kuanzisha kanisa lako utakuwa unawaambia watu kuwa atheists ni mbwa?

as a christian you are supposed to be an example and here you are carried away by kaka km

Unapenda sana ishmael awe/aanzishe kanisa? Naona mara kadhaa ukimwambia hilo jambo.

Hata wewe unaweza kuanzisha kanisa,kuna atheist churches nyingi sasa duniani,anzisha lako hapa Tanzania,utapata waumini wengi housegirl.

 

[Ishmael]

Ishmael ukija kuanzisha kanisa lako utakuwa unawaambia watu kuwa atheists ni mbwa?

as a christian you are supposed to be an example and here you are carried away by kaka km

Hebu msome Yesu hapa. Hivi alikuwa anamaanisha nini?

Matthew 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

Mark 7:27 …26Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter.27And He was saying to her, "Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."28But she answered and said to Him, "Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table feed on the children's crumbs."…

Nafikiri sasa umesha elewa kuwa ndugu yetu kaka km alimaanisha nini kuhusu yule Mbwa kipenzi anaitwa Osama. Sasa nikikwambia jina la wakwangu mimi si ndio utasema nakufuru. Mbwa wangu mimi ana jina la Nabii wa ile deen ya Uarabuni.

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

*sigh*

what are you fussing about?? kisa kuuliza "mbona hutoi your ideas?" kwani nilivyoomba idea zako nilijua wewe ni Aristotle?
kwahiyo ningeulizaje labda? b'se nimewaza ni wangapi zaidi wamenielewa kimakosa!!!!!

Ulitakiwa kuuliza hivi, "unazungumziaje kuhusiana na hili maana sioni msimamo wako" nikikupa jibu unaweza ukauliza "na sababu za kusema hivyo ni zipi!?" sasa mimi hapo ninaweza nikakupatia sababu niki refer concept mbalimbali hata quote zako mwenyewe kwasababu huwa nasoma maelezo ya kila mmoja nikiona tuna share idea nagonga like, Yamkini pia mlianza kujiona kina Aristotle ukaanza kutoa na kauli za kuudhi kwa mfano unaniambia hivi wewe mbona ni mshabiki wa watu, dah! aisee kweli!? hebu angalia hiyo quote yako hapa chini

EXACTLY. hata concept ya [a world where death is impossible+world where death is impossible] is difficult for some people to grasp.

hivi Mkuu wa chuo mbona sionagi unatoa mawazo yako? we ni kulike tu na kuquote watu na kuwashabikia!!!! its weird dude

hapo nilipo bold underline, yaani hapo unamaana kwamba yale mawazo yote unayoyatoa ni ya kwako mwenyewe! ndio maana nilikuambia safi sana... haukuishia hapo hapo nilipoweka red dah! aisee unamaanisha kwa maana nyingine sijui hata ninachofanya nipo kushabikia tu! halafu hapo kwenye blue ndio ukaua kabisa kwa kushangaa...

kwa namna hiyo ni lazima ueleweke hivyo ndio maana imebidi na wengine washangae tu

 

[juve2012]

If God knows everything, then you can't really change your future. It's pre-written.
But there's free will. So, you can choose or not to go to hell?
Also, when a man impregnates a woman is he forcing God to produce a new soul?

Unapozungumza habari ya Mungu,mzungumze kama Mungu.Unapozungumza habari ya binadamu,kumbuka kutofautisha namna yake tofauti na Mungu.Mungu anajua kila kitu,he is timeless,he see things timelessly,he is not bound by age,because age is one of his creations.lakini wewe na mimi tuko within a certain time limit,tuna age.Yeye huona mwanzo wetu hadi mwisho,ndio maana keshaujua na kuunakili,kwa vile hawezi kuubadili,he cant change our future,because it is already written,by us,He is not the writer,we are.He is just waiting for everybody to finnish writing his/her future,out of our free will,actually he is waiting for us to complete our age,of which he already know how it ends.

