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Kwani hayo mapanga boi si tuliambiwa yatasafiri nchi nyingine za Afrika au ulikuwa ni uongo? Kwa hiyo kusubiri miaka mingine chungu nzima badala ya kuanza kubenefit indirectly!?
Sasa utarusha ungo?
...nani alikudanganya airline ni vyombo tu?? airline kama KQ imefanya kazi kwa miaka mingi sana....imejikakamua miaka nenda miaka rudi kufikia mahali ilipo leo hata kama inaendeshwa kwa hasara....vitu kama direct flights to USA, UK, China and Germany mnazo? ebu tuanzie hapo...mfano direct flights to New York sie tunazo na tulitaka kuwa nazo tangu 2010 ila hatukuwa tumefikisha status ya kupata hizo flights...imagine miaka saba tumekuwa tukitaka hizo flights ndio tunazipata leo...nyie mnafufua airline 2018, how do u expect to compete wth KQ, ET or SAA?Hehehe June this year tunaanza kushusha vyombo hapa lazima mtajuta kupakana na Tanzania.
Biashara ya ndege hatuiwezi bora ujenge viwanja makiniAnd how will ATCL reclaim the market share later? Giving me a sound reason how can that increase our revenues as a touristic country aspiring to be a hub? Mzee this thing is beyond ur scope let's stabilise our airline n airports n modernizing our airspace around the country first while positioning ourselves to tap the continuing surge of tourists flying to Tanzania. ATCL needs to grow to at least 20 aircraft before it join that thing.
Uliulizwa swali zuri sana mwanzoni, hukujibu unabaki kuzunguka, tafadhali jibu swali kwanini Kenya imekataa kuunganisha bomba la mafuta la East Afrika ili mafuta yote yapitie Uganda ili kufaidika na economy of scale?, kila nchi inaangalia maslahi yake first, Kenya ikijaribu kulinda maslahi yake kwako ni jambo la busara, ila Tanzania ikijaribu kulinda maslahi yake inakuwa kosa na kwamba inafanya kosa, mtaendelea kuisoma mwaka huu.In Kenya, the opening up of African air routes will add $76.9 million (Sh8.14 billion) to the country’s GDP. Huge $$ in our Government coffers.
It is expected to facilitate trade in services and free movement of goods, enhanced cross-border investment in the industry.
Taking into consideration the two benefits above IMO to stay away from this agreement is a big mistake.
Mbona hutaki kusema Tanzania kama nchi ambayo haina ndege kwasasa itafaidikaje katika huu mpango?, ni sawasawa na wafugaji kusema wanaungana ili kuruhusu mifugo yao iweze kuingia na kutafuta malisha katika mashamba yao bila vikwazo, ili kama nyasi zimeisha kwenye shamba la mmoja, basi wakalishe kwenye shamba la mtu mwengine ili kiwango cha maziwa yanayozalishwa na hao ng'ombe kisishuke, wewe ambaye huna ng'ombe hata mmoja unasherehekea kuungana nao, utapata wapi hayo maziwa?. Leo hii waambie wanyarwanda kwamba tunataka tuanzishe shirika la ndege la East Afrika, wakubali kuachia ndege zao ziwe za EA usikie watakavyokuja juu, acha kuimba wimbo usioujua.Please read the article very careful. Here are some indirect benefits from this agreement:
- The open skies treaty which was signed on Monday at the just concluded African Union Summit on governance in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia is set to make it easier for Africans to visit African countries without the hassle of long paperwork-laden visa applications or expensive, long-winding air travel and will inadvertently boost the continent’s economy.
There is no need to wait until ATCL has 20 Aircrafts (as you said) We can take advantage of this agreement indirectly instead of waiting few more years which can be 5, 10 or more years to reach that magic number of 20 aircrafts.
- According to the International Air Transport Association, an open air policy in Africa will add $1.3 billion (Sh136 billion) to the continent’s gross domestic product every year and create 150,000 additional jobs.
wacha ku-cram mambo, leta explanation how tutazipata bila ya kuwa na airline. Plse kuwa smarter than just reading what's written n gospel believing.Please read the article very careful. Here are some indirect benefits from this agreement:
- The open skies treaty which was signed on Monday at the just concluded African Union Summit on governance in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia is set to make it easier for Africans to visit African countries without the hassle of long paperwork-laden visa applications or expensive, long-winding air travel and will inadvertently boost the continent’s economy.
There is no need to wait until ATCL has 20 Aircrafts (as you said) We can take advantage of this agreement indirectly instead of waiting few more years which can be 5, 10 or more years to reach that magic number of 20 aircrafts.
- According to the International Air Transport Association, an open air policy in Africa will add $1.3 billion (Sh136 billion) to the continent’s gross domestic product every year and create 150,000 additional jobs.
