Kenya na Ethiopia ndio nchi zilizotumia pesa nyingi kujihami mwaka 2019

[Venus Star]

Just say you have no reply to my rebuttal...

kenya operates several systems ,
1.BM-21 Grad
2.SA-11 BUK1M SP-SAM

Acha ujinga wewe
Issue ya BM-21 tumeshaiongelea hapo juu.
Halafu SAM and BM ni vitu viwili tofauti

 

[vulcan]

Tatizo lako hujui majukumu ya vifaa vya kivita
self-propelled ni vifaru.
Kazi zake ni kwenye main battle
MLRs are flying Rockets with engin.
They are guarded by GPS system.

They are intercontinental range, intercounty range and within country.

BM-21 are short range.

Wacha uongo,
MRL just means Multiple rocket launcher, no wonder you keep typing MLR
Do you know what inter-continental range means...

ICBMs are inter-continental ballistic missiles...
"An intercontinental ballistic missile is a guided ballistic missile with a minimum range of 5,500 kilometres primarily designed for nuclear weapons delivery. Similarly, conventional, chemical, and biological weapons can also be delivered with varying effectiveness, but have never been deployed on ICBMs "

wacha ukiritimba kaka ... only USA,China, Russia, India, UK ,France and North Korea posses ICMBS

 

[vulcan]

Acha ujinga wewe
Issue ya BM-21 tumeshaiongelea hapo juu.
Halafu SAM and BM ni vitu viwili tofauti

BM-21 is a short range Multiple Rocket Launcher (MRL) ...kuelewa ni ngumu hivo kwako????

I didn't say they are same, i said "Kenya operates several systems"

 

[Venus Star]

BM-21 is a short range Multiple Rocket Launcher (MRL) ...kuelewa ni ngumu hivo kwako????

I didn't say they are same, i said "Kenya operates several systems"

Sasa tunaongelea MRL mambo ya SA yametoka wapi!?
Your defensing system is so weak.
You can't protect ur land

 

[vulcan]

Sasa tunaongelea MRL mambo ya SA yametoka wapi!?
Your defensing system is so weak.
You can't protect ur land

SAMs are more critical to us,
ha ha , in the history of the great Eastern Africa, only Kenya has never been invaded..
Even Somalia in their days of glory preferred to invade Ethiopia....ask yourself why. then i will answer

 

[Sherlock]

Hebu soma pale ulipoandika uweze kukicheka.
MLRs are next level.
You cannot compare with self-propelled artillery. These are two different weapons.
The longest target for self-propelled artillery is 240km but MLRs are intercontinental.

We are talking about Rockets.

"By the way We are talking about BM not SAM." this is what you said .

Nikakuambia Kenya operated BM 21 that are now retired.
then nikaongeza kuwa MLRS you are talking about will be most effective against non moving Targets .
I finaly added that Kenya operates a wide range of artillery pieces and some Self-propelled artillery .

 

[Sherlock]

Kuhusu difference Kati ya MLRS na field Artillery .There is no tactical difference..the only difference is in things such as type of projectiles used and the firing range.
NB tactical difference.

 

[vulcan]

"By the way We are talking about BM not SAM." this is what you said .

Nikakuambia Kenya operated BM 21 that are now retired.
then nikaongeza kuwa MLRS you are talking about will be most effective against non moving Targets .
I finaly added that Kenya operates a wide range of artillery pieces and some Self-propelled artillery .

This guy thinks MRLs are such critical weapons, well they are important for concentrating an attack on a fixed target, but
in a war situation they need to be used in massive numbers to make a difference.. with their cost ...Self Propelled Artillery may be more practical and flexible

 

[Venus Star]

"By the way We are talking about BM not SAM." this is what you said .

Nikakuambia Kenya operated BM 21 that are now retired.
then nikaongeza kuwa MLRS you are talking about will be most effective against non moving Targets .
I finaly added that Kenya operates a wide range of artillery pieces and some Self-propelled artillery .

Lala naona pombe inakufanya upoteze uwezo wa kufikiri.
We are talking about modern missile which equipped with sensors.
The Rockets launched from the source has GPS and Sensors to fire the warhead.

BM-21 are old fashion ballistic missiles. Do not have sensors.

Nimekwambia ulete evidence of defense system for KDF unapiga kelele tu.
TZ has:-
BM-30
BM-27
A100
SA-3
SA-6

 

[Mgagaa na Upwa]

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Wewe si uende Somalia ufirwe huko maana wanakuzingua sana

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[Sherlock]

Lala naona pombe inakufanya upoteze uwezo wa kufikiri.
We are talking about modern missile which equipped with sensors.
The Rockets launched from the source has GPS and Sensors to fire the warhead.