 

[housegirl]

Ishmael I was really looking forward to you quoting me scriptures to back up you ill behaviour. tunaweza kuanza kuquotiana hapa tukaona how the bibe backs us both.

Proverbs 12:18 There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing
(you are not doing any good insulting non beleivers)

Romans 14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.

Luke 6:27-36 .........pray for
those who mistreat you.
Whoever hits you on the
cheek, offer him the other
also......
(isnt calling your fellow a dog mistreating them?)

Mathew 5:43-48.........For if
you love those who love
you, what reward have
you? Do not even the tax-
gatherers do the same?
(if your father was a non beleiver would you call him a dog? would you call your fellow christian a dog?)

Luke 6:27-36 And
just as you want people to
treat you, treat them in the
same way.
(how would you like it if a muslim called you a dog?)

But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return and your reward will be great
(just because people do not receive well the gospel doesnt give you the right to mistreat them)

James 4:11,12......... There is only one lawgiver and judge,
he who is able to save and to destroy.
But who are you to judge your
neighbor?
(leave the name calling to God Jesus)

 

[housegirl]

Unapenda sana ishmael awe/aanzishe kanisa? Naona mara kadhaa ukimwambia hilo jambo.

Hata wewe unaweza kuanzisha kanisa,kuna atheist churches nyingi sasa duniani,anzisha lako hapa Tanzania,utapata waumini wengi housegirl.

no. alituambiaga that he wants to establish a bible study here in JF "atupe vitu adimu"

I think he should hold on to that thought and re-check if its really his calling.

unfortunatley I'm not an atheist and dont intend to "teach" anyone anything.

 

[CYBERTEQ]

Unapenda sana ishmael awe/aanzishe kanisa? Naona mara kadhaa ukimwambia hilo jambo.

Hata wewe unaweza kuanzisha kanisa,kuna atheist churches nyingi sasa duniani,anzisha lako hapa Tanzania,utapata waumini wengi housegirl.

Pfuuuuubwahahahahahha!

 

[Eiyer]

wala usitilie shaka uwezo wangu. ni mara ya pili hii unaniambia hivyo. you dont see that u might be the one witg the problem?

mfano uliotoa unaonyesha kabisa kuwa HUELEWI NACHOSEMA. na sidhani kama tutaelewana leo. labda siku nyingine

wewe unasema sijui kwanini duniani kuna uovu as a conclusion kwa kutoelewa logic yangu.

swali lako la kwanini nataka kujua, NIMEKUJIBU. nimesema I wanted to know God's nature/attributes

Kazi kweli kweli ....!!

 

[tindikalikali]

Mie nimewaaza wee,ndio nimeona niulize hivi,ila msiniseme eti mswahili anauliza swali juu ya swali..nauliza hivi,wewe mtoa mada umesema Mungu ndiye huona future,hivyo keshajua everything,then unatuuliza sie viumbe kama tunaweza kubadili destiny,sasa unatuuliza sie kwani ni Mungu?si umuulize huyo Mungu aliyekwishaona mwisho?sie tunawezaje kubadili destiny yetu ilhali hatujaijua bado?sisi tunaishi tukiitengeneza destiny yetu hatua kwa hatua,na mapito hayo ya "hatua kwa hatua" yana maana kubwa kwetu,Mungu anaona mwisho,ila mie nadhani kuona huko hakutumii kubadili destiny zetu,tunazitengeneza wenyewe God doesn't change anything.Vinginevyo kama angeutumia uwezo wake huo kubadili destiny zetu,basi hata shetani asingeasi maana angetafutiwa dawa mapemaa,au ndio tuseme destiny ya shetani ni uasi?well,ni sawa but still yeye shetani kaitengeneza mwenyewe,not God.mie nimeona hivyo tuu,hayo maoni yangu na maswali magumu sitaki.hizi mada nyingine ngumu bhana,ah!

ha ha sawa mkuu..mbona umejibu kwani wewe ni mungu?