Hehehe saivi ndio mnaona umuhimu wa mapangaboy ambayo mlikua mkiyatukana? Kumbe kuna mahali mnayahitaji?Kwani hayo mapanga boi si tuliambiwa yatasafiri nchi nyingine za Afrika au ulikuwa ni uongo? Kwa hiyo kusubiri miaka mingine chungu nzima badala ya kuanza kubenefit indirectly!?
believe me we will get those faster than u with our facial recognition facilities n most secured epassports, new terminal at JNIA modernization at Znz n Kilimanjaro airports n secured air space (6 radars in total being installed). Now ATCL is striving to get to IOSA certifications....nani alikudanganya airline ni vyombo tu?? airline kama KQ imefanya kazi kwa miaka mingi sana....imejikakamua miaka nenda miaka rudi kufikia mahali ilipo leo hata kama inaendeshwa kwa hasara....vitu kama direct flights to USA, UK, China and Germany mnazo? ebu tuanzie hapo...mfano direct flights to New York sie tunazo na tulitaka kuwa nazo tangu 2010 ila hatukuwa tumefikisha status ya kupata hizo flights...imagine miaka saba tumekuwa tukitaka hizo flights ndio tunazipata leo...nyie mnafufua airline 2018, how do u expect to compete wth KQ, ET or SAA?
Jamaa ni boya...mtupu kinoma kwenye uwelewa!That amount of cash you yelling about will be distributed to the countries with some aircrafts circulating in African countries according to research details, that is why it is associating with aviation industry, aviation industry means aircrafts.
So how could you benefit from that market without having the needed products and services? While one major service needed is offering undoubtedly flights across the joined countries? Will you operate without capable aircrafts to execute such routes just because you are African country where the project is going on?
Hapa ndio mnatakiwa mumuelewe MAGUFULI ana akili nyingi kuwazidi, hili suala MAGUFULI alishaliona ndio maana akanunua ndege lakini wenye mawazo finyu inside box thinkers mlikebehi na kumtukana matusi yote yanapokuja maswala kama haya ndio mnakumbuka namna gani mlivyokua mnafikiri ujinga.
truth be told Kenya would have an advantage if Uganda n Tanzania were to join with booming oil/gas industries plus tourism.actually it has nothing to do with rebellion...tanzania and uganda are correct to refuse....this is because these LDC countries have very little to gain from this development....countries with top airlines like Kenya, Ethiopia and SA are the ones that stand to gain the most..we all know tanzania planes are like mitungi ya chang'aa😀😀😀who will board those mitungis?😀😀 their airline is dead...mashirika makubwa tu ndio watapata manufaa tele
Uganda nowdays is looking and follow what Tanzania is doing, from EPA, banning of importation of used clothes, electric SGR, pipeline, and now this issue of airspace, if Tanzania says no, be sure Uganda will say no.truth be told Kenya would have an advantage if Uganda n Tanzania were to join with booming oil/gas industries plus tourism.
Support your argument with the the help of statistics.The word "take off" is kind out of place what I meant was with the way Africa is (fragmented) it will take at least 10yrs for fellow Africans to develop interest of visiting another African country. One of the reason is economics, another is trade between African countries is still very very low. So to us we still have time in our hand to join at anytime. If we where to join now, the least we could get is landing fee and odd tourist here and there. But 10yrs from now Africa will be in better position for her people to travel.
What statistics your looking for while the Internet has it all. Africa is still account to 1% of world air travel.Support your argument with the the help of statistics.
So we should sit down and wait till we attain 100%??What statistics your looking for while the Internet has it all. Africa is still account to 1% of world air travel.
African Air Travel Is Awful. Why?
I though you've been following the tread, my comment was an answer to a fellow Tanzanian who was questioning why Tanzania didn't join the bandwagon of African air alliance. Kenya doesn't have to sit put, your on alliance already, but for Tanzania we need time to build our capacity. Air travel in Africa is still growing even though at slow pace compare to other part of of the world.So we should sit down and wait till we attain 100%??
How are you planning to grow it if at all you've been making losses for the past three years??I though you've been following the tread, my comment was an answer to a fellow Tanzanian who was questioning why Tanzania didn't join the bandwagon of African air alliance. Kenya doesn't have to sit put, your on alliance already, but for Tanzania we need time to build our capacity. Air travel in Africa is still growing even though at slow pace compare to other part of of the world.
Haha, How did you come to that conclusion? where is the evidence?How are you planning to grow it if at all you've been making losses for the past three years??
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, IT'S ANTI PRODUCTIVE AT THE MOMENT.I assure u we will join when ATCL has enough fleet! Right now it does not make sense. Mind u even Kenya refused to join East Africa crude pipeline though they have negligible oil reserves. It's about serving self interest. Nothing of a sinister motive..
HAKIYAMUNGU NINGEKUPA 10 LIKES KAMA OPTION INGEKUWEKO.. DAH! WAJINGA WASIYO WAZALENDO WAKASAIDIA WATUBAKI KUIZUIA NDEGE YETU!!!That amount of cash you yelling about will be distributed to the countries with some aircrafts circulating in African countries according to research details, that is why it is associating with aviation industry, aviation industry means aircrafts.
So how could you benefit from that market without having the needed products and services? While one major service needed is offering undoubtedly flights across the joined countries? Will you operate without capable aircrafts to execute such routes just because you are African country where the project is going on?
Hapa ndio mnatakiwa mumuelewe MAGUFULI ana akili nyingi kuwazidi, hili suala MAGUFULI alishaliona ndio maana akanunua ndege lakini wenye mawazo finyu inside box thinkers mlikebehi na kumtukana matusi yote yanapokuja maswala kama haya ndio mnakumbuka namna gani mlivyokua mnafikiri ujinga.