If our President has more than one wife: The question of human rights

[Zero]

To make it even, lets allow women to marry many men. They do that in some parts of India (though its also illegal out there). If we can't do that, then lets all stick to monogamy. I can just imagine myself being married to the same wife with Kinyambiss. Lol.!!!!

 

[Kinyambiss]

You all the time go back to the same issue I explained; My country is Tanzania, I am a Tanzanian. For you what comes first is Islam; for me what comes first is Tanzania, Tanzania is the Land where my mother father grad grand father were born and I am caling it my Land; and in the process of partition was called Tanganyika, and by the the process of Nationalism it is Tanzania. Therefore my land/my ancestors and my culture existed before Islam and Christianity, that is my point. For me all those (Islam and Christianity) are tools and poisons which have cripled our thinking. And in the same process it is true to say Islamic or chritian ideologies or beliefs (call them what) are the first tools which made us absolete! Kyanmbiss you are among the victims of cultural imperialism!

If you knew me, you would not say that. I agree about the influence of foreign traditions on African societies. You almost got me now.. You said for me its Islam first, umekosea kidogo. This is not about me personally. I dont wish to share my personal faith on JF because it is irrelevant, lakini what u got right is.. for Muslims, they are Muslims first before anything. That is the difference. And that is what makes this issue so difficult.. Sio Kinyambiss that says that... its the way it is. I just wanted you to realize the mentality that they have. And that is the problem that anyone who would try to impose monogamy would face in Tz. Dont get me wrong I'm not saying agree with that path, lakini at least now you understand what the barrier is.. TO MUSLIMS ISLAM comes FIRST above all other things... even family. SO mbaya wako sio kinyambiss, but rather the Islamic way of thinking. Nadhani hapo finally tutakuwa tumeelewana..lol

 

[Interested Observer]

If you knew me, you would not say that. I agree about the influence of foreign traditions on African societies. You almost got me now.. You said for me its Islam first, umekosea kidogo. This is not about me personally. I dont wish to share my personal faith on JF because it is irrelevant, lakini what u got right is.. for Muslims, they are Muslims first before anything. That is the difference. And that is what makes this issue so difficult.. Sio Kinyambiss that says that... its the way it is. I just wanted you to realize the mentality that they have. And that is the problem that anyone who would try to impose monogamy would face in Tz. Dont get me wrong I'm not saying agree with that path, lakini at least now you understand what the barrier is.. TO MUSLIMS ISLAM comes FIRST above all other things... even family. SO mbaya wako sio kinyambiss, but rather the Islamic way of thinking. Nadhani hapo finally tutakuwa tumeelewana..lol

First of all I appreciate your admittance to your weakness on the influence of foreign cultures to your society. You've been frank; thank you.
But let me tell you this:
The same cultures which are foreign will never be allowed to influence government in China
The same cultures which are foreign will never be allowed to influence governments in Australia, the Arab world, India, EU, etc etc.

They have their doctrine: When you come to our land you must obey our Laws. That is all; because they are strong and their governments are strong on enforcing such laws. They leave you with your freedom of worship. In Saudi Arabia even christian churches are not allowed.

Indian businessmen are known for being very corrupt in Africa. They will not do the same in EU, America, or Australia. Or even their own countries. Everybody doing dubious business find it easier doing it in Africa; because we are very weak.

You can spread your culture very easily in africa as long as you have money. Just last year I heard that Budhism is growing in Tanzania; some Taiwan and South African Budha Society have been handing out cheap gifts including food and money to poor people and polticians. Pepole are converting. Those who are doing it are doing with the special aim, in the end to get people in their arena so that in the future they can get influence their wish.

So if we will tell these christians, Islamists etc etc that, this is our land you should obey our laws of the Land they will do that. Because we are passive and stupid; we embarce these cultures. These cultures divide us and leave us in conflict. And that is where we are heading.

To uproot such mentality we need people like you; education system that allows pepole to understand it is their country first. A country must have roots, and in Tanzania we have very strong laws, but the presidents are the law breakers. Reinforcement of ethics and rule of law will lead to that level. That is why we are asking about a president who hides himself from a real picture who he is!

 

[Kinyambiss]

First of all I appreciate your admittance to your weakness on the influence of foreign cultures to your society. You've been frank; thank you.
But let me tell you this:
The same cultures which are foreign will never be allowed to influence government in China
The same cultures which are foreign will never be allowed to influence governments in Australia, the Arab world, India, EU, etc etc.

They have their doctrine: When you come to our land you must obey our Laws. That is all; because they are strong and their governments are strong on enforcing such laws. They leave you with your freedom of worship. In Saudi Arabia even christian churches are not allowed.

Indian businessmen are known for being very corrupt in Africa. They will not do the same in EU, America, or Australia. Or even their own countries. Everybody doing dubious business find it easier doing it in Africa; because we are very weak.

You can spread your culture very easily in africa as long as you have money. Just last year I heard that Budhism is growing in Tanzania; some Taiwan and South African Budha Society have been handing out cheap gifts including food and money to poor people and polticians. Pepole are converting. Those who are doing it are doing with the special aim, in the end to get people in their arena so that in the future they can get influence their wish.

So if we will tell these christians, Islamists etc etc that, this is our land you should obey our laws of the Land they will do that. Because we are passive and stupid; we embarce these cultures. These cultures divide us and leave us in conflict. And that is where we are heading.

To uproot such mentality we need people like you; education system that allows pepole to understand it is their country first. A country must have roots, and in Tanzania we have very strong laws, but the presidents are the law breakers. Reinforcement of ethics and rule of law will lead to that level. That is why we are asking about a president who hides himself from a real picture who he is!

Excuse yourself! my weakness?lol I have no weakenss of the sort. Dont you mean our weakeness.. as society, my personal stance is not up for discussion, as matter of fact it isnt by any means manifest on this forum.. It is difficult to erase cultural influences, that is the problem. China knew this and tried to isolate itself in the 19th century, Japan as well.. The middle east, its easy for them because of their fundamental islamic culture which is never really fully compatible with too many foreign influences. I guess everyone in Tanzania needs to do what the Maasai have done, whic is retain as much of their traditions as possible... funny enough, including polygamy. Sasa tuwakataze because its immoral sio.. because we have the almighty yardstick from George Kichaka...please.

 

[Interested Observer]

Excuse yourself! my weakness?lol I have no weakenss of the sort. Dont you mean our weakeness.. as society, my personal stance is not up for discussion, as matter of fact it isnt by any means manifest on this forum.. It is difficult to erase cultural influences, that is the problem. China knew this and tried to isolate itself in the 19th century, Japan as well.. The middle east, its easy for them because of their fundamental islamic culture which is never really fully compatible with too many foreign influences. I guess everyone in Tanzania needs to do what the Maasai have done, whic is retain as much of their traditions as possible... funny enough, including polygamy. Sasa tuwakataze because its immoral sio.. because we have the almighty yardstick from George Kichaka...please.

that is a flipflop i must stop now; but you agreed that some section of our country people do not take Tanzania as their first, rather they would take their beliefs first!
bye!

 

[Calnde]

Here there is question of legality, morality,and religious status! In reality law has nothing to do with morality and so we can not struggle to extend law into morality.It is for this general rule therefore,president or any other government official can not have legal sanctity on marriage issues! However, due to status of so named officials its better for the question of morality be put in mind!

 

[AbdulKensington]

A Tale of Two Wives​

A couple of days back we had people here claiming that JK had two wives (at least). That sounded like a joke, but having more than one human being for a wife is no laughing matter!

JK is a leader. At east that is what most of us believe. What does it say about his view regarding the dignity of women if he can pick a couple of them as wives? Nothing lowers the dignity of women more than to combine several of them as your wives.

Leaders know that they are held to a higher standard than the rest. That is why some of them hide the fact that they have more than one partner when they are running for office. It is not possible to genuinely say that women have the same dignity as men and then have several of them as your wives.

Are one man and two wives three equal partners? In what way would the ladies be singly equal in dignity to the man and to each other? The dignity of each one of them is grossly violated when they take turns playing wife!

If JK has two wives then he should stop hiding one of them. He should at least have the decency to treat them with equal dignity, both in private and in public. He should take them both on his frequent international travel, and attend all functions with both. If he is embarrassed to be seen to be polygamous, then he ought not be polygamous! Above all, he should bring them both to his public rallies when he runs for re-election. The people deserve to know what kind of a man they are electing into office.

It may well be that some religions allow men to marry several wives. But it does not follow that nations approve of polygamous individuals ruling them. It offends against equality, and it is deeply embarrassing to have a polygamist as your president!

