Kenya Election 2007: Outcomes

Mnhenwa Ndege said:

K-T
IS THERE REALLY LIGHTS AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL? ARE WE FIGHTING A LOSING BATTLE? YANI HIVI HIVI MARADONA ALIFUNGA BOA LA MKONO NA WAKACHUKUA KOMBE LA DUNIA NA JUU YAKE AKAPEWA MISIFA EVEN THOUGH WE ALL SAW BAADAYE KUWA LILIKUWA LA MKONO.

HIVI VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE INATAKIWA KURA NGAPI?
HOW IS THE SPEAKER VOTED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY AMA?
HOW CAN THE SPEAKER HELP ODM?

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M-N,

Unless other MPs from small parties join ODM, there is very a small chance a passing a vote of no confidence. It needs 144 MP to pass the vote, so far ODM can get up to 110.

The election of a speaker will need 144 votes in the first and second trials, if for the first two trials no one gets 144 (two third), then a speaker is elected by a simple majority. If all other parties join Kibaki, then Kibaki can get his speaker through coz they can get 112 votes over 110 possible ODM votes.

As I said in the other thread, Kibaki is there to stay for now (unfortunately) unless something dramatic happens.

I am depressed right now and getting militant day after day!

kichuguu said:

Swali zuri sana.

Huyu jamaa kafanya harakaharaka sana ku-consolidate power hadi kushindwa kufahamu kuwa mawaziri ni lazima watokane na wabunge, na mpaka sasa hivi Kenya haina wabunge bali wabunge wateule kwa vile hawajala kiapo. Wabunge watapatikana baada ya kula kiapo; hapo ndipo wanaweza kuteuliwa kuwa mawaziri. Sasa yeye kateua kutoka kwa marafiki zake kwa paparapapara tu bila kuangalia Katiba anayodai kuilinda. Inaonyesha jinsi gani alivyo dhaifu wa fikra na mroho wa madaraka.

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Wakenya huwa ni wajanja lakini wamemkuta Kibaki.

Huyu jamaa naona amehamua kuwaburuza hata bila kufuata sheria kabisa.

Hapa anaweza kudhihilisha kuwa kiapo alicho kura kweli siyo kwa makosa hila aliamua kufanya kweli.

Nafikiri wabunge wa ODM kama makosa wakikaa vizuri kura ya kumuondoa haitakuwa mbali pamoja na kwamba nina wasiwasi hata wakipiga kura huyu jamaa hatatoka kabisa.

Wale wabunge 12 wa kuteuliwa wanateuliwa lini?

Nina uhakika kwamba hata hao wabunge wa vyama vidogo vidogo hawawezi kumuunga mkono Kibaki. Kwa hiyo litakapokuja swala la kupiga kura nina uhakika kuna watu wataangukia kwa ODM.

Tatizo ni kwamba kwenye hivyo vyama vidogo nao wanataka ulaji na ndiyo maana wamesema kwamba watakuwa na block yao ya wabunge 43. Lengo ni kumpelekesha Kibaki na serikali yake na hivyo itamfanya awe na adabu na kufanya nao consultation.

So far ameishakosea tayari, pamoja na kudai kwamba ameunda baraza nusu, hakuna mbunge hata mmoja kutoka vyama vidogo vidogo na hivyo anazidi kujipalia makaa. Angekuwa mjanja angechukua japo wachache ili kuwavuta na may be inamuwia ugumu kwa kuwa PR yake na baadhi ya viongozi wa vyama vidogo vidogo ni mbaya na hivyo hataki kuwa-consult ili achukue wabunge.

Hata kwenye hivyo vyama vingine kama ODM-K na KANU nina uhakika some are not happy na hivyo they may vote for ODM na hivyo bado kuna room ya kujaribu vote of no confidence.

Kwa jinsi ODM walivyo na ushawishi mkubwa nina uhakika wanaweza kuwapata baadhi ya wabunge wa vyama vidogo vidogo ambao wanahisi kwamba wameachwa kwenye uundaji wa serikali ya umoja. Hivyo vyama vidogo vidogo vyenye mbunge 1 ama 2, vinahitajika sana kwa sasa, maana Kibaki hawezi kuwapa uwaziri wote ama viongozi wao ili kupunguza upinzani bungeni.

Kama ODM wataona mikakati yao yote imeshindikana, basi wajaribu kura ya kutokuwa na imani, may be wanaweza kufanikiwa.

Hapa kilichobaki ni kukaza buti barabarani mpaka kitakapoeleweka, kila siku mwendo mdundo kuelekea pale Uhuru Park. Vinginevyo wapende kuheshimu maamuzi ya watu tuendelee kulia tu hadi 2012 atakapopatikana Kibaki mwingine. Meanwhile, zile CCM/KANU zingine Africa zitakuwa zinachekelea chini ya uenyekiti wa Museveni na ukatibu mkuu wa Mugabe.

Kitila Mkumbo said:

Hapa kilichobaki ni kukaza buti barabarani mpaka kitakapoeleweka, kila siku mwendo mdundo kuelekea pale Uhuru Park. Vinginevyo wapende kuheshimu maamuzi ya watu tuendelee kulia tu hadi 2012 atakapopatikana Kibaki mwingine. Meanwhile, zile CCM/KANU zingine Africa zitakuwa zinachekelea chini ya uenyekiti wa Museveni na ukatibu mkuu wa Mugabe.

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Kitila bado nina matumaini kwamba hii mob ya afro-mafia haitafika mbali. Believe me!

Their days are numbered, na watafutika kwenye ramani completely na kuanza upya na generation mpya.

This will be a historical event in a near future.

A run-off election is the only logical option, the rest is mazingaombwe.

Kitila,
Kama tulivyosema hapo awali kuwa Kibaki anajaribu kila mbinu abaki madarakani na anatumia ujanja wa kusubiri muda upite ili watu warudi kwenye shughuli zao za kawaida then yeye aendelee kupeta.

Sasa hapa wapinzani ni lazima wawe macho ili ile mudi ya wananchi isiondoke.Hivyo Raila kwa sasa angetoa tena kama muda wa wiki hivi wa negotiation na kama isipo work out then arudishe tena maandamano barabarani toward uhuru park..mpaka kieleweke la sivyo jamaa anaanza kutangaza serikali yake..nini...etc

-Wemb

kibaki kaanza kutembea na kumwaga cheche kinoma huko aldoret.

Kibaki, kwa kutumia hizi KATIBA zilizowekwa kwa manufaa za wenye vyama twawala, karibu katika nchi zetu za KIAFRIKA, kishaisimika serikali yake Madarakani.

Raila na ODM yake, kama Lipumba na CUF yake au Mbowe na CHADEMA yake,
hana njia, bali kuanza alifu kwa kijiti. Hakuna cha election run-off wala nini.

Kiendacho kwa mganga, hakirudi. Kitu cha kwanza muhimu kitachotusaidia ufifilishi wa aina hii, ni KATIBA zilizoandikwa kwa uangalifu unaoelekea kutunza haki za wananchi kwa ujumla wake, badala ya kulinda vyama twawala na viongozi wake.

Waungwana nilisoma makala haya kwenye mtandao nikaona ni vema kuwashirikisha....

United Nations diverts aid from Somalis to Kenyans 09 Jan 2008 09:59:24 GMT
Source: Reuters


By Duncan Miriri

NAIROBI, Jan 9 (Reuters) - The United Nations has diverted aid intended for refugees from anarchic Somalia to help Kenya, a country which until less than two weeks ago was widely seen as a bastion of stability in a turbulent region.

Around 500 people have died and at least 255,000 fled their homes in Kenya since chaos erupted following the disputed result of an election on Dec. 27.

"We have shifted 24 tonnes of blankets and soap from our warehouses in Dadaab refugee camp in northeastern Kenya ... they are now here in Nairobi," Emmanuel Nyabera, spokesman for the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, said on Wednesday.

Dadaab houses refugees from the conflict in Somalia, where Ethiopian and transitional government troops are fighting Islamist insurgents. Nyabera said the agency would start distributing to families in various parts of Nairobi, where riots and political killings, mostly in the slums, have left many homeless.

Thousands of women and children have been camping on open ground in Nairobi after gangs forced political rivals and other ethnic groups from their neighbourhoods and torched houses.

