Kutoka kofia ya barghashia ya Nyerere 1964 hadi msalaba wa William Lukuvi 2014

[Mohamed Said]

Kama ulivyofurahi wewe kwa hotuba ya William Lukuvi kanisani, au sio?

FaizaFoxy,
Alitaka habari za EAMWS.
Kapewa habari za EAMWS na zaidi.

Naona Fundi Mchundo yuko kimya kwangu
unae wewe.

 

[Nursalami Ng'oma]

Sheikh Mohammed said, huwa nijisikia furaha sana ninapokusoma ama kwa hakika elimu uliyosoma wewe haikuchakachuliwa kama hii tuliyosoma sisi na wengine wengi, ndio maana hakuna anayekupata kwa hoja zako zilizosimama. Kiatu chako hakuna kinachomtosha humu jukwaani ndio maana kila anayejaribu kutia mguu kinamvuka.

Sisi vijana tunakufuatilia sana ili tuwe warithi wa hii mijadala yako kwa watu wasiotaka kutambua ukweli. Ukweli lazima uzungumzwe hata kama mchungu kwa ajili ya kuliponya taifa hili.

 

[Ritz]

Huyu ndiye huyo Lauren Booth unayejivunia.
Lauren Booth 'stole my husband - and destroyed my home': Distraught wife accuses activist of betraying her new faith | Mail Online

Amemtosa mume wake baada ya kupata ajali. Ameingilia ndoa ya mtu aliyemkaribisha na kumnyang'anya mume. Kama hawa (Lauren na Samantha Lewthwaite) ndio converts mnaojivunia basi kweli dini yako ina matatizo.

Baada ya kuwasikia mnavyomwaga sumu humu, nimeanza kumuelewa Lukuvi na kuwa na sympathy nae kuwa angalau amesababisha mtoke chini ya mawe mlikokuwa mmejificha.

Amandla....
[h=1][/h])

Nakupa orodha kiduchu ya wazungu makini waliongia Uislam ukipata muda pita google utajua habari zao vizuri.

Unamfahamu Dr.Jeffrey Lang

Unamfahamu Bi Yvonne Ridley

Unamfahamu Murad Wilfried Hofmann

Unamfahamu Yusuf Estes

Unamfahamu Dr.Gary Miller

Unamfahamu Dr.Jerald F. Dirks

Unamfahmu Dr.Timothy J. Winter

Unamfahamu Bi Ingrid Mattson

Unamfahamu Suhaib Webb

Unafahamu Michael Wolfe

Unamfahamu Mussa Cerantonio

Unamfahamu Dr. Laurence Brown

Unamfahamu Bruno Metsu

Unamfahamu Alexander Litvinenko

Unamfahamu Anselm Tormeenda

Unamfahamu Dr.Arthur

Unamfahamu Dr. Rolf Freiherr Von.

Hawa ni wazungu wachache walioamua kuingia kwenye dini ya haki.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Sheikh Mohammed said, huwa nijisikia furaha sana ninapokusoma ama kwa hakika elimu uliyosoma wewe haikuchakachuliwa kama hii tuliyosoma sisi na wengine wengi, ndio maana hakuna anayekupata kwa hoja zako zilizosimama. Kiatu chako hakuna kinachomtosha humu jukwaani ndio maana kila anayejaribu kutia mguu kinamvuka.

Sisi vijana tunakufuatilia sana ili tuwe warithi wa hii mijadala yako kwa watu wasiotaka kutambua ukweli. Ukweli lazima uzungumzwe hata kama mchungu kwa ajili ya kuliponya taifa hili.

Nuru Salalmi Ng'oma,
Umenifariji pakubwa sana.

Ahsante ndugu yangu.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Nimemsoma posts zake zote anasema waislam wa ulaya ni wakimbizi kuna member moja humu kamwambia atamletea ushahidi.

Hajui alinenalo na nimemuwekea picha ya shemeji yake aliyekuwa waziri mkuu wa Uingereza na nimemuuliza huyo nae aliiomba visa ya Uingereza, au kwa maana nyingine huyo nae ni mkimbizi? Usisikie porojo zao. Wazungu wengi sana wanaingia kwenye Uislaam.

Na UK mpaka 2050 Waislaam watakuwa ndio majority, mimi nasema itakuwa kabla ya hapo, kwani waliofanya ile study, hawakuiona trend iliyopo sasa ya wengine kuoa na kuolewa na mbwa.

 

[Ritz]

Mag3,
Kwa kuwa umenitaja na kunihusisha na ''vijana wa mitaani,'' nawajibika kukujibu.

Angalia hapa chini kama hizo ni sifa za ''mitaani:''

PUBLICATIONS/RESEARCH PAPERS/ARTICLES

1. The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes 1924 1968 The Untold Story of the Muslim Struggle against British Colonialism in Tanganyika, Minerva Press London, 1998 translated into Kiswahili as Maisha na Nyakati za Abdulwahid Sykes 1924-1968 Historia Iliyofichwa Kuhusu Harakati za Waislam Dhidi ya Ukoloni wa Waingereza, Phoenix Publishers, Nairobi, 2002.
2. In Praise of Ancestors (1987) Africa Events (London)

3. Abdulwahid Sykes: Founder of Political Movement (1988) Africa Events (London)

4. Islam and Politics in Tanzania (1989) Al Haq International (Karachi)

5. The Plight of Tanzanian Muslim (1993) Change (Dar es Salaam)

6. Tanzania - The "Secular" Unsecular State (1995) Change (Dar es Salaam)

7. The Question of Muslim Stagnation in Education in Tanzania - A Muslim Riddle (Paper presented at the Conference of the Global World of the Swahili Intercultural Dialogue on the Indian Ocean Zanzibar, February 20 - 23, 2003)

