Kenya ranks up there as a failed state....WOW!!!

Kenya ranks up there as a failed state....WOW!!!

jmushi1 said:
Smatta;issue ya katiba mpya ambayo kuna wale wanaosema kuwa ikipitishwa basi wamasai waondoke huku,wakikuyu warudi kule na Kaleinjin wehere they belong huoni kuwa itachangia deligitimization?
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Those are simply inciters and hopefully the law will deal with them, Kenyans want a new constitution and we will definately get one.. Watch this space homes
 
Smatta said:
Those are simply inciters and hopefully the law will deal with them, Kenyans want a new constitution and we will definately get one.. Watch this space homes
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Shukran kwa taarifa kuwa mnataka a new constitution,lakini wasiotaka nao ni wengi sana na wana influence kubwa kama mlivyoona kwenye ule mkutano uliotupiwa grenades....Taifa linaweza kuwa tajiri lakini uwezekano wa ku collapse ukawa mkubwa kuliko taifa masikini,na hapa kama ilivyo wazi ni hizo demographic na deligitimisation issue ambazo binafsi nadhani ni extremely critical...Hivyo ni vichocheo vikubwa sana towards a failing state status.

Nawatakia kila la kheri kwenye hilo,nilipokuwa nikisoma issue za uchaguzi uliopita nili ignore tu nikijuwa mta go through,nika ignore mambo ya chungwa sijui na ndizi...Lakini matokeo yake ni wazi sikuweza kuya ignore coz mauwaji na disaplacements vilikuwa high,kwa kifupi stability haikuwepo tena,sasa huu ni kama mwendelezo wa siasa zile zilizopita na pia siwezi kudharau maneno ya viongozi ambao ni juzi tu mmewafikisha mahakamani.....Mmefanya vyema kuwafungulia mashataka, lakini je hamtambui kuwa wana watu wengi sana tu wanaowasapoti?Mfano ukiwa hao viongozi wa dini ambao wana following ya ajabu?Kama ni mahakama na polisi sidhani hayo tu yanatosha kumaliza issue hii ya wakenya...I might be wrong,but lets wait and c.
 
jmushi1 said:
Shukran kwa taarifa kuwa mnataka a new constitution,lakini wasiotaka nao ni wengi sana na wana influence kubwa kama mlivyoona kwenye ule mkutano uliotupiwa grenades....Taifa linaweza kuwa tajiri lakini uwezekano wa ku collapse ukawa mkubwa kuliko taifa masikini,na hapa kama ilivyo wazi ni hizo demographic na deligitimisation issue ambazo binafsi nadhani ni extremely critical...Hivyo ni vichocheo vikubwa sana towards a failing state status.

Nawatakia kila la kheri kwenye hilo,nilipokuwa nikisoma issue za uchaguzi uliopita nili ignore tu nikijuwa mta go through,nika ignore mambo ya chungwa sijui na ndizi...Lakini matokeo yake ni wazi sikuweza kuya ignore coz mauwaji na disaplacements vilikuwa high,kwa kifupi stability haikuwepo tena,sasa huu ni kama mwendelezo wa siasa zile zilizopita na pia siwezi kudharau maneno ya viongozi ambao ni juzi tu mmewafikisha mahakamani.....Mmefanya vyema kuwafungulia mashataka, lakini je hamtambui kuwa wana watu wengi sana tu wanaowasapoti?Mfano ukiwa hao viongozi wa dini ambao wana following ya ajabu?Kama ni mahakama na polisi sidhani hayo tu yanatosha kumaliza issue hii ya wakenya...I might be wrong,but lets wait and c.
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You should not wait and c. 4 wot?
 
RealDeal said:
You should not wait and c. 4 wot?
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Kwanza umeshasema i should not wait and c,halafu bado unauliza for what?
Tulia na usome posting yangu utaelewa what is there to be waited for if there's neting to be waited for....
I also can assume that you know what is there to be waited for since you just told me not to wait for it....Can yu tell mi what you reffered to when you adviced me not to wait?
 