"Considering that Kenya has played host to refugees for years and years, we thought it our obligation to also intervene in the Kenya humanitarian situation," Nyabera said.

The United Nations is also shipping in supplies from regional stockpiles in Dubai and Tanzania to help Kenyan refugees around the country.

U.N. agencies have long used Kenya as an operational hub to help volatile neighbouring states. But officials from the world body have expressed concern that the crisis in Kenya could cut a humanitarian lifeline to hundreds of thousands of refugees.

Is it possible that Hon. Raila Odinga can accept the post of being the prime misnister of kenya while he plus ODM believe that it is Raila who won the poll and Kibaki just manipulated?
Will Raila accept to be the number 3 in the governmental forum just after Kalonzo Musyoka and his greates opponent Mwai Kibaki?
Haya wana Jambo, Kazi kwenu kuchangia mawazo yenu.

We need Democracy.Kibaki dont think all Africans are foolish and can not detect your illigal trends of dictatorship.Grandsons in the next generations will ask you this.If you werent be there, your children and grand children will bear the cost of this burden you are trying to put in kenya

After the mediation i advice if the result is not favourable to ODM, then conduct an endless demonstration. Just distabilize the political situation.

Raila akibali tu yaishe na ODM iwe effective opposition! We need a strong and effective oppostion pia!

Huu ushauri nimeusema tangu Kibaki anaapishwa- yet leo hii watu bado eti wanaamini atajiuzulu!

Kibaki ni mkorofi sana aisee. Kenya imepata pigo kubwa sana.

Kenya President Says No Recount, or Vote
By KATY POWNALL,Associated Press
Posted: 2008-01-09 15:12:46
KISUMU, Kenya (AP) - President Mwai Kibaki, addressing countrymen who had to flee blazing homes and rampaging mobs armed with machetes and arrows in Kenya's seething political turmoil, defiantly rejected demands Wednesday for a new election or vote recount.

Violence set off by opposition claims that Kibaki stole the Dec. 27 presidential election raged on, causing a new exodus of refugees, and there was little sign of softening by the president or his chief rival, Raila Odinga.

More than 500 people have died in violence that in some areas pits other tribes against Kibaki's Kikuyu, the dominant people in politics and business in this East African nation.

The vote "is finished and anybody who thinks they can turn it around should know that it's not possible and it will never be possible," Kibaki told a crowd in the western town of Burnt Forest, his first trip to a trouble spot since bloodshed erupted two days after the disputed ballot.

Speaking in Swahili, his tone was much sharper than in his official statements to the press, in which he focused on dialogue and harmony. He repeated his call for any allegations of election fixing to be settled in court. Kenya's high court is filled with Kibaki appointees.

Kibaki urged the thousands of refugees camped at a school in Burnt Forest not to abandon their land.

"Do not be afraid. The government will protect you," he said. "Nobody is going to be chased from where they live."

But that already has happened to an estimated 255,000 Kenyans.

On Wednesday, women with suitcases on their heads and frightened children grabbing at their skirts searched for transport to get away from Kisumu, the main western town where Odinga has strong support and those seen as government supporters have been attacked.

On the road to Nairobi, the capital, dozens of angry youths brandishing sticks burned tires to block the route. "If elections fail, violence prevails!" they shouted.

People lined up in the poorest Nairobi slums to wait for food aid, because violence has cut off regular supplies of food and water. Hundreds gathered in the Kibera slum turned rowdy as volunteers tried to hand out food, and several men stole sacks of corn flour.

"There are some boys there taking all the food," said Eunice Ochien, 21, who was pushed out of line. "It isn't fair."

The election dispute has brought chaos to a country long considered one of Africa's most stable democracies.

The chairman of the African Union, Ghanian President John Kufuor, was in Kenya trying to mediate a settlement, with support from the U.S. and Britain. But it was unclear he was making any progress in easing the anger and distrust dividing Kibaki and Odinga.

There were indications Wednesday that Kibaki hoped to resolve the crisis through direct talks with the opposition. After Kibaki meant with the AU envoy, the government issued a statement saying Kibaki "assured President Kufuor that he had already initiated a process of dialogue with other Kenyan leaders."

The opposition, however, insists it will not negotiate without African Union mediation.

