Kenya to export dairy products to Zambia

[Ab-Titchaz]

Jamani, mi naona this thread could have been interesting and a way for our coutnry Tanzania to analyze and see what our neighbours are doing but I am seeing a disturbing trend. Haya si mashindano au mechi ya mpira wa miguu, this is about the political and economic future of our country.
By trying to demean our neighbours, doesn't make us better. Kama mtanzania mimi nawa-admire sana jirani zetu na ninaamini just as we have a lot to learn from them, they have things to learn from us. Sasa tukifanya kama ligi hatutaendelea.
I find the Brookside Diary a very interesting topic, espcially with the Arusha dairy farm angle. It is time that we Tanzanians start looking closely what we are doing. We do not have favorable conditions to start factories and to engage manufacturing? Why is Tanzanian economy still largely based on trade (importing and then reselling), why are we so weak in manufacturing? Why is Nairobi the capital hub of East Africa? Why are all the multinationals building their factories in Kenya and then selling their products to Tanzania, Uganda and the region from Kenya? These are questions that we have to ask ourselves na si kusema eti Kenya kuna njaa. Let us be mature and focus on the issue at hand.

Susuviri,

Sema mkuu?I agree 100% na mawazo yako na yangekua bomba zaidi kama
ungeyaweka kule kwenye ile thread ya "urbanisation".

Meanwhile, my rebuttal on this thread was based on the irony carried therein.
Why would folks in Kenya sell these milk products instead of alleviating the
situation within their borders.Ndilo swali niliouliza kwanza.Jamaa aliyejibu naye
akakimbilia kusema eti sijui watu watachoka kulishwa diet milk kila siku.Sasa
unataka kuniambia mtu akiwa anakufaa kwa njaa atachagua msosi wake kweli?
Janga la njaa katika nchi jirani is a fact that cannot be escaped and we are
not celebrating it.We are sympathising with the common folk who are being
used by politicians as a stepping stone to "greatness" so to speak.

Meanwhile kuhusu Brookside, hebu pekua data ujue who are the owners of the
company.Tetesi ni kwamba inamilikiwa na familia ya Kenyatta ambao
wanafahamika kwa uwizi wao wa kuhodhi nyenzo zote za kiuchumi.I will not
really get excited about it maana washaiba Kenya na wamemaliza na sasa
wanakuja bongo.

The reason multi-nationals are building in Kenya ni kwa sababu ya established
infrastructure toka enzi za mkoloni. Lakini ukweli ni kwamba things are
changing na as Tanzanians tunaweza kuboresha nyenzo zetu na kujitangaza
ipasavyo.The difference is very minimal if you may ask me.Katika lile fujo la
mwaka juzi baada ya kura kuibiwa, most of those companies are eyeing Kenya
with caution maana ukabila ulizaa chuki ambayo kwamba mpaka hii leo
the water has not passed under the bridge.

Regards.

 

[Susuviri]