8. Islamic Education and Intellectualism in Eastern Africa Themes from the Pulpit in Tanganyika (Tanzania Mainland) 1800  2000 (Paper presented at International Symposium on Islamic Civilisation in Eastern Africa Kampala, Uganda organised by the Islamic Conference Research Centre for Islamic History, Art and Culture (IRCICA), Istanbul and the Islamic University in Uganda, Mbale December 15[SUP]th[/SUP]  17[SUP]th[/SUP] 2003)

9. Sheikh Hassan bin Ameir - The Moving Spirit of Muslim Emancipation in Tanganyika (1950  1968) (Paper presented at Youth Camp Organised by Zanzibar University, World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) and Tanzania Muslim Students Association (TAMSA) 27[SUP]th[/SUP] February  4[SUP]th[/SUP] March 2004)

10. Islamic Movement and the Christian Lobby in Tanzania - the Experience of the late Prof. Kighoma Ali Malima (1938  1995) (Paper Presented to Tanzania Muslim Students Association (TAMSA) Sokoine University of Agriculture (SUA) Morogoro 11[SUP]th[/SUP] April 2004)

11. Terrorism in East Africa the Tanzanian Experience (Paper Presented at the Conference on Islam, Terrorism and African Development University of Ibadan, Nigeria 8[SUP]th[/SUP] - 10th February 2006)

12. The Torch on Kilimanjaro, Oxford University Press 2006, Nairobi (Childrens book)

13. Contributing author for an African anthology: The Mermaid of Msambweni and Other Stories, Oxford University Press 2007 Nairobi

14. Uchaguzi wa Busara, Abantu Publications 2008, Dar es Salaam

15. Al Marhum Sheikh Kassim bin Juma bin Khamis (1940  1994) and the Pork Riots of 1993. (Paper Presented at the Regional Conference on Islam in Eastern Africa: Islam Encounter with the Challenges of the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] Century (1[SUP]st[/SUP] - 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] August 2006), Kenyatta University Nairobi

16. Muslim Bible Scholars of Tanzania  The Legacy of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat (1918  2005) Paper Presented at the International Symposium on Islamic Civilisation in Southern Africa Organised by The Organisation of Islamic Conference Research Centre for Islamic History, Art and Culture (IRCICA) The National AWQAF Foundation of South Africa (AWQAF SA 1  3 September 2006) University of Johannesburg. The paper was also presented at Islamic Propagation Centre International Durban

17. Visiting Scholar University of Iowa, Iowa City and Northwestern University, Chicago USA and Zentrum Moderner Orient (ZMO), Berlin 2011

18. Tanzania: A Nation without Heroes Seminar Organised by IFRA French Institute for Research in Africa and BIEA British Institute in East Africa 23rd and 24th September at IFRA Nairobi

19. Mjumbe wa Baraza la Katiba la Wilaya ya Kinondoni, Dar es Salaam

OTHER COUNTRIES VISITED

Zambia, Ethiopia, Swaziland, Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Yemen, Uganda, Netherlands, Switzerland, France and Iran.

Sheikh Mohamed Said

Sina cha kuongeza zaidi ya Dua, Allah akujalie maisha marefu.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Fundi Mchundo,
Mimi hupenda kuandika jambo kwa makini na bila mzaha kwa kuwa siko hapa
kufanya mchezo.

Nakusihi unichukulie hivyo ili tuwe na mjadala wa manufaa utakaoelimisha na
labda Allah akipenda kuinusuru nchi yetu.

Katika kitabu changu, ''The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes (1924-1968)
The Untold Story of the Muslim Struggle against British Colonialism,'' bila hofu
nimezungumza mengi ambayo yalikuwa mwiko kusemwa.

La kwanza ni kuwa Nyerere hakuasisi TANU na muaisisi wa chama kile ikiwa
tutamchukua mtu mmoja katika lile kundi la ile kamati ya ndani basi aliye aula
zaidi ni Abdulwahid Kleist Sykes.

Hili lilizua kishindo kikubwa sana na bado vumbi lake halijatulia kote nipitapo hili
swali lazima litajitokeza.

La pili nililosema ni kuwa kumekuwa na njama ya kuivuruga historia ya uhuru
wa Tangayika.

La tatu na hii ni mwisho wa kitabu nilieleza kuwa Kanisa Katoliki na Nyerere
kutoka uhuru upatikane wamekuwa katika vita dhidi ya Uislam Tanzania na
hapa ndipo unapoingia mgogoro wa EAMWS.

Haya ni maneno mazito na ukiyasema kama nilivyoyasema mie lazima uwe na
ushahidi madhubuti.

Kitabu changu kimejaa ushahidi wa haya.
Kila aliyejaaliwa kukisoma kitabu hiki alibaki kinywa wazi.

Ndiyo maana hadi leo kutoka kitabu kichapwe mwaka 1997 hajatokea mtu
yoyote kukipinga kwa kuandika huo unaosemekana ni ''ukweli.''

Palikuwa na ugomvi kati yangu na mchapaji (publisher) nilianza kitabu kwa
kuanza na maneno haya:''Bismillah Rahmani Rahim,'' akaniuiza kwa nini nataka
kuanza ''an academic work with religious undertones?''

Mhariri wa kitabu hiki alikuwa Prof. mmoja mwanamke wa Kiingereza.

Nilimjibu nikamwambia haya ninayosema nataka Allah ndiye awe shahidi yangu
wasije watu wakasema kuwa mimi ni muongo.

