Je, Evolution ni Ukweli au Nadharia tu?

[Kilembwe]

Sasa hivi, wanasayansi wote wanaamini evolution ni ukweli kwakuwa imeweza kupredict vitu vingi sana na ina ushahidi mwingi sana.

LUCA- Living Universal Common Ancestor sayansi imeweka theory miaka minne iliyopita kuwa anaishi kama Eubacteria kwenye eneo acid kali chini ya bahari (siikumbuki)

 

[Uhakika Bro]

Sayansi na Dini hizi zote ni takataka na propaganda zilizotungwa na wahuni ili kufichwa ukweli wa asili ya maisha ya dunia na kweli hii huwezi ipata kwa kusoma hizo takataka za vitabu vya dini ama vitabu vya kisayansi vilivyobase kwenye nadharia za wahuni wa Propaganda za Evolution..

Wewe unatumia au unatushauri tutumie nini then ili kuujua ukweli?

Ushindi, kuna kitu kimoja unatakiwa kukifanyia kazi: Kujifunza kuamini. Sizungumzii believing. Kiswahili hakina maneno mengi ngoja nitumie kingereza. Learn to trust.

Kwa sababu vyote dini na sayansi vinafanya kazi ya kutusaidia kuujua ukweli fulani wa sisi kuwepo hapa. Sasa unapovikataa vyote sijui unataka nini. Je hautaki kuujua ukweli wowote?

Au nakusingizia tu trust tayari unayo sema umeamua kuwaamini hao waliokuambia usiwaamini wanasayansi na wanadini. Kweli ukaacha kuamini sayansi na dini?

Au najisumbua tu wewe upo lile kundi la skeptical wanaodai kuwa hakuna kitu kinaweza kujulikana tena kama ukweli ndo kabsaaa haujulikaniki?. Hawa mi ntasema wamekosa trust. Hawana imani na tool yoyote ile ambayo ingetumika inaweza kutusaidia kutusogeza kwenye ukweli zaidi.

 

[Uhakika Bro]

Lakini bado ni ngumu ku'argue kuwa hizi day to day behaviours zinaweza kuleta mabadiliko ambayo yanaweza kuwa inherited, na ndiyo maana Lamarck alipingwa..
However hii mada bado mbichi maana modern scientists bado wanafuatilia uwezekano wa non-DNA inheritence na epigenetics Lakini unfortunately hatuna Data za kutosha kusema ni ukweli au ni uongo..Hivyo this is an ongoing study

Tutafika tu kwenye kuthibitisha kikamilifu maana sayansi inakua. Na kutokana na tafiti katika haya magonjwa yasiyo ya kuambukiza it will be very soon.

Mfano day to day behaviour ya mzazi inamfanya anakuwa mnene, then anawarithisha watoto epigenetically na behaviourly. Nao wanakuwa wanene.

Nao wanawarithisha watoto wao hivyohivyo kizazi hadi kizazi, hamna siku genes nazo zitasarenda na kuwa hivyo? Kuendana na tried and tested behavior and epigenes.!

Na inawezekana labda ikahitaji vichache kama vizazi vinne tu vinavyohitajika kukazia mabadiliko. Au 40 au vingi zaidi sijui.

 

[She Quoted you]

Interesting😊🤔,,,naskia Kuna Kabila la watu wa bajawi huko south America ambao wameevolve juzi juzi Tu hapa🤥...Kuna gene imeevolve huko Na kuwafanya waweze kubana pumzi Majini Kwa Zaidi ya dakak 10 (binadamu wa kawaida mwisho Ni dakk 1-3) Kwa kuongeza ukubwa wa spleen inayotunza Zaidi damu yenye oxygen mwilini.

Kwahyo hiyo gene Imekuwa dominant kwao saivi.
Tatizo binadamu sikuizi tunasafiri Sana Na Kwa urahisi mnoooo.😎..hivyo tunachangamana Sana Na kufanyA gene kama hizi iwe rahisi kupotea🤫...kwahyo evolution ya binadamu in total imeslow down .Maana yake Ni Kuwa kama binadamu angengundua ndege Na Magali Kabla hizi races (wazungu,wachina) hazijaevolve, kulikuwa Na uwezekano mkubwa Leo kusingekuwa Na races maana wote tungekuwa tunafanana maana tulichangamana sana...