 

[Ishmael]

Ishmael I was really looking forward to you quoting me scriptures to back up you ill behaviour. tunaweza kuanza kuquotiana hapa tukaona how the bibe backs us both.

Proverbs 12:18 There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing
(you are not doing any good insulting non beleivers)

Romans 14:1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.

Luke 6:27-36 .........pray for
those who mistreat you.
Whoever hits you on the
cheek, offer him the other
also......
(isnt calling your fellow a dog mistreating them?)

Mathew 5:43-48.........For if
you love those who love
you, what reward have
you? Do not even the tax-
gatherers do the same?
(if your father was a non beleiver would you call him a dog? would you call your fellow christian a dog?)

Luke 6:27-36 And
just as you want people to
treat you, treat them in the
same way.
(how would you like it if a muslim called you a dog?)

But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return and your reward will be great
(just because people do not receive well the gospel doesnt give you the right to mistreat them)

James 4:11,12......... There is only one lawgiver and judge,
he who is able to save and to destroy.
But who are you to judge your
neighbor?
(leave the name calling to God Jesus)

Let me give you this: Proverbs 27:5-6King James Version (KJV)

5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

 

[Ishmael]

Pfuuuuubwahahahahahha!

Wenzako waooooote wamesha kimbia, waite waje kujibu maswali na vihoja vyao walivyo vianzisha na kuwanshida.

 

[Ishmael]

Nontheism Lies, Misconception, Misrepresenting BUSTED AND DEBUNKED
​

NON THEISTS COMMON ARGUMENT

By Kiranga
Kabla ya kuniambia mungu ananipenda, tafadhali thibitisha kwamba yupo.

HERE IS THE ANSWER FROM THE SAME PERSON

By Kiranga
Hujaelewa/ unakwepa swali, siulizi mungu wangu, nauliza mungu wako.

ANOTHER REPLY FROM A NON THEIST

By Free ideas
God is a complicated entity which requires a much more certificated explanation ..........
It can't be better than this.

ARGUMENT THAT NON THEISTS DON'T APPLY FAITH IN THEIR LIFE

By Kiranga

Sitaki kuamini, nataka kujua.

Sijashindwa kuthibitisha uwepo wangu, wewe ndiye umeshindwa kutaja framework na margin of error.

Uthibitisho wowote ambao hauna defined domain/ framework and margin of error ni ubatili.

HAPA SASA ANAONYESHA KUKUBALI IMANI KWA KUPINGA MADAI YAKE YA AWALI

By Kiranga
I can barely tolerate it for practical reasons linked to it's current inescapable nature as pointed above. That is, in order to eradicate it, one has to barely accommodate it, and converge towards it's gradual eradication methodically.

Experimentation, peer review and observation in a corrective and critically reflective culture (the opposite of faith) would eventually converge towards less belief and more knowledge.

That is how science advances.

HAPA ANASEMA KUWA YUPO ALLERGIC NA BELIEF

By Kiranga
I am allergic to belief.

I would rather know, thank you very much.
HUYOOOOO kesha anza kuonyesha tatizo katika UONGO WAKE WA ALLERGY

HAPA CHINI ANAFANYA FLIP FLOP NA KUKUBALI FAITH

By Kiranga
Inherently I do not have a problem with faith.

....

Here is where some choose to have total faith in an invisible god while others choose to have only a minimal amountn of faith based on.rationality and gradually converge towards knowledge.

NDUGU ZANGUNI,

Mimi sina la zaidi au la kuongeza, leo mmesha muelewa kuwa jamaa ni FLIP FLOP na SI MALI KITU, Ndio maana anatumia IGNORE LIST katika Debate.