Ushauri wake kwangu ulikuwa kitabu kimejitosheleza hapana haja ya kufanya
hivyo.

Mimi niliamini kuwa eyote amuaminiye Mungu akiona nimemtanguliza katika kauli
yangu atajua kuwa sifanyi mchezo nisemayo ni kweli na kweli tupu.

Sasa kisa cha Nyerere na EAMWS na Karume umtajae ni kisa nakijua vyema
sana.

Katika mkasa huo wa EAMWS Karume alifikia kumkufuru mola wake.

Karume yuko mbele ya Allah itoshe tu kuuombea dua Allah amsamehe madhambi
yake.

Ndiyo maana Nyerere kafa hakutaka anasibishwe na Abdu Sykes wala na mdogo
wake Ally katika kuuunda TANU pamoja na wazalendo wengine takriban sasa wote
wako mbele ya haki.

Katika mazingira kama haya ndiyo maana historia ya TANU haimtaji popote Sheikh
Hassan bin Amir wala Sheikh SuleimanTakadir...

Ndiyo maana hadi leo hakuna historia ya uhuru ukitoa kitabu changu ambacho
''publishers'' wote nchini walikiogopa nikaenda kukichapa Uingereza.

Prof. Issa Shivji, Prof. Saida Haroub Othman na Dk. Kamata walikuja kunihoji
kuhusu Nyerere kwa kuwa wao wanaandika maisha ya Mwalimu Nyerere.

Tulifanya session tatu na mazungumzo yetu yanakaribia dakika 180.

Mimi niliwashauri kuwa waende kwa Mama Maria Nyerere atawaeleza historia
ya TANU kama alivyoishuhudia kwa jicho lake kuanzia mwaka 1953.

Hiyo itajazilia mazungumzo yangu.

Nikawaambia kuwa kwa kuwa siku nyingi zimepita wanaweza kuamsha kumbukumbu
za Mama Maria kwa kumkumbusha mashoga zake wawili Bi Mwamvua bint Masha
(Mama Daisy) na Mwalimu Sakina bint Arab kwani mengi walifanya pamoja wakati
wa kudai uhuru.

Fundi Mchundo,
EAMWS haikupingwa na Muislam yoyote na ushahidi upo.

Wakati wa mgogoro ule mwaka 1968 hapo TANU New Stret Baraza la Wazee wa
TANU lililokuwa chini ya Mwenyekiti wake Mzee Iddi Tulio lilikuwa lishavunjwa na
Nyerere mwaka 1963 kwa kisingizio cha ''kuchanganya dini na siasa.''

Hawa ndiyo waliompeleka Nyerere Umoja wa Mataifa (UNO) mwaka 1955.

Hapakuwa na watu wa maana tena pale.

Yako mengi lakini haya niliokueleza nadhani yameshakupa picha unazungumzana
nani.

Napenda kumaliza kwa kukueleza kuwa jana nilitembelewa na mwanafunzi ambae
anafanya shahada ya uzamili na katika kukamilisha shahada yake anatakiwa aafanye
utafiti.

Alinihoji kuhusu Sheikh Hassan bin Amir.
Nilimwekea mhadhara mmoja niliotoa Zanzibar kuhusu Sheikh Hassan bin Amir.

Ghafla nimemuona kijana kajiinamia machozi yanamlengalenga.

Ahsante Al Alama Mohamed Said.

Nikubalie kuwa nnakupa "title" ya Al-Alama, kwa wale wataotaka kuijuwa maana yeke;

Al Alama, roughly ni Professor wa Ma-professor.

Alim = Mwenye ilm (elimu), Alama = anaefundisha wenye ilm, ukiiongozea na "Al" inakuwa ni "unique" amma kwa falsafa yake amma kwa hikma zake amma kwa aina yake.

Kwa haya uliyotufunza na unayoendelea kutufunza humu JF kwa muda sasa, na kwa vitabu na maandiko yako niliyowahi kuyasoma, sisiti kusema, Mohamed Said wewe ni Al Alama.

Darsa unalomwaga humu, ikiwa haueleweki basi kwa hakika ni kwa wale wasio na ilm.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Huyu ndiye huyo Lauren Booth unayejivunia.
Lauren Booth 'stole my husband - and destroyed my home': Distraught wife accuses activist of betraying her new faith | Mail Online

Amemtosa mume wake baada ya kupata ajali. Ameingilia ndoa ya mtu aliyemkaribisha na kumnyang'anya mume. Kama hawa (Lauren na Samantha Lewthwaite) ndio converts mnaojivunia basi kweli dini yako ina matatizo.

Baada ya kuwasikia mnavyomwaga sumu humu, nimeanza kumuelewa Lukuvi na kuwa na sympathy nae kuwa angalau amesababisha mtoke chini ya mawe mlikokuwa mmejificha.

Amandla....
)

Sasa unaanza viroja, nakuuliza huyo aliomba visa au alijiripua Uingereza?

Hayo ya watu maarufu kutanabahi na kuingia Uislaam na mkaanza kuwapaka matope, tumeyazowea wala hayatustui.

Na hawa Jee, walijiripua Uingereza;





Sasa jiulize, Padri tena Daktari wa Kanoni anaezini na kuzaa na mke wa mtu na kutelekeza mwanamke mwingine aliyezaa nae bila ndoa, huyo sijui unamuongeleaje?

