JF-Atheists HYPOCRITICALLY Whining!!!
JF-Atheists HYPOCRITICALLY Whining!!!
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Mi nafikiri hata ukiitwa MaxRespect ni haki yako mkuu.
Ila kutokana na maelezo hapa chini(by Juma Contena), niliona nipumzike kidogo, niangalie kwanza watu wanafanya nini.
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Let me begin by saying religious arguments are sensitive issues and i always try to avoid them whenever possible. I find it going into details they might provoke unwanted attention and also invite unwanted guests into the thread for non educative purposes. I've learnt that early on when I was a naive member of the forum trying to bring peace upon religious arguments.
That said if I were to go into details in these debates im gonna scrutinize you or anyone with historical facts that may be offensive if yo're a dedicated christian. From early christian to modern christianity trust me the're not the same. And how christianity got to other parts of the world and the real motive behind the spread. Oh yes sir the're historical facts too and modern evidence to support the arguments, unlike any religious book that speculates. Some of the issues other have already hinted in other aethist arguments and i've seen how they've provoked anger.
And if im honest your last posts suggest your a dedicated one (Christian). So with great respects to you has a man and your religion I think we should end here. Dont you think? Its one thing to question science and religion as whole, but its not right to single out one religion and scrutinize it. Thats my opinion.
______________Hiyo ilikuwa baada ya kubadilishana mawili matatu na yeye
kwenye thread ya "A Failed Attempt to Prove Darwinism"
Ni bible yenu inayosema haya;
1. Yesu aliwahi kuulizwa je umekuja kuibadilisha torah ya Moses? akajibu sikuja kuibadili bali kuiboresha {kwa maana hio kuongezea machache nakuendeleza aliyoacha Moses}
2. Bible yenu ndio inayofuata amri kumi za popobawa ambazo alipewa Moshee
You also remember this
Maxshimba your knowledge of theology is zeeeeeerooooooooo
Do you need a dictionary to understand my post?
About Marx, Lenin, Mao etc.
This is usually pointed out to us by Christians, whose predecessors got away with wholesale tortuous murder for over a millennium. What was that saying about the beam in one's own eye?
Meanwhile, although Communism teaches the nonexistence of God, that does not mean that Communism is not theistic in some of its practices and in some of its ways of thought. Communism, as practiced in China and the U.S.S.R. during these times, was very fundamentalistic in its approach to Communism as well as to atheism, and it is this fundamentalistic thinking which prompts irrational behavior. Communism taught that it had an exclusive on the truth and that all others, all non-Communists, were in error. At the same time, Communism squashed any dissenting points of view. This is a traditionally theistic way of thinking, if you ask me, acting as if loyal to a higher absolute, as if charged with the burden of protecting the reputation of that higher absolute. Communism failed to rid itself of the vestigial modes of thought resulting from hundreds of years of Christian and Islamic domination.
Also, Communism was very big on teaching slave mentality, an attitude that is usually associated with theistic systems -- not with atheistic thinking. Gora makes a very impressive case that Communism -- or any form of slave mentality, for that matter -- is rightly called a form of theism. Read about it in his book Positive Atheism in the India section of our website.
And again About Marx, Lenin, Mao etc.
Was it their atheism that prompted them to kill? If you can make the case that it was their atheism and their atheism alone that made them kill (if you can eliminate all other possible influences), then I will grant that atheists are responsible for propagating a murderous doctrine and are thus responsible for murder. If you cannot make a direct connection between atheism and the murderous tendencies of the Communists, then I insist that you retract this statement that you made, associating the philosophy of atheism with these murders.
Meanwhile, during the Inquisitions, it was the Christian doctrines more than any other factors that inspired the torture of millions of feeble, harmless women charged with witchcraft. They were put to death in obedience to God's commandment to Moses in Exodus xxii. 18 (immediately following the "Ten Commandments"): "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." They were burned in direct and literal obedience to Christ's statement in John xv. 6: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." The reason these women were burnt slowly was so that they would have more time to repent (though this would be impossible, since most of them had their tongues torn out before they were burned, and if repentance involves action, how could they repent when bound to a pole with layer after layer of skin burning off of their quivering flesh, and if repentance is a matter of heart, who could switch loyalty toward something or someone who would burn you alive? this just could not be done!). Not to be outdone, Islam inspired the wholesale slaughter of anyone who refused to honor the god and prophet of Islam. All these murders were inspired directly by theism, which demands loyalty and obedience to a Jealous God.
I challenge you to find an example of where the atheism itself is as directly responsible for murderous acts on the part of a society as the various religions have been. True, atheist have committed atrocities, just as Christians and Muslims and Hindus have done. Can these atrocities, though, be directly explained by the person's atheism as clearly as the atrocities that many religious people have committed can be directly explained by that person's absolute belief in an absolute dogma? Again, if you can make a solid case that atheism itself has influenced atrocity as directly as Christianity or Islam has influenced atrocity, I will gladly accept responsibility for propagating murderous doctrines. If you cannot, you owe the atheists who visit and support this site an apology with your implication.