How can women activists in Tanzania close their eyes to polygamy? Polygamy reduces women into objects of pleasure. Women are not the same as men, but they are meant to be of equal dignity to men. In a situation of polygamy, to fight for the dignity of women must include fighting to end the abhorrent practice!

In this postmodern world, it is unacceptable for a nation to embrace polygamy and or polyandry. We must end it this primitive practice!

President Jakaya Kikwete is a Muslim and muslims are allowed to marry upto 4 wives as long as the husband treats them all equally. It is better to have a woman as your wife than as your "mistress" or "concubine".....so what dignity are you talking about? It is proven that there are more women than men in this world and the number of women is still increasing at a higher pace than that of the men, so this fact is here to stay. As a father, dont you think it is better to have some of your daughters married as second or third wives than become "Public property"? by public property I mean "prostitutes"...the women who lack the "dignity" your talking about. I can clearly see that you have been influenced by western ideologies, think like an African.....because I am sure that your ancestoral fathers had more than one wife and that may be the reason you are alive today! You cannot call polygamy an "abhorrent" and "primitive" practice while it is a way of life for Muslims and I can argue with you that it is correct on the basis of population imbalances between the male and female. We refuse to evaluate our President on the basis of him having more than one wife, like I said, his religion allows him and I am asking you to respect that....otherwise you will have gone against the Human Right act of everyones right to beleif.

 

[Lady Capricorn]

To those who are "concerned" about women's dignity, wouldn't it be better to talk about our appalling rate of schoolgirl pregnancies, early marriages and child rape? Focus on the disempowered, not the swingers jamani. Getting upset over other people's consensual and legal matrimonial arrangements between consenting adults demonstrates a concern with extending your morality to a diverse society and has little to do with "protecting" women. Haya mambo ya faux-Beijing achana nayo. There are far more important things to worry about than whether or not more than one woman is interested in being married to the President. Like: girl children getting raped and expolited, being trafficked for housework and sex work, dropping out of school etc. need a cause? pick one that makes sense and stop crusading through other people's bedrooms.

 

[Future-Tanzania]

To those who are "concerned" about women's dignity, wouldn't it be better to talk about our appalling rate of schoolgirl pregnancies, early marriages and child rape? Focus on the disempowered, not the swingers jamani. Getting upset over other people's consensual and legal matrimonial arrangements between consenting adults demonstrates a concern with extending your morality to a diverse society and has little to do with "protecting" women. Haya mambo ya faux-Beijing achana nayo. There are far more important things to worry about than whether or not more than one woman is interested in being married to the President. Like: girl children getting raped and expolited, being trafficked for housework and sex work, dropping out of school etc. need a cause? pick one that makes sense and stop crusading through other people's bedrooms.

lady Capricon, in order to understand and appreciate children and women right we need to understand where kiburi cha watu kuwanyanyasa these people is coming from!

I do understand what you mean, and that is what i see this topic should be, nonetheless it will be wrong to try to talk about those issues while families we all grow up believe a woman has no say on the way she is living. Umenipata hapo?

Do you know how many women and children get rape in Tanzania and they are ashame to go public? why because their own families believe that is right? and if they dont what they say it is her fault!

this is what a problem comes my dear! In Tanzania women wanaonewa, and more than 50% of women who are in poligymous marriage sio kwamba walitaka, if this count all Tanzania, look at Mwanza, musoma, arusha, and so on! dont only dar even dar itself some people are forced to get married as well! Open your eyes my darling!

 

[Future-Tanzania]

President Jakaya Kikwete is a Muslim and muslims are allowed to marry upto 4 wives as long as the husband treats them all equally. It is better to have a woman as your wife than as your "mistress" or "concubine".....so what dignity are you talking about? It is proven that there are more women than men in this world and the number of women is still increasing at a higher pace than that of the men, so this fact is here to stay. As a father, dont you think it is better to have some of your daughters married as second or third wives than become "Public property"? by public property I mean "prostitutes"...the women who lack the "dignity" your talking about. I can clearly see that you have been influenced by western ideologies, think like an African.....because I am sure that your ancestoral fathers had more than one wife and that may be the reason you are alive today! You cannot call polygamy an "abhorrent" and "primitive" practice while it is a way of life for Muslims and I can argue with you that it is correct on the basis of population imbalances between the male and female. We refuse to evaluate our President on the basis of him having more than one wife, like I said, his religion allows him and I am asking you to respect that....otherwise you will have gone against the Human Right act of everyones right to beleif.

