Is non theism mindless?

Is non theism mindless?

beefinjector said:
Nyani Ngabu don't waste your time with that dumbass. That's all I can say.
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You have no arguments or evidence to justify your diabolical and fiendish non theist belief.
Instead you offer another stupid non theist talking point.

Non theism is mindless.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
Your thread.!!! kwanini umeileta huku sasa,you have to accept changamoto..
it is dishonest to claim that this is the worst objection to theism, just because you define God as uncaused. You have no evidence and logical reason to presume that a being could exist at all never mind be eternal.
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I can handle 100 non theists at one time. Still you did not refute my questions.
THEO 101: God is not physical - not located in the sky or elsewhere in space.
Those silly non theist memes will not work with informed people.

Massive evidence and arguments for God exist.

Here is an outline of some evidences for God argued in world class debates. Nobody has defeated any one of them.

Contingency – God is the best explanation for why something exists contingently rather than nothing. Something cannot begin from nothing without a cause. Therefore, Something necessarily self-exists. Self-existence is logically necessary. A Universe from Self –creation is logically impossible. Our Universe began to exist. Our Universe is not self-existent. Our Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it's existence. God does not – God has no beginning, but self-exists as prime.

Cosmological – Absolute beginning confirmed by Big Bang cosmology requires a causal agency. Cause of Physical Universe cannot itself be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.

Design: Specified, ordered and integrated interdependencies aimed towards a third-purpose design objectives clearly infer intelligent agency. ‘Chance' events within limited time-frames cannot rationally account for Design achievements. No sufficient Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations. Intelligent purpose is far more plausible explanation. Origin of radically sophisticated DNA information (software) driving molecular highly sophisticated molecular machines within each cell. Also, the design inference from irreducible complexity cannot and certainly has not been adequately explained.

Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor's edge. This is virtual mathematical proof of intent – a function of mind – is necessary to explain these precision orderings.

Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God's attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities must also be actual if possible, God must be actual.


Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?

Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?

Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul.
Chemicals have no moral duties.

Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (Atheism) – or an act of will.

Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, visions, fulfilled prophecies,.

Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE's, supernatural phenomena

Christ's resurrection witnessed by hundreds.

Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intention, intelligence, purpose, free-will…
 
Ishmael said:
I gave you already and you dodged it. Now refute my thread if you can. Stop your malarkey here.

The very answer YOU CHOSE PROMISES arguments and evidence! We are trying to figure out if non theism is a mindless belief. This isn't complicated Nyani Ngabu and I am not using Greek in this thread. You may call your girl friend to come and help you since she is hiding under IGNORE LIST.
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You have neither provided nor produced any physical evidence, thus far, establishing the existence of god.

Words and writings that claim god exists are not evidence of his/ her existence.

Saying it so doesn't make it so.

Therefore, you or any other entity pointing to writings that make such claims ain't gonna cut it.

You must provide physical, ironclad evidence if you want to be taken seriously.

If you can't provide it, then direct me and/ or other interested parties to where we can go and check it out for ourselves.

Other than that you will continue to be taken as clowns.

The ball is in your court.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
Ishmael still you didnt prove that non-believers are inferior than believers. Remember i'm not the one who claim any form of superiority or inferiority or even equality. So how can you prove your reason is superior???
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Simple; nothing can not producing anything. Nothing will remain nothing. From nothing you get nothing...
Those who believe otherwise are the mindless...
Kama hutaki sawa lakini ukweli ndio huo
 
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Ishmael said:
Hata weza kukujibu zaidi ya kukutupia maneno machafu. Jamaa hawa wanaishi kwenye box. Mfano Kiranga yeye kesha kiri kuwa hana uwezo wa kujibu zaidi ya aliyto karirishwa.
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Dini ni box kubwa lisilo na mlango wala dirisha. Sasa sijui nani anaishi kwenye box hapa
 
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Nyani Ngabu said:
You have neither provided nor produced any physical evidence, thus far, establishing the existence of god.

Words and writings that claim god exists are not evidence of his/ her existence.

Saying it so doesn't make it so.

Therefore, you or any other entity pointing to writings that make such claims ain't gonna cut it.

You must provide physical, ironclad evidence if you want to be taken seriously.

If you can't provide it, then direct me and/ or other interested parties to where we can go and check it out for ourselves.

