Inconvenience of Truth!!!

[Kabaridi]

^^^BTW, it's nice for you that you don't get worked up by this kind of talk but have you asked yourself why some of us do get worked up?

I don't know where you were during 2007/2008 PEV but I was in kenya for part of it...this is exactly how it started. I started receiving the chain emails (I still have some of them) a few months before and there were several blogs and forums peddling in this kind of talk...eti wakikuyu wako hivi..wamefanya vile..wanataka kutufanya hivi etc etc (they were not talking about individuals but wakikuyu, same as Kabaridi's OP). to our eternal shame, most of us kept quiet cos we thought ni ile propaganda ya kawaida tu, itaisha after uchaguzi na tutaendelea kama kawaida....well, we all saw what it resulted in. Now you're saying we should take it easy when we see the exact same thing happening again...I dont know how true this is but there are already reports of leaflets being passed around in RV, damn right we should get worked up! Most Kenyans are not safely ensconced in foreign countries and they are the ones who'll bear the brunt of this careless politicking.

Unrest is usually opportunistic and stirred up by influential people, but be mindful to watch those who loose elections. Since i started this thread i have been waiting for a post where one would ask what if, the issues could be resolved in a court of law, would we be talking this way at the moment? Someone wanted to exploit the situation for their selfish interest. That is the byproduct.

 

[Kabaridi]

Kabaridi,

Za leo mkuu mwenzangu?

Thanks mkuu all fine, what is the issue, you remember the uncatchable liver analogy, allow me to use it here just as an example. your brigade will label any constructive critism as slanderous material or tribal, forget post No.1, there are various critical points that have been raised, but fears are that that is extending tribalism.

 

[Dhuks]

so BS, propaganda and hate speech aimed at an entire community does not qualify as tribalism? When someone posts videos alleging that Luos have a certain negative intention towards other Kenyans, leave alone that they now have become radical Muslims in this narrative, this does not constitute tribal slander in your book?

That's hate speech not tribalism.

 

[kshaka]

That's hate speech not tribalism.

dude, you're more intelligent than this. I get the feeling you're being deliberately obtuse here...and also that you wouldn't be so blasé about it if it were going the other way.

Question: if hate speech directed against a particular race is racism, what is hate speech directed against a particular tribe...?

(2 points)

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

...your brigade will label any constructive critism as slanderous material or tribal,...

Hapa sasa ndipo unaniacha mataani...now I have a brigade in here mtu wangu?....:confused2:

The only critical point you have raised was tryna attach the Prime Minister with this terrorist agenda and musing
as to what will happen to Kenya if he won the elections. I answered...life would still go on. I see no need for fear
mongering on a Raila Presidency whatsoever....hio ni mambo ya zamani.

Now the angle of tribalism is being advanced from other quarters and they feel aggrieved...how to convince them
is up to you. Mimi niko sidelines on that one.

 

[Edzeame]

Now the angle of tribalism is being advanced from other quarters and they feel aggrieved...how to convince them
is up to you. Mimi niko sidelines on that one.

There is something fishy concerning the upswing of last minute behind the curtain power brokerage deals like Raila, Kalanzo, and Mudavadi ,peter kenneth POA, alliances. Most of these guys have well documented blots of corruption /money laundering schemes within their time in administration laced on their profiles. Mudavadi-Tuju-Peter-Kenneth alliance, is housing/shielding conniving elements like cyrus jirongo, yet as kenyans, I am shocked we are distracted on these tribal cum ethnicity struggles maneno.

Kalonzo was on record being on the fore-front fighting against the Hague phenomena with an unwavering and energetic shuttle diplomacy to the international community to defer the cases from the Hague to a local tribunal. Today, he is in the first line of attack condemning the Hague bound duo. Mkuu, mswahili husema aliye na macho haambiwi tazama! Most of these candidates do not have anything to offer to Kenyans as gullible as they are but intent on maintaining and extending their free get-rich-quick schemes. On a mission to start where they left.

....Some think Ole man was too old, but you are yet to see more, cries, spillage, Drama when the judges vetted from the judges vetting board start applying their mandate conferred from him. Mudavadi and cyrus jirongo and the goldernberg scheme are inseparable, Peter kenneth has swindled much "cooporate-tax" during his tenure at kenya RE. Putting on a holier than thou countenance; Mkuu who can we trust, Certainly if not Uhuruto, neither can musalia-tuju-kenneth nor Odinga-Kalonzo.

 

[livefire]

There is something fishy concerning the upswing of last minute behind the curtain power brokerage deals like Raila, Kalanzo, and Mudavadi ,peter kenneth POA, alliances. Most of these guys have well documented blots of corruption /money laundering schemes within their time in administration laced on their profiles. Mudavadi-Tuju-Peter-Kenneth alliance, is housing/shielding conniving elements like cyrus jirongo, yet as kenyans, I am shocked we are distracted on these tribal cum ethnicity struggles maneno.