Cant you raise ur argument without using religion! Politics with religion should always be avoided, as other couple people said, if we not careful we are going to end up being like laboniess!

Who said you are a muslim or christin? just some people who come up with those religion to make sure that people are not getting along well. i do believe in my religion but i cant look at it as a way to make a country make its laws! achani unafiki wa dini, if u are really a true whatever u believe in, kwanini unafanya mambo against ur belief then...

Have your say without putting religion mate! what i can say Grow up in politics!

 

[Interested Observer]

To those who are "concerned" about women's dignity, wouldn't it be better to talk about our appalling rate of schoolgirl pregnancies, early marriages and child rape? Focus on the disempowered, not the swingers jamani. Getting upset over other people's consensual and legal matrimonial arrangements between consenting adults demonstrates a concern with extending your morality to a diverse society and has little to do with "protecting" women. Haya mambo ya faux-Beijing achana nayo. There are far more important things to worry about than whether or not more than one woman is interested in being married to the President. Like: girl children getting raped and expolited, being trafficked for housework and sex work, dropping out of school etc. need a cause? pick one that makes sense and stop crusading through other people's bedrooms.

Lady Capricon,
If you read this topic very well and the author of this article you can see that he is very concerned about our appalling rate of school girls pregnancies, early marriages and child rapes. instead of going straight to the streets, he would like to start from the rootcause of these vices, that is our declining family values, morals and non respect of our own laws. In a society of high morals and values where people value their families there will be less rapes and less unwanted pregnancies.

POlygamy leads to a man marrying more than one woman, some end up with more than four; children are born from such wedlocks; it is more than a man economics as he has to support those kids. The kids who are not supported will endup in what you have said.

Therefore our values should start from our grassroots!

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

"need a cause? pick one that makes sense and stop crusading through other people's bedrooms".

I like this quote

 

[LazyDog]

Someone spoke about ethics.
So, you want the next President, learders and our laws be based in our own values?

...Tanzania needs a President who have to work overtime; we cannot eat enough food; education is in shambles and few get proper education. No proper housing scheme. The medical facilities and our hospitals including health care system is in no place. We do not have any backbone industry, from Agriculture to Steel and Oil. And we call it a nation? And that nation has a President; and that president has time to have .............

The President deserve all the luxury he wants. If he wishes to stay in USA and around the World for 6 days every 5 weeks, that is fine. If he wants to fall in love once again by having a second wife - King Mswati style, that too, should be OK! 🙂

 

[Lady Capricorn]

Future-Tanzania, now we are talking.
If the problem is forced marriage, why not call a spade a spade and say that you are against forced marriage because it goes against a woman's right to choose? forced marriage to a monogamist is not much more fun than forced marriage to a polygamist, my dear.
I agree with you that we need to look at how families operate and why we oppress women from childhood, resulting in: forced marriage and forced sex, which is the topic here after all. Banning polygamy is not going to do a damn thing to address that, it will just drive matters underground and instead of many formal arrangement we will end up with many ndoa za mikeka.

Also, to be effective in challenging horrible gender slavery, we need to choose our battles wisely instead of barking up a dubious moral proposition. if your point is that no woman should be forced against her will into marriage, then state it clearly and take matters from there. But unless we are using clear examples of forced marriage please let us not raise people's names in vain and examine their (again, consensual and legal) arrangements.

 

[Magobe T]

I suppose I understand your puported good intentions, however you have to know that this is not my personal view that I want to marry many wives, nor am I married to many women. What I am arguing is that, for the people who practice it, in Tanzania, both men and women, after all, women who are married under such contracts do so by choice and therefore are not really being forced into anything, at least not legally. My point is no Muslim will ever accept a situation where his or her rights are curtailed for the sake of following some western ideal of morality, regardless of whether or not they even want to exercise that right. In the mind of a Muslim, it is inconceivable that anything that curtails a provision of the Quran, under whatsoever the banner, can be moral. That is the point that I wish to highlight here. My aim is not to meet half way or be on any side. All I seek to do is to set clear the idea that no Muslim will give such concessions simply because they already have the rights in Tanzania. Non muslims, with the exception of highly objective western scholars who are few and far between, often fail to comprehend the stance which Islam takes. It is perceived by adherents as being timeless. It, like Judaism and Buddhism, but unlike western christianity, is not a dynamic faith. In 10,000 years, if there are still Muslims, they will have the same practices as they did in 660 AD. Understand that first then we can talk. In other words ndugu yangu, I sympathize because I understand just how difficult it is for u to understand my point here, hawa watu hawawezi kukubali kwasababu dini yao haikubali mabadiliko. Kwa mfano juzi juzi niliona statement kwamba the Catholica Church wanapinga death penalty, which is a good thing... lakini nikakumbuka the inquisition nikacheka. They redefine their doctrine according to society. Islam haina hiyo. It is today as its always been haibadiliki. Kwahiyo kuondoa haki ya kuoa wake up to wa4 itachukuliwa kama kupigavita uislam, which may not be the intention of the advocates for change, equality etc?! sijui unanisoma?!