Na pia baada ya miaka mingi ijayo kutakuwa Na race moja Tu maana tutakuwa tumechangamana Sana Kias kwamba Kila mtu atakuwa 'chotara' Na hizi mambo Za wazungu Na waafrika zitakuwa story Za kwenye vipindi vya history...🙆

Na kinyume chake pia Ni Kweli.....maana yake binadamu tusingechangamana huenda kufikia Leo hizi races zetu zingekuwa Ni species tofauti,wote tusingekuwa kiumbe kimoja (binadamu) Na huenda weusi Na wazungu wasingeweza kulala Na kupata mtoto.

Hii pia inamaanisha Kuwa kama ikusingekuwa Na muingiliano, Hawa watu wa bajawi huenda wangeendelea kuevolve Na Kuwa hata samaki watu...
(Kumbuka nyangumi Na dolphin nao pia Ni mamalia waliokuwa wakiishi nchi kavu lakini wakapenda maji mpaka wakaevolve Kuwa wa Majini,,,samaki Hawa Hawana mapezi lakini Wana mapafu kama Sisi hivyo wanaishi Majini Kwa uwezo wa kubana pumzi mda mrefu)

 

[Mcqueenen]

Interesting😊🤔,,,naskia Kuna Kabila la watu wa bajawi huko south America ambao wameevolve juzi juzi Tu hapa🤥...Kuna gene imeevolve huko Na kuwafanya waweze kubana pumzi Majini Kwa Zaidi ya dakak 10 (binadamu wa kawaida mwisho Ni dakk 1-3) Kwa kuongeza ukubwa wa spleen inayotunza Zaidi damu yenye oxygen mwilini.

Kwahyo hiyo gene Imekuwa dominant kwao saivi.
Tatizo binadamu sikuizi tunasafiri Sana Na Kwa urahisi mnoooo.😎..hivyo tunachangamana Sana Na kufanyA gene kama hizi iwe rahisi kupotea🤫...kwahyo evolution ya binadamu in total imeslow down .Maana yake Ni Kuwa kama binadamu angengundua ndege Na Magali Kabla hizi races (wazungu,wachina) hazijaevolve, kulikuwa Na uwezekano mkubwa Leo kusingekuwa Na races maana wote tungekuwa tunafanana maana tulichangamana sana...

Na pia baada ya miaka mingi ijayo kutakuwa Na race moja Tu maana tutakuwa tumechangamana Sana Kias kwamba Kila mtu atakuwa 'chotara' Na hizi mambo Za wazungu Na waafrika zitakuwa story Za kwenye vipindi vya history...🙆

Na kinyume chake pia Ni Kweli.....maana yake binadamu tusingechangamana huenda kufikia Leo hizi races zetu zingekuwa Ni species tofauti,wote tusingekuwa kiumbe kimoja (binadamu) Na huenda weusi Na wazungu wasingeweza kulala Na kupata mtoto.

Hii pia inamaanisha Kuwa kama ikusingekuwa Na muingiliano, Hawa watu wa bajawi huenda wangeendelea kuevolve Na Kuwa hata samaki watu...
(Kumbuka nyangumi Na dolphin nao pia Ni mamalia waliokuwa wakiishi nchi kavu lakini wakapenda maji mpaka wakaevolve Kuwa wa Majini,,,samaki Hawa Hawana mapezi lakini Wana mapafu kama Sisi hivyo wanaishi Majini Kwa uwezo wa kubana pumzi mda mrefu)

Very nice

 

[Mtangoo]

Évolution: a tale for grownups!
Haina tofauti na hadithi ya binti chura!

 

[She Quoted you]

Évolution: a tale for grownups!
Haina tofauti na hadithi ya binti chura!

Okay Sawa....kwanini? Una evidence Gani against it?

 

[Nzige Mdudu]

Scientific Politics

 

[Smart911]

Kutoka nyani hadi binadamu...

 

[James Comey]

From the sequel "The Last Ship" kuna mzee mmoja anatoa mnakasha wa genetics akaukiza "Who needs appendix now"
Nikafatilia nikaona kuna watu wanafanyiwa surgery appendix inaondolewa na wanaishi bila complexities.
So inawezekana kuna evolution inaendelea.

Hata hivyo, vitabu vinaandika siku za mwisho maarifa yanapanuka sana

 

[Mtangoo]

Okay Sawa....kwanini? Una evidence Gani against it?

Unatoaje evidence against kitu ambacho hakipo?
Hakuna maelezo namna gani unicellular animal ambao allegedly ndio our ancestors waligeuka kuwa multicellular. Na ilikuwaje tukawa male and female. Na kati ya figo, moyo na mapafu kipi kilitangulia ku evolve? Kama ni moyo huyo kiumbe aliishije bila mapafu? Kama mapafu aliishije bila moyo?

