JK angepewa Nchi mwaka 1995 tungekuwa wapi?

[akilimtindi]

Wakuu samahanini sijatokea kwa siku kadhaa lakini naomba nitokee kwa haka ka-swali kangu, nimekauliza kwa kuwa kuna watu wengi humu naona sasa wanamtetea JK kwamba ni safi sana sasa.

Mimi naona Mkapa alijitahidi sana alipopokea nchi maana ilimbidi kwanza kuweka utaratibu kwenye mstari maana kodi ilikuwa ni zero na serikali ilishaishiwa kabisa, ingawa tunakubali pia kwamba upinzani kisiasa haukuwa mkubwa kwahiyo CCM haikutumia mamilioni kupiga kampeni. Ilitumika tu fimbo ya mchonga. Kwahiyo Mkapa alipopokea ilimbidi kutafuta mbegu akapanda, kisha akapalilia halafu mahindi yalipokuwa tayari akakata kidogo akachoma, akamkwanyulia shemejiye Yona kidogo wakaendelea hivyo hivyo.

Lakini hii ya Mkwere mimi naona sio ulafi ila uzumbuku, alisema vizuri sana alipopewa nchi mwaka 2005 kwamba Mzee Ben ameacha mambo safi. Iweje mara hili mara lile? Akampa swahiba wakashirikiana kuvuna mahindi yote wakachezea chezea wakala yote bila hata kuacha mbegu. Sasa tuwaeleweje wala mbegu? Alipoachiwa nchi alisema msingi ulikuwa tayari yeye sasa ni kujenga tu, juzi after miaka 3 anasema alikuwa anaweka misingi mizuri sasa muda si mrefu ataanza kujenga.

Naamini mwaka 2010 atasema ameshaweka misingi, sasa tumpe miaka mingine 5 apandishe mjengo. Na mimi naamini watanzania watampa. Je tuko tayari kufanya tathmini 2015?

 

[Companero]

Uozo mwingi unaoisumbua Serikali ya JK imeurithi kutoka kwenye Serikali ya Ben.

-Sheria mbovu za kodi za madini zilitungwa kizembe wakati wa Ben
-Sheria za Ardhi zilitungwa na kurekebishwa kiholela wakati wa Ben

-Mikataba mibovu ya IPTL ilisainiwa wakati wa Ben
-Mikataba mibovu ya CW ilituadhiri wakati wa Ben

-Kiwira, Meremeta, Tangold,...,...Ben
-M Bank, BOT EPA, PEDP,...,...Ben

 

[Mwanjelwa]

...........Uozo mwingi unaoisumbua Serikali ya JK imeurithi kutoka kwenye Serikali ya Ben...............
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Acha uzushi kama wenzako humu! Kama mmeumia, ni nyie tu.

 

[Adili]

Tungekuwa Kenya!

 

[Susuviri]

Uozo mwingi unaoisumbua Serikali ya JK imeurithi kutoka kwenye Serikali ya Ben.

-Sheria mbovu za kodi za madini zilitungwa kizembe wakati wa Ben
-Sheria za Ardhi zilitungwa na kurekebishwa kiholela wakati wa Ben

-Mikataba mibovu ya IPTL ilisainiwa wakati wa Ben
-Mikataba mibovu ya CW ilituadhiri wakati wa Ben

-Kiwira, Meremeta, Tangold,...,...Ben
-M Bank, BOT EPA, PEDP,...,...Ben

Na pia inamgusa JK akiwa kama cabinet member na pia waziri! When you point one finger, three point back to you.

Let us talk about:
EPA - it is uchaguzi 2005 so it falls in JK's and his cronies' lap, Richmond, Ndege ya jeshi iliyodondoka ikisafirisha wageni wasioleleweka wa rais (wazungu waandishi), Sullivan summit and the millions of dollar spent for nothing, safari zisizoisha za JK. Yaani hizi nimezitaja bila hata kutumia dk 2 kufikiria, je tukianza analysis, unafikiri list in 3 years itazidi ile ya Ben in 10 years.
We acha tu.....
Mimi binafsi nadhani tunahitaji kuwa fair na JK, he just wanted to be president for the marupurupu and also to hear his name with the title Mr President. But he never was prepared to govern. IN this sense, I see some very strong similarities with W. Bush. Maybe that's why they are friends! 🙂

 

[Nyambala]

Kumbuka JKN aalikuwa hai bado kipindi hicho!!!!!