Ab-Titchaz said:
Wewe nanii, you should have started reading the thread from the start ungepata jibu la swali lako.
Here you go....
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That report is invalid. In fact i think its a persons opinion.
 
paradox said:
Interesting news, I dunno what all the TZ and KE bashing is about, the report only mentions Kenya and not Tanzania.
I have a strong feeling most of the Kenyans here feel ridiculed by the report but lashing out at Tanzanians won't really make the problem go away and neither will pointing out Tanzania's flaws just to make yourself feel good about your own country which isn't really that far above Tanzania (perhaps one rung higher on the global ladder really), perhaps the report is falsified but I don't think Kenya's Nation media house would publish something like this unless there was a glimmer of truth in it, think about it for a minute, clean up your own house first before you start to judge our house and take any criticism you get from the world in a civil manner .
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Paradox, No IT IS the Kenya bashing in here that gets Kenyans responding in the same spirit. It happens all the time and I always ask what Kenya bashing will achieve for any body, but only a few people respond. No debate in here can end without matusi and what not! As soon as Kenya is mentioned on the subject line or in the body of the post, forget it its like a fight club with no rules...it degenerates with TZ calling Kenyans names and Kenyans defending their Kenya by calling TZ names and then the moderator has to intervene by either deleting abusive language or blocking the topic all together.
Some people in this forum are instigators, but in real life are cowards.
We are all in the same boat...in EA we are trying to be self suffiecient, there are problems in all frontiers and none can boast to have a perfect solution. There is a measure of gloating when bad things happen in Kenya...however, this will most definitly spill into all neighbouring countries.
Examples, are the ever present somali problem in NE, Mungiki, PEV as some TZedians are fond of saying that we will chinja each other come 2012... the downside is that after we done chinjaring each other we will spill into TZ, UG, Rwanda etc...
So be careful what you all wish for! Most Kenyans before PEV when asked could have sworn that Kenya could not not have gone that route but we did and we were in your territory so keep on wishing and we will have another PEV and we will come to your "perfect TZ'" and we will continue to be the nyang'aus that you claim us to be, only now in your back yard and guess what you will not be able to do anything. We will introduce our bad Kenyan attitude to your "perfect TZ people" armed robbery, cult like gangs like mungiki, ukabila...unyang'ausness and the least goes on.

When we sympathised with Somali refugees, and let them in...see what happened they have hijacked Eastleigh, it is actually called "little Mogadishu"...I could go on...I bow out for now.
 
Nyaralego said:
Paradox, No IT IS the Kenya bashing in here that gets Kenyans responding in the same spirit. It happens all the time and I always ask what Kenya bashing will achieve for any body, but only a few people respond. No debate in here can end without matusi and what not! As soon as Kenya is mentioned on the subject line or in the body of the post, forget it its like a fight club with no rules...it degenerates with TZ calling Kenyans names and Kenyans defending their Kenya by calling TZ names and then the moderator has to intervene by either deleting abusive language or blocking the topic all together.
Some people in this forum are instigators, but in real life are cowards.
We are all in the same boat...in EA we are trying to be self suffiecient, there are problems in all frontiers and none can boast to have a perfect solution. There is a measure of gloating when bad things happen in Kenya...however, this will most definitly spill into all neighbouring countries.
Examples, are the ever present somali problem in NE, Mungiki, PEV as some TZedians are fond of saying that we will chinja each other come 2012... the downside is that after we done chinjaring each other we will spill into TZ, UG, Rwanda etc...
So be careful what you all wish for! Most Kenyans before PEV when asked could have sworn that Kenya could not not have gone that route but we did and we were in your territory so keep on wishing and we will have another PEV and we will come to your "perfect TZ'" and we will continue to be the nyang'aus that you claim us to be, only now in your back yard and guess what you will not be able to do anything. We will introduce our bad Kenyan attitude to your "perfect TZ people" armed robbery, cult like gangs like mungiki, ukabila...unyang'ausness and the least goes on.