Ab-Titchaz, nimeangalia that thread ya urbanization naona it is more of the same.
What you said about the infrastructure in Kenya is a good basis to start with but there is more than that. Kwa sababu kila siku tunaimba kwamba we are catching up with Kenya, but despite the violence and all in Kenya, sijaona any movement in Tanzania since the violence and that is what pisses me off. Zile flower farms zilizofunga zimeenda Ethiopia siyo Tanzania. Sikubali kabisa kwamba tukae katika forums kuwasema majirani zetu wakati hakuna hatua serikali yetu inachukua kuboresha infrastructure na wananchi hatutakuwa tayari kuchapa kazi. Do you know what we are catching up with in Kenya - ufisadi! Now isn't that a shame?
Going to Brookside diary, nashukuru kwa information uliyonipa nitaicheki lakini for argument sake nikikubali kuwa ni ya familia ya Kenyatta mi bado nasema kama imesajiliwa kihalali na inalipa kodi basi ni kampuni halali na haijalishi ni ya nani. Inawapa wakenya ajira na inaongezea mapato serikali ya Kenya. Last time I checked Kenya haikuwa na ujamaa so ni sawa kwa kiongozi kumiliki biashara.
Kuhusu tribal violence ni kweli wenzetu wana ukabila and all that na sisi watanzania allegedly tuna amani na utulivu how come we are still lagging economically? Tusijidanganye na tujaribu kuangalia ishu zetu bila ushabiki.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Ab-Titchaz, nimeangalia that thread ya urbanization naona it is more of the same.
What you said about the infrastructure in Kenya is a good basis to start with but there is more than that. Kwa sababu kila siku tunaimba kwamba we are catching up with Kenya, but despite the violence and all in Kenya, sijaona any movement in Tanzania since the violence and that is what pisses me off. Zile flower farms zilizofunga zimeenda Ethiopia siyo Tanzania. Sikubali kabisa kwamba tukae katika forums kuwasema majirani zetu wakati hakuna hatua serikali yetu inachukua kuboresha infrastructure na wananchi hatutakuwa tayari kuchapa kazi. Do you know what we are catching up with in Kenya - ufisadi! Now isn't that a shame?
Going to Brookside diary, nashukuru kwa information uliyonipa nitaicheki lakini for argument sake nikikubali kuwa ni ya familia ya Kenyatta mi bado nasema kama imesajiliwa kihalali na inalipa kodi basi ni kampuni halali na haijalishi ni ya nani. Inawapa wakenya ajira na inaongezea mapato serikali ya Kenya. Last time I checked Kenya haikuwa na ujamaa so ni sawa kwa kiongozi kumiliki biashara.
Kuhusu tribal violence ni kweli wenzetu wana ukabila and all that na sisi watanzania allegedly tuna amani na utulivu how come we are still lagging economically? Tusijidanganye na tujaribu kuangalia ishu zetu bila ushabiki.

Well said mkuu Susuviri.

 

[Smatta]

Well said mkuu Susuviri.

I co sign with Susuviri.... Good morning Ab-T

 

[MzalendoHalisi]

We are coming up given so much potential of Tz in plenty of land, plenty of minerals and growing middle class!

We have many inherent advantages compared to Kenya!

 

[Mgombezi]

Nafikiri watanzania tubadilike sasa tunaposikia wenzetu wanapiga hatua za kimaendeleo ni vyema kutafuta kujifunza kutoka kwao, kuliko kuanza kuji - defend na kuwaona hao hawatendi vyema. Napendekeza watanzania tuwekeze zaidi katika kilimo na ufugaji na tuachane na biashara za umachinga (yaani kununua kiti na kukiuza) badala yake turejee kwenye uzalishaji wa mazao ya kilimo na mifugo. Tunapoongelea kilimo hebu tuwe na mtazamo wa kulima hekari nyingi sio heka moja, na tunapoongelea mifugo tuwe na mtazamo wa kuwa na mashamba yenye mifugo ya kutosha ili tizalishe kw kiwango cha juu.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

I co sign with Susuviri.... Good morning Ab-T

Morning to you too Smatta from wherever you are calling from.
Hapa kwangu bado usiku wa manane.

 

[HellFire20]

Susuviri,

Sema mkuu?I agree 100% na mawazo yako na yangekua bomba zaidi kama
ungeyaweka kule kwenye ile thread ya "urbanisation".

Meanwhile, my rebuttal on this thread was based on the irony carried therein.
Why would folks in Kenya sell these milk products instead of alleviating the
situation within their borders.Ndilo swali niliouliza kwanza.Jamaa aliyejibu naye
akakimbilia kusema eti sijui watu watachoka kulishwa diet milk kila siku.Sasa
unataka kuniambia mtu akiwa anakufaa kwa njaa atachagua msosi wake kweli?
Janga la njaa katika nchi jirani is a fact that cannot be escaped and we are
not celebrating it.We are sympathising with the common folk who are being
used by politicians as a stepping stone to "greatness" so to speak.