 

[Modereta]

Kiti moto anaekijua ni yule aliyekikalia. Tuache munkari tuwe analytical na tutoa mawazo kipi kifanyike ili tuendele, pengine bila hata hawa wanasiasa. Wakati mwingine nakumbuka kule uchagani pale wanakijiji kila jumamosi walijitolea kutengeneza barabara zao bila kungoja mbunge au waziri kuja wahamasisha. Yako maendeleo mengi yanaweza kuletwa bila ya hawa wanasiasa. Mbona vikao vya harusi vyenye bajeti ya papo kwa papo ya millioni 5-15 vinafanyika kwa bidii bila wanasiasa??????????????
Tufanye yetu halafu tuwakosowe huku tumeshiba ugali tuliolima wenyewe.

 

[Susuviri]

Kumbuka JKN aalikuwa hai bado kipindi hicho!!!!!

Point taken, mkuu, but still the buts and ifs only count to a certain extent. We don't know what would have happened if JKN would be still alive, now would we? We are also in danger of elevating JKN to sainthood, as if we needed and still need some invisible hand of justice and goodness to guide us. JKN did have weight but about his influence, we can never know whether it would be still strong or wanning.
However if we look at the fact, BWK took over the country in a very bad economic shape in 1995 and in 2005, handed it over with double digit economic growth. In 3 years of JK, economic growth has declined, the ruling party is in fractures and FDI is plunging. And if you ask any ordinary Tanzania, "Are you better off, than in 2005?" a vast majority will say "NO" whether this is true or perceived, but this is the bottomline that I believe we need to look at.
Again, I still feel that we are unfair with JK because he never thought he needed to govern. He was always comfortable handing over the nitty gritty part of his (campaign, ministerial post, presidency) to his sidekicks like Membe, EL and RA.

 

[Mganga wa Jadi]

Enzi za ben kazi ilikuwa inathamani, sasa hivi ni ujanjaujanja tu hamna lolote linalofanyika,hata sarafu ilikuwa inathamani,kigamboni ilikuwa bado haijauzwa, sasa hivi ni upuuzi mtupu!

 

[Susuviri]

Kiti moto anaekijua ni yule aliyekikalia. Tuache munkari tuwe analytical na tutoa mawazo kipi kifanyike ili tuendele, pengine bila hata hawa wanasiasa. Wakati mwingine nakumbuka kule uchagani pale wanakijiji kila jumamosi walijitolea kutengeneza barabara zao bila kungoja mbunge au waziri kuja wahamasisha. Yako maendeleo mengi yanaweza kuletwa bila ya hawa wanasiasa. Mbona vikao vya harusi vyenye bajeti ya papo kwa papo ya millioni 5-15 vinafanyika kwa bidii bila wanasiasa??????????????
Tufanye yetu halafu tuwakosowe huku tumeshiba ugali tuliolima wenyewe.

Mkuu, nakubali hoja yako, lakini unayoyasema yanawezekana mpaka level fulani tu, beyond a certain level, ni lazima mwanasiasa au political administrator anahitajika. Hatuwezi kuendelea bila viongozi bora, hatatukitaka hayo maendeleo kwa kasi mpya na ari mpya, kwikwikwii!
but seriously, muda umefika wa kuchagua viongozi bora. Period.

 

[Middle]

sasa tumpe nani 2010?

 

[Modereta]

Mkuu, nakubali hoja yako, lakini unayoyasema yanawezekana mpaka level fulani tu, beyond a certain level, ni lazima mwanasiasa au political administrator anahitajika. Hatuwezi kuendelea bila viongozi bora, hatatukitaka hayo maendeleo kwa kasi mpya na ari mpya, kwikwikwii!
but seriously, muda umefika wa kuchagua viongozi bora. Period.

Nakubaliana na wewe kuwa yako tunayoweza fanya wenyewe mpaka mahali fulani, halafu tuhitaji wanasiasa. Ila sasa wakati mwingine tunalalamikia hata yale madogo tu.
Pia kweli bila viongozi wazuri tutaendelea kupiga kelele tu, hivyo tunapofika kwenye uchaguzi, mapema wale mabomu waonolewe ili tusijikute tuna gunia la viazi vibovu vyote halafu tunaambiwa tuchagua kizuri humo. Matokeo unachagua kujaza nafasi na sio kupata mtu mwenye uwezo wa sehemu hiyo

 

[Companero]

'Zimwi likujualo halikuli likakwisha': Hivi tunalinganisha mazimwi hapa? Je, hili ni swali la 'lesser evil', yaani 'asiye mbaya kuliko mwenzake'? Au ni suala la 'birds of a same feather flock together', yaani 'ndege wenye nyoya linalofanana hukusanyika pamoja'?