When we sympathised with Somali refugees, and let them in...see what happened they have hijacked Eastleigh, it is actually called "little Mogadishu"...I could go on...I bow out for now.
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Not so fast dude! in Tanzania, we will keep you in the refugees camps just like the Burundians and Rwandese! And if you will be patient enough to wait for 20 years then we will intergrate and assimilate your kids since they will have automatically acquired Tanzanian civilisation been born and grow up in TZ just like the 70,000 Burundians! whereas as for you, we will leave you at peace with the few remaining years of being alive cause we know the life expectancy therefore a potential humus for the soil! i can assure you of that treatment, get that now and stop day dreaming!
 
Geza Ulole said:
Not so fast dude! in Tanzania, we will keep you in the refugees camps just like the Burundians and Rwandese! And if you will be patient enough to wait for 20 years then we will intergrate and assimilate your kids since they will have automatically acquired Tanzanian civilisation been born and grow up in TZ just like the 70,000 Burundians! whereas as for you, we will leave you at peace with the few remaining years of being alive cause we know the life expectancy therefore a potential humus for the soil! i can assure you of that treatment, get that now and stop day dreaming!
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son you are so wrong, it looks like you have no clue in who or what a Kenyan is, lock us up in camps? Is this fruit serious? we will forge everything we need to stay 'legally' in TZ, we will marry your women, son you are underestimating Kenyans, i swear you got us mixed up. Am sure you'll never enjoy living with me as your neighbor, but when sh*t hits the fan, the only option you'll have left will be picking up a machete and you know we aint cowards, there will be lots of blood shed.
 
Geza Ulole said:
Not so fast dude! in Tanzania, we will keep you in the refugees camps just like the Burundians and Rwandese! And if you will be patient enough to wait for 20 years then we will intergrate and assimilate your kids since they will have automatically acquired Tanzanian civilisation been born and grow up in TZ just like the 70,000 Burundians! whereas as for you, we will leave you at peace with the few remaining years of being alive cause we know the life expectancy therefore a potential humus for the soil! i can assure you of that treatment, get that now and stop day dreaming!
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We will colonize your poor country bwoy, and show you how those diamonds are put into proper use. And the Tanzanite of course.
 
RealDeal said:
We will colonize your poor country bwoy, and show you how those diamonds are put into proper use. And the Tanzanite of course.
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I head you live in the IDP's center within tht country and yet you yap here ati poor country bwoy!
 
Geza Ulole said:
I head you live in the IDP's center within tht country and yet you yap here ati poor country bwoy!
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did u say IDP center? never heard of that place in recent times. or you guys are still airing stale news in tz??
 
Smatta said:
son you are so wrong, it looks like you have no clue in who or what a Kenyan is, lock us up in camps? Is this fruit serious? we will forge everything we need to stay 'legally' in TZ, we will marry your women, son you are underestimating Kenyans, i swear you got us mixed up. Am sure you'll never enjoy living with me as your neighbor, but when sh*t hits the fan, the only option you'll have left will be picking up a machete and you know we aint cowards, there will be lots of blood shed.
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that will be too much for them.

saitoti will first unleash man onyacha on them, then release kamjesh on them and next we let the ruthless beast that is mungiki run around dar. and then will find out if they can handle the rest of the kenyans.
 
