Is it not contradictory to say prayers to the same God who allowed Africans to be colonized, cudgelled and harshly treated by the Colonizers?

[Cecil J]

I present this question to you. What sin did our African ancestors commit that made God justify African colonization and harsh treatments from western colonizers?

 

[Yoda]

Utumwa na Ukoloni umekuwepo karibia sehemu zote duniani

 

[Cecil J]

Utumwa na Ukoloni umekuwepo karibia sehemu zote duniani

Achana na utumwa tuende kwenye ku-colonize bara la Afrika.

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

That would be tantamount to denying Israelites special privilege of humbling themselves before God by giving up their sinful ways, just because He suffered them to be subjugated, tormented and colonized many times over by heathen nations.

 

[Muccigang]

Mungu anataka tutumie akili zetu zaidi

 

[Yoda]

Achana na utumwa tuende kwenye ku-colonize bara la Afrika.

Dunia imekuwa na ukoloni tangu binadamu waanze kuwa na states.
Japan imewahi kuzifanya China na Korea makoloni yake, Misri ya mafarao ilikuwa inazifanya States nyingine makaloni yake, Ulaya wao wenyewe kwa wenyewe tangu enzi za Roman Empire walikuwa wanafanyana makoloni mpaka walipochoka na kuamua kutoka nje ya Ulaya.

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Sure, God has his own ways of blessing people

Pointedly. When the Lord does something, whether curiously unpalatable to our faithless eyes, the intention is normally for our own good.

We ought to learn to take God for our best Friend, not an incendiary foe.

 

[Cecil J]

Pointedly. When the Lord does something, whether curiously unpalatable to our faithless eyes, the intention is normally for our own good.

We ought to learn to take God for our best Friend, not a foe.

That same God who is perceived to be merciful allowed his very creation (human beings) to be tormented, killed and shamed. Would you beg for help from a person who had forsaken you in the past?

 

[Cecil J]

Utumwa na Ukoloni umekuwepo karibia sehemu zote duniani

Kama Mungu aliuruhusu utumwa uwepo, how are we then sure that anaweza kutusaidia tukimwomba, when we know that he once allowed inhuman, cruel, and intolerable tortures be faced by men

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

That same God who is perceived to be merciful allowed his very creation (human beings) to be tormented, killed and shamed. Would you beg for help from a person who had forsaken you in the past?

If I understood you correctly, you are simply saying you would never show remorse and ask for forgiveness for the very wrongdoings that you're responsible.

 

[NABII MTARAJIWA]

I present this question to you. What sin did our African ancestors commit that made God justify African colonization and harsh treatments from western colonizers?

Each country has been colonised. Africans has mistreated the Israelites in Egypt so we have paid it. The Bible says whatever a man saw he will reap!

 

[Cecil J]

Each country has been colonised. Africans has mistreated the Israelites in Egypt so we have paid it. The Bible says whatever a man saw he will reap!

Did God allow all those stuffs?

 

[Cecil J]

If I understood you correctly, you are simply saying you would never show remorse and ask for forgiveness for the very wrongdoings that you're responsible.

I would show remorse but I 'd never believe that God is there for me as I know he lets the unjust sufferings torment his "people".

 

[NABII MTARAJIWA]

Kama Mungu aliuruhusu utumwa uwepo, how are we then sure that anaweza kutusaidia tukimwomba, when we know that he once allowed inhuman, cruel, and intolerable tortures be faced by men

Tatizo lenu hamfahamu misingi ya ulimwengu na uwepo wa ukimwengu wa roho. Fahamu kuwa kuna Mungu na kuna shetani na wote huwatumia wanadamu. Kwa hiyo sio kila kitu unachokiona kimekusudiwa na Mungu. Mungu ni mwema wakati wote na hapendi mtu yeyote apotee!. Lakini ametupa uhuru tuamue kwa hiari kumfuata au kumfuata shetani. Mila na desturi nyingi zina asili ktk ufalme wa giza ambao mwanadamu ameukubali kwa hiari tangu Adamu.

 

[NABII MTARAJIWA]

I would show remorse but I 'd never believe that God is there for me as I know he lets the unjust sufferings torment his "people".

You are in deed a Fool. Anybody who deny the existence of God the Bible calls him or her a fool! Why because the creation proclaim God's power. Nothing can come into existence by its own. There is a creator and that creator is God.

 

[Cecil J]

Tatizo lenu hamfahamu misingi ya ulimwengu na uwepo wa ukimwengu wa roho. Fahamu kuwa kuna Mungu na kuna shetani na wote huwatumia wanadamu. Kwa hiyo sio kila kitu unachokiona kimekusudiwa na Mungu. Mungu ni mwema wakati wote na hapendi mtu yeyote apotee!. Lakini ametupa uhuru tuamue kwa hiari kumfuata au kumfuata shetani. Mila na desturi nyingi zina asili ktk ufalme wa giza ambao mwanadamu ameukubali kwa hiari tangu Adamu.

Mungu ndiye mlinzi mkuu wa Ulimwengu wetu na inawezekana hafanyi kazi yeye-wanaifanya malaika na viumbe wengine wakimbingu. Sasa tukio likitokea bovu kabisa, kama WWI should we actually say that God willingly permitted the stuff-WWI to happen? If so, do you have anything to say when others believe that, that same God is not capable of helping them?

 

[Cecil J]

You are in deed a Fool. Anybody who deny the existence of God the Bible calls him or her a fool! Why because the creation proclaim God's power. Nothing can come into existence by its own. There is a creator and that creator is God.

I didn 't call for a cursing program, you seem to be forgetting that we are still on the discussion. Unapata hasira mapema sana

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Did God allow all those stuffs?

The basic principle here is that since He has power to prevent those dark chapters from tainting historical books, then He's, as it were, responsible by default.

Though He does it for specific reasons, for our own good.

 

[Cecil J]

The basic principle here is that since He has power to prevent those dark chapters from tainting historical books, then He's, as it were, responsible by default.

Okay, you are at last getting to my side, so do you have the audacity to convince people to believe that that same God who is responsible for those horrendous stuffs can help them out of their current problems? And how would you justify that?

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Mungu ndiye mlinzi mkuu wa Ulimwengu wetu na inawezekana hafanyi kazi yeye-wanaifanya malaika na viumbe wengine wakimbingu. Sasa tukio likitokea bovu kabisa, kama WWI should we actually say that God willingly permitted the stuff-WWI to happen? If so, do you have anything to say when others believe that, that same God is not capable of helping them?

There is a huge difference between divinely permitting something to happen and being incapable of preventing it, or better yet, reckless enough to allow it.