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Tim Choice,,,,

You started very well but at the end,,,you become a very angry man.:biggrin::biggrin:

We are discussing and not fighting. I hope you are an African and not a Mzungu
though i don't mind engaging any any.

Those two criminals can only shine in your little tribal villages at the foot of mout kenya and in your hateful tribal mind and dont ever compare the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to your tribal chief....EVER again son, good?....GOOD.
NOW,say hello to your tribal chief(Kenyatta) for me

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To you,,,these two are criminals and to many other Kenyans,,,they are pure and innocent
and that is why we cast our votes for them.

Also to the African continent,,,these two are African heroes. Ask Kaguta Museveni,,Kagame
of Rwanda,,go to Etiopia,,Goodluck Jonathan of Nigeria,,Ghana, South Africa,,,ask them all
and they will tell you more,,that you may not know and that is why the African continent
stood with these two and rendered the whole ICC thing,,useless.

ICC is almost a foregone case. Nobody knows what is going on there,,when the cases resumes,
we don't know nor do we care.

The amount of BRUTE FORCE/POWER on the US SHOULDERS requires a SOBER HEAD like it has....get this from an insider...because there is only one existing SUPERPOWER IN THE WORLD TODAY,and the US can crush that communist dreamer anytime they wish.They are not because they understand how connected the world economy is today-thanks to them(dollar) and they wouldn't want any MARKET INSTABILITY which will affect them.Otherwise the whole world would be at war if the United States and ALL its allies and EU,plus Australia,India,Brazil,Canada and Japan did not have a sober head(US)

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This is a joke,,and not a good one,,,,America is a super power to many but not to Russia.

Now Obama will meeting Putin to discuss,,,,why discuss when they have power over them??:biggrin:
They thought that they could intimidate Russia but not with those useless suctions that
sounds like a joke.

Why didn't they discuss with Muamar Gadaffi,,,they could not for anybody they think is inferior,
they just go crushing him into oblivion.They never cared about the so called market instability,
even in Iraq,,,that thing,,eti market instability is a foreign thing to them.

But when it comes to Russia,,,,ooooh market instability,,,no no bro,,,wanaogopa,,kwani what
do they have that Russia doesn't have.

Do not tell me that Russia does not have nuclear warhead in abundance,,if we talk about
armaments,,or can i know from you about,,,if there is anything more dangerous and feared
in this world than nuclear arms.

Let me inform you that Russia is no North Korea.

His Excellency. RAILA ODINGA was elected overwhelmingly by 40 of Kenya's 42 tribes....in a population of 47M with approx. 20M voters...do the math..bro.....and nobody chose or imposed no one so stop pointing at the WEST child....Kenya is a third world country with a very very very minute scar on US Foreign policy that if they wanted a change of government they wouldn't beat around the bush.

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I agree with you,,the way his excellency was elected,,those figures above there,,i have never
seen anything like that before,,,but whom i'm i to disagree with you,,,for president Raila Odinga
is a president of unknown country which i have never heard of:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:.

HAO MABEPARI wana permanent INTERESTS na INVESTMENTS in Kenya just like KENYA has INTERESTS and INVESTMENTS in other places like S.SUDAN,UG,TZ or Rwanda...and have to be protected i.e businesses. That's why your leader was poking his nose in S.Sudan during the recent conflict......its so for ANY OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH(TRADE).

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If we go forcing people to elect the people we prefer so as to safeguard our interests,,,the way the
US and its brother do,,,then we will turn this world into hell.

US,,British, French interest only matters to them and not every one in this world.

But these foolish people still feel as if the world is them,,that,,it is only them that matters,,
but the world is changing very fast,,because of the west blindness and useless over
confidence,,their economies are falling,,,China and Russia, Brazil, India are coming up
and very fast.

We used to think that heaven was America, Britain and the rest but it is not the case.

Kenya and Africa are heaven and we will make it even better.

UHURU na KAZI.:juggle:

The most SILLIEST COMMENT SO FAR is this........"They are now forcing homosexuality into Africa,,,these so called,,development partners,"........unless maybe in your little corner they came and forcefully asked you to be a homosexual.

.LOOK TODAY THE SUCCESS WE HAVE IN THE BATTLE ON AIDS....this goes to show that you are always slow in thinking and the last in everything.....when others have seen their folly, you cannot learn....oh i forgot how they made you see the logic and reason in respecting WOMENS RIGHTS and the education of the GIRL CHILD,before you were not educating them or empowering them,see the economic success?....that again was your African culture for you(MARRYING THEM OFF WITHOUT EDUCATION).....How about FGM?...does that ring a bell?....its the same WEST that campaigned with its own resources and told you to stop..before you had no sense........I can't even finish today.....

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There are many communities in Kenya,,Africa,, that,,never practiced,,FGM.

I do not remember when Americans came to tell them not to.

When American and bros,,,tell Museveni that they will stop all kind of aid to Uganda,,
unless,,unless he stop signing that homosexuality law,,,what do you call it????

Next time,,they will be bombing him for refusing to let their awful cultures in the west
into Uganda.

You cannot wake one day,,,tell other communities to do things that never happened
in their places.

This is what disgust me very much,,,that the west never respect others,,,that is why
Arabs are always bombing their skyscrapers using their own useless,,jets.

They don't see beyond their funny noses.

We are going for China and Russia.

They cannot stop us.

Eti now US is sending some,,sijui Homosexuality specialist to see Museveni and
discuss,,sijui nini.

Mmmmmm,,,they have stooped very law,,,even dogs,,cows, pigs cannot go as
low the way the societies are doing.