BM-21 are old fashion ballistic missiles. Do not have sensors.

Nimekwambia ulete evidence of defense system for KDF unapiga kelele tu.
TZ has:-
BM-30
BM-27
A100
SA-3
SA-6

Hapo kwa sensors sijakuelewa I hope ulikuwa inamaanisha guidance systems .
anyway most Field artillery use a forward obsever to direct those firing . Thus are more accurate than MLRS .
Another drawback for A 100 is that once you have fired all the Rockets in the 10 tubes it takes around 20 min to reload and fire again.That is enough time for it to be destroyed by either air support or even field artillery which takes less time to reload and fire.

 

[Venus Star]

Kuhusu difference Kati ya MLRS na field Artillery .There is no tactical difference..the only difference is in things such as type of projectiles used and the firing range.
NB tactical difference.

Pwahahaha!!!

 

[Sherlock]

Pwahahaha!!!
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Bro there is nothing wrong with what you posted.its all true😂😂

 

[Venus Star]

Hapo kwa sensors sijakuelewa I hope ulikuwa inamaanisha guidance systems .
anyway most Field artillery use a forward obsever to direct those firing . Thus are more accurate than MLRS .
Another drawback for A 100 is that once you have fired all the Rockets in the 10 tubes it takes around 20 min to reload and fire again.That is enough time for it to be destroyed by either air support or even field artillery which takes less time to reload and fire.

Kabla ya kuanza kubweka sana soma hapa:

What are the differences in tactical use of MLRS's versus conventional artillery (especially self-propelled)? In which situations is the use of conventional artillery more appropriate? - Quora

 

[Venus Star]

Bro there is nothing wrong with what you posted.its all true😂😂

Nataka twende na we we taratibu. Because we we hujui na unajiona unajua kwa kuunga unga

 

[Sherlock]

Kabla ya kuanza kubweka sana soma hapa:

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What are the differences in tactical use of MLRS's versus conventional artillery (especially self-propelled)? In which situations is the use of conventional artillery more appropriate? - Quora

Do you know why I said tactical difference?...it because both are used for the same purpose i.e shelling enemy position .😂😂
Instead you are trying to imply as if owning several rocket launchers is the best thing that ever happened to Tanzania

 

[Venus Star]

Do you know where I said tactical difference?...it because both are used for the same purpose i.e shelling enemy position .😂😂
Instead you were trying to imply as owning several rocket launchers is the best thing that ever happened to Tanzania

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Unachekesha sana kijana

Twende kazi:-

MLRS , are more or less quick fire , quick impact , quick destruction or Dushman's troops and battle formations.
Once you fire the 6-7 rockets you are eager to move the trucks away as you are done , it can quickly wipe out fast.

Artillery is more less , bit slower yet impactful tool ideal for pushing back enegy lines as whole , destroying structures

 

[Sherlock]

Nataka twende na we we taratibu. Because we we hujui na unajiona unajua kwa kuunga unga

Kwanza jua difference Kati ya Operational na firing range. .... Umekuwa uki danganya watu ati range ya BM 30 smerch ni 900km 😂😂whereas that is the operational range That thing can only fire a maximum of 90km.do you Know what 900km mean In ballistic missiles ama ni kuropokwa tu?

 

[Chrismoris]

Huku Kenya na Ethiopia zikijihami, marafiki wenzetu wanaendelea kulala usingizi wa pono. Yaani hawakutumia hata $1 million kwa kununua silaha halafu wanataka kutuniana vifua na sisi. Hatuko ligi moja. Nyie tunawapa siku tatu tu na mumekaa chini mkiomba msamaha.


Ethiopia, Kenya raise military spend as East Africa arms budget hits $104 million
Saturday April 4 2020
Russia accounts for 49pc of arms exports to Africa, followed by the US and China.



