Kenya: The Standard Gauge Railway Takes Shape

[Bavaria]

Congratulations Kenya for building a new railway network.

Word of caution:
There is no such thing as Free Lunch. Kenya has borrowed 90% of the $3.8 billion from China Exim Bank to finance this project.

Haven't you guys learned from Angola?

China has lent Angola around $20 billion since a 27-year civil war ended in 2002.

They are borrowing another $25 billion from China and Brazil to fund the budget gap in 2015 due to low crude oil prices.

Repayments are often paid with oil or funds go directly to Chinese construction firms that have built roads, hospitals, houses and railways across the southern African country.

This means, however, dollars don't end up entering the real economy, increasing costs for ordinary Angolans.

There are around 50 Chinese state companies and 400 private companies operating in Angola alone.

I honestly hope that Kenyans will be able to repay the Chinese without sacrificing their future.

Wishing you all the best.

source:Bloomberg.com, Reuters.com

The same applies to Tanzania with Bagamoyo port and the new SGR along central route.

 

[Bavaria]

If you would have read my comments carefully, you would have noticed that my concerns are not only about Kenya's ability to repay her Chinese debts but also about Africa's dependence on Chinese aid in general.

We can all learn from Angola's mistakes. We need to demand technology transfer just like in Indonesia, so that we can build our own trains and engines. We can also export the expertise to other nations. We can build our own local components and create much more jobs.

What you have now is one hundred percent Chinese-made trains and technology. Kenya will have to import everything from China to service the rail network.

If Kenya or in that matter, Tanzania defaults, both governments will have to repay China by awarding tenders to their companies to reduce their debts, at the expense of the local companies.

It has happened in Angola, and it could happen in East Africa as well.

Kwa walio na maono ya mbali, wataelewa hili.

 

[sam999]

People here comparing Kenya and Brazil and Greece to debt ratio and ability to pay make me wonder Bavaria I here you and Wat u mean by payability ya Kenya but get this agriculture in Kenya has the ability to give Kenya upto 72bn$ Kenya receives 1.4mn tourists but still has an ability to get to wea dubai a desert receiving nearly 120mn tourists a year Pia manufacturing fishing industry textile etc

I saw a report on cnn that staged that in Greece y have built too many buildings and pavements that
It's now considered illegal to set up another paved structure thus they had to shut down all cement factory that produces for Greece and generally for Europe cause every one has a house they just can't be able to put other structures - - Brazil is 2.8trn $ economy

On the other hand sub Sahara Africa is now 3trn $ that is 700mn people we have the power to spend
Thus lift up tourism, banking sector commodity market etc its just that our governments are investing in the wrong things that SGR project would have been

Put only in Malindi and kwale and the rest of the money used to set up irrigation in those two counties that wen combined are equal to Croatia in size

I now get ur argument but while I agree to some extent

Africa is trying too hard thinking big instead of starting small cause Malindi and kwale are just next to the

Ocean the largest desalination plant in Israel cost 2.2bn$ and it cleans the ocean water for human consumption


Instead of building SGR which is a long term investment

They would have built an irrigation system and made mombasa the value addition point for the two counties products

Oooh well SGR WILL IN THE END PAY OFF BUT NOW IT WILL REQUIRE EXTRA HARD WORK TO SEE THAT..... SO AM LUKEWARM WUTH UR STATEMENTS HAPA!!

 

[Bavaria]

People here comparing Kenya and Brazil and Greece to debt ratio and ability to pay make me wonder Bavaria I here you and Wat u mean by payability ya Kenya but get this agriculture in Kenya has the ability to give Kenya upto 72bn$ Kenya receives 1.4mn tourists but still has an ability to get to wea dubai a desert receiving nearly 120mn tourists a year Pia manufacturing fishing industry textile etc



I saw a report on cnn that staged that in Greece y have built too many buildings and pavements that

It's now considered illegal to set up another paved structure thus they had to shut down all cement factory that produces for Greece and generally for Europe cause every one has a house they just can't be able to put other structures - - Brazil is 2.8trn $ economy



On the other hand sub Sahara Africa is now 3trn $ that is 700mn people we have the power to spend

Thus lift up tourism, banking sector commodity market etc its just that our governments are investing in the wrong things that SGR project would have been



Put only in Malindi and kwale and the rest of the money used to set up irrigation in those two counties that wen combined are equal to Croatia in size



I now get ur argument but while I agree to some extent



Africa is trying too hard thinking big instead of starting small cause Malindi and kwale are just next to the



Ocean the largest desalination plant in Israel cost 2.2bn$ and it cleans the ocean water for human consumption





Instead of building SGR which is a long term investment



They would have built an irrigation system and made mombasa the value addition point for the two counties products



Oooh well SGR WILL IN THE END PAY OFF BUT NOW IT WILL REQUIRE EXTRA HARD WORK TO SEE THAT..... SO AM LUKEWARM WUTH UR STATEMENTS HAPA!!

What are you trying to say?

 

[sam999]

What are you trying to say?

U cnt say sgr is a loss its halfway win halfway loss

 

[Bavaria]

U cnt say sgr is a loss its halfway win halfway loss

Hakuna aliesema ni loss.
Rudia kusoma tena.

 

[msemakweli]

 

[Iconoclastes]

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Show me a country which is absolutely debt free.
Every country is incurring debts, both internal and external whilst while undertaking such massive infrastructural developments.

 

[MK254]

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Wewe binafi nenda kalipe deni lako maana nchi yenu imekopa sana hadi kufikia sasa kila Mtanzania anadaiwa 600,000 Tshs. Ni aibu sana eti unachekelea deni letu wakati nyie kwa sasa hivi mshauzwa kila mtu.

Kila Mtanzania bila kujali kama ni mtoto, mzee au mfanyakazi anadaiwa Sh. 600,000 miongoni mwa watu milioni 45 raia wote wa Tanzania.

Hali hiyo inatokana na kuongezeka kwa deni la Taifa kufikia Dola za Marekani bilioni 17.10 (Sh. trilioni 27.04 hadi kufikia Desemba mwaka jana.

Kwa mtumishi wa serikali anayelipwa kima cha chini cha Sh. 150,000 kwa mwezi atatakiwa kulipa deni kwa miezi minne mfululizo bila kubaki na chochote.

Deni hilo ni bajeti ya serikali ya mwaka mmoja na nusu kwa mujibu wa bajeti ya mwaka 2013/14 ya Sh. trilioni 17.7.

Kati fedha hizo, Dola bilioni 12.79 (Sh. trilioni 20.23) ni deni la nje na la ndani ni Sh. trilioni 6.81.

Hayo yalibainishwa na Waziri wa Fedha, Saada Mkuya Salum, jijini Dar es Salaam jana alipozungumza na waandishi wa habari kuelezea utekelezaji wa majukumu ya wizara hiyo.

Hata hivyo, alisema pamoja na kuongezeka kwa deni hilo, serikali itaendelea kukopa kwa sababu bado ina sifa za kukopa kwa kuwa kiwango cha deni ni asilimia 28 wakati ukomo wa kukopa ni asilimia 50.

Aliongeza kuwa itakopa fedha kwa masharti nafuu ambazo zitaelekezwa kwenye miradi ya maendeleo ya miundombinu ambayo aliitaja kuwa ni barabara, reli, bandari, mkongo wa Taifa, bomba la gesi, viwanja vya ndege Zanzibar na Songwe.

Waziri Mkuya alifafanua kuwa sababu za kuongezeka kwa deni ni mikopo iliyopokelewa na serikali ambayo muda wake wa kulipa haujafika kutoka vyanzo vya masharti nafuu na ya kibiashara na malimbikizo ya deni la nje kiasi cha dola za Marekani milioni 801.7 kwenye nchi zisizo wanachama wa jumuiya ya wahisani.

Aliongeza kuwa serikali itajadiliana na nchi hizo kuhusu msamaha wa kufutiwa deni hilo.

Alisema Serikali inatoa kipaumbele kwa miradi ya ubia kati ya serikali na sekta binafsi ili kuiwezesha kuchangia maendeleo ya uchumi na kuipunguzia serikali mzigo wa madeni.

Alisema Septemba mwaka jana serikali kwa kushirikiana na taasisi za kimataifa ilifanya thathmini kuangalia uhimilivu wa deni la taifa kwa kutumia vigezo vilivyowekwa na kutambuliwa kimataifa na kwamba ilionyesha deni ni himilivu kwa sababu viashiria vyote bado viko chini ya ukomo unaotakiwa.

MATUMIZI YA EFD
Akizungumzia matumizi ya mashine za kielektroniki EFD, alisema wataendelea kuyazitolea ufafanuzi na kuyasimamia vema kwa madhumuni ya kukusanya kodi kwa ufanisi zaidi ili kuongeza pato la taifa na kupunguza ukwepaji kodi.

Alisema serikali itaendelea kutoa elimu kupitia Mamlaka ya Mapato Tanzania (TRA) kwa wafanyabiashara kwa kuwa huo ndiyo msimamo wa serikali. Alifafanua kuwa serikali iliwapa uhuru wafanyabiashara wanaolalamikia mashine hizo kuunda kamati na kwenda kutembelea nchi za China na Bulgaria zinapotengenezwa na kuangalia uhalisia wa bei, lakini walikataa.

Kuhusu ukuaji wa uchumi, Mkuya alisema umekua kwa kiwango kikubwa na unaendelea kuimarika kwa wastani na kwamba pato la taifa lilikuwa kwa asilimia saba kwa kipindi cha miezi tisa ya mwanzo wa mwaka 2013.

MFUMUKO WA BEI
Kwa upande wa mfumuko wa bei, alisema umeendelea kushuka hadi asilimia 5.6 Desemba mwaka jana kulinganisha na asilimia 19.8 mwaka 2012. Alisema kupungua kwake kulitokana na sera thabiti za fedha na kibajeti pamoja na kuimarika kwa uzalishaji na usambazaji wa chakula.

Alisema matumizi ya fedha za kigeni katika mzunguko wa uchumi Mtanzania asilazimishwe kulipia bidhaa au huduma yoyote nchini kwa fedha hizo isipokuwa sehemu za utalii na ada za shule za kimataifa.

Alisisitiza kuwa serikali itaendelea kusimamia vyema suala hilo ikiwamo kuwachukulia hatua wanaokiuka utaratibu huo.

SARAFU MOJA EAC
Akizungumzia matumizi ya sarafu moja kwa nchi za Jumuiya ya Afrika Mashariki (EAC), Mkuya alisema wanaendelea na mchakato na watalipeleka bungeni kwa majadiliano zaidi kabla ya maamuzi.

Akizungumzia Bunge la Bajeti, alisema licha ya kufanyika kwa Bunge la Katiba, wanatarajiwa kuwa bajeti itawasilishwa, kupitishwa na kuanza kutumika Julai Mosi, mwaka huu, lakini alisema kama kutakuwapo na viashiria, serikali itatoa taarifa.

Alipoulizwa kuhusu baadhi ya wanasiasa wanaohoji uwezo na uzoefu wake wa kusimamia wizara hiyo, alijibu kwa kifupi kuwa hataki maswali hayo kwani ni historia na kwamba Rais Jakaya Kikwete amekwisha kumteua na anaendelea kuchapa kazi.

Kuhusu madai ya baadhi ya watumishi wa serikali na watoa huduma serikalini, alisema tatizo liko katika halmashauri kwa kuwa fedha zinatumwa na kuwa kinachofanyika ni uzembe. Hata hivyo, Mkuya aliahidi kwamba serikali itafuatilia.

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[msemakweli]

MK254 at least our government has never suffered a cash crunch. Iconoclastes having debt is usual, but even while borrowing you should know your limits. Remind me, which country has the highest debt to GDP ratio in EA? KENYA! Congrats guys, you lead in that too!

 

[sam999]

msemakweli ha ha ha ha funny how u laugh at Kenya for having debts while Tanzania has huger debts than Kenya nn mbaya na waTZ mko shugli za Kenya na mna 4times what we have as external debts