Halafu linkuja suala la missing missing links. Kama evolution ilikuwa inafanyika taratibu kuna wanyama wangekufa kabla ya kuwa evolved. Yaani tuseme reptilia wana evolve kuwea birds then kw namna ilivyo slow kuna reptilia wangekufa kabl hawajawa ndege so repti-bird.

Sitaki kwenda kwenye deep scientific problems za evolution kwa sababu wengi hawataelewa na itakuwa ni waste of time.

No one have ever observed evolution. It happened in the mind of evolutionists like Darwin and is still happening in some minds today!

 

[Mtangoo]

From the sequel "The Last Ship" kuna mzee mmoja anatoa mnakasha wa genetics akaukiza "Who needs appendix now"
Nikafatilia nikaona kuna watu wanafanyiwa surgery appendix inaondolewa na wanaishi bila complexities.
So inawezekana kuna evolution inaendelea.

Hata hivyo, vitabu vinaandika siku za mwisho maarifa yanapanuka sana

Uneshawahi kusoma kazi za appendix?
Kama vestigial kaitoe basi...!

Genetics ni kaburi la evolution. Genetics points to Creator not random blind evolution processes

 

[Tresor Mandala]

Najifunza kitu hapa

 

[Uhakika Bro]

Uneshawahi kusoma kazi za appendix?
Kama vestigial kaitoe basi...!

Genetics ni kaburi la evolution. Genetics points to Creator not random blind evolution processes

What if the creator used evolution to bring about diversity of life we see today?

Na hicho kitu hakipingani na tunayoyakubali leo, ona mtoto kanazaliwa kadogo hakana ndevu, baadaye kadri muda unavyoenda ndio kanaota ndevu kanakuwa mwanaume. Anapata uwezo wa kuzalisha watoto etc. Mbona hata leo tunasema tumeumbwa na Mungu hata kama hatutokei tu kama watu tunaanza kama mpira wa seli?

 

[Mtangoo]

What if the creator used evolution to bring about diversity of life we see today?

Na hicho kitu hakipingani na tunayoyakubali leo, ona mtoto kanazaliwa kadogo hakana ndevu, baadaye kadri muda unavyoenda ndio kanaota ndevu kanakuwa mwanaume. Anapata uwezo wa kuzalisha watoto etc. Mbona hata leo tunasema tumeumbwa na Mungu hata kama hatutokei tu kama watu tunaanza kama mpira wa seli?

The good thing is we don't have to ask what if, when it comes to the Creator creating. He have given us a throughly account of creation.

First He created full grown man and made a woman out if him. That alone contradicts the whole evolutionary model.

Secondly he created everything in six days not millions of years. That puts last nail in the coffin. And finally He did that with intelligence hence mathematical universe with a lot of constants, language of life in cells et al. That buries the whole theory never to raise again.

It is either God created or from nothing and nowhere for no reason things came into being and evolved.

Am intelligent enough to reject fairy tale of evolution

 

[Uhakika Bro]

The good thing is we don't have to ask what if, when it comes to the Creator creating. He have given us a throughly account of creation.

First He created full grown man and made a woman out if him. That alone contradicts the whole evolutionary model.

Secondly he created everything in six days not millions of years. That puts last nail in the coffin. And finally He did that with intelligence hence mathematical universe with a lot of constants, language of life in cells et al. That buries the whole theory never to raise again.

It is either God created or from nothing and nowhere for no reason things came into being and evolved.

Am intelligent enough to reject fairy tale of evolution

Those people who recorded creation were not in position to write in evolutionaly terms as if they could if they were alive today or then during creation itself.

Relativistic concepts tells us that time is different depending on the observer. At that time there was only God so if He say I made cocoa tree in five seconds it doesnt mean if a human was there[ i dont know how] he could observe 5 seconds too. Halafu time doesn't bind God sijui kwa nini unalazimisha ni six days?

About created full grown it is not contradicting step by step evolution. If I ask you were you not created by God? Were you not a developing foetus in womb surrounded by a sea of amniotic fluid just like your ancestors did millions of years ago? Utasemaje?

 

[Mtangoo]

Those people who recorded creation were not in position to write in evolutionaly terms as if they could if they were alive today or then during creation itself.

Who are the "those people"? The Biblical account of Creation is God's revelation. There was no human, angel or anything else before creation and there was no human before Adam. So who are you talking about?

Relativistic concepts tells us that time is different depending on the observer.

So you are trying to limit God by the laws He put after creation? Those mathematical concepts are not eternal. God put them so they can never be limit factor when talking to supernatural creation. So forget about them when you are talking of Creation!