RealDeal said:
did u say IDP center? never heard of that place in recent times. or you guys are still airing stale news in tz??
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as i said you live in IDPs camps or centers or Kibera, otherwise you would have enough time to get connected and access the links below to see you have about 1 mio. IDPs. Keep paying njururu (lame dialect ofcoure) at that internet facility (cafe) of your fellow tribesman! cause you still live in Ujima era Kikuyu or kalenjin or Luhya can't cross a Luo or Kikuyu or kalenjin or Luhya area!
IDMC | Internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Kenya
http://www.with.jrs.net/files/ken-idp.pdf
 
Nyaralego said:
Paradox, No IT IS the Kenya bashing in here that gets Kenyans responding in the same spirit. It happens all the time and I always ask what Kenya bashing will achieve for any body, but only a few people respond. No debate in here can end without matusi and what not! As soon as Kenya is mentioned on the subject line or in the body of the post, forget it its like a fight club with no rules...it degenerates with TZ calling Kenyans names and Kenyans defending their Kenya by calling TZ names and then the moderator has to intervene by either deleting abusive language or blocking the topic all together.
Some people in this forum are instigators, but in real life are cowards.
We are all in the same boat...in EA we are trying to be self suffiecient, there are problems in all frontiers and none can boast to have a perfect solution. There is a measure of gloating when bad things happen in Kenya...however, this will most definitly spill into all neighbouring countries.
Examples, are the ever present somali problem in NE, Mungiki, PEV as some TZedians are fond of saying that we will chinja each other come 2012... the downside is that after we done chinjaring each other we will spill into TZ, UG, Rwanda etc...
So be careful what you all wish for! Most Kenyans before PEV when asked could have sworn that Kenya could not not have gone that route but we did and we were in your territory so keep on wishing and we will have another PEV and we will come to your "perfect TZ'" and we will continue to be the nyang'aus that you claim us to be, only now in your back yard and guess what you will not be able to do anything. We will introduce our bad Kenyan attitude to your "perfect TZ people" armed robbery, cult like gangs like mungiki, ukabila...unyang'ausness and the least goes on.

When we sympathised with Somali refugees, and let them in...see what happened they have hijacked Eastleigh, it is actually called "little Mogadishu"...I could go on...I bow out for now.
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What the bloody hell are you talking about?? When did Tanzanians wish for another one of your skirmishes?? If I didn't know better I would say you are wishing for it to happen, seriously dude do you enjoy killing each other for the most frivolous of reasons? (And I don't think the machete wielding killers are people like you who spend time talking about it on the internet so you most likely fit in the 'runaway from violence' category)
And honestly if you do spill into our country I don't personally think you guys will do much but be refugees, we will help you and all that jazz but I am sure we both hope it doesn't have to come to that.

If you think refugees are capable of taking over their host country then think again, my personal opinion is that the genocide refugees from Rwanda are more capable at being ruthless then you guys can ever be in this lifetime and yet we helped them in their time of need, today more then a decade after the genocide I don't see any Rwandans taking over our country or do you?

Lets not be foolish, who could wish for such a horrible thing to happen again anyway??
Like I said in my other post Kenya isn't that far above Tanzania, so I honestly don't see what the point of arguing is in the first place.
 
Geza Ulole said:
as i said you live in IDPs camps or centers or Kibera, otherwise you would have enough time to get connected and access the links below to see you have about 1 mio. IDPs. Keep paying njururu (lame dialect ofcoure) at that internet facility (cafe) of your fellow tribesman! cause you still live in Ujima era Kikuyu or kalenjin or Luhya can't cross a Luo land or Kikuyu or kalenjin or Luhya area!
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And which are those sijui lands and areas that you are enthusiastically mentioning? You just make me laugh my man.
 
Smatta said:
son you are so wrong, it looks like you have no clue in who or what a Kenyan is, lock us up in camps? Is this fruit serious? we will forge everything we need to stay 'legally' in TZ, we will marry your women, son you are underestimating Kenyans, i swear you got us mixed up. Am sure you'll never enjoy living with me as your neighbor, but when sh*t hits the fan, the only option you'll have left will be picking up a machete and you know we aint cowards, there will be lots of blood shed.
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Lol the beauty about being a refugee is that you won't even think of taking your credentials and other legal documents when you start running away from the violence, your life and your safety always comes first and foremost, trust me I have met plenty of Rwandans who are asylum seekers in Amsterdam, they have had to start again from square one as nobodies with nothing so please don't even humour the horrible idea of such a thing happening there.
 
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