Mfano wako kuhusu marekani, EU etc.. Mimi naishi in the EU, here Muslims consider themselves living in the Land of Infidels kwahiyo they dont demand too much na hawaoi more than one wife, in their mind sio kwao... so inabidi wavumilie... Tanzania is a different case, kwasababu walikuwepo before Tanzania was even Tanganyika. Tukiweza kukubaliana mpaka hapo then we can discuss steps forward.

Kwani hata hao Wakatoliki unaosema, ni kitu gani kimebadilika? Siyo sheria - kwani sheria ya Mungu inasema - USIUE. Kinachobadilika ni 'interpretation' ya hiyo sheria, mfano, vita, 'self-defence', etc. Jinsi unavyojieleza ni kama una 'absolute knowledge' ya dini ya Kiislamu. Na hiyo 'rigidity' unayoisema ndiyo uliyo nayo wewe.

Lakini neno ya Mungu ni 'dynamic' - maana inabadilika kulingana na kuguswa kwa mtu au kukua kiimani. Hatuwezi kung'ang'ania kitu kimoja tu as if ndicho kilichosemwa tu kwenye maandiko.

'The word of God is multi-dimensional' - na hii maana inabadilika kulingana na mazingira yanavyobadilika 'we are perfectable' - the word of God transforms us to be more perfect than we what we were before. Kama halikufanyi hivyo, then you have to challenge your perception of faith!

Lakini hata mimi nawafahamu 'serious muslims' wanaopinga 'polygamy' na 'death penalty'. Sasa sijui utasema wao siyo Waislamu na ni wewe tu ni mwumini halisi kwa vile unang'ang'ania hayo unayosema?

Kitu ambacho unashindwa kutofautisha ni Amri za Mungu na Mapokeo. Kwa kawaida Amri za Mungu hazibadiliki (kutokana na wisdom ya Mungu) kwani ni kamilifu. Lakini mapokeo yanabadilika. Wakati Wakristo wanakubali 'death penalty' - interpretation hiyo ilikuwa influenced na watu kama Thomas Aquinas, ambaye alijaribu kuelezea teolojia ya upendo wa Mungu kwa binadamu na akai'link' na hiyo 'death penalty' - kwa maana kwamba mtu anayemwua mtu 'innocent' damu yake inamlilia kwa Mungu na kwa vile Mungu ni mwenye haki, hata huyo anastahili hiyo hukumu.

Lakini baada ya Thomas kumetokea wataalamu wengine wa maandiko wanaoweza vilevile kutoa 'interpretation' kuwa 'afterall' Mungu ni upendo na anatupenda 'unconditionally'. Hivyo, upendo wa Mungu kwetu hautokani na matendo yetu, bali upendo wake na huruma yake ndivyo vinavyotufanya tustahili uzima wa milele.

Interpretation hii inaendana pia na mafundisho ya Yesu ya kusamehe '7X70' (indefinitely) yaani bila kuhesabu tumekosewa mara ngapi. Na ndiyo maana Yesu alimsamehe yule mama mzinzi aliyeletwa kwake ili watu waone Yesu atajibuje na pia hata wale waliomtesa aliwasamehe.

Kwa hiyo, kwa baadhi ya Wakristo 'death penalty' ni kama ina'betray' maana ya 'the right to life', ambayo kimsingi uhai ni zawadi ya Mungu kwetu na ni haki ya kila mmoja wetu. Na hata ikitokea tukaua kwa namna moja au nyingine lazima tu'regret' kwani siyo tendo la fadhila. kama ilivyo kusamehe, huruma na kuwasaidia wenye shida.

