Kenya's Oil to go through Hoima Tanga Pipeline

[Jay456watt]

Tuone nani ata-finance Lokichar-Lamu pipeline maana hata hiyo Bandari na the whole of LAPSSER mabenki wamekataa ndo maana inajengwa kwa phases na mwendo wa kinyonga. Mafuta yenyewe kiduchu na South Sudan wamewakataa kujiunga na bomba lao na wame-commit kwa Museveni. [emoji23] [emoji115]

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Lamu Port inaanza operations nxt year...there is already a refinery and access roads in Lamu...there is a police station and LAPSETT Headquarters building completed..there is a bill in parliament about oil exploration and a long road from Turkana oil fields to Lamu port....lol! huna hoja ww...everything is going on as planned...the next phase would be the pipeline...then resort cities to Ethiopia and S sudan...then railways to the two countries...ulitaka tujenge cities kwanza? ata ww unajua you must learn how to crawl first before u can walk

 

[LightYagami]

lol! nikama huwa analipwa kukuwa antikenya...😀😀

Yeah always anti Kenya. he was celebrating ati kutakuwa na vita Kenya

 

[nyangau mkenya]

Tumezoea hizi wimbo za wabongo
,tutajenga bomba, tutajenga reli ,tutajenga bagomoyo ,tutajenga viwanda ,tutajenga hii ,tutajenga ile, Tutawapita, mtaisoma namba etc ,,,,,,bla bla blah....tuta- imekua national anthem

Imaginary projects that only exist in papers and in their heads,

Sahii kenya tunasema tumejenga reli ,tumejenga flyovers ,tunajenga lamu, tunajenga konza city ,tunajenga tattu city,na tayari mnaisoma namba
Yani vitu zinaonekana on the ground sio hekaya za magazeti

 

[Geza Ulole]

Logic also dictates we go alone because if we go through the Uganda TZ pipeline, we will make less money from our oil resources...sasa tell me, which one is more logical?
a) a country with a coastline and a port using a landlocked country's pipeline? that's not logical at all...
b) a country builds its own pipeline since it already has a port and a refinery in order to derive the maximum benefit from its oil exports.

kumbuka, we will have to pay you tax to export our oil...why the hell shld we do that? Unlike UG which doesnt have a choice, we do have a choice...

U will actually make same money as consolidation of operation means less cost. And we are common market. Sit down n relax n see how things turns out! U r too small for this...

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[saadeque]

Nonsense.....

 

[Karne]

Same time Tanzania itengeneze Pesa
Tanzania ndio Moyo wa EA, Tanzania ni nchi pekee ya East Africa inayopakana na nchi zote za EA

Vipi South Sudan Tunapakana nayo wapi?

 

[Kituko]

wacha tufurahishe hawa mambumbumbu kidogo...hakuna vile nchi yenye port yake inaeza tumia port ya nchi nyingine esp when we have lapsett project, the largest infrastucture project in Africa depending on the pipeline.....Kenya will build its own pipeline eventually...wait and see...in the meantime, wacha hao wabongo wafurahie kidogo...

Nadhani unajinyanganya kwenye kitu kidogo sana,
Issue sio Kenya kutaka, bali Wawekezaji ndio wanaotaka, na wanafikia kwenye hayo maamuzi baada ya kufanya risks asssessment za kutosha kwa kuangalia potential risks zote, miongoni mwazo ni Security, Political stability, land issue (compensations) na mwisho kabisa Profit margin,
sasa kama Bomba lipo Tanzania, kwa nini waangaike kujenga lingine ambalo ni gharama kuliko kuunga kipande tu kwenye lililopo la Tanzania?

 

[Jay456watt]

U will actually make same money as consolidation of operation means less cost. And we are common market. Sit down n relax n see how things turns out! U r too small for this...

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too small? EAC's largest economy? you are the ones to learn from us not the other way around...

 

[Jay456watt]

Nadhani unajinyanganya kwenyenkitu kidogo sana,
Issue sio Kenya kutaka, bali Wawekezaji ndio wanaotaka, na wanafikia kwenye hayo maamuzi baada ya kufanya risks asssessment za kutosha kwa kuangalia potential risks zote, miongoni mwazo ni Security, Political stability, land issue (compensations) na mwisho kabisa Profit margin,
sasa kama Bomba lipo Tanzania, kwa nini waangaike kujenga lingine ambalo ni gharama kuliko kuunga kipande tu kwenye lililopo la Tanzania?

naelewa ni wawekezaji ila usifikiri Kenya has no say in it...Kenya has a lot of say in the pipeline project...it can decide to pay back Tullow for exploration and cancel agreements immediately..my friend, the oil is Kenya's...not Tullow's...by the way, without the government's approval, those investors would not have carried out any operations in our country...there is no way Kenya will agree to sharing pipeline...just wait and see how it goes...it will build its own pipeline..

 

[Kituko]

Vipi South Sudan Tunapakana nayo wapi?

Dah, nchi mpya wala haikuwa kwenye mind yangu,

 

[Jay456watt]

Kenya says it is unaware of any preference by Total for the Kenyan oil to be moved through the Uganda-Tanzania pipeline.

"We are yet to get any notification from our oil development partners on this suggestion over a preferred route, so I cannot give a response to that," Kenya's Petroleum Principal Secretary Andrew Kamau said.

 

[Kituko]

naelewa ni wawekezaji ila usifikiri Kenya has no say in it...Kenya has a lot of say in the pipeline project...it can decide to pay back Tullow for exploration and cancel agreements immediately..my friend, the oil is Kenya's...not Tullow's...by the way, without the government's approval, those investors would not have carried out any operations in our country...there is no way Kenya will agree to sharing pipeline...just wait and see how it goes...

Is not that easy bro, sio issue ya kusema tunawarudishia pesa zao na tunaendelea, hayo mafuta utamuuzia nani?, yaani mtu kataabika kufanya exploration, kasecure masoko, leo wewe uje uchukue kirahisi hivyo
1: kabla hujanyanganya miradi mikubwa kama hiyo inakupasa ujitoe kwenye organization za kilataifa zinazohusiana na biashara, mikataba, mahakama za kimataifa za kibiashara, nk
2: Na ukishajitoa tu kesho mtaamka hamna mwekezaji hata mmoja hapo Kenya

Biashara ya kimataifa ni ngumu sana ndugu yangu hasa haya mambo ya Gas, Mafuta na Madini, chukulia mfano ulio hai kabisa, Uganda na Kenya walishakuwa na mkakati na makubaliano ya pamoja kuwa Bomba hilo la mafuta la Uganda lipite Kenya na mpaka preliminary contract, route na partial feasibility study ilifanyika, lakini wenye Mali walisema tunataka njia ya TZ na kweli limekuwa hivyo

 

[Jay456watt]

Is not that easy bro, sio issue ya kusema tunawarudishia pesa zao na tunaendelea, hayo mafuta utamuuzia nani?, yaani mtu kataabika kufanya exploration, kasecure masoko, leo wewe uje uchukue kirahisi hivyo
1: kabla hujanyanganya miradi mikubwa kama hiyo inakupasa ujitoe kwenye organization za kilataifa zinazohusiana na biashara, mikataba, mahakama za kimataifa za kibiashara, nk
2: Na ukishajitoa tu kesho mtaamka hamna mwekezaji hata mmoja hapo Kenya

Biashara ya kimataifa ni ngumu sana ndugu yangu hasa haya mambo ya Gas, Mafuta na Madini, chukulia mfano ulio hai kabisa, Uganda na Kenya walishakuwa na mkakati na makubaliano ya pamoja kuwa Bomba hilo la mafuta la Uganda lipite Kenya na mpaka preliminary contract, route na partial feasibility study ilifanyika, lakini wenye Mali walisema tunataka njia ya TZ na kweli limekuwa hivyo

ok you have a point but can we stop our LAPSETT prohect just because Total says it wants to use another route? Remember LAPSETT depends on the pipeline...sasa pengine serikali ifanye mkataba na wawekezaji wafanye risk investment analysis kisha waje na conclusion...ila sioni serikali ya Kenya iki give up a whole LAPSETT project just for oil exports...ila wacha tusubiri tuone matukio mkuu...

 

[Kituko]

ok you have a point but can we stop our LAPSETT prohect just because Total says it wants to use another route? Remember LAPSETT depends on the pipeline...sasa pengine serikali ifanye mkataba na wawekezaji wafanye risk investment analysis kisha waje na conclusion...ila sioni serikali ya Kenya iki give up a whole LAPSETT project just for oil exports...ila wacha tusubiri tuone matukio mkuu...

Wewe ni Mkenya lakini nasikitika sana kukwambia kuwa huijui nguvu ya wafanya biashara wa Kenya, Kenya ni typical capitalist country, kuna watu wachache wako so powerful ndani ya Kenya na ndio wanaoidrive Kenya in a wrong way as far as ukewezaji as concerned
1: Hao Total wangeweza kulipitisha Bomba la mafuta la Uganda Kenya, Lakini huwezi amini issue ya land ilikuwa so sensitive, Landlords walikuwa wanajaribu hata kulipindisha bomba kwenye feasibility study, ili bomba lipite kwenye mashamba yao ili wawe part ya mradi na majority walikuwa hawataki kuuza land bali walikuwa wanataka parcent/share
2: Wafanyabiashara mpaka mawaziri wa Kenya walishafika mpaka Tanzania-Tanga na walikamatwa kule, walikuwa wako nize kuwaamasisha watu walipinge Bomba la Mafuta hapo Tanga ili lipite Kenya

3: Huo mradi wa LAPSETT ni mradi ulipo kwa manufaa ya Mabepari wachache wa Kenya kupitia Serikali ya Kenya, wameona opportunity wakaitumia na kuishinikiza Serikali kuuandaa hiyo project infact na kulob nchi za jirani, lakini hawakuangalia wawekezaji wanataka nini, hiyo LAPSETT ni White Elephant kaka,

 

[melchior]

Kwani serikali ina shares ngapi kwenye hiyo biashara? Sidhani kama ni major share holdera na ninaamini kuna mikataba mlisha ingia na investors regarding monetization of the of the oil hata kabla ya kufukiria kuyasafiriahia Lamu

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[game over]

Tumezoea hizi wimbo za wabongo
,tutajenga bomba, tutajenga reli ,tutajenga bagomoyo ,tutajenga viwanda ,tutajenga hii ,tutajenga ile, Tutawapita, mtaisoma namba etc ,,,,,,bla bla blah....tuta- imekua national anthem

Imaginary projects that only exist in papers and in their heads,

Sahii kenya tunasema tumejenga reli ,tumejenga flyovers ,tunajenga lamu, tunajenga konza city ,tunajenga tattu city,na tayari mnaisoma namba
Yani vitu zinaonekana on the ground sio hekaya za magazeti

Mzee umetoka usingizini ama?
I always wonder Many Kenyans like this one here are living in their own world. don't u see these projects are U/C??

 

[Iconoclastes]

It is just a wishful thinking. But ofcos this is a proposal that Kenya would not accept.

Why should Kenya incur all that cost passing its oil thru Uganda and Tanzania, and use the Tanzanian port when it has its own pipeline and sea- port closeby?

 

[saadeque]

Hawa total wapumbavu sana...hao ndio walituzaba makofi ya aibu waziwazi na kutupokonya bomba saa ii wanataka mafuta yetu pia watuamulie yatapitia njia gani,kisha njia yenyewe haiko kenya...pumba zao.heri yabaki humo ndani ya ardhi milele kama hayatepelekwa lamu na kutengeneza ajira kwa wakaazi wa turkana na lamu...Kenyans first hao wafaransa shida zao

 

[Kituko]

It is just a wishful thinking. But ofcos this is a proposal that Kenya would not accept.

Why should Kenya incur all that cost passing its oil thru Uganda and Tanzania, and use the Tanzanian port when it has its own pipeline and sea- port closeby?

Sio matter ya Kenya kukubali, wenye Mali ambao tunawaita Investors wanaangalia profit, Kama bomba la Tz-UG lipo tayari kwa nini wajenge lingine?, so watakachokifanya ni kutengeneza kipande kifupi cha kuja kuunganisha na kile kitakachokiwepo cha TZ

Kingine hiyo image uliyoweka ni ya kupotosha, Hakuna Bomba linalitoka Uganda kwenda Dar es Salaam bali kinaenda Tanga

Ndio biashara kaka, poleni sana

 

[Geza Ulole]

Vipi South Sudan Tunapakana nayo wapi?

Hatupakani nayo lakini proximity ya Juba na Hoima iinawafanya wajiunge na East Africa crude pipeline. Pia Kumbuka kama pipeline itapita Lamu will have to bypass Juba the situation the regime there is avoiding with route to Port Sudan as control of the resource become difficult.

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