Naona umepewa kisa kidogo na Al Alama Mohamed Said, vipi umeridhika au bado una maswali kuhusu Nyerere kujaribu kila hila kuuangamiza Uislaam Tanzania? (kashindwa) na hakuna ataeweza, si wewe, si Nyerere si Lukuvi, Hilo kumbuka. Si hapa tu, duniani unajionea wanaingia Uislaam makundi kwa makundi. Kama huyaoni basi wewe una macho lakini hayaoni, kama huyasikii basi wewe una masikio lakini hayasikii. Pole sana.

Vipi na wewe unamuunga mkono William Lukuvi kwa aliyoyaongea kanisani?

 

[Mohamed Said]

Ahsante Al Alama Mohamed Said.

Nikubalie kuwa nnakupa "title" ya Al-Alama, kwa wale wataotaka kuijuwa maana yeke;

Al Alama, roughly ni Professor wa Ma-professor.

Alim = Mwenye ilm (elimu), Alama = anaefundisha wenye ilm, ukiiongozea na "Al" inakuwa ni "unique" amma kwa falsafa yake amma kwa hikma zake amma kwa aina yake.

Kwa haya uliyotufunza na unayoendelea kutufunza humu JF kwa muda sasa, na kwa vitabu na maandiko yako niliyowahi kuyasoma, sisiti kusema, Mohamed Said wewe ni Al Alama.

Darsa unalomwaga humu, ikiwa haueleweki basi kwa hakika ni kwa wale wasio na ilm.

FaizaFoxy,
Thanks for your generosity...
Hata sijui niseme nini...

Sifa zote zinamstahikia Allah Subhana Wataala.

Mungu awalipe mema wazee wetu walotufunza adab na kwa walimu wetu
walitusomesha na kuzitia nyoyo zetu hofu ya dhulma.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Sheikh Mohamed SaidSina cha kuongeza zaidi ya Dua, Allah akujalie maisha marefu.

Ritz,Amin kwa sote.

 

[Fundi Mchundo]

Nakupa orodha kiduchu ya wazungu makini waliongia Uislam ukipata muda pita google utajua habari zao vizuri.

Unamfahamu Dr.Jeffrey Lang

Unamfahamu Bi Yvonne Ridley

Unamfahamu Murad Wilfried Hofmann

Unamfahamu Yusuf Estes

Unamfahamu Dr.Gary Miller

Unamfahamu Dr.Jerald F. Dirks

Unamfahmu Dr.Timothy J. Winter

Unamfahamu Bi Ingrid Mattson

Unamfahamu Suhaib Webb

Unafahamu Michael Wolfe

Unamfahamu Mussa Cerantonio

Unamfahamu Dr. Laurence Brown

Unamfahamu Bruno Metsu

Unamfahamu Alexander Litvinenko

Unamfahamu Anselm Tormeenda

Unamfahamu Dr.Arthur

Unamfahamu Dr. Rolf Freiherr Von.

Hawa ni wazungu wachache walioamua kuingia kwenye dini ya haki.

Na hawa ndiyo waliotoka kwenye uislamu:

1.Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain

2.

Sulaiman (who does not want to reveal his surname), a Kenyan-born 32-year-old software engineer living in East Northamptonshire, lost his faith six years ago. His family disowned him. "I knew they would have to shun me," he said. "They are a religious family from a [close] community in Leicester. If anyone [finds out] their son is not a Muslim, it looks bad for them." He added that people "find it strange" that he meets up with ex-Muslims, but he said it is important to know "there is a community out there who care about you and understand your issues".

Another former Muslim in her late twenties, who does not want to be named, said the "ex-Muslim" identity was particularly important to her. "Within Islam, leaving [the religion] is inconceivable. [The term] atheist doesn't capture my struggle," she said, adding that her family does not know the truth about how she feels.
Pakistani-born Sayed (not his real name), 51, who lives in Leeds, lost his faith decades ago. He left home at 23 and moved between bedsits to avoid family members who were looking for him. He told his family about his atheism only two years ago. "I was brought up a strict Muslim, but one day, I realised there was no God," he said. He told his mother and sister by letter that he was an atheist but they found it difficult to comprehend.
"Whenever I tell my sister or my mum that I am depressed, stressed or paranoid, they say it's because I don't pray or read the Koran enough," he said, adding that he will not go to his mother's funeral when she dies. "I won't be able to cope with the stress or the religious prayers. There's quite a lot of stigma around."
Iranian-born Maryam Namazie, 47, said that it does not have to be this way. Her religious parents supported her decision to leave their faith in her late teens. "After I left, they still used to whisper verses in my ear for safety, but then I asked them not to. There was no pressure involved and they never threatened me," she said. "If we want to belong to a political party, or religious group, we should be able to make such choices."
Zaheer Rayasat, 26, from London, has not yet told his parents that he is an atheist. Born into a traditional Pakistani family, he said he knew he didn't believe in God from the age of 15.

Yet, even in Britain, where the freedom to change faiths is recognised, there is a growing number of people who choose to define themselves by the religion they left behind. The Ex-Muslim Forum, a group of former Muslims, was set up seven years ago. Then, about 15 people were involved; now they have more than 3,000 members around the world. Membership has reportedly doubled in the past two years. Another affiliated group, the Ex-Muslims of North America, was launched last year.

3. Kuhusu hilo ungezeko kubwa la waislamu soma hapa. Asilimia 75 hadi 50 ya wale wanaoingia Uislam wanauacha ndani ya miaka miwili:

New Statesman | Confessions of an ex-Muslim

Nyie endeleeni kujidanganya wakati watu wanawakimbia kila kukicha.

Amandla......

 

[Fundi Mchundo]

FaizaFoxy,
Alitaka habari za EAMWS.
Kapewa habari za EAMWS na zaidi.