Meanwhile kuhusu Brookside, hebu pekua data ujue who are the owners of the
company.Tetesi ni kwamba inamilikiwa na familia ya Kenyatta ambao
wanafahamika kwa uwizi wao wa kuhodhi nyenzo zote za kiuchumi.I will not
really get excited about it maana washaiba Kenya na wamemaliza na sasa
wanakuja bongo.

The reason multi-nationals are building in Kenya ni kwa sababu ya established
infrastructure toka enzi za mkoloni. Lakini ukweli ni kwamba things are
changing na as Tanzanians tunaweza kuboresha nyenzo zetu na kujitangaza
ipasavyo.The difference is very minimal if you may ask me.Katika lile fujo la
mwaka juzi baada ya kura kuibiwa, most of those companies are eyeing Kenya
with caution maana ukabila ulizaa chuki ambayo kwamba mpaka hii leo
the water has not passed under the bridge.

Regards.

Why this political intonation all the time especially with Kenyan politicians.Is it some kind of a secret fetish you have that you feel you have to express? or you feel its the drama that keeps your adrenaline rushing up and down such that you cant live without it?

Any way enough with that,First of all you can keep the sympathies to your self i would go to Satan first to seek sympathies before coming to you.All this is double speak the highest level of insincerity and a display of utter disrespect.
Please..Ooh please stop making mountains out of mole hills if we are dying because of hunger its none of your business,those that will be left will continue to keep the fire burning.
On the issue of Brookside the the Last time i checked Kenyatta's were Kenyans right? and they are in Arusha doing what your kind have been unable to do ? Thanks to your comments at least i can see why you wont even make it? Again there is no single sector in Kenya that does what the Dairy sector does it helps the common man period!!!.

Most companies are eying Kenya with caution....Ooh yeah?.
Thats why General Electric,Google,Erickson,Zain,Coca-cola by the way i like their new offices at upper hill looks good you should see them,Cisco system Young and Rubicamm are moving their continental HQ's to Nairobi.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Why this political intonation all the time especially with Kenyan politicians.Is it some kind of a secret fetish you have that you feel you have to express? or you feel its the drama that keeps your adrenaline rushing up and down such that you cant live without it?

Any way enough with that,First of all you can keep the sympathies to your self i would go to Satan first to seek sympathies before coming to you.All this is double speak the highest level of insincerity and a display of utter disrespect.
Please..Ooh please stop making mountains out of mole hills if we are dying because of hunger its none of your business,those that will be left will continue to keep the fire burning.
On the issue of Brookside the the Last time i checked Kenyatta's were Kenyans right? and they are in Arusha doing what your kind have been unable to do ? Thanks to your comments at least i can see why you wont even make it? Again there is no single sector in Kenya that does what the Dairy sector does it helps the common man period!!!.

Most companies are eying Kenya with caution....Ooh yeah?.
Thats why General Electric,Google,Erickson,Zain,Coca-cola by the way i like their new offices at upper hill looks good you should see them,Cisco system Young and Rubicamm are moving their continental HQ's to Nairobi.

Tumezoea nguvu za soda!

 

[Janejo]

Ab-Titchaz, nimeangalia that thread ya urbanization naona it is more of the same.
What you said about the infrastructure in Kenya is a good basis to start with but there is more than that. Kwa sababu kila siku tunaimba kwamba we are catching up with Kenya, but despite the violence and all in Kenya, sijaona any movement in Tanzania since the violence and that is what pisses me off. Zile flower farms zilizofunga zimeenda Ethiopia siyo Tanzania. Sikubali kabisa kwamba tukae katika forums kuwasema majirani zetu wakati hakuna hatua serikali yetu inachukua kuboresha infrastructure na wananchi hatutakuwa tayari kuchapa kazi. Do you know what we are catching up with in Kenya - ufisadi! Now isn't that a shame?
Going to Brookside diary, nashukuru kwa information uliyonipa nitaicheki lakini for argument sake nikikubali kuwa ni ya familia ya Kenyatta mi bado nasema kama imesajiliwa kihalali na inalipa kodi basi ni kampuni halali na haijalishi ni ya nani. Inawapa wakenya ajira na inaongezea mapato serikali ya Kenya. Last time I checked Kenya haikuwa na ujamaa so ni sawa kwa kiongozi kumiliki biashara.
Kuhusu tribal violence ni kweli wenzetu wana ukabila and all that na sisi watanzania allegedly tuna amani na utulivu how come we are still lagging economically? Tusijidanganye na tujaribu kuangalia ishu zetu bila ushabiki.