Rank
Country
External debt [2]
US dollars
Date
Per capita[3][4][5][6]
US dollars
% of GDP [7][8][9]
1
United States
18,540,448,667,000
20 June 2015
58,437
106
2
United Kingdom
9,590,995,000,000
31 March 2014
160,158
406
3
France
5,750,152,000,000
31 March 2014
86,317
222
4
Germany
5,546,869,000,000
31 March 2014
68,720
145
5
Luxembourg[note 1]
3,472,282,000,000
31 March 2014
3,696,467
3,443
6
China
3,000,000,000,000
31 December 2013 [10]
2,220.57
37.5
7
Japan
2,861,488,000,000
31 March 2014
24,000
60
8
Italy
2,651,413,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
43,621
124
9
Netherlands
2,526,895,000,000
31 March 2014
226,503
316
10
Spain
2,305,648,000,000
31 March 2014
52,045
167
11
Switzerland
1,610,897,000,000
31 March 2014
154,063
229
12
Australia
1,395,638,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
52,596
95
13
Canada
1,337,445,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
29,625
92
14
Belgium
1,286,918,000,000
31 March 2014
113,603
266
15
Hong Kong
1,231,233,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
105,420
334
16
Sweden
1,145,785,000,000
31 March 2014
91,487
187
17
Austria
820,010,000,000
31 March 2014
90,128
200
18
Norway
737,118,000,000
31 March 2014
131,220
141
19
Russian Federation
599,819,000,000
31 March 2014
3,634
23
20
Denmark
593,221,000,000
31 March 2014
101,084
180
21
Portugal
548,800,000,000
30 June 2011
47,835
223
22
India
455,900,000,000
31 September 2014 est.
364
22.795
23
Brazil
428,300,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,608
15
24
South Korea
425,353,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
7,567
37
25
Turkey
392,812,000,000
31 March 2015
5,240
49.4
26
Greece
360,000,000,000
30 June 2015
47,636
174[11]
27
Mexico
352,900,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,956
20 [12]
28
Sweden
326,000,000,000
20 January 2014
6,586
47
29
Indonesia
298,100,000,000
31 March 2015 est.
3,534
32.91
30
Ireland
263,967,288,631 [13]
30 September 2014
52,227
103
31
Malaysia
230,870,491,803
15 March 2015 [14]
7,829.11
63.7
32
Poland
211,457,000,000
May 2015
5,286
39.9
33
Hungary
202,000,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
14,821
115
34
Taiwan
171,559,000,000
31 March 2015 [15][16]
7,394.78
37.4
—
Puerto Rico
167,400,000,000
31 January 2015 est.
47,828
164
35
United Arab Emirates
163,800,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
24,273
41
36
Ukraine
142,000,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
2,995
81
37
Thailand
140,065,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
1,292
26
38
Finland
139,700,000,000
24 March 2015
25,627
94
39
South Africa
137,500,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,613
23
40
Qatar
137,000,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
41,988
55
41
Saudi Arabia
134,000,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
3,176
19
42
Romania
132,100,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
5,082
67
43
Argentina
115,700,000,000
31 December 2014 est.
5,867
38
44
Czech Republic
108,067,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
8,260
45
45
Cyprus
106,500,000,000
31 December 2011 est.
37,812
129
46
Venezuela
105,700,000,000 [17]
31 December 2012
1,906
19
47
Kazakhstan
105,500,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
6,060
68
48
Chile
102,100,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
5,867
38
49
Israel
99,750,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
12,070
33
50
Iceland[18][19]
93,377,000,000
2 Jun 2015
282,960
724
51
New Zealand
90,230,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
52,300
126
52
Colombia
85,140,000,000
31 July 2013 est.
1,269
20
53
Slovenia
71,700,000,000
31 December 2014
25,555
78.1 [20]
54
Slovakia
68,440,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
10,926
68
55
Vietnam
68,380,000,000
31 December 2013 est.
379
32
56
Nigeria
68,100,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
71
5
57
Croatia
67,100,000,000
22 January 2015 est.
13,519
78 [20]
58
Pakistan
67,000,000,000
21 May 2013 est.
366
30
59
Philippines
58,500,000,000
30 December 2013 est.
636
32
60
Peru
52,590,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,126
22
61
Iraq
50,268,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,641
64
62
Malta
48,790,000,000
30 June 2011
14,233
72
63
Egypt
48,760,000,000
31 December 2013 est.
391
14
64
Sudan
39,700,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
946
55
65
Bulgaria
37,915,000,000
31 December 2014 est.
6,261
70
66
Bangladesh
36,210,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
149
23
67
Lebanon
32,640,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
8,815
88
68
Serbia
32,600,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
4,178
80
69
Morocco
29,420,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
712
22
70
Kuwait
28,210,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
15,754
43
71
Bahrain
25,270,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
13,261
65
72
Tunisia
24,490,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,779
42
73
Sri Lanka
22,820,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
881
36
74
Cuba
22,360,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,780
34
75
Ecuador
20,030,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
995
25
76
Angola
19,650,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
944
21
77
Lithuania
17,282,000,000
7 July 2015
5,871
42.8
78
The Bahamas
16,680,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,067
6
79
Dominican Republic
16,580,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,162
25
80
Monaco
[note 2]
16,500,000,000
31 June 2010 est.
471,428
240
81
Guatemala
16,170,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,216
42
82
Jamaica
14,600,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
4,660
92
83
Panama
13,130,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
3,927
52
84
El Salvador
12,840,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,953
53
85
Costa Rica
12,040,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,874
24
86
Syria
11,640,000,000
31 December 2014 est.
5,100
57
87
Uruguay
11,610,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
3,989
33
88
Ghana
11,230,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
274
21
89
Tanzania
11,180,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
183
33