Hata kwenye Qur'an kuna mistari inayosisitiza matendo ya fadhila na ni kwa bahati mbaya kwa Waislamu wengi wanatumia aya moja au mbili tu bila kuangalia aya zingine zinasema nini. Hebu jaribu kuona aya zingine zinasema nini kuhusu 'forgiveness' na uone kama hutakuta hayo ninayosema.

 

[Interested Observer]

Polygamy Stop: FAQ

Please read the facts with peace, and venture the website! but striking features can be seen here. Enjoy that website Link which answers all questions.

Are Polygamous Nations The Best In The World?
No. This conviction is based on the year 1999-2004 social indicators as put forward by the UNICEF, UNFPA, UNESCO, UNDP, USAID, WHO, CLO, World Bank, Transparency International, Amnesty International, Population Reference Bureau (USA), etc. These said indicators have repeatedly revealed that polygamous nations are the first fifty:

Most corrupt countries.
Poorest countries.
Countries that have the worst human rights records.
Overpopulated countries.
Countries that have the highest concentration, and largest population of illiterate, destitute and jobless people, including street beggars, street prostitutes, armed robbers, ritual killers, killer witches, religious fanatic and terrorists, etc.
Countries that have the highest incidences of ethnic and religious violence (so much God, so much violence and wickedness).
Least developing countries- politically, socially, economically and technologically.
Countries that have the highest rates of pandemic diseases/ sexually transmitted infections (e.g. HIV/AIDS).
Countries that are run by oppressive governments that usually make refugees of their nationals abroad.
Countries that have the largest population and concentration of people that loathe the ultimate-monogamous Western cultures (anti-Western feelings).
Countries that are non-democratic or lack credible democracy.
Countries that breed world’s largest population of potential and desperate economic immigrants with blighted future that must commit crime or emigrate to distant lands (especially the West) for survival in the face of death by starvation.
Countries that have low life expectancy of their citizens at about 50 years and below.
Countries that cannot provide social security systems (e.g. unemployment benefit) for their largely excessive, non-resourceful and poor population: Or, countries where unemployment benefit-schemes are inconceivable (See CAPWOI books for details.)

 

[Interested Observer]

Source
Polygamy Stop: FAQ

 

[Pundit]

Lady Capricorn waambie, mie wanaweza kunisema "male chauvinistic pic" kumbe wao ndiyo "The Chauvinist's Chauvinist"

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Future-Tanzania, now we are talking.
If the problem is forced marriage, why not call a spade a spade and say that you are against forced marriage because it goes against a woman's right to choose? forced marriage to a monogamist is not much more fun than forced marriage to a polygamist, my dear.
I agree with you that we need to look at how families operate and why we oppress women from childhood, resulting in: forced marriage and forced sex, which is the topic here after all. Banning polygamy is not going to do a damn thing to address that, it will just drive matters underground and instead of many formal arrangement we will end up with many ndoa za mikeka.

Also, to be effective in challenging horrible gender slavery, we need to choose our battles wisely instead of barking up a dubious moral proposition. if your point is that no woman should be forced against her will into marriage, then state it clearly and take matters from there. But unless we are using clear examples of forced marriage please let us not raise people's names in vain and examine their (again, consensual and legal) arrangements.

Lady Capricorn,
I like how you spit. It's pure fire!

 

[AbdulKensington]

Cant you raise ur argument without using religion! Politics with religion should always be avoided, as other couple people said, if we not careful we are going to end up being like laboniess!

Who said you are a muslim or christin? just some people who come up with those religion to make sure that people are not getting along well. i do believe in my religion but i cant look at it as a way to make a country make its laws! achani unafiki wa dini, if u are really a true whatever u believe in, kwanini unafanya mambo against ur belief then...

Have your say without putting religion mate! what i can say Grow up in politics!

Religion is a way of life! Everything in life is guided by your religion especially on cases of marriage and family life. I am not trying to combine religion and politics, all I am saying is that his Excelencys' religion allows him to marry more than one wife and he is not doing that because he is not a faithful and trustworthy person.....that is what my quotee was trying to say. Huu sio unafiki wa dini, hapa tunatumia dini kama 'guideline' yetu. The President is not doing anything against his beleif, unaongea nini? Politics without religious morals is what has put this country in shambles and it is a shame to see that people are trying to seperate these two. We are not talking about religious ideologies, we are talking about religious morals.Elewa hilo ndugu yangu!