Naona Fundi Mchundo yuko kimya kwangu
unae wewe.

Post # 371.

Amandla......

 

[Fundi Mchundo]

Sasa unaanza viroja, nakuuliza huyo aliomba visa au alijiripua Uingereza?

Hayo ya watu maarufu kutanabahi na kuingia Uislaam na mkaanza kuwapaka matope, tumeyazowea wala hayatustui.

Na hawa Jee, walijiripua Uingereza;





Sasa jiulize, Padri tena Daktari wa Kanoni anaezini na kuzaa na mke wa mtu na kutelekeza mwanamke mwingine aliyezaa nae bila ndoa, huyo sijui unamuongeleaje?

Naona umepewa kisa kidogo na Al Alama Mohamed Said, vipi umeridhika au bado una maswali kuhusu Nyerere kujaribu kila hila kuuangamiza Uislaam Tanzania? (kashindwa) na hakuna ataeweza, si wewe, si Nyerere si Lukuvi, Hilo kumbuka. Si hapa tu, duniani unajionea wanaingia Uislaam makundi kwa makundi. Kama huyaoni basi wewe una macho lakini hayaoni, kama huyasikii basi wewe una masikio lakini hayasikii. Pole sana.

Vipi na wewe unamuunga mkono William Lukuvi kwa aliyoyaongea kanisani?

Unaeleta viroja ni wewe. Mimi nimesema "wengi wa" waislamu waliokuwa ulaya ni wakimbizi wa kiuchumi au wale waliokimbia maovu wanayofanyiwa na waislamu wenzao nchini kwao. Wazanzibari wengi wamekimbilia Denmark na Uingereza kwa misingi hiyo hiyo (njaa au dhulma). Kila kukicha utasoma kwenye mitandao tunatangaziwa kifu cha mtanzania ambae jina lake la kisomali ni fulani!

Kuweka picha ya mabinti wa kizungu si uthibitisho kuwa wazungu wengi wanatoka kwenye ukristu kukimbilia uislamu. Unaweza kuwadanganya waislamu wenzako ambao hawajui kuwa kuna wazungu waislamu wa asili (Albania, Bosnia ni mifano michache) kwa hiyo si ajabu baadhi yao kuvaa hijab.

Hilo la mbwa kuolewa nakuachia wewe maana hujui maana ya parody. Kwenye nchi ambazo kuna uhuru wa kuzungumza watu wana haki ya kufanyia mzaha kila kitu. Kuamini hii habari ni kama kuamini habari inayotoka kwenye The Onion.

Mzee wako nishamjibu. Si mara ya kwanza kumpinga na kumuonyesha uongo wake lakini kama adha anadhania akiurudia utageuka kuwa ukweli!

La Lukuvi nishakujibu.

Amandla.....

 

[Fundi Mchundo]

[h=1]Confessions of an ex-Muslim[/h][h=1]Over 100,000 people in Britain converted to Islam between 2001-2011, yet it is believed that up to 75 per cent may have since lost their faith. Who are they - and how do they feel about the way of life they embraced then quickly abandoned?



[/h]BY OMAR SHAHID PUBLISHED 17 MAY, 2013 - 10:33

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Prayers at the Baitul Futuh Mosque in Morden, London in 2011. Photograph: Getty Images.


Islam is often perceived as a religion antithetical to British, secular values. But between 2001-2011, more than 100,000 British people converted to Islam. This may come as a surprise, especially considering the virulent climate of Islamophobia supposedly pervading the country in the shadow of 9/11. Yet, while Muslims may rejoice at the news of many British people flocking to Islam, little is known about the large proportion of converts who later become apostates.
"Many converts leave the faith. We don't have exact statistics but some stats say 50 per cent will leave within a few years," says Usama Hasan, a part-time Imam and a senior researcher at the counter extremism think-tank, the Quilliam Foundation.
The internet, in particular, Twitter, provides ex-Muslims, often with pseudonymous accounts, a safe haven to challenge, criticise and mock Islam. The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain (CEMB), founded six years ago, was set up by a group of non-believers and acts as a community for those who have renounced their faith.
There are, of course, a multitude of reasons why someone might become an apostate after converting. Many British women convert when marrying a Muslim man, but, when the relationship ends, they sometimes leave the faith. (The same rarely happens in reverse, as the consensus of scholars believes a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim man is against the Sharia.) Some converts don't receive the community support upon entering the faith. While others can be referred to as "drifters": they experiment with different lifestyles. However, many ex-Muslims cite bad experiences with Muslims in their stories of how they came to renounce the faith.
Pepe, 39, is an ex-Muslim who was born in London but now lives in Canada with his Muslim wife and two children. He converted at 20, after discovering the religion through Sufism, the mystical dimension of Islam. He remained a fairly practising Muslim for 15 years but he often struggled with certain aspects of the faith, which he shrugged off as "satanic thoughts".

Ujumbe wangu wa mwisho.

Amandla.....

 

[McDonaldJr]

"Hivi sasa hisia za Uislam katika nchi yetu zinafukuta chini kwa chini na ndiyo maana tumekuwa na mauaji ya Mwembechai, Picha ya Ndege, na Kilindi na vijiji vya pembezoni mwake hivi karibuni na majuma mawili yalopita tu Waislam wamingiliwa msikitini (staili ya Mwembechai) na kupigwa na polisi. Kesi za masheikh zimekuwa maarufu Zanzibar na Tanganyika."

Ivi Lukuvi ni chama gani?
Ana wadhifa gani serikalini?
Wadhifa huo alipewa na nani?
Alikua anamuakilisha nani siku akitoa maneno hayo?
Mmetengeneza bomu la masaa nyinyi wenyewe leo limeanza kulipuka mnawalilia wakatoliki si mnataka serikali mbili na kale ka-ZNZ katabaki kama mkoa tu safi CCM kwa hili na hakuna hata kukemea maana Lukuvi kawawakilisha vema kama mlivomtuma.

 

[Ritz]

Ujumbe wangu wa mwisho.

Amandla.....

Kabla haujaondoka chukuwa hii bayana kiduchu...

Islam is the fastest growing religion in England and Wales, according to new census data. The number of people identifying with no religion nearly doubled over the last decade while the percentage of people who call themselves Christians has dropped to 59 percent, down from 72 percent 10 years ago, CNSNews.com reports.
The Muslim Council of Britain was pleased with the new data, saying Muslims were playing a "significant part in increasing diversity in Britain."
Of the roughly 56.07 million people counted in the census, 33.24 million described themselves as "Christian" while 2.7 million identified as Muslims, an increase from 3.0 percent to 4.8 percent over a 10-year period. Further, the 2.7 million Muslims in England and Wales make it the second largest religion there. The next largest religions are Hinduism (817,000), Sikhism (423,000), Buddhism (248,000) and Judaism (263,000).
Religious leaders attempted to explain away the trend. "Christianity is no longer a religion of culture, but a religion of decision and commitment," said a spokesman for the Catholic Church.
A spokesman for the Archbishop's Council of the Church of England said "one of the reasons may well be fewer people identifying as ‘Cultural Christians' i.e. those who have no active involvement with churches and who may previously have identified as Christian for cultural or historical reasons."
CNSNews.com has more background:

Other mainstream and fringe faiths (including pagan, pantheist, wiccan, satanist, druid, "Jedi Knight" and others) lagged far behind, but the number of people declaring themselves to have no religion jumped to 14.4 million, from 7.7 million a decade ago. This means a full one-quarter of people in England and Wales now identify as having no faith.
In the U.S., by contrast, a 2007 Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey found 16.1 percent of respondents identified as "unaffiliated" with any particular religion, while in the 2008 American Religious Identification Survey the figure was 14.9 percent. (The U.S. Census Bureau is prohibited by law from asking questions on faith affiliation on a mandatory basis.)
British secularist groups did not conceal their delight, reiterating predictions that Christians could be in the minority within five years.
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Andrew Copson, of the British Humanist Association (BHA), said the new census data proves governments need to realize that religion is growing "decreasingly relevant."
Additionally, Terry Sanderson of the National Secular Society said the data "should serve as a warning to the churches that their increasingly conservative attitudes are not playing well with the public at large."

Halafu soma na hii...

Islam is the fastest-growing religion in England and Wales, according to new census data that the British government says "describes the defining characteristics of the population, who we are, how we live and what we do."
The latest tranche of data from Britain's 2011 Census was released on December 11. The statistics are for England and Wales only; the census in Northern Ireland and Scotland is separate and the government will release those figures at a later date.
The census data shows that the number of Christians in England and Wales declined by 11% (4.1 million) during the past decade, from 37.3 million in 2001 to 33.2 million in 2011.
During the same period, the Muslim population in England and Wales increased by 80% (1.2 million), from 1.5 million in 2001 to 2.7 million in 2011, making it the second-largest religion in Britain.
The third-largest religion in England and Wales is Hinduism (817,000), followed by Sikhism (423,000), Buddhism (248,000) and Judaism (263,000).
As a proportion of the population as a whole (56.07 million people were counted in the census), the number of those describing themselves as Christian has dropped from 72% in 2001 to 59% in 2011. The number of Muslims has increased from 3% to 5% over a decade.
To be sure, some analysts believe the true number of Muslims in Britain may be much higher than indicated by the census data. This is because the religion question was the only voluntary question on the 2011 Census and 7.2% of people did not answer the question.
It is believed that many of those who completed the census data were reluctant to identify themselves as Muslims and that the true number of Muslims in the country is considerably higher than the 5% indicated by the census data.
The number of people who say they have no religious affiliation jumped by 83%, from 7.7 million in 2001 to 14.4 million in 2011. In proportional terms, this would imply that one-quarter of people in England and Wales now identify as being non-religious.
The census data corroborates information gleaned from other recent surveys. For example, the 2012 British Social Attitudes Survey found that only about half of Britons claim a religious affiliation, down sharply from 20 years ago, when two out of three did. Barely a quarter of young people identify themselves as religious.
If the increase in agnosticism and atheism in Britain is mostly generational, the surge in the number of Muslims is due to immigration and conversion.
The census data shows that during the past decade, England and Wales experienced their greatest-ever population growth (7.1%) in any 10-year period since 1800. Much of this increase is due to immigration.
In real terms, 13% (or 7.5 million) of the population of England and Wales was born abroad. Of that number, 3.8 million arrived between 2001 and 2011. In other words, most of the immigrants living in England and Wales today arrived within the past 10 years.
The census data shows that London is now the most multicultural region in Britain with the highest proportion of people identifying themselves as Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu and Jewish. The northeastern and northwestern parts of Britain have the highest proportion of Christians and Wales has the highest proportion of people reporting no religion.
Knowsley, a borough near Liverpool in northwest England, has the highest proportion of people reporting to be Christian, at 80.9%. Tower Hamlets, a borough in east London, has the highest proportion of Muslims, at 34.5% (nearly seven times the figure for England and Wales as a whole). Norwich, a city in eastern England, has the highest proportion of the population reporting no religion, at 42.5%.
The data shows that 13 of the 20 fastest-growing boroughs are those with high concentrations of Muslim residents, led by Tower Hamlets and Newham in east London. The 2011 Census shows that nearly 40% (or about one million) of the Muslims in England and Wales live in London.
Although immigration is the biggest factor in the rise of Islam in Britain, it is also true that hundreds of Britons are converting to Islam every month.
According to a recent survey conducted by an inter-faith group called Faith Matters, the number of British converts to Islam recently passed the 100,000 mark, and there are as many as 5,000 new conversions nationwide each year. Previous estimates had placed the total number of Muslim converts in Britain at between 14,000 and 25,000.
The survey revealed that nearly two thirds of the converts were women, more than 70% were white and the average age at conversion was just 27.
The survey, conducted by Kevin Brice from Swansea University in Wales, asked converts for their views on the negative aspects of British culture. They identified "alcohol and drunkenness," a "lack of morality and sexual permissiveness" and "unrestrained consumerism."
More than one in four acknowledged there was a "natural conflict" between being a devout Muslim and living in Britain. Nine out of ten women converts said their change of religion had led to them dressing more conservatively. More than half started wearing a head scarf and 5% had worn the burka.
Separately, government authorities recently revealed that an increasing number of inmates at British prisons are converting to Islam. For example, one-third of the inmates at one of Britain's most notorious youth jails are Muslims and the religion is attracting a large number of converts.
Prison insiders say most non-Muslims are locked up during Friday prayers because so many guards are needed to monitor the lunchtime service. As a consequence, many disillusioned youngsters are becoming attracted to Islam by the prospect of getting better food and superior treatment at the prison.
Most conversions to Islam are being triggered by a combination of increasing proselytizing activity by Muslims as well as by a growing disaffection with Christianity.
Some observers say the decline of traditional Christian churches in Britain, a trend that is being accompanied by the demise of Judeo-Christian moral codes in British society, is creating a spiritual vacuum that Islam is beginning to fill.
In any event, all indications are that a growing number of Britons who grew up in nominally Christian households are converting to Islam. This partially explains why the number of Muslims is increasing while the number of Christians is declining.
This trend can be expected to continue. In a study released in 2005, the British-based association Christian Research said that successive generations attend church less frequently than previous ones.
The study, English Church Census 2005, predicted that the number of Christians attending Sunday services in Britain will fall by two-thirds over the next three decades. The study also expected that poor attendance will force some 18,000 churches to close.
At the same time, all indications are that the Muslim population in Britain will continue to grow in the future. At the current rates of growth, the number of Muslims will double again by the time the next census is conducted in 2021, and will then make up 10% of the population.

Karibu tena....

 

[Ritz]

Unaeleta viroja ni wewe. Mimi nimesema "wengi wa" waislamu waliokuwa ulaya ni wakimbizi wa kiuchumi au wale waliokimbia maovu wanayofanyiwa na waislamu wenzao nchini kwao. Wazanzibari wengi wamekimbilia Denmark na Uingereza kwa misingi hiyo hiyo (njaa au dhulma). Kila kukicha utasoma kwenye mitandao tunatangaziwa kifu cha mtanzania ambae jina lake la kisomali ni fulani!

Kuweka picha ya mabinti wa kizungu si uthibitisho kuwa wazungu wengi wanatoka kwenye ukristu kukimbilia uislamu. Unaweza kuwadanganya waislamu wenzako ambao hawajui kuwa kuna wazungu waislamu wa asili (Albania, Bosnia ni mifano michache) kwa hiyo si ajabu baadhi yao kuvaa hijab.

Hilo la mbwa kuolewa nakuachia wewe maana hujui maana ya parody. Kwenye nchi ambazo kuna uhuru wa kuzungumza watu wana haki ya kufanyia mzaha kila kitu. Kuamini hii habari ni kama kuamini habari inayotoka kwenye The Onion.

Mzee wako nishamjibu. Si mara ya kwanza kumpinga na kumuonyesha uongo wake lakini kama adha anadhania akiurudia utageuka kuwa ukweli!

La Lukuvi nishakujibu.

Amandla.....

Sijui na hii biashara wanafanya wakimbizi wa Kiislam walioamia Ulaya na Marekani.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Unaeleta viroja ni wewe. Mimi nimesema "wengi wa" waislamu waliokuwa ulaya ni wakimbizi wa kiuchumi au wale waliokimbia maovu wanayofanyiwa na waislamu wenzao nchini kwao. Wazanzibari wengi wamekimbilia Denmark na Uingereza kwa misingi hiyo hiyo (njaa au dhulma). Kila kukicha utasoma kwenye mitandao tunatangaziwa kifu cha mtanzania ambae jina lake la kisomali ni fulani!

Kuweka picha ya mabinti wa kizungu si uthibitisho kuwa wazungu wengi wanatoka kwenye ukristu kukimbilia uislamu. Unaweza kuwadanganya waislamu wenzako ambao hawajui kuwa kuna wazungu waislamu wa asili (Albania, Bosnia ni mifano michache) kwa hiyo si ajabu baadhi yao kuvaa hijab.

Hilo la mbwa kuolewa nakuachia wewe maana hujui maana ya parody. Kwenye nchi ambazo kuna uhuru wa kuzungumza watu wana haki ya kufanyia mzaha kila kitu. Kuamini hii habari ni kama kuamini habari inayotoka kwenye The Onion.

Mzee wako nishamjibu. Si mara ya kwanza kumpinga na kumuonyesha uongo wake lakini kama adha anadhania akiurudia utageuka kuwa ukweli!

