Kenya Airways applies for direct flights to JFK Airport in US starting May

Kenya Airways applies for direct flights to JFK Airport in US starting May

But is Tanzania not a member of ICAO? Does Kenya rule book given by ICAO different to the one in Tanzania ?? How many foreign airlines fly to Tanzania with all sort of aircrafts and leave without an incidence. Kama tungekuwa nyuma in term of safety, kuna airline ingekuja hapa including KQ?
FAA is for America only, if you want to travel to US they have to subject you to their own rules which are more stringent than the acceptable internationals standards like for EU..
Airlines repair or do maintanance test of their aircrafts at specific bases in different airports around the world, how many of the legacy international airlines with big planes use JNIA as their hub for the AFrican continent??? As far as I know in Subsahara, Ethiopia does have a service centre mostly caters for Airbus, Kenya has one and South Africa too...

About ICAO, I am not saying that KQ is special, all I am saying is ATL as an Independence airline has been out of the bussiness for a while, once, especially when you begin flying international destination, they would most likely(if they havent already) come pay you a visit and inspect your hangers and you standards to make sure all the basics are covered.... But the manufacture like (Boeing) will still not give you permission you will still need to go to service center that they have approaved if you have any problem with their aircraft, up until such a time you can prove that you have the experties and the right tools
 
I hope you have evidence to back up your clam that KQ can fabricate aircraft parts from scratch eg aircraft wings. Ikiwa nchi kubwa yenye aircraft manufacturing history like Russia are not allowed to produce any part of Boeing or Airbus, how could Kenya be allowed to do so huku Kenya hasn't produce or build any commercial aircraft. Aircraft parts are produced uniquely to that particular aircraft. Meaning a part for Boeing 787 A, can not directly be fitted to Boeing 787 B, modification and testing has to be cared out before the transition. Manufactures like airbus or Boeing they hold these secret very close to there chest. There is difference between replacing tires or glass window to produce tires or class windows from scratch. I tell you, if British airways or Emirate flies to Kenya and fly out with parts which are not been supplied by original manufacture, that aircraft will be grounded until safety check had been cared out.
My uncle is an Aircraft engineer he tells me all these things, but I will try and bring you tangible evidence since anyone can begin to claim they were told this and that by someone they know...
KQ service center is for Boeing planes, if you want airbus, I think its in Ethiopia, read this story first, there is a point there they talk about using Kenya airways resources..

HOW KENYA AIR FORCE SET HISTORY BY REPAIRING JET FIGHTER OUTSIDE FACTORY

HOW KENYA AIR FORCE SET HISTORY BY REPAIRING JET FIGHTER OUTSIDE FACTORY

When an F-5E jet crash-landed on the LaikipiaAir Base, Nanyuki, on the rainy afternoon of 1980, the plane suffered such extensive damage that its manufacturer recommended that there was no alternative to repairing the aircraft outside its factory. The ill-fated F-5E fighter, one of the most enduring military aircraft designs ever produced, was built by the Northrop Corporation Aircraft Division with the mind-set that only the manufacturer had the brains behind its repair.

However, when an assessment report from Northrop officials concluded that the F-5E had to be taken to their factory in California, the news did not sound appealing to then Kenya Air ForceCommander General Mahmoud Mohammed. According to the officials, the jet fighter was to be dismantled, crated and then flown over a distance of more than 9,600 nautical miles to their factory.

Seven years later, after their assessment, a team from the Kenya Air Force under the command of Warrant Officer II Luke Kangogo Kittony of the F-5 Engineering Squadron could start repairing the aircraft in what was a mission impossible. Kittony and his team managed a feat that would set the Kenya Air Force’s F5-E tail number 909 into history as the only fighter jet to be rebuilt outside its factory.

The manufacturer, Northrop, applauded the great engineering accomplishment. Details of their heroic achievement are contained in The KenyaAir Force Story 1964-2014 book. This article borrows from narrations in the book and interviews done with serving and retired air forcepersonnel.

The jet fighter was being flown by Captain ABA Mohammed when it skidded on the runway as he was landing due to aquaplaning, a situation where a film of water forms between the tyres and the surface limiting braking efficiency. On that fateful afternoon, the plane’s tyre burst and as a result it veered off the runway for some 30 metres to 40 metres.

Although he successfully ejected, the F-5E that is powered by two General Electric J85 turbo engines delivering 3,500lb st of thrust, veered off the runway digging into dirt and as a result most of its right side was extensively damaged and some of its panels ripped off. Without knowing what to do, the plane was towed to the hanger where it was to be packed until a decision on what steps to be taken could be made.