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Was it their atheism that prompted them to kill? If you can make the case that it was their atheism and their atheism alone that made them kill (if you can eliminate all other possible influences), then I will grant that atheists are responsible for propagating a murderous doctrine and are thus responsible for murder. If you cannot make a direct connection between atheism and the murderous tendencies of the Communists, then I insist that you retract this statement that you made, associating the philosophy of atheism with these murders.
Again and again
I challenge you to find an example of where the atheism itself is as directly responsible for murderous acts on the part of a society as the various religions have been. True, atheist have committed atrocities, just as Christians and Muslims and Hindus have done. Can these atrocities, though, be directly explained by the person's atheism as clearly as the atrocities that many religious people have committed can be directly explained by that person's absolute belief in an absolute dogma? Again, if you can make a solid case that atheism itself has influenced atrocity as directly as Christianity or Islam has influenced atrocity, I will gladly accept responsibility for propagating murderous doctrines. If you cannot, you owe the atheists who visit and support this site an apology with your implication.
Jerry aka Darwin/Grote beer.
Kwasababu huwezi kusoma
Unajua kitu kinachoitwa Protestant and Catholics
Fact is that all the original Protestant leaders endorsed the same barbarous practices against Catholics and Jews? We are talking, here, about the leadership calling the shots and the "flocks" going along with the calls.
Jerry aka Darwin
MaxShimba
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Hitler Was an Atheist Who Killed Millions in the Name of Atheism. Wewe upo dunia ya wapi?
In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.
This is Historical facts that Atheism is the real force behind the mass murders of history.
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Adolf Hitler was born and raised a Catholic, and there is no time that he recorded a renegation of that.His father is reported to have been a sceptic Catholic while his mother was a practising Catholic
hebu ona hapa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs
Halafu hata kama alikuwa ni atheist wa some Nazi fringe, haina maana kwamba Hitler ana RFC ya Atheism, actually hakuna sect ya Atheism yenye RFC ya Atheism. This is the beauty of atheism, haina uongozi fulani, ni idea kwamba hamna mungu.
Kwa hiyo wa communist wanaoamini hamna dini wala munguwanaweza kuwa atheists, na mimi ninayewapinga wa communist lakini pia ninayeamini hamna dini wala mungu ninaweza kuwa atheist, still mimi nikawapinga wa communist kwa sababu wa communist wameua watu wengi, na mimi, on top of being an atheist, I am a humanist ninayeamini kwamba atheism should empower mankind to aspire to a higher standard of moral existence.
Ukisema Hitler killed millions in the name of Atheism, I can equally tell you that the crusaders killed millions in the name of Christianity, or that Saladin and the propher himself (SAW) killed millions ion the name of Islam.
So where do you get this moral superiority to denigrate atheism in this particular context?
Kama unataka kuangalia atheism angalia atheism in its core values, usiangalie maisha ya politicians ful;ani kama kina Stalin waliotaka kutumia communism na atheism ili kufikia their own political ends.
Hiyo itakuwa sawa na ku judge ukristo kwa kuangalia the Franks katika the Crusades.
Anachokwambia the venerable Darwin hapo juu ndicho ninachokwambia, tafuta wapi atheism yenyewe inahusika na mauaji, halafu tuletee hapa. Usituletee habari za machizi waliochanganya Atheism, Catholicism, Aryan philosophy, Superiority complex and goodness gracious knows what, ukatuletea hapa kama zao la atheism.
MaxShimba
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Hujasema kitu bado. Hivi watu huwa wanazaliwa na deen?
Fact ya kwanza.
Msikilize Lenini anavyosema: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism.
Sasa lete hoja? Sio blah blah za wikipedia.
Bluray
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Huyo ni Lenin, Lenin si mtume wa Atheism.
I can equally quote an ignorant zealous christian crusader, would that qualify as representative of the entire philosophy of Christianity?
MaxShimba
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Kwani wewe ni mtume wa atheism? Mbona unaovyesha unyonge wa kufikiria? Jibu swali, kama huwezi kaa kimya.
Narudia tena:Fact ya kwanza.
Msikilize Lenini anavyosema: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism.
Sasa lete hoja?
Fact ya kwanza tu imeshaanza kukuumiza kichwa. Kaazi kweli kweli.
Bluray
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Fact unaijua wewe? Unajua maana ya "fact"? au una fabricating factory?
Mtu akisema kitu ndiyo kinakuwa fact? Lenin akisema kitu ndiyo kinakuwa fact?
Hebu leta facts, halafu tutaongea kuhusu facts, sio tilalala za wakomunisti na wakatekisti ambao hata mimi nawapinga.