Kenya debt now 75% of GDP

Kenya debt now 75% of GDP

kennedy0000 said:
Private sector ya Kenya inaweza kaa stagnant miaka 20 na ya Tanzania haitawai ifikia. We're decades ahead of you.

By the way, kwa hio pesa yote tumekopa, less than 20% imeenda kwa reli.
Mingi imeenda kwa hizo vitu unataja hapo. Barabara, industrial parks, maji, umeme, hospitali etc.
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Iko wapi private sector yenu mbona tunawashinda katika sector zote? nimekutajia hapo juu, hiyo private sector yenu ipo wapi?. Huwa ninakuambia kwamba media zenu zinawajaza ujinga na ninyi wenyewe mnakubali kuwa wajinga, tunawashinda kila eneo lakini bado unaimba private sector.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Private sector ya Kenya inaweza kaa stagnant miaka 20 na ya Tanzania haitawai ifikia. We're decades ahead of you.

By the way, kwa hio pesa yote tumekopa, less than 20% imeenda kwa reli.
Mingi imeenda kwa hizo vitu unataja hapo. Barabara, industrial parks, maji, umeme, hospitali etc.
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Sasa kama pesa nyingi imeenda huko kwenye vitu nimetaja, serikali yenu haina bajeti yake ya maendeleo?, nchi gani hiyo ambayo inakopa hata kwa miradi midogo ya kila siku?, that's why Kenya was ranked as failed state.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Iko wapi private sector yenu mbona tunawashinda katika sector zote? nimekutajia hapo juu, hiyo private sector yenu ipo wapi?. Huwa ninakuambia kwamba media zenu zinawajaza ujinga na ninyi wenyewe mnakubali kuwa wajinga, tunawashinda kila eneo lakini bado unaimba private sector.
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Mnatushinda sector zote? Una kichaa kweli.

Kampuni yenu ya kwanza kwa profit ikija Kenya, haiwezi toboa top 10.

Our banks, insurance, petroleum, consumer goods, companies dominate the region.

Kama tunaweza list revenue ya the top 100 companies in Kenya, compared na revenue ya top 100 companies in TZ, Kenya iko mbele zaidi ya mara tatu.

Kenya's tax revenue is double Tanzania.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Sasa kama pesa nyingi imeenda huko kwenye vitu nimetaja, serikali yenu haina bajeti yake ya maendeleo?, nchi gani hiyo ambayo inakopa hata kwa miradi midogo ya kila siku?, that's why Kenya was ranked as failed state.
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Kwa sababu huko Tanzania unaona tumradi tudogo, unadhani hivo ndivo ilivyo Kenya.

At any one time, I would estimate there are more than 10,000 county and national government projects in Kenya. Of all sizes.
Less than 20% of those are funded through loans.

The only Kenyan projects bongolala like you know of, are the high value projects.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Kenya private sector can slow down for 20 continuous years, but Tanzania can never catch up. Because you don't have any private sector in the first place. Your GDP is 90% driven by government.

CBK spending dollars to stabilize the shilling is part of its job description. And we have more than double the foreign reserves as Tanzania, so we have more than double the capacity to stabilize our shilling.

Also, you cannot say the private sector is 'on its death bed' yet KRA keeps growing its revenue quarter after quarter.
You are equating missing targets to lack of growth.
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Revenue growth is because of new taxes not thriving private sector. Growth does not even meet the expections of the new taxes! Growing by just 15bn when you have slapped taxes on petroleum, mobile money transactions, banking trasactions, farm chemicals, imported cars etc is a total failure
 
Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Revenue growth is because of new taxes not thriving private sector. Growth does not even meet the expections of the new taxes! Growing by just 15bn when you have slapped taxes on petroleum, mobile money transactions, banking trasactions, farm chemicals, imported cars etc is a total failure
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The new taxes were introduced just last month. KRA revenue has been going up every quarter I guess for more than a decade now. and this report does not include the so called new taxes.

Also, there was a report just last week that tax revenue from petroleum has actually gone down instead of up after the new taxes. Because of reduced consumption.

So, if the new taxes have only led to reduced tax collection, where is the growth coming from?
 
kennedy0000 said:
Kwa sababu huko Tanzania unaona tumradi tudogo, unadhani hivo ndivo ilivyo Kenya.