As the plane lay wasting in the hanger, most of its parts were “robbed,” where some of the parts of the grounded airplane were taken to repair other aircraft whose parts where not readily available from the manufacturer. “In airman’s slang, it is called robbery. After 909’s crash, we used to rob spares from it to service other aircraft in the squadron.

This plane was robbed until it was just a skeleton. And there was no documentation. If a part was missing somebody reflexively said ‘just get if from 909’. All good parts were robbed from it,” Kittony writes. When the military top brass ordered that the aircraft be rebuilt, Northrop was invited to come and access the damage. The manufacturers were accompanied with officials from the US Air Force.

The team from Northrop found that most of its parts had been robbed that “they couldn’t even take an inventory to determine what was there and what was not,” Kittony writes. The extensive damage to the plane would not help either. The manufacturer concluded that the aircraft was irreparable in Kenya with the firm observation that there was no alternative to rebuilding it outside its factory. According to Kittony, “In their assessment, the aircraft had to go to the factory because it required a lot of parts to be machined before being refitted into it and then subjected to a jig.”

Jigging involves the alignment of an aircraft to ensure that both wings are on the same angle of attack. However, the idea of taking it to the US did not sound convincing to General Mohammed, a former truck driver at Kahawa Garrison, who rose to become the military general, courtesy of crashing the 1982 mutiny. Despite being the air force commander, General Mohammed was not versed with aircraft. He was not an aviator but an infantry soldier, whose work entailed carrying a gun as he walked in the battlefield.

When he made the decision to repair the F-5E locally, it was regarded as an act of ignorance rather than wise reasoning. However, the barely educated army man had the sixth sense that not only a white man could repair his spoilt craft.

Mohammed ordered his men to rebuild the fighter jet six years after it crashed. His decision was based on a tip he received that one of his soldiers had been trained about rebuilding aircrafts in the US.

That serviceman was Kittony, who had been sent to the US in 1983 for a course that dealt in aircraft structural technology, where one of the disciplines was sheet metal aircraft structural technology.

Kittony had been nicknamed the Doctor of Sheet Metal at the Williams Air Force Base in Arizona, where he emerged as the best student in the course that involved building an aircraft. The class was made up of 15 countries, including the US itself.

When Gen Mohammed received a confidential report about Kittony, he is said to have remarked: “If Kangongo can lead people from all these 15 countries, including America itself, why can’t he repair this aircraft that is supposed to be taken to the USA? He was leading them, why should it be taken there?”

The General ordered that Kittony be exempted from all military duties for a year and be given the free hand to choose any technician he wanted for the job. The crew he chose was made up of Corporal Martin Warare, Senior Private Aron Kiprotich and Senior Private Malla.

Their first task was to carry out an inventory of the aircraft then they moved to repair it. He writes: “We didn’t have the machines in the AirForce to curve the metal and form certain shapes of the skin as required.

So I used to cut them into size and take them to Kenya Airways
and form them and return to Nanyuki, fix them, measure another one, form, return to Nanyuki and on and on like that….” The
The crew looked at the engineering drawings from Northrop on how to repair the spar, the part of an aircraft that connects the wing to the body of the aircraft. If the spar is weak or wrongly repaired, the wing can fall off in mid-flight.

After getting thick metal parts from Kenya Airways, the crew used special fasteners to attach the wing to the body of the aircraft. Other parts that were missing and difficult to procure were robbed from grounded aircraft. “Our biggest challenge was the electrical area. Unlike hydraulics, electrical currents have no leakages.

The only way one could tell faults was by operating the various surfaces and following a wire from end to end when an instrument selection from the cockpit yielded no response. It was extremely time consuming,” Kittony writes.

Within a year, the plane had been repaired except for getting the angle of attack, something that can only be done in the factory. Although that could not be done locally, Colonel (Rtd) Seth Shava flew the aircraft without incidence with the F5E tail number 909, becoming the only fighter jet to be rebuilt outside the factory.


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On the last paragraph. If it was a commercial aircraft, that plane could have never been allowed to fly a passenger..
 