90
Uzbekistan
10,460,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
150
11
91
Latvia
10,380,000,000
7 July 2015
5,186
38.3
92
Ethiopia
9,956,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
51
14

93
Oman
9,768,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
2,962
16
94
Iran
9,452,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
170
4
95
Bosnia and Herzegovina
9,051,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
2,052
48
96
Georgia
8,688,742,000
31 December 2012
1,940
54.8
97
Jordan
8,345,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
903
20
98
Democratic Republic of the Congo
7,644,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
197
122
99
Republic of the Congo
7,644,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,722
155
100
Zimbabwe
6,975,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
609
103
101
Republic of Macedonia
6,740,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
2,668
60
102
Yemen
6,726,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
293
23
103
Armenia
6,435,000,000
31 December 2012
1,584
56
104
Paraguay
5,714,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
382
13
105
Bolivia
5,604,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
275
15
106
Laos
5,599,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
900
91
107
Burma
5,448,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
117
17
108
Zambia
5,445,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
264
22
109
Albania
5,281,000,000
31 December 2012
882
23
110
Libya
5,278,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
972
9
111
Nicaragua
5,228,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
693
62
112
Moldova
5,167,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,296
79
113
Cambodia
5,071,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
304
37
114
Honduras
4,884,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
465
23
115
Mozambique
4,880,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
231
50
116
Papua New Guinea
4,860,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
238
16
117
Trinidad and Tobago
4,780,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
3,502
21
118
Cote d'Ivoire
4,742,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
527
51
119
Barbados
4,490,000,000
2010 est.
2,456
22
120
Algeria
4,344,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
115
3
121
Namibia
4,204,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
1,131
20
122
Uganda
4,126,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
85
17
123
Senegal
4,117,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
296
30
124
Azerbaijan
4,042,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
8,513
6
125
Nepal
3,774,000,000
31 December 2011
161
35
126
Kyrgyzstan
3,666,000,000
31 December 2012
699
81
127
Kenya
3,624,000,000
31 March 2014 est.
200
25

128
Cameroon
3,343,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
164
15
129
North Korea
3,000,000,000
2012 est.
544
130
Mauritius
2,942,000,000
31 December 2012 est.
3,937
52
131
Somalia
2,942,000,000
31 December 2010 est.

 

[sam999]

WATZ hamko sirius sai mnajenga BAGAMOYO WHICH WILL make u the most indebted country in Africa per GDP ratio


Also u receive more aid than Kenya despite being peaceful and having no food problems yet pple still die of hunger in TZ


hebu mjione kwanza kabla ya kutuanzia

There is a difference between cash crunch and debt

Ukiwa na deni ya watu ya 1000 na una personal expenditure ya 800 alafu uamue kulipa ur debtors 500 ubaki na 300 means u r servicing ur debts but u still don't have enough money for ur self


Kenya this year has 7bn $ debt payable upto 2091 the longest debtor

Last year Kenya paid 1.2bn$ in debt tukarudi 2.2bn$ alafu we borrowed ya sgr and other small ones from AFDB n world bank ika turusha 7bn $ the government serviced its debt to maintain its credit rating but haikuwacha enough to use so the government is experiencing a cash crunch hyo ndio cash crunch un lay man tanzanian way

The government can still pay all its debt by 3 ways
1.heavy taxation
2. Use of foreign currency reserves now valued at 8bn$
3. By borrowing locally to service external debts


So tafadhali stop laughing at ur neighbours specks wen u have a log in ur eye diwmit tanzanian msemakweli


Tanzania has huge debts


In 2012 wen Kenya had only 3bn$ debt


Tanzania had 11bn$

Since 2012 Kenya has borrowed for SGR, MOMBASA PORT LAMU PORT GALANA IRRIGATION SCHEME GREENFIELD ALL THIS IS LESS THAN 7BN$


WHILE TANZANIA HAS SINGLE HANDEDLY SUPPARSED KENYA IN BORROWING BY ONE PROJECT BAGAMOYO PORT


WACHA HYO BAGAMOYO IFIKE HALFWAY KUJENGA MUONE HYO 20BN$ DEBT MTAILIOAJE
TANZANIA WILL GRIND TO A HALT.....

 

[sam999]

Foreign aid received in millions of US dollars
[6]
Country
2012
Afghanistan
6,725.0
Vietnam
4,115.7
Ethiopia
3,261.3
Turkey
3,033.1
Congo, Dem. Rep.
2,859.3
Tanzania
2,831.8
Côte d'Ivoire
2,635.6
Bangladesh
2,152.0
Mozambique
2,096.9
Kenya
2,001.6
Top 10 aid donor countries (2013)
Main article: List of governments by development aid
Official development assistance (in absolute terms) contributed by the top 10 DAC countries is as follows. European Union countries together gave $70.73 billion and EU Institutions gave a further $15.93 billion. [5][7]
European Union – $86.66 billion
1. United States – $31.55 billion
2. United Kingdom – $17.88 billion
3. Germany – $14.06 billion
4. Japan – $11.79 billion
5. France – $11.38 billion
6. Sweden – $5.83 billion
7. Norway – $5.58 billion
8. Netherlands – $5.44 billion
9. Canada – $4.91 billion
10. Australia – $4.85 billion

 

[sam999]

U need to be put to ur place just because in Kenya kuna inclusiveness that I see every one taking part in debt discussion and becoming critical of the government doesn't mean Tanzania hakuna shida we fought with our blood to see our freedom for expression that we enjoy today that is why we can talk that we have nearly 6-7bn$ debts



In Tanzania criticism to the police alone can land u in a tanzanian jail u have more debts than Kenya but ur busy covering Kenyan debt issue badala mujiangalie




We have our FREEDOM FOR FREE SPEECH HATA KAMA NI KU CRITISISE THE PRESIDENT WE FOUGHT HARD FOR THAT WE GEt TO SHOUT TO THE WHolE WORLD tHAT WE HAVE DEBTS

THAT IS NEARLY 6-7BN$ DEBT

BUT TANZANIA MNA 11BN$ DEBT NA SAI BAGAMOYO NI 100% CHINESE [10BN$]

PIA SGR YENU 6BN$ AMONG OTHERS BY 2030 MTAKUWA 30BN$ DEBT NA HAMTAONGEA BT SISI YETU

IT'S JUST 7BN$ BUT WE ARE SHOUTING U WUD THINK WE ARE AT WAR!!!!!



FREE SPEECH FOR KENYA IT IS AND I LOVE THAT

WE DONT HAVe TO MINE OUR BORDERS WITH TNT AND OTHER MINES TO KEEP SOMALIS OUT OF KENYA LIKE ETHIOPIA HAS DONE

WE HAVE LAWS THAT IS WHY KENYA IS WEA IT IS


THE GOOD AND THE BAD FREESPEECH ANY DAY!!!

 

[msemakweli]

sam999 did you really have to copy and paste the WHOLE table?
Anyways, what matters is the debt-to-GDP ratio, and 50% is the maximum allowed ratio for developing countries.
You people have already hit 50%, and I'm sure that was even before the SGR.
Tanzania's still at 40%.

 

[Quickly]

msemakweli honestly bro who said debt is a bad thing? i think the cartoonist and yourself are not very accurate on this. what do i mean? Incurring debt is GOOD as long as the return can be proven beyond reasonable doubt in which case the SGR might actually prove itself. read up on infrastructure investments. Debt has the effect of making people work harder to return the initial investment. It matters not if it is at the personal,corporate or government levels, its a matter of scale really. I think the word debt has been abused. How i miss the days gay meant happy.

sam999 weigh in with stats bro

 

[nyangau mkenya]

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the locomotives are being used by CRBC for construction works.
definitely not the passenger or cargo as speculated.


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[nyangau mkenya]

 

[Juakali1980]

Thank God these ugly boxes are for laying down the tracks..and future mantaince only....so far so good

 

[NairobiWalker]

Thank God these ugly boxes are for laying down the tracks..and future mantaince only....so far so good

Most likely the real trains will look the same. Heavy cargo trains all over the world are mostly ugly.