Next time,,,it will not,,,eeee,,i don't know what to call it,,,huko nyuma:biggrin:,,for they
will now go for any hole in your body,,,your nose,,ears everywhere and when you
resist,,,they stop aid and the next day,,send some expert to teach you the new
ways of enjoying life,,,and if you continue resistance,,,bomb you.

Where are we heading to,,,we behave as if it is the end of the world,,,what about
2070,80 90, where will we be as human being if we continue the west as to.

If we go the western way,,,,i fear that animals will become more superior than us.

May the lord forbid.

And if USA wants to help anybody..let's them start from their own backyard where
help is really,,needed.

Let them start with Haiti and leave Africa alone.

Kabaridi said:

I will engage only a few points that are realistic, God forbids that some of you are still stuck on the March 4th maneno, fireup and start moving,

you tell me if there's any leadership that has embraced gender equality. a system that has women reps in every county, If the new idea of gender equality is being observed, why extend all noises on gender equality, that is only practical where women are being harrased, in a world that assumes women must be educated to be successful, you are bound to have such challenges.

Bad practises like FGM are still there because you have a nonfunctional county government systems, where small county,,, 'presidents' are engaging us in sideshows and comical prowess about flying flags etc.

This is failing this count!ry, governors are failing to kickstart development projects arguing about budgets what have you, why should the country fail. because of 47 men? this is uncalled for these are real issues that you should be talking about....if there is a judiciary trying to flex it's muscles and other institutions trying the same when will this pple work? same pple that voted foe the constitution are challenging it...What is the way for forward

I swore to myself not to debate anything about gay issue but I will for the record to say the debate is just something leading to another, haven't there been laws against homosexuality before? why is it now that this warfare is threatening you? is funny you are saying homosexuals to be treated with dignity, like others and grouped as the 'marginalized ' but you haven't considered its implications. ie moral spiritual the act itself does not portray dignity, so you got your principles mixed up... .am not understanding you help me...


My rating of the elected leaders is above 10, because like most African leaders hypocritical they did not engage in sealing loopholes, massive corruption under the ICC, THREAT, THEY Uhuru/ruto ARE STILL WORKING WITH THE ICC MOLEs IN GOVT MAKING THE MOST NOISE. I do not see them being accompanied by the f5 when they go for REGIONAL? meeting's

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In this post I can see 3 things......to sum up.....
1. A clique bent on derailing the God-given DEVOLUTION SYSTEM that decentralized power.....they want to centralize power because they feel their chief(tribal) no longer wields the magic wand as they thought it would be ....they failed to deeply study and analyze politics but instead chose to vote tribally not knowing the new constitutions stance on devolution.

2. Thinking by fighting the center of devolved power i.e Governors,Senators and so on they can portray them as the evil ones....hence look for ways of convincing the public hence changing the constitution.

3. A short-sighted individual,dont even mention morality and spirituality as a basis of legalising homophobia and inhumane laws...you are not holy or moral neither is anybody for that matter...spirituality..well..thats even dumber...not everyone is a sheep to believe in fantasy myths and stories about certain sky daddies with blonde hair and blue eyes....roaming in the jungle and hadithi za..........alfu lela ulela.

Jammu Africa, ......I dont wish to debate all those nonesense you wrote there....cannot and will not waste my time on your post..maybe next time when you write something sensible.....please remember JF is not a forum for campaigning for your tribal chief......:embarassed2:

Jammu Africa said:

.......Also to the African continent,,,these two are African heroes. Ask Kaguta Museveni,,Kagame
of Rwanda,,go to Etiopia,,Goodluck Jonathan of Nigeria,,Ghana, South Africa,,,ask them all
and they will tell you more.....

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hehehe!.mfamaji haishi kutapatapa.
what about kikwete-their southern neighbour?.shouldnt he suppose to be in the list of leaders who admire uhuruto as african heroes?.
if yes,why?.if no,why?.

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3. A short-sighted individual,dont even mention morality and spirituality as a basis of legalising homophobia and inhumane laws...you are not holy or moral neither is anybody for that matter...spirituality..well..thats even dumber...not everyone is a sheep to believe in fantasy myths and stories about certain sky daddies with blonde hair and blue eyes....roaming in the jungle and hadithi za..........alfu lela ulela.

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I have been keenly watching guys dwell on the gay issue for too long, what pple are having is fear.. those that are homophobic are normally motivated by fear of the unknown which is a humans greatest enemy. is it easier though to procure justice against gays in uganda in comparison to kenya. in kenya we have a phenomenon called gender equality and more women are advocating for gay rights which is very differnet in uganda where there are men that openly champion their gay rights on television in the morning and it is easier for museveni to ensure those men are basking in the sun in jail the same afternoon.

I think Tim Choice should start charging some of you for the invaluable lessons on devolution & foreign policy. :biggrin:

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Jammu Africa You do know that the Russia's GDP is a measly $2 trillion while that of California is $1.8 trillion. America can and will inflict serious damage on the Russian economy.

On running into China's arms. The Chinese have found another bride. One only has to look at their activities in region to appreciate that point.

Tim Choice said:

Jammu Africa, ......I dont wish to debate all those nonesense you wrote there....cannot and will not waste my time on your post..maybe next time when you write something sensible.....please remember JF is not a forum for campaigning for your tribal chief......:embarassed2:

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I thought that you were going to pin me down,,,using your,,insider's informations.:biggrin:

You came into this forum the other day and now you want to teach me,,sijui
what.

And,,please remember that JF is not a forum for campaigning for a fallen and
naked king with no country to rule,,,,his excellency Janduong' Amollo Raila.:biggrin::biggrin:

Get a life bro na uwache hizo hasira zako hata kama ODM inakufa.

Kiny nwa nere.:nod: