Kenyan economy comes from ⅓ its land mass.

Kenyan economy comes from ⅓ its land mass.

Mwanzi1 said:
Fanya research kwanza kabla ya kusema mambo kama haya. Sio kweli kama Tanzania inatumia 100% of her land kiuchumi. Sana sana tutakuwa tunefika 40% ila kuna potential ya kuongeza matumizi ya ardhi Tanzania na kuongeza uchumi.
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But your potential is high I think ujamaa is the factor costing your economy
 
mwaswast said:
I was unable to read your nonsense, please elaborate on the same nonsense.
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Hahahaha thank you for your turn, you can write a tangible topic so that we can share,ignore my nonsense
 
COLLOH-MZII RELOADED said:
But your potential is high I think ujamaa is the factor costing your economy
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But the principal of ujamaa is equal wealth redistribution. Ujamaa ndio unasaidia to lift huge number of people out of poverty line "If is done correctly." China Vietnam Brazil are big Ujamaa countries, and they've done wonders in making people's lives better.
 
Mwanzi1 said:
But the principal of ujamaa is equal wealth redistribution. Ujamaa ndio unasaidia to lift huge number of people out of poverty line "If is done correctly." China Vietnam Brazil are big Ujamaa countries, and they've done wonders in making people's lives better.
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Unfortunately, there isn't a single one developed ujamaa country. Then you'll be stunned by how unequal your ujamaa champions are.

I believe you're familiar with the concept of gini index, it measures the level of inequality with a higher figure showing a more unequal society. The most capitalist nations are arguably the US and UK. So how unequal are they vs those of your Ujamaa brothers?

UK - 31.6
US - 41.1
China - 46.2
Brazil - 51.3
 
COLLOH-MZII RELOADED said:
Its true because the 2/3 Kenya is desert and contributes slightly to the economy... However with discoveries of oil and gas in wajir coal in kitui the situation is going to change
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Kwanza tujiulize hili dogo, mbuga na hifadhi za taifa ni sehemu ya ngapi ya Tz? Hapo tutajua ni sehemu ya ngapi ya Tz inatumika. Nilishawahi kusikia, hifadhi ya selous ni kubwa kuliko nchi ya Rwanda.
 
COLLOH-MZII RELOADED said:
Its true because the 2/3 Kenya is desert and contributes slightly to the economy... However with discoveries of oil and gas in wajir coal in kitui the situation is going to change
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Halafu hata la Kenya kuwa na jangwa nilikuwa silijui hili, nilijua ina nusu jangwa tu. Jangwa la Kenya ni la mchanga au mawe jamani mnijuze.
 
Livale said:
Unfortunately, there isn't a single one developed ujamaa country. Then you'll be stunned by how unequal your ujamaa champions are.

I believe you're familiar with the concept of gini index, it measures the level of inequality with a higher figure showing a more unequal society. The most capitalist nations are arguably the US and UK. So how unequal are they vs those of your Ujamaa brothers?

UK - 31.6
US - 41.1
China - 46.2
Brazil - 51.3
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The question to ask yourself is how many people where lifted out of poverty line in China and Brazil? compare that to US or UK .....and yes there is poverty in US and UK.

Brazil is a country of 200millin people, in the last 10year they lifted 50million people out of poverty line. These are the people they couldn't afford full meal a day or taking there children's to school or even having a running water or electricity.

China has 1.4 billion people, in last 30 years they've lifted 700 million people out of poverty. Most of those people are now living the urban areas with reliable transport system and secure homes. Some families their children have graduates and they have stable jobs.

speaking of inequality, your trying to compare the countries which they have well establish welfare system (US, UK) with the countries which are barely starting to create their own welfare system. BTW welfare is pillar of Ujamaa principals, is about compensating the people who are on lower income with the money obtained from taxing higher earners.

Countries like US, UK, France, Germany Sweden etc they all have elements of Ujamaa in the lives, from politics to health care to housing even to personal income. US Democrat Party the Obama and Clinton is a socialist party, UK Labor Party of Tony Blair is a socialist party. Francois Hollande ruled France until April 2017 with party known as Socialist Party. German Socialist Party has run Germany government and her economy many times before.

So your argument about Ujamaa increases inequality doesn't make sense to me, because is we where to take welfare (which it comes from Ujamaa) out the countries you mention above will have worse inequality you could ever image. On the second though, have you tried to check how Kenya and Tanzania rank on inequality index?
 
ArD67 said:
Kwanza tujiulize hili dogo, mbuga na hifadhi za taifa ni sehemu ya ngapi ya Tz? Hapo tutajua ni sehemu ya ngapi ya Tz inatumika. Nilishawahi kusikia, hifadhi ya selous ni kubwa kuliko nchi ya Rwanda.
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Mbuga uleta revenue ya tourism
 
Mwanzi1 said:
The question to ask yourself is how many people where lifted out of poverty line in China and Brazil? compare that to US or UK .....and yes there is poverty in US and UK.

Brazil is a country of 200millin people, in the last 10year they lifted 50million people out of poverty line. These are the people they couldn't afford full meal a day or taking there children's to school or even having a running water or electricity.

China has 1.4 billion people, in last 30 years they've lifted 700 million people out of poverty. Most of those people are now living the urban areas with reliable transport system and secure homes. Some families their children have graduates and they have stable jobs.

speaking of inequality, your trying to compare the countries which they have well establish welfare system (US, UK) with the countries which are barely starting to create their own welfare system. BTW welfare is pillar of Ujamaa principals, is about compensating the people who are on lower income with the money obtained from taxing higher earners.

Countries like US, UK, France, Germany Sweden etc they all have elements of Ujamaa in the lives, from politics to health care to housing even to personal income. US Democrat Party the Obama and Clinton is a socialist party, UK Labor Party of Tony Blair is a socialist party. Francois Hollande ruled France until April 2017 with party known as Socialist Party. German Socialist Party has run Germany government and her economy many times before.

So your argument about Ujamaa increases inequality doesn't make sense to me, because is we where to take welfare (which it comes from Ujamaa) out the countries you mention above will have worse inequality you could ever image. On the second though, have you tried to check how Kenya and Tanzania rank on inequality index?
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First, where have I said ujamaa increases inequality? stop misquoting me. I said ujamaa doesn't necessarily translate to the most equal societies (rather leads to more of shared poverty)

Social programs and communism (ujamaa) are as different as light and day. You should know that.

In communism, ownership and allocation of factors of production are all determined by the state, aimed at communal ownership. in capitalism on the other hand, allocation of factors of production are determined by the forces of demand and supply. with ownership of the said factors being in private hands

On the above perspectives, China and Brazil are currently open market economies with some little remnants of communism, but not communist economies. It is when they opened up that millions were lifted out of poverty with their gini reducing gradually as a result. Research on that.
 
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