Kalonzo was on record being on the fore-front fighting against the Hague phenomena with an unwavering and energetic shuttle diplomacy to the international community to defer the cases from the Hague to a local tribunal. Today, he is in the first line of attack condemning the Hague bound duo. Mkuu, mswahili husema aliye na macho haambiwi tazama! Most of these candidates do not have anything to offer to Kenyans as gullible as they are but intent on maintaining and extending their free get-rich-quick schemes. On a mission to start where they left.

....Some think Ole man was too old, but you are yet to see more, cries, spillage, Drama when the judges vetted from the judges vetting board start applying their mandate conferred from him. Mudavadi and cyrus jirongo and the goldernberg scheme are inseparable, Peter kenneth has swindled much "cooporate-tax" during his tenure at kenya RE. Putting on a holier than thou countenance; Mkuu who can we trust, Certainly if not Uhuruto, neither can musalia-tuju-kenneth nor Odinga-Kalonzo.

pwahahahaha.....hii ujinga ya EAUB /nipate wacha ikae uko tu! "anyway, let the ole man be" but making Uhuruto look like angels whilst at the same time demonising any pact other than the two is mediocre slander comparable to the other court arm twisting narrative elsewhere.
Do u live in Kenya or are you a seasonal spammer out to taste the waters?
Ati Uhuruto are saints?....For one study the wealth of Uhuru, the greatest bandit ever to traverse the land of Kenya, ask forbes. Your kusema na kutenda guy, Ruto, is but another cunning fox. A very sly guy but averagely okay misfit...
PK is the only innocent fella in this "list". The rest are a rotten bunch, but Uhuru is beyond that. Ata mudamba the graveyard thief is more innocent here.
Since URP/TNA mistreated Kalonzo, despite his shuttle diplomacy efforts, are u in order to keep bickering that the guy betrayed you? For one, the guy did alot for the suspects but your PR abroad, eish ndugu, si poa as u may want JF to believe. Is that why u turned your back on him? He came where he is treated as a member of value.
FINALLY: That mungiki guy shouldnt even be speaking of unity. After what i saw n heard, damn, NEVER EVER!!!!

 

[livefire]

dude....how dumb do you think Kenyans are? Nkt!!! Stick to geopolitics.

 

[kshaka]

dude....how dumb do you think Kenyans are? Nkt!!! Stick to geopolitics.

Kenyans have proven again and again that we are quite dumb :confused2:

 

[livefire]

Kenyans have proven again and again that we are quite dumb :confused2:

i think u are right, its time we revise that perception

 

[Edzeame]

Your kusema na kutenda guy, Ruto, is but another cunning fox. A very sly guy but averagely okay misfit...
PK is the only innocent fella in this "list". The rest are a rotten bunch, but Uhuru is beyond that. Ata mudamba the graveyard thief is more innocent here.
Since URP/TNA mistreated Kalonzo, despite his shuttle diplomacy efforts, are u in order to keep bickering that the guy betrayed you? For one, the guy did alot for the suspects but your PR abroad, eish ndugu, si poa as u may want JF to believe. Is that why u turned your back on him? He came where he is treated as a member of value.
FINALLY: That mungiki guy shouldnt even be speaking of unity. After what i saw n heard, damn, NEVER EVER!!!!

Hehehe huyo Kalonzo hata ole man knows him so well. desparate times calls for desperate measures in trying to salvage political careers. You are looking at the wrong place/Uhuruto, while the mudamba project is strolling its ways to the confines of statehouse:madgrin:.
i also find something abnormal in the character of this kalonzo guy, he has been denying all along about the coalition ODM-Wiper only to sign and visibly address it at the eleventh hour.

 

[Kabaridi]

Hapa sasa ndipo unaniacha mataani...now I have a brigade in here mtu wangu?....:confused2:

The only critical point you have raised was tryna attach the Prime Minister with this terrorist agenda and musing
as to what will happen to Kenya if he won the elections. I answered...life would still go on. I see no need for fear
mongering on a Raila Presidency whatsoever....hio ni mambo ya zamani.

Now the angle of tribalism is being advanced from other quarters and they feel aggrieved...how to convince them
is up to you. Mimi niko sidelines on that one.

samahani mkuu, nalikuwa safarini. ninachoweza sema ni nyinyi mumekataa kufungua mioyo yenu kwa madai eti kunaenezwa ukabila na chuki. Mkuu vipi?