Nakubali kuwa tuna matatizo yetu hapa Tanzania lakini sikubaliani na tabia ya kuwababaikia Wakenya hata pale wanapoanzisha threads za kiuchokozi. Mambo ya nini kifanyike hapa Tanzania tunayajadili kwenye forums za uchumi/biashara na siasa. Hii tabia ya kujifanya wapole eti tujadili issue wakati unashambuliwa ndio imewafanya Wakenya wawe na kiburi cha kudanganya kuwa mlima Kilimanjaro upo Kenya. Umeishawaona wao wakipost kasoro zao kwenye forum hii zaidi ya kujikweza? Kwani nchi yao haina matatizo?

 

[MzalendoHalisi]

Nakubali kuwa tuna matatizo yetu hapa Tanzania lakini sikubaliani na tabia ya kuwababaikia Wakenya hata pale wanapoanzisha threads za kiuchokozi. Mambo ya nini kifanyike hapa Tanzania tunayajadili kwenye forums za uchumi/biashara na siasa. Hii tabia ya kujifanya wapole eti tujadili issue wakati unashambuliwa ndio imewafanya Wakenya wawe na kiburi cha kudanganya kuwa mlima Kilimanjaro upo Kenya. Umeishawaona wao wakipost kasoro zao kwenye forum hii zaidi ya kujikweza? Kwani nchi yao haina matatizo?

Janejo,

Nimejaribu sana kuwasihi Wakenya Smatta, Mnairobi n.k over kuweka posts

za kujenga zaidi ujirani na upendo kati yetu..ila bado hawajapenda kuelewa!

95% ya posts ni kusifia Kenya tu! Halafu ni posts na response zina chuki always sijui kama may be in forums like Mashada wamezoea kujadiliana kwa chuki, ukabila n.k. Unajua Watz hatujazoea haya mambo!

If they have regional issues to discuss it will be fine but negative attitude towads Tz can not be accepted!

Some of us have lived in Kenya and we know Kenya so well!

Otherwise based on the kind of posts from them..there's nothing to learn!

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Janejo na Mzalendohalisi...nazidi kuwafagilia wakuu wenzangu.

 

[Shapu]

Some people bwana, mi sijui nisemeje...Arogant arogant kama sijui nini.
Mi nafungua thread nikitegemea mambo ya msingi mara naona mabishano mabishano.

The fact is Kama wewe ni Mkenya hapa, just chill out! Kama unafikiri maendeleo kwenu ni big big multinational companies sawa no problem. Some other tuna define maendeleo differently kama mimi maendeleo ni kuwa na PEACE, Basic needs and LEAVING HAPPY. Kama utakuwa na whatever whatever viwanda etc etc and then unakaa kama digi dig to me hayo si maendeleo.

So Guys realax...

 

[HellFire20]

Some people bwana, mi sijui nisemeje...Arogant arogant kama sijui nini.
Mi nafungua thread nikitegemea mambo ya msingi mara naona mabishano mabishano.

The fact is Kama wewe ni Mkenya hapa, just chill out! Kama unafikiri maendeleo kwenu ni big big multinational companies sawa no problem. Some other tuna define maendeleo differently kama mimi maendeleo ni kuwa na PEACE, Basic needs and LEAVING HAPPY. Kama utakuwa na whatever whatever viwanda etc etc and then unakaa kama digi dig to me hayo si maendeleo.

