TanzaniaLaw
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Evidence is the key and not reason. In fact, you never gave us any impeccable reasons and you can not give us reasons why Satan is not existing.
Give me one reason, why is Satan not existing.
Is Atheism Satanism?
Is Atheism Satanism?
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Give me one reason, why is Satan not existing.
descarte
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Young man your evidences without good reasons are empty and peculiar so to speak.
Satan only existing in your mind. Satan is merely a mental idea which is not corresponding to the reality out there. I have said this so many times,If you got a good reason to refute my claim present it. I have been waiting for your reasons or evidence as you call it for the existence of such being .
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF SATAN PLEASE. YOU WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO GIVE EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF SATAN SINCE THE WORLD BEGUN😀😀😀😀.
descarte
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As usual for you do not answer qn but only asks. Can you answer my question first
Eiyer
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So,kwa mujibu wa maelezo yako Shetani hayupo,unaweza kunipa ushahidi wa haya madai yako?
descarte
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First your question is irrelevant sorry to say that.
when you talk about Satan,is not something material or sth you can observed by your senses and say he is there or not.
Satan is a pure concept, here we deals with concept therefore asking a question of the evidence of something which is not material is irrelevant.
In fact in the same way, one cannot asks for the evidence of God cuz it is hold to be a spiritual being.
Therefore,your question about Satan is meaningless in sense that when i turn around it and asks you to give me evidences of the existence of Satan. I am hundred percent sure you cannot do that.You can only ask for reasons of why i believe Satan does not exist which i have provided already. If you disagree with me then give your supporting reasons of why you think such being exists?
descarte
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are you not the one who says that intellectuals do not use the word prove!!:🙄 Have you cease to be an intellectual.
Young man how many times should i tell you this. I am not an atheist neither theist.my claim is, neither of the two people cannot provide good reasons of either god exists or not. In other words, none of you can give a good rational grounds of god existence or non existence of god.
Nkwesa Makambo
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Wait a minute... Satan is not material being hence no need of evidence ???
...and you have been asking for evidence to prove that God exists... Were you seeking evidence of the created god/god of the gaps and not The God creator of the universe ?
Eiyer
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So,unaamini Shetani hayupo,sawa ..
Sijaona maelezo yako uliyotoa kuhusu kuamini kwako kutokuwepo kwa Shetani,unaweza kunieleza tena?
Eiyer
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Kwanini unataka upewe maelezo na watu kuhusu uwepo wa Mungu?
Hivi inakuwaje kama Mungu yupo lakini watu wanashindwa tu kutoa maelezo mazuri yanayohusu uwepo wake?
Kujenga msimami kutokama na misimamo ya watu kuhusu Mungu ni hatari sana!
descarte
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What i meant in asking that question was to show you that asking for evidences in issues of god or Satan is weak claims. In fact i told you from the beginning that asking evidences in such a discourse is peculiar cuz they are no empirical evidences which you can provide. I told from the begging there is difference btn reasons and evidences.You refused to acknowledge that and i decided to use your own argument to challenge ur claims.
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I do not belief in Satan, what is satan? that should be the first question. What do people believe about satan? Then if you mention all the attributes of satan you just find that satan is merely an imaginary being. It is not a substance only exist as far as human mind exists. In other words satan is not a being which exist independent. is not I tend to think people hold the view of Satan because they do not want to accept their moral responsibility and natural occurrence of event on earth.
Nkwesa Makambo
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That being the case, what do you want us to do that you acknowledge the presence of creator of the universe ?
descarte
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You know people pretend to know things which we cannot by our intellect. we are limited, question of either god exists or not is the matter of faith but if you use reasons to establish his existence then there the problem starts. You said that
"Hivi inakuwaje kama Mungu yupo lakini watu wanashindwa tu kutoa maelezo mazuri yanayohusu uwepo wake?"
First when you use the word Hivi,it is already a presumption so you cannot assert something based on presumption in order to get the results you want.
"Kujenga msimami kutokama na misimamo ya watu kuhusu Mungu ni hatari sana!"
I am agree with you to some extent. i am agree in sense that one should be able to give his own reasons on something he believe to be true however i disagree in the sense that our knowledge is shared so it sound strange for someone to believe sth even if you see ur counter argument is powerful. Therefore,It is not the matter of being rigid and seal yourself from your beliefs but rather to be open minded and be objective and honest enough.
descarte
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I do not know either there is a creator or not. I am sure you do not know too. This is the world we have found ourselves. we do not know where we came from and where we are going. We do not know what we are,we try to make ourselves.
descarte
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Those are false accusations. read my posts about my stand