At any one time, I would estimate there are more than 10,000 county and national government projects in Kenya. Of all sizes.
Less than 20% of those are funded through loans.

The only Kenyan projects bongolala like you know of, are the high value projects.
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All counties development budgets are from central government, they must be budgeted and approved by Parliament.

Kwahiyo usitake kukimbia swali, kama umesema pesa za projects nilizotaja zinatokana na mikopo, serikali yenu haina bajeti ya miradi ya maendeleo?

Kuhusu private sector unayosema ipo stronger kuliko ya Tanzania, mbona tunawazidi katika kila sector except financial sector, where is that strong private sectors?
 
joto la jiwe said:
All counties development budgets are from central government, they must be budgeted and approved by Parliament.

Kwahiyo usitake kukimbia swali, kama umesema pesa za projects nilizotaja zinatokana na mikopo, serikali yenu haina bajeti ya miradi ya maendeleo?

Kuhusu private sector unayosema ipo stronger kuliko ya Tanzania, mbona tunawazidi katika kila sector except financial sector, where is that strong private sectors?
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Ebu taja jambo moja ndani ya private sector ambapo Tanzania imeshinda Kenya.

Hayo mengine ya deni nimeona ni wakati wangu tu unapoteza. Wewe ukiambiwa utaje project zinazoendelea Kenya, sidhani unajua zaidi ya kumi.
Ukweli ni kwamba project small and medium sized, ambazo ndizo mingi Kenya, ni maelfu.
Tunapochukua loan, mara mingi ni kwa project kubwa.
Na kila loan iko tied to a particular project. Huwezi tumia pesa tulizokopeshwa kujenga reli kwa project ingine.

Mfano estate yenye mimi naishi, juzi tu imewekwa lami. Hii ni project ambayo haitaletwa kwa gazei ama ata JF.
Mradi ambao ume gharamiwa 100% na serikali.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Mnatushinda sector zote? Una kichaa kweli.

Kampuni yenu ya kwanza kwa profit ikija Kenya, haiwezi toboa top 10.

Our banks, insurance, petroleum, consumer goods, companies dominate the region.

Kama tunaweza list revenue ya the top 100 companies in Kenya, compared na revenue ya top 100 companies in TZ, Kenya iko mbele zaidi ya mara tatu.

Kenya's tax revenue is double Tanzania.
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Mjinga wewe, tena mjinga mkubwa sana, Mimi ninakupa data wewe unaleta domo tupu
1)Tanzania GDP growth 7.1%
Kenya 5.6%
2)Manufacturing sector, TZ. 6.7%
Kenya 4%
3)Tourism revenue; TZ $2.2B
Kenya $1B
4)FDI: Tanzania $2.4B,
Kenya $600M
5)Food production, Tanzania feeds Kenya
6) Sugar production, Tanzania produces twice as much as Kenya.

Onyesha wapi hiyo Private sector yenu?, acha kupiga domo, toa data.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Mjinga wewe, tena mjinga mkubwa sana, Mimi ninakupa data wewe unaleta domo tupu
1)Tanzania GDP growth 7.1%
Kenya 5.6%
2)Manufacturing sector, TZ. 6.7%
Kenya 4%
3)Tourism revenue; TZ $2.2B
Kenya $1B
4)FDI: Tanzania $2.4B,
Kenya $600M
5)Food production, Tanzania feeds Kenya
6) Sugar production, Tanzania produces twice as much as Kenya.

Onyesha wapi hiyo Private sector yenu?, acha kupiga domo, toa data.
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Ni kama huelewi maana ya percentages.
Umesema Tanzania imetushinda private sector. Nikakuuliza gani? Siulizi maana ya growth rate. Even if you grow faster, you're growing from a low base, and it will take you decades to reach the same level as Kenya.

For example.
Safaricom has Ksh 50 billion profit. It grows by 5%. It will have grown by: Sh2.5 billion
Vodacom has Ksh 10 billion profit. It grows by 6%. It will have grown by: Sh 600 million
 
joto la jiwe said:
Mjinga wewe, tena mjinga mkubwa sana, Mimi ninakupa data wewe unaleta domo tupu
1)Tanzania GDP growth 7.1%
Kenya 5.6%
2)Manufacturing sector, TZ. 6.7%
Kenya 4%
3)Tourism revenue; TZ $2.2B
Kenya $1B
4)FDI: Tanzania $2.4B,
Kenya $600M
5)Food production, Tanzania feeds Kenya
6) Sugar production, Tanzania produces twice as much as Kenya.