Tuliliwa tule wakati wa Mbabe. Tunaliwa tule wakati wa Muungwana.Tisa kumi wajinga ndio waliwao anasisitiza Ikwabe Itembe.

 

[Bulesi]

Angepewa utawala mwaka 1995 , nchi hii ingetapakaa damu ya wenyewe kwa wenyewe!! Wakristo vs Waislam kwani angeanzisha kwa nguvu Mahakama ya Kadhi na kuiingiza Tanzania OIC kama anavyotarajia kufanya hivi sasa.

 

[Majisafisalama]

Tunabwata weee mchana kutwa, usiku ukifika twaingia vyumbani mwetu hadi kunakucha, salaama na amani. Hamshukuru nyie!!!! 'something is done'. asubuhi kelele tena, JK hivi Ben vile, EPA, BUZWAGI kadha wa kadha. TUFANYE KAZI KWA BIDII...Hakimu, polisi, magereza, mwanahabari, raisi tena wote hata kama ni wataasisi au wa wanafunzi, mwalimu, daktari, machinga piga kazi, wanasiasa nao wakipiga kazi sawasawa bila shaka wapiga kura nao watachapa kazi. Idadi yetu kwenye jukwaa hili ni kubwa kuliko maeneo mengine ya JF, hii inaonesha jinsi tulivyo mahiri kupepeta domo, SAMAHANI. Hata kama tukiachiwa mbegu tupande wenyewe kama tayari zina wadudu ndani, kitastawi kitu kweli?????? 'COMPLETE THE CIRCLE', usiuze maembe bali juice, what about us? Add value bwana.

 

[Majisafisalama]

Unanichanganya, hapa sielewi mdini ni yupi? anayerejesha kilichokuwepo au anayepinga kisiwepo? help please.

 

[Lyampinga]

JK is the worst leader, i have ever come across. Ushikaji ushikaji mwingi, marafiki kawajaza kwenye kila idara

 

[Deo]

JK angechukua nchi 1995 hali ingekuwa mbaya zaidi.
BM anajua kuongoza na bei ya vitu ilishuka na kuwa chini wakati wake. Lakini bwana ni mlezi wa ufisadi. Kwa Jk labda watu wanaogopa au hawajui! Lakini vipi Richard Monduli na sasa Grey Mgonja ameachiwa kwa ile sheria ya mwaka huu.
Labda tumulize yule mzee wa channel 10 Kama tutafika 2015? Labda atatupa jibu

 

[Susuviri]

'Zimwi likujualo halikuli likakwisha': Hivi tunalinganisha mazimwi hapa? Je, hili ni swali la 'lesser evil', yaani 'asiye mbaya kuliko mwenzake'? Au ni suala la 'birds of a same feather flock together', yaani 'ndege wenye nyoya linalofanana hukusanyika pamoja'?

Tuliliwa tule wakati wa Mbabe. Tunaliwa tule wakati wa Muungwana.Tisa kumi wajinga ndio waliwao anasisitiza Ikwabe Itembe.

My dear friend, Companero, tumeanza kuliwa since JKN!! We have to change or mind set! But your question is valid, we are talking of the lesser evil not good governance! But at the end of the day it is the same party... so it's same sh** different toilet... if you get my gist.
Asante, mkuu!

 

[The Khoisan]

Angepewa utawala mwaka 1995 , nchi hii ingetapakaa damu ya wenyewe kwa wenyewe!! Wakristo vs Waislam kwani angeanzisha kwa nguvu Mahakama ya Kadhi na kuiingiza Tanzania OIC kama anavyotarajia kufanya hivi sasa.

Mwinyi then JK, ingekuwa hatari kwelikweli. May be TZ ingegeuka Somalia.

Tatizo BWM alimuogopa Salim, nafikiri ndiye kiongozi pekee kwa wakati huu mwenye qualities za kutuongoza. Naona mambo ya mafisadi yanavyoendelea chini ya JK, kama ingekuwa Salim nafikiri asingepona mtu. Anyway maji yalishamwagika........... Tuombe CCM watufanyie huruma 2010.