Tunajenga jina upya kwa wateja lakini rekodi yetu nzuri ya kiusalama bado inaendelea kuwepo. Mabadiliko yaliyotokea kipindi cha nyuma hayawezi kufuta historia yetu.
Soma hii hapa, KQ imekua ikifanya kazi tangu 1977s lakini bado ilichukua KQ zaidi ya miaka miwili kukaguliwa na EU ili kuruhusiwa kufanya maintanance ndege za EU, 2011.... unafikiri ma engineer wa ATL watapewa ruhusa kama hio hivi hivi wakati hamna hata ndege kubwa amabyo inatumia jet engine????? bado yenu iko kwa order..

KQ certified to service European aircraft
August 10, 2011
NAIROBI, Kenya, Aug 10 – Kenya Airways has been certified by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) for maintenance activities of aircraft components.

The milestone approval allows KQ to perform aircraft component maintenance of European registered aircraft and other global operators that recognise the certification.

Kenya Airways Group Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer Titus Naikuni said the certification was an important achievement for the airline which had made substantial investments in aircraft service and maintenance.

“The hangar which we set up in 2006 to service our wide body fleet at a cost of Sh536 million ($6.7 million) has generated huge cost savings for us and provided an opportunity for other regional airlines to service their planes more cost effectively,” he explained.

He added that the airline had refurbished the old hangar in line with meeting the European service standards. The increased focus on the African region as an alternative aviation market was also timely and Kenya Airways is positioning itself as the preferred aircraft maintenance provider.

“Kenya Airways has the capability in terms of facilities and qualified personnel to deliver this world class service,” said Mr Naikuni. We expect that maintenance would generate up to 30 percent cost savings for the regional airlines if they use our facilities.
Other than the financial savings, the EASA approval will open up tremendous business opportunities for Kenya Airways. The Technical department will now be able to offer its world class service to operators across the world. The certification will cover five workshops within the Hangar, including Wheel section, ULD (Unit Loading Devices) Upholstery, Gallery Inserts and Oxygen and Hydrostatic testing sections.

He noted that for the airline to receive EASA certification, it had gone through a very rigorous audit exercise by the EASA auditors lasting over two years.
“The other advantage of a full certification is that it will ease the process of parts loans exchange and aircraft re-delivery checks since the airline Workshops is EASA 145 approved thus no need to carry out the re-delivery aircraft component checks in another country,” he concluded.

Kenya Airways has also commenced on the process of extending the EASA certification to cover all the areas in the technical department including Base and Line maintenance. This will enhance business opportunities for the Pride of Africa to perform Heavy and Line maintenance checks for other operators at Kenya Airways base in Embakasi
 
FAA is for America only, if you want to travel to US they have to subject you to their own rules which are more stringent than the acceptable internationals standards like for EU..
Airlines repair or do maintanance test of their aircrafts at specific bases in different airports around the world, how many of the legacy international airlines with big planes use JNIA as their hub for the AFrican continent??? As far as I know in Subsahara, Ethiopia does have a service centre mostly caters for Airbus, Kenya has one and South Africa too...

About ICAO, I am not saying that KQ is special, all I am saying is ATL as an Independence airline has been out of the bussiness for a while, once, especially when you begin flying international destination, they would most likely(if they havent already) come pay you a visit and inspect your hangers and you standards to make sure all the basics are covered.... But the manufacture like (Boeing) will still not give you permission you will still need to go to service center that they have approaved if you have any problem with their aircraft, up until such a time you can prove that you have the experties and the right tools

But the way you put it is wrong, ATCL hasn't ceased doing business since it was formed back in 1977. They might not have many aircrafts but they have some aircrafts to fly even within the country, and the safety rules are still the same if you fly long haul or short haul.

As I said before, repair it doesn't give you the right to produce the part from scratch. Manufacturer's reserves that right. If there is a service centre in Kenya, that will be the center to conduct minor test like hydraulics, lights, doors, engine oil etc... I will very doubt if Kenya can conduct tests like fuselage fatigue test, or lighting strike test or weather radar test. Unless companies like Boeing or Airbus open there own test facility in Kenya, but they will not allow anyone who isn't part of there team to do such tests.
 
My uncle is an Aircraft engineer he tells me all these things, but I will try and bring you tangible evidence since anyone can begin to claim they were told this and that by someone they know...
KQ service center is for Boeing planes, if you want airbus, I think its in Ethiopia, read this story first, there is a point there they talk about using Kenya airways resources..