The president also angered the opposition on Tuesday by filling several Cabinet posts with his allies. Salim Lone, a spokesman for Odinga's party, called the Cabinet announcement "a slap in the face" and said it was meant to undermine AU-mediated talks.

After meeting with Kufuor on Wednesday, Odinga said he told the statesman: "We want peace to return to our country ... There cannot be lasting peace without justice."

In a statement issued Wednesday, Kibaki said he was "committed to dialogue with all parties" and indicated there still was room for Odinga's party in his Cabinet, which has half its seats unfilled.

"It is envisioned that this government will be established as a result of a constructive and inclusive dialogue. Nothing is ruled out in this process," Kibaki's statement said.

Odinga's party won 95 parliament seats and Kibaki's party got 43 in legislative elections held the same day as the presidential ballot, meaning it will be difficult for Kibaki to govern without making some overture to Odinga.

According to a Kenyan government Web site, Kibaki won 4,584,721 votes, or 47 percent, and Odinga got 4,352,993, or 44 percent.

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BBC sasa hivi wanatangaza kama breaking news, mazungumzo kati ya Kibaki na Odinga yamevunjika. Tujiandae kusikia na kuona mauaji tena!

Mimi siamini katika serikali ambayo Kibaki ni Rais na Raila ni waziri mkuu! Hilo lilishindikana wakati wa NARC amapo Raila alikubali kuivunja KANU, Kumuunga mkono Kibaki (kumbekini yale ya Kibaki Tosha)na kufanya makubaliano (MoU) kuwa ndani ya siku 100 wabadili katiba iweke nafasi ya waziri mkuu ili yeye, Raila, awe waziri mkuu. Baadaye Kibaki akageuka na kukataa kubadili katiba, hata alipokubali nafasi ya waziri mkuu haikuwa na mamlaka yoyote muhimu ya kiutendaji! Raila na wenzake wakakataa wakati wa kampeni ya katiba (chungwa).

Sasa leo kipi kipya anachokuja nacho Kibaki? Tena baada ya haya ya uchaguzi mkuu? Kuna mawili, ama akubali kweli kuwa na serikali ya mseto amabamo yeye Kibaki na Raila wanapeana nafasi karibu sawa katika baraza la mawaziri ili nguvu zao zisipishane, ama hoja ya Raila ya serikali ya mpito na kurudia uchaguzi. Nje ya hapo siona MUAFAKA.

Kofi Annan now to mediate talks.

Source: BBC News.


SteveD.

Kenya crisis talks end in failure

Talks conducted by Ghanaian President John Kufuor to end Kenya's political crisis have broken down, opposition and government sources have said.
Mr Kufuor had been hoping to broker a deal between President Mwai Kibaki and opposition leader Raila Odinga after last month's disputed elections.

However, Mr Kufuor said both sides had agreed to work together under a panel headed by ex-UN chief Kofi Annan.

About 600 people have died in unrest which followed the poll.

In addition to those killed, some 250,000 are feared displaced by the violence following the 27 December election in Kenya - previously seen as a relative beacon of stability in East Africa.

'Eminent personalities'

A government spokesman confirmed that Mr Kufuor was leaving the country with no sign of success.

Both sides agreed there should be an end to the violence and they also agreed there should be dialogue

John Kufuor


Tough task for Kenya diplomacy

He had spent hours in a meeting with Mr Odinga but had been unable to persuade him to meet Mr Kibaki, the spokesman said.

But the Ghanaian president seemed more upbeat.

"The parties agreed to work together with a panel of eminent African personalities headed by Mr Kofi Annan... towards resolving their differences and all other outstanding issues including constitutional and electoral reforms," he said.

"Both sides agreed there should be an end to the violence and they also agreed there should be dialogue."

Mr Kibaki maintains he won the election fairly, but Mr Odinga says it was stolen.

Earlier Mr Kibaki swore in members of a new cabinet, though some minor posts have been left vacant leading to speculation that these could be offered to the opposition.

Mr Odinga has so far refused to recognise the cabinet or participate in a government of national unity.

Same old story....

Hii itakuwa inapigwa mpira, mara Kofi Annan, Kufour, mara Condi, mpaka 2012.

Raila, anzisha your second move. This b..s isn't working so far!