So Guys realax...

Now look... You pretend to advocate for sensible debating habits,dont you think you have started off on a wrong footing "Some people bwana, mi sijui nisemeje...Arogant arogant kama sijui nini." that statement is in bad taste.

Again if you go stir a hornets nest what do you expect?

I believe the person who posted this thread intended it to be full of polite debate,however the 1st person to respond started off badly based on some of his presumed warped up perception against some people so the cycle went on and on ...until you realized this isn't working anymore.

 

[Smatta]

Some people bwana, mi sijui nisemeje...Arogant arogant kama sijui nini.
Mi nafungua thread nikitegemea mambo ya msingi mara naona mabishano mabishano.

The fact is Kama wewe ni Mkenya hapa, just chill out! Kama unafikiri maendeleo kwenu ni big big multinational companies sawa no problem. Some other tuna define maendeleo differently kama mimi maendeleo ni kuwa na PEACE, Basic needs and LEAVING HAPPY. Kama utakuwa na whatever whatever viwanda etc etc and then unakaa kama digi dig to me hayo si maendeleo.

So Guys realax...

The first posts in a thread in a way dictates the flow of the thread. Negativity always begets more negativity, people should challenge arguments maturely, instead of playing the blame game(on three or four people's posts).

i cant chill out just because am from a different country, I will maturely challenge (or support)whatever you bring on the table. We are not in anyway trying to brag, facts must be stated and challenged if need be.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW YOUR DEFINITION OF ARROGANCE, DO ME THE HONOR PLEASE.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Now look... You pretend to advocate for sensible debating habits,dont you think you have started off on a wrong footing "Some people bwana, mi sijui nisemeje...Arogant arogant kama sijui nini." that statement is in bad taste.

Again if you go stir a hornets nest what do you expect?

I believe the person who posted this thread intended it to be full of polite debate,however the 1st person to respond started off badly based on some of his presumed warped up perception against some people so the cycle went on and on ...until you realized this isn't working anymore.

Hellfire20,

Kwanza kabisa I was the first person to respond to the thread and it
was not a 'presumed warped up perception'.Where was the badness in my
response when I questioned the validity of such a move?
Humu ndani ya hili jukwaa tunasistiza hoja zijibiwe kwa hoja na sio mtu ama hisia zako.

FACT: Kenya kuna njaa and people are dying from it.

FACT:Someone sold the grain reserves meant to feed hungry Kenyans

FACT: The Kenyan Govt Under Mwai Kibaki has its hands tied in this situation and they are begging for handouts.

It's really insensitive for someone to be exporting dairy products to another country for money minting purposes yet back at home the situation is horrid! Nd'o maana Mwalimu alisema nyie ni Man eat man Society.

Meanwhile I have nothing against Kenyans but its this regime that is
running things in Kenya that leaves a lot to be desired.

Habari nd'o hiyo!

 

[Smatta]

mWALIMU WHO? YOU ARE STILL QUOTING THAT SOCIALISTIC DUDE, the source of allllll your problems. LMFAO.... You are serious aint you?

the same dude told you not to travell abroad, vuka border kuna ulaya nyengine huko.... Tanzanians jazz me.

 

[MzalendoHalisi]

In Tz Mwalimu built us as a nation on the strong bases of utu, heshima, uhuru na usawa!

During elections Watz poa na amani kabisa! Taabu moja Taifa la Kenya imejengwa ktk misingi tofauti..elections tu ikikaribia utaona magari mengi ya Kenya- kule Arusha na Moshi na hata Dar.. yaani Wakiikimbia nchi yao wenyewe!

sasa huo utajiri maana yake nini?

sisi tumetulia tu hatuna neno ..tunapendana na kuheshimiana..This is the legacy of Mwalimu Nyerere!