At that time there was only God so if He say I made cocoa tree in five seconds it doesnt mean if a human was there[ i dont know how] he could observe 5 seconds too.

God is the one giving that clear account to humans. Do you think you know better than the eye witness?

Halafu time doesn't bind God sijui kwa nini unalazimisha ni six days?

Silazimishi. God said so. wewe ndio unalazimisha ma idea yako yawe ukweli and you were not there!

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day - Genesis 1:31

I believe you are intelligent enough to figure out that evening and morning mean a normal day. In case you still have doubt God made sure we understand that He meant normal days. Listen to what He says here:

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

So God created in six days and rested from creating on seventh to create a model that we have adopted, and we call it a week. So if it wasn't normal six days, why did He order sons of Israel to keep seven days week with seventh day a sabbath?

Who is forcing his idea here?

About created full grown it is not contradicting step by step evolution.

Evolution means gradual changes, blind and unguided resulting in big changes over millions of years. So Adam could not be created in few minutes/hours of the day. It took millions of years to evolve first living thing into humans. You seem to be ignorant of what even the tale of evolution teaches!

If I ask you were you not created by God?

Yes. God made Adam and Eve and created in them ability to reproduce after their kind. Moreover God is the one who allow the formation of a child when sperm meets an egg. In that regard, I'm created by God!

Were you not a developing foetus in womb surrounded by a sea of amniotic fluid just like your ancestors did millions of years ago? Utasemaje?

Mixing a lie and some truth here. Did I as little baby (which you call a fetus and others call a lump of cell for their own agenda) in my mom's womb? Definitely!

Just like my ancestors? Yes, after Adam and Eve!

Millions of years? A big lie! You have zero proof that this was being done in millions of years. Prove me wrong and I will immediately send you 100,000TZS to your account of choice!

 

[Uhakika Bro]

Mr Stefano Mtangoo can you agree first to use your senses.

I mean let us not treat the said verses as somehow fixed. We can understand them and what they meant with application of reason.

Unapon'gangana days kama days za leo then itabidi utuelekeze how were they counted when the sun was not yet created?

Proofs za millions thousands of years zipo kwenye ma dating fossils.

About God Himself telling people to write there is one thing you are not taking into account. Level of knowledge of those people.
Example when God said 'I made everything in the universe'. In their language and science the whole universe was earth so they write 'I made everything in the earth'. What makes you think it wasn't the same with days?

And when one agrees with evolution there are various theories as to how it came about, guided willed etc all are available to choose from. Example Lamarks theory

 

[Mtangoo]

Mr Stefano Mtangoo can you agree first to use your senses.

I mean let us not treat the said verses as somehow fixed. We can understand them and what they meant with application of reason.

You are the one who is not using senses if anything!

Unapon'gangana days kama days za leo then itabidi utuelekeze how were they counted when the sun was not yet created?

Unaona shida ilipo? Unataka idea zako ndio ziwe kwenye hizo mistari hata kama hazipo. Is that your definition of using senses?
Light was created at the very beginning. Sun is created later. We do not need a sun to have morning and evening, we need light and darkness. Understanding now?

Proofs za millions thousands of years zipo kwenye ma dating fossils.

Aisee! Na wewe umekaririshwa? Nitajie dating method yoyote unayoijua ambayo inaweza pima kitu kilichokaa milions of years!
Umeanza standard lies of evolutionists. Hakuna evidence ya hizo milions of Years!

About God Himself telling people to write there is one thing you are not taking into account. Level of knowledge of those people.
Example when God said 'I made everything in the universe'. In their language and science the whole universe was earth so they write 'I made everything in the earth'. What makes you think it wasn't the same with days?

Futile assumption. You are trying to put language barrier that is not there! Where do you get this?

And when one agrees with evolution there are various theories as to how it came about, guided willed etc all are available to choose from. Example Lamarks theory

If you want to believe the fairy tale of evolution, you are welcome to do so. But do not try to justify it using the Bible. The Bible is very clear in what is teaches, does not have fake problems you are trying to make and contradicts evolution in every way possible!

Kids believes kissing a frog made a beautiful queen and some grownup thinks millions of years make a beautiful lady out of bacteria! The difference is age!

 

[Uhakika Bro]

Light was created at the very beginning. Sun is created later. We do not need a sun to have morning and evening, we need light and darkness. Understanding now?

Doesnt this itself show that those days [in which light and darkness I dont know how were they alternating] are not today's days in which we use light and darkness directed by the sun?