Majibu mmesha yapata kuwa huyo Non Theist si Mali kitu

 

[ndileki]

Nontheism Lies, Misconception, Misrepresenting BUSTED AND DEBUNKED
​

NON THEISTS COMMON ARGUMENT



HERE IS THE ANSWER FROM THE SAME PERSON



ANOTHER REPLY FROM A NON THEIST




ARGUMENT THAT NON THEISTS DON'T APPLY FAITH IN THEIR LIFE


HAPA SASA ANAONYESHA KUKUBALI IMANI KWA KUPINGA MADAI YAKE YA AWALI




HAPA ANASEMA KUWA YUPO ALLERGIC NA BELIEF


HAPA CHINI ANAFANYA FLIP FLOP NA KUKUBALI FAITH


NDUGU ZANGUNI,

Mimi sina la zaidi au la kuongeza, leo mmesha muelewa kuwa jamaa ni FLIP FLOP na SI MALI KITU, Ndio maana anatumia IGNORE LIST katika Debate.

Majibu mmesha yapata kuwa huyo Non Theist si Mali kitu

Hahahahhahah kwel huyu Non theist is mali kitu hana uhakika na arguments zake

 

[schizoid-man]

Ndipo watakaponiita, lakini sitaitika;
Watanitafuta kwa bidii, wasinione.

Kwa kuwa walichukia maarifa, Wala
hawakuchagua kumcha Bwana.

Hawakukubali mashauri yangu, Wakayadharau
maonyo yangu yote.

Kwa hiyo watakula matunda ya njia yao,
Watashiba mashauri yao wenyewe.

Maana kurudi nyuma kwao wajinga kutawaua,
Na kufanikiwa kwao wapumbavu kutawaangamiza.

Bali kila anisikilizaye atakaa salama, Naye
atatulia bila kuogopa mabaya.

Mithali 1:28-33

 

[Ishmael]

Kwa.sababu tunahambua ukweli na hadithi zisizo na ukweli.

Kwa sababu wewe ndiye uliyejibuzana nami hapa kama mtetezi wa uwepo wa mungu.

Hii ni ndoano, umeimeza mwenyewee lazima uikimbie. Pole sana mfuata dini ya darwin.

 

[juve2012]

ha ha sawa mkuu..mbona umejibu kwani wewe ni mungu?

Hilo la shetani nimejibu kwa kuwa Mungu aliamua ku-share info zake pamoja nasi for a purpose.Alitaka awareness yetu juu ya kiumbe huyo na kwa nini yuko hivyo na ataendelea kuwa hivyo.Kwa hiyo suala la shetani kuwa muasi linaeleweka,tofauti na mimi na wewe,hatujui hatma zetu maana bado tunaziandika tuu wenyewe,ni jukumu letu kuziandika,ili tutimize kitu kinaitwa "choices".

 

[Sir Able]

What really future mean! does it come? or we fight for or there is a pont we meet each other.....think on

 

[housegirl]

Let me give you this: Proverbs 27:5-6King James Version (KJV)

5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

rebuking is insulting??? una tofauti gani na wazazi wanaoita watoto wao mbwa?
wounding a friend by calling him a derogetory names?

you can interprete those scriptures however you see fit.

Proverbs 10:31,32.........The lips of the
righteous know what is acceptable,
but the mouth of the wicked, what is
perverse.

Psalm 10:7 His mouth is filled with cursing and deceit and oppression; under his tongue are mischief and iniquity.

Psalm 109:17 He loved to curse; let curses come upon him! He did not delight in blessing; may it be far from him

Ephesians 5:4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish
talk nor crude joking, which are out of
place, but instead let there be
thanksgiving

Proverbs 1:1-33.......... To know wisdom
and instruction, to understand words
of insight, to receive instruction in
wise dealing, in righteousness, justice,
and equity..........

Timothy 4:12 Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an
example in speech, in conduct, in
love, in faith, in purity.



waefeso 4:29 Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and
helpful, so that your words will be an
encouragement to those who hear
them

duh. kweli kua uyaone. i have never met such "Christians" in my life. unbeleivable!!!!! au mnatania?????
Yesu na Arudi!!

 

[housegirl]

Mkuu wa chuo so ningeuliza "opinions" na sio "ideas"?

point taken.....

 

[housegirl]

Pfuuuuubwahahahahahha!

"atheist church"

i know. the humour in that is on the extreems.