Onyesha wapi hiyo Private sector yenu?, acha kupiga domo, toa data.
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Domo unajua kupiga sana.
Weka list ya hizi makampuni zenu private ambazo unasema zinadominate in every sector.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Mjinga wewe, tena mjinga mkubwa sana, Mimi ninakupa data wewe unaleta domo tupu
1)Tanzania GDP growth 7.1%
Kenya 5.6%
2)Manufacturing sector, TZ. 6.7%
Kenya 4%
3)Tourism revenue; TZ $2.2B
Kenya $1B
4)FDI: Tanzania $2.4B,
Kenya $600M
5)Food production, Tanzania feeds Kenya
6) Sugar production, Tanzania produces twice as much as Kenya.

Onyesha wapi hiyo Private sector yenu?, acha kupiga domo, toa data.
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Wewe ujinga wako hauwezi pimika.
Ni kama kusema kwa sababu growth rate yenu iko juu ya USA, ati mmewashinda private sector.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Ni kama huelewi maana ya percentages.
Umesema Tanzania imetushinda private sector. Nikakuuliza gani? Siulizi maana ya growth rate. Even if you grow faster, you're growing from a low base, and it will take you decades to reach the same level as Kenya.

For example.
Safaricom has Ksh 50 billion profit. It grows by 5%. It will have grown by: Sh2.5 billion
Vodacom has Ksh 10 billion profit. It grows by 6%. It will have grown by: Sh 600 million
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Tourism, Tanzania $2.4B, Kenya $1B
Jibu hiyo.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Sugar was for many years produced by the government. Sasa hivi ndio tunauza iende kwa private sector.
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Acha sababu hata Tanzanians pia ni hivyo hivyo. Niambie ni eneo gani ambayo private sector yenu inafanya vizuri zaidi ya Tanzania.

Sector ya vinywaji vya Juice, energy drinks na beer, tunawanyweshwa vinywaji vyetu.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Tourism, Tanzania $2.4B, Kenya $1B
Jibu hiyo.
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Is this government revenue from tourism?

Because I know for a fact that Kenya has more hotel beds. More Ubers.
The entire tourism ecosystem, from transportation, to accommodation, to fun activities is more vibrant. Hio ndio maana ya private sector.
Quantifying all this into one figure would be very difficult.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Acha sababu hata Tanzanians pia ni hivyo hivyo. Niambie ni eneo gani ambayo private sector yenu inafanya vizuri zaidi ya Tanzania.

Sector ya vinywaji vya Juice, energy drinks na beer, tunawanyweshwa vinywaji vyetu.
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Kenya leads in these industries.

Banking.
Insurance
Telecommunication
Construction
Schools and universities
Air transport
Hospitals
Media
Electricity generation
IT
Manufacturing
Retail
Small business
Petroleum
FMCG
Pharmaceuticals


The only thing I can think Tanzania private sector is better than us is mining. And that's because you have more minerals.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Kenya leads in these industries.

Banking.
Insurance
Telecommunication
Construction
Schools and universities
Air transport
Hospitals
Media
Electricity generation
IT
Manufacturing
Retail
Small business
Petroleum
FMCG
Pharmaceuticals


The only thing I can think Tanzania private sector is better than us is mining. And that's because you have more minerals.
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Hahahahahahaha, domo kubwa huna data zaidi ni kupiga domo. Ila ninajua umeelewa kwamba huwezi chezea Tanzania, Mimi ninakupa data wewe ni kupanua domo tupu, stupid kabisa wewe.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Sector ya vinywaji vya Juice, energy drinks na beer, tunawanyweshwa vinywaji vyetu.
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Mnaongoza aje sasa?

EABL has more revenues than Tanzania breweries.
We have uncountable juice and energy drink producers.

Kenya sio nchi ya brand moja Azam kama Tanzania. You can encounter over 20 Kenyan juice brands on the same supermarket shelf.
 
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