HOW KENYA AIR FORCE SET HISTORY BY REPAIRING JET FIGHTER OUTSIDE FACTORY

But this is it, military aircraft is not the same as commercial passenger aircraft. You can do anything with military aircraft, and no one can ask you a thing. Unless if you have an agreement with the manufacture or suppler that you'll not be allowed to prepare or modify there military aircraft so that they can control there secrets, but generally you be free to mess with that aircraft any how you want. After all, military aircraft is a flying boom, who cares if anything goes wrong, there is no insurance, there is no assurance that to plane will make it home, the pilot can eject if his lucky. But on civilian aircraft is total a different ball game, no one will take any chances with safety of civilians. Kenya can do repairs (not all of them), but Kenya can not produce parts from scratch and be used them on civilian aircrafts.
 
But the way you put it is wrong, ATCL hasn't ceased doing business since it was formed back in 1977. They might not have many aircrafts but they have some aircrafts to fly even within the country, and the safety rules are still the same if you fly long haul or short haul.

As I said before, repair it doesn't give you the right to produce the part from scratch. Manufacturer's reserves that right. If there is a service centre in Kenya, that will be the center to conduct minor test like hydraulics, lights, doors, engine oil etc... I will very doubt if Kenya can conduct tests like fuselage fatigue test, or lighting strike test or weather radar test. Unless companies like Boeing or Airbus open there own test facility in Kenya, but they will not allow anyone who isn't part of there team to do such tests.
Okay, I thot ATCL had virtually grounded all its operations, save for the name and its dream to one day rise up again.
 
Okay, I thot ATCL had virtually grounded all its operations, save for the name and its dream to one day rise up again.
Kuna an interesting read here, the airline has been minting losses everytime it has been revived, I wonder what different thing would be done considering the turbulent aviation industry in Africa and less customer traffic due to serious competition from UAE carriers, have a read, hawa watu wanaingilia KQ hata hawajui their own airline.
Air Tanzania - Wikipedia
 
Tanzania tunaagiza kwanza terrible teen na kujenga C.I.A (chattle international airport) kwanza.

the rest ni uchochezi
 
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Wachana na ile unafikiria, hapo siongelei kuhusu zile kazi za ki spana boi.... Naongelea advanced stuff the kind that only the manufacturer can do... First you need very expensive machines and special equipment which cost alot of money.... There are things like 'wing allignnent' ,jig testing.... Do you know at KQ maintenance base they can manufacture from scratch any mechanical part of a plane given the specification? If a planes wing has come off, they can fabricate a new one from scratch and it would look exactly like the one the manufacturer can make.... Even Kenya airforce get some of their spare parts fabricated in KQ maintenance base because KAF can't afford those expensive machines.... Those kinds of advanced stuff is what am talking about, boeing can't allow just anyone to do that kind job and risk catastrophic disaster

Basically at a satisfied service center like at KQ, they can dismantle or strip down like 70 of all the parts/components and reassemble all of them without risking the ability of the plane to fly..
I think the whole thing is called MRO (maintenance Repair and overhaul) most small airlines can only do maintenance stuff but repair and overhaul they cant do... The same thing happens with ships.. Some of the navy ships in the region have to sail to france or italy for repair and overhaulsand retrofit... In kenya (Mombasa) I only know SECO limited that can do that, ships from as far as Mozambique get overhauled at seco dry docks
This is the part where I ask for proof tafadhali!
 
But is Tanzania not a member of ICAO? Does Kenya rule book given by ICAO different to the one in Tanzania ?? How many foreign airlines fly to Tanzania with all sort of aircrafts and leave without an incidence. Kama tungekuwa nyuma in term of safety, kuna airline ingekuja hapa including KQ?
Kwani hii safety inayoongelewa hapa ni ya airport ama airline?
 
Kwani hii safety inayoongelewa hapa ni ya airport ama airline?
Ni kila mahali, kuanzia airport, aircraft handling, to the airspace and fire safety. Maana safety haiwezi kuchakuwa hiki ikaacha kile. Unaweza kuwa na perfect airport lakini ndege ikiruka juu zinagongana kwasababu Air Traffic Controllers kutokuwa na uzowefu wa kuongoza ndege. So its all rounder.
 
Kuna an interesting read here, the airline has been minting losses everytime it has been revived, I wonder what different thing would be done considering the turbulent aviation industry in Africa and less customer traffic due to serious competition from UAE carriers, have a read, hawa watu wanaingilia KQ hata hawajui their own airline.
Air Tanzania - Wikipedia
Hata KQ amepata loss kwa miaka mitatu mfululizo.This time around ATCL inawezafanya vzr kuliko hapo zamani
 
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