 

[Mr II]

Maada hii na mjadala huu unatufunza nini wa TZ?. Sio kwamba TZ haina dairy products, kuna kiwanda kinatengeneza maziwa toka pale Tanga. Bado sijui wanauza wapi, na kwa nini wasiunje ya nchi!!. Kuna soko la kutosha tu katika nchi za SADC na EAC. Kama nakumbuka vizuri TZ ni nchi ya tatu kwa mifugo mingi katika AfriKa. Mifugo hii tunaitumiaje?. bado tunaufugaji wa kizamani na wafugaji wetu hawajawezeshwa na kuelimishwa namna ya kuachana na ufugajiwa wa kizamani wa kuhamahama. Nchi kama Botswana ina mifugo mingi kama TZ waliweka mikakati na kuwekeza katika viwanda na sasa wanaongoza kwa ku export beef kwenda EU. Viongozi TZ wanadhani kuwalaumu tu wafugaji itasaidia bila mikakati ya kuwasaidia.Kuondokana ufugaji wa kuhamahama, wafugaji wamegawiwa maeneo na mifugo kuwekewa uzio. Pia wameanzisha taasisi inayoshughurikia uuzaji wa mifugo. Kuna dalili zinazoonekana wazi kwamba TZ tutaweza achwa na nchi kama Ruanda na Burundi kwani wenzetu wanaonekana wapo makini na mambo yao sio siasa za kibongo. Lakini Wakenya wasiwatishe kitu, mimi nimeishi sana tuna najua maisha wa wananchi wengi, msidanywe na takwimu 'Looking at many indicators, majority and common people in TZ are better than in Kenya', but we need to work up!!.Hii inatoka na kwamba uchumi wa Kenya umeshikwana mabepari wachache hata ardhi kwa mtu maskini hakuna, wakati TZ hilo tatizo sio kubwa kiasi hicho. TZ kama itaboresha miundo mbinu ina uwezo wa kuvuti wawekezaji wengi na kuendelea haraka kuliko nchi yoyote katika EAC. Nadhani sababu zinaeleweka, kwa uchache ni kama vile kuwa na maliasili nyingi pia amani na utulivu, wakati jirani zake wote wanasemekana kuwa politically unstable na hawana raslimali nyingi hivyo. Hii ni opportunity ambayo watz tunatakiwa kuijua na kuitumia.

 

[Ben Saanane]

No..Its not food we are exporting its milk!!!
What do you mean healing therapy what is so special with that?
Which is this economy you keep saying is growing while its a known fact Tanzania as a country lives beyond its means.Your current national budget is donor funded 55% to be precise you are only able to make a mere 45%.
Your president is always making begging trips abroad.debts have been canceled but you somehow cant figure out things.how hard is that i bet even a nursery school kid can be able to balance the sums of living within means.

By the way we still rely on tourism and we will still do. what we cant do is to wait and see we preempt issues and and anticipate.

NB You must be a very unique breed of people who fly with colors instead of planes and wings like birds.I am having a hard time picturing a Tanzanian landing at JKIA with a Blue, or red or yellow...very funny.

You are wrong,our economy is not 55% funded by donors.Try to avoid guess work,from the coming financial year we'll rely on foreign donors for 20%.You just watch our steps.

Our president is not making a begging trips,his more on consolidating the diplomatic relations and attrating the foreign investors.Can you now talk something about your lame duck president? The president who can not show up in public unless he shows up for defending himself and talking about his marital affairs,the president who will just call the press comference to deny the allegations about him having another affair? Shame of Africa.Is this what he riggs the election for?

About fly with colours,i will suggest you to go back to school.

About Healing therapy,I know your problem,you are sick but you dont know if you are sick.


About Relying on Tourism,you are bragging for nothing because you dont know what you are talking.Relying on tourism with this sitiation,with credit crunch? That's why i told you, you are sick.

NB: I dont agree with kikwete on some policies, and ideologically we are different,but i wont allow some little ****** from outside to insult him.I/we will unite together against the common Enemy.Dont dare again to cross our lines! Bunch of HATERS,WE WILL DEFEAT YOU!