Other than that you will continue to be taken as clowns.

The ball is in your court.
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1) Plenty of evidences for God exist (see below)
2) This moral argument IS ONE OF THE EVIDENCES.
3) The argument does not requires God be proven. It makes perfect contingency for no God. No God = No moral truth or duties. Requiring me to 'prove the proof' is invalid. It results in an infinite regress if taken seriously.

You have provided no rationally defensible basis for dismissing the argument as unsound, nor have you provided any sufficient and rationally coherent objective basis for morality as an alternative to God.

There is a reason this argument has never been defeated.

You can't refute my arguments I have argued.
You have been provided and outline of massive evidences. You can't defeat any of them. You ignore them.

Your non theist belief needs to be justified in evidence and argument. You non theists have none, so you try to exempt yourself with sophistry.

Your burden is huge now that Theists present evidences. You still have no evidence, just excuses in the face of massive evidence.

Non theism is intellectually lazy belief. Your video is evidence of this reality.


 
Nyani Ngabu said:
You have neither provided nor produced any physical evidence, thus far, establishing the existence of god.

Words and writings that claim god exists are not evidence of his/ her existence.

Saying it so doesn't make it so.

Therefore, you or any other entity pointing to writings that make such claims ain't gonna cut it.

You must provide physical, ironclad evidence if you want to be taken seriously.

If you can't provide it, then direct me and/ or other interested parties to where we can go and check it out for ourselves.

Other than that you will continue to be taken as clowns.

The ball is in your court.
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Do you have mind required to grasp the evidence ?
 
mpinga shetani said:
Dini ni box kubwa lisilo na mlango wala dirisha. Sasa sijui nani anaishi kwenye box hapa
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If we are 100% chemical animals and our chemicals cause child rape, why is child rape morally wrong?
Why is the child rapist morally culpable when he has no free-will choice?

Answer the questions?
 
Ishmael said:

You have no arguments or evidence to justify your diabolical and fiendish non theist belief.
Instead you offer another stupid non theist talking point.

Non theism is mindless.
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The only thing you are seemingly good at is hurling cheap and gratuitous insults.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
it is perfectly irrational and illogical to answer the theist question "who created the universe" with the question "who created God". Why will you not answer my object except to divert me to a lot of MAELEZO, which is not relevant to my objection. If I wrote an article "who created the universe" Is it fair for me to say to you that is a nonsense question, because I define the universe as eternal??? Because that is all you have done.
I checked out your cosmological argument and that full of the false premises all your arguments suffer from. There has never been a logical syllogism that is physical nothing less, that demonstrates the existence of God, they all fail with one logical fallacy. They make a premise that is unsupported, yours was just another failed try..!!!
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Fine Tuning alone is virtual proof

Your denial is empty. You can refute nothing.

Now where is your evidence and arguments to justify your belief that No God exists?
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
The only thing you are seemingly good at is hurling cheap and gratuitous insults.
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There is no "INSULT" in science.

Then why do clowns you lose every point of every debate?

You can't engage, much less refute, my arguments and evidences.

I refute everything of substance you throw at me.

You cannot defend against my refutations.

You cannot answer my questions.

You deny any burden to justify non theism. I justify Theism in evidence and reason.

You guys are really quite pathetic. Non theism is mindless.
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
Evidently you don't even have the mind to construct grammatically and syntactically sound sentences:becky:.
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Na wewe kama umehindwa kumulewa then you are dumb. Mimi namwelewa hata Mspanishi ambaye hajui Kiingereza, but I can figure nini anasema. You must be sick and mindless. By the way, Kiingereza sio maana yake kuwa una elimu.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
tulia wewe human history explains why people would hypothesis a God as a first cause, who has human emotions like love and anger. These emotions would not logically fit a being capable of being the first cause. If the universe needs a first cause which has simply not been demonstrated only asserted, then that being must need to have been caused.
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Science logic and reason rest on philosophy my mindless friend. You cannot build upon anything that has no foundation in reason. The Christian scientists like Francis Bacon who invented Empiricism (the modern scientific method) did so on the basis that God was reliably rational and unchanging, so His order could be discerned by falsification.

You got spanked by the evidence. You can't engage them either, much less refute them. You are just as frustrated and silly as Dirk
 
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