 

[livefire]

kabaridi, ua answer al hold it close to ma chest. Am kinda too excited wth the major upcomings to politik about brain power nevermind u know what al say.lol. Lemmie dance in the meantime, celebrating dumb mudumber. Wish u knew how this man metaphorsized worry in the Luhya block, GOOD RIDDANCE, keep him. Hehe

 

[Kabaridi]

=>>@Ab-titchaz
I do not think that this view of tribalism when one is severly critical of a candidate is shared by most kenyans and I term them as self-righteous perceptions. nways, people are entitled to their own opinions. It is these highly compressed ideas that have been known overtime to erupt negatively. If our english serves us right, we know what hate speech is, we know what tribalism is internationally, but events unfolding in kenya are redefining these terms. An instance of hate speech, is simmilar to when a cabinet minister in zimbabwe openely suggested in the full glare of the public media that Mugabe must to die, yet you will find nothing simmilar of that nature in these posts. Yet I don't admire mugabe with all that blot and what he stands for.

in the use US of A, there are forums where these things are openely discussed, without participants labelling the other hate mongers or tribalists yet in kenya it is difficult to put across such issues even on a fora (forget clinging at post number 1). Definately all and I mean all Kenyans must change their perception about this.

 

[livefire]

Hehehe huyo Kalonzo hata ole man knows him so well. desparate times calls for desperate measures in trying to salvage political careers. You are looking at the wrong place/Uhuruto, while the mudamba project is strolling its ways to the confines of statehouse:madgrin:.
i also find something abnormal in the character of this kalonzo guy, he has been denying all along about the coalition ODM-Wiper only to sign and visibly address it at the eleventh hour.

this project is going nowhere near statehouse!!!!!!
i think next time i tell you mudumber has no political future take it seriously, he is done n done with pronto!

 

[kshaka]

=>>@Ab-titchaz
I do not think that this view of tribalism when one is severly critical of a candidate is shared by most kenyans and I term them as self-righteous perceptions. nways, people are entitled to their own opinions. It is these highly compressed ideas that have been known overtime to erupt negatively. If our english serves us right, we know what hate speech is, we know what tribalism is internationally, but events unfolding in kenya are redefining these terms. An instance of hate speech, is simmilar to when a cabinet minister in zimbabwe openely suggested in the full glare of the public media that Mugabe must to die, yet you will find nothing simmilar of that nature in these posts. Yet I don't admire mugabe with all that blot and what he stands for.

in the use US of A, there are forums where these things are openely discussed, without participants labelling the other hate mongers or tribalists yet in kenya it is difficult to put across such issues even on a fora (forget clinging at post number 1). Definately all and I mean all Kenyans must change their perception about this.

let's just clarify one thing here, AGAIN. There is nothing wrong with supporting or not supporting any candidate and there is nothing wrong with criticising any or all of them. Doing that does not make you a tribalist. When your criticising is couched in the terms you started with, i.e. this community is like this or are doing/have done that and, therefore, we shouldn't vote for a candidate who happens to be from that community....then that IS tribalism no matter how you try to spin it.

As for the rest of your stuff...it's funny how Raila is both a "puppet" of the west and a radical Muslim communist :lol:

P.S. You can talk all you want about sovereignty and freedom in our relationship with the west but as long as your mouth is still stuck firmly on their tit, then you really have no leg to stand on. Africans who preach about sovereignty but won't stop taking aid are really quite pathetic...others say; "give me freedom or give me death", you're saying; "give me freedom AND your money :lol:

 

[Kabaridi]

let's just clarify one thing here, AGAIN. There is nothing wrong with supporting or not supporting any candidate and there is nothing wrong with criticising any or all of them. Doing that does not make you a tribalist. When your criticising is couched in the terms you started with, i.e. this community is like this or are doing/have done that and, therefore, we shouldn't vote for a candidate who happens to be from that community....then that IS tribalism no matter how you try to spin it.

As for the rest of your stuff...it's funny how Raila is both a "puppet" of the west and a radical Muslim communist :lol:

P.S. You can talk all you want about sovereignty and freedom in our relationship with the west but as long as your mouth is still stuck firmly on their tit, then you really have no leg to stand on. Africans who preach about sovereignty but won't stop taking aid are really quite pathetic...others say; "give me freedom or give me death", you're saying; "give me freedom AND your money :lol:

Talk of endemic overdependence of monetary aid, we might be doing very well at the bottom of the list. Aid centered with ridiculous conditions like allowing homosexual rights is what leaders want to add to their reform and liberative portfolio. ....Otherwise who will analyse our issues. if not us.

empowering people economically will only take place where there's goodwill for creating a peaceful environment for people to run their business. but let no one cheat you economic prosperity will come to people when one wants to plant the seeds of ethnic animosity.