A participant stands at a VPK-Ural armoured multipurpose vehicle during the 2019 Russia-Africa Summit and Economic Forum, in Sochi, Russia
A participant stands at a VPK-Ural armoured multipurpose vehicle during the 2019 Russia-Africa Summit and Economic Forum, in Sochi, Russia. Official data shows that Russia accounted for 49 per cent of arms exports to Africa in 2019. PHOTO | AFP | SPUTNIK

By ALLAN OLINGO

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IN SUMMARY
African countries have over the years been criticised for perceived over-spending on weapons at the expense of their development budgets.
Kenya spent $32 million, most of which went to upgrading its airpower. Uganda spent $1 million, down from the $9 million it spent in 2018 while Tanzania and Rwanda did not spend on weapons.
Ethiopia received six G-120TP trainer aircrafts from Germany last year. It also received 100 57E6 SAM missile systems from Russia for its pantsyr-S1 air defense systems. Addis also received four 96K9 Pantsyr-S1 Mobile air defense system last year, from an order it made in 2018.
Russia accounts for 49 per cent of arms exports to Africa, followed by the US at 14 per cent and China at 13 per cent.
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Eastern African countries spent $104 million on arms last year as Ethiopia and Kenya raced to modernise their defense systems, even as Rwanda, Tanzania and Uganda reduced their military spending in the same period.

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (Sipri) 2019 Arms transfer database report shows that Ethiopia topped military spending in the region, paying $71 million to arms suppliers last year, the highest in the region. The bulk of the money was set aside for modernising its air defense systems.

Kenya spent $32 million, most of which went to upgrading its airpower. Uganda spent $1 million, down from the $9 million it spent in 2018 while Tanzania and Rwanda did not spend on weapons. The Sipri report captures the actual delivery of arms in 2019.

African countries have over the years been criticised for perceived over-spending on weapons at the expense of their development budgets.

Ethiopia received six G-120TP trainer aircrafts from Germany last year. It also received 100 57E6 SAM missile systems from Russia for its pantsyr-S1 air defense systems. Addis also received four 96K9 Pantsyr-S1 Mobile air defense system last year, from an order it made in 2018.

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Nairobi received the last batch of the three C-27J Spartan Transport aircraft from Italy ordered in 2017. It also received two of the AW139 Helicopter ordered in 2018. This delivery, Sipri says, included one helicopter “for VIP transport” from Poland.

The Kenyan military received one of two M28 Skytruck planes from the United States, which was part of a military aid deal, with the planned delivery of the last one set for later this year.

The country also received six of the Rolls-Royce AE-2100 engines for the C-27J Spartan Transport aircrafts it had ordered from Italian manufacturer Leonardo at a cost of Ksh20 billion ($200 million). They are expected to replace the ageing fleet of De Havilland Canada DHC-5 Buffalos.

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Washington also delivered six armed MD 530F Cayuse Warrior helicopters to Nairobi, which were ordered in 2018. The deal also included initial logistics support (ILS) for the aircraft, aircraft systems and ground support equipment.

Kenya recorded a rise in its ranking on the amount spent in military arms to position 62 in 2019, from 95 the previous year, showing its increased appetite for arms imports.

The country has traditionally preferred to purchase its arms and weapons from Serbia, Russia, China and Israel; with some of these purchases now coming in from Italy and the United States.

Tanzania received three (H125 version) of the ten Airbus AS-350 helicopters for its military last year, from an order of ten it made in 2017, which included eight AS-350/AS-550 Fennec light helicopters and two other AS-532 Cougar/AS-332 transport helicopters produced from a Romanian line.

Uganda received 31 of the 45 Mamba APC. The South African Manufactured Mamba vehicles are meant for internal security purposes, and are to be assembled in the country, having been imported as knocked-down units.

The Sipri arms transfer data shows that Russia accounted for 49 per cent of arms exports to Africa, followed by the US at 14 per cent and China at 13 per cent.

The data also showed that Russia accounted for 36 per cent of arms imports by African States, China 19 per cent and France 7.6 per cent. The five largest arms importers in sub-Saharan Africa were Angola, Nigeria, Sudan, Senegal and Zambia.


East African countries splurge $104m on new arms

Wakenya wanaishi na mentality ya Crown colony.

Mtakufa kwa njaa nyie igeni igeni tu

 

[Venus Star]

Kwanza jua difference Kati ya Operational na firing range. .... Umekuwa uki danganya watu ati range ya BM 30 smerch ni 900km 😂😂whereas that is the operational range That thing can only fire a maximum of 90km.do you Know what 900km mean In ballistic missiles ama ni kuropokwa tu?

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Naona sasa umeanza kuvimbiwa unaanza kutoa maneno machafu.
Umeshindwa Hapa tunaongelea MLRS vs self-propelled artillery.
Unarukia rukia vitu bila kutoa points za maana. Unapiga kelele tu huna hata proof yoyote.
Twende kazi ondoa jazba.