La Lukuvi nishakujibu.

Amandla.....

Fundi Mchundo,
Baada ya yale niliyokufunulia kiduchu ukawa kimya, bado unamini mimi ni wa
''mitaani'' na nasikizwa na watu wa mitaani?

Muda mchache uliopita kabla ya maghrib nilikuwa katika majadiliano kuhusu
muungano yaliyofanywa na VOA mwenyekiti akiwa Abdulshakur Aboud na
''panelists'' akiwamo Prof. Baregu na Hamza Rijal kutoka Zanzibar.

Bado unaniona mtu wa kijiweni?

 

[Mwana wa Nuru]

Kuvaa kofia na msalaba ni lugha tu hio...kiswahili ndugu yangu kina wenyewe kama hujui uliza

Lugha naifahamu tena Kiswahili bulbuli lakini uzi ni wa uchochezi uliotolewa na maamuma wa masuala ya dini na siasa safi kwa ustawi wa wote. Hatutaki machafuko wakati tayari nchi si salama kutokana na sera mbovu za chama tawala. tuamke sote, bila ya kujali dini zetu tupambane na sera zote zenye kuneemesha wachache na kuwaangamiza wengi.

 

[Ritz]

Na hawa ndiyo waliotoka kwenye uislamu:

1.Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain

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3. Kuhusu hilo ungezeko kubwa la waislamu soma hapa. Asilimia 75 hadi 50 ya wale wanaoingia Uislam wanauacha ndani ya miaka miwili:

New Statesman | Confessions of an ex-Muslim

Nyie endeleeni kujidanganya wakati watu wanawakimbia kila kukicha.

Amandla......

Naona umeamisha magoli, teh teh teh mada ya mwanzo umeachana nayo umekuja na mada mpya ambao nayo ni ndefu pia tukiendelea kuijadili, mwazo umesema Waislam wa Ulaya ni wageni nimekuwekea wazungu umebadili mada, basi chukuwa tena hii bayana kiduchu hapa chini.

Do you know what the fastest growing religion in America is? It isn't Christianity. According to the latest U.S. Religion Census that was just released on May 1, 2012, the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The data for the census was compiled by the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, and the results were released by the Association of Religion Data Archives. From the year 2000 to the year 2010, the census found that the number of Muslims living inside the United States increased by about 1 million to 2.6 million – a stunning increase of 66.7 percent. That is an astounding rate of growth. Meanwhile, most Christian denominations had rates of growth that were far below the overall rate of population growth in the United States, and some Christian denominations actually lost members. Sadly, when Barack Obama once said that "we are no longer a Christian nation" he wasn't too far off the mark. Christianity is rapidly losing influence and other religions such as Islam are rapidly gaining members and building new places of worship. As other major religions such as Islam continue to grow in the United States, it is inevitable that this will reshape America in many different ways in the years ahead. So what about other religious groups?
How did they fare according to the U.S. Religion Census?
Well, the following are some of the growth rates for major religious organizations from the year 2000 to the year 2010….
Mormons: +45.5%
Evangelical Protestants: +1.7% (far behind the overall rate of population growth)
Catholics: -5.0%
Mainline Protestants: -12.8% (an astounding decline)
But it was Islam that experienced the most explosive growth.
According to Ihsan Bagby, a professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Kentucky, there were about 1,200 mosques in America back in the year 2000.
According to this new census, there are now 2,106.
All over the United States we are seeing "mega-mosques" being constructed, and in many cases the funding is coming from overseas.
And these mega-mosques are not going unused. In some areas of the country, Islamic communities are experiencing absolutely explosive growth.
The following example comes from a recent USA Today article….

Imam Muhammad Musri, president of the Islamic Society of Central Florida, saw growth explode by a whopping 473 percent in and around Orlando's Orange County, according to the RCMS study, and he thinks the growth is actually double the 10,000 new Muslims reported by the study.
He said Muslim growth has been fueled by a wave of post-9/11 converts, American-born children of immigrants having kids of their own, and jobs in the booming medical industry. In central Florida, he said, Muslims are just following everyone else in search of "better weather, cheaper prices, cheaper homes."
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A lot of this growth is being fueled by immigration. A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center back in 2007 discovered that 39 percent of all adult Muslims living in America were immigrants that had arrived in the United States since 1990.
This rapid influx of Muslims is reshaping communities all over America. For example, Muslim students now account for approximately 10 percent of the total number of students in the New York City School District.
And all over the country many school districts are now changing their school calendars to observe Islamic holidays.
In fact, in Dearborn, Michigan football practices are actually scheduled around Ramadan. The following is from a Fox News article….

In Dearborn, Mich., where schools are closed on both the day before and the day of Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha, the predominantly-Muslim football team has switched its two-a-day summer practice schedule to 11 p.m. to 4 a.m. during Ramadan, so that Muslim players - who fast while the sun is up – won't be forced to practice in the heat without drinking water.
The move received little backlash in Dearborn, because most of the football players are Muslims.
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Dearborn is located just outside of Detroit, and it contains one of the densest Arab communities outside of the Middle East. Each day, the local mosque's call to prayer can be clearly heard all over the city. Dearborn is a clear example of why we can no longer call America a "Christian nation".
But Islam is not the only non-Christian religion that is growing rapidly in America.
The latest U.S. Religion Census found that non-Christian groups grew by 32 percent overall from the year 2000 to the year 2010.
Meanwhile, as I have written about previously, the decline of Christianity in America is accelerating.
Back in 1990, one survey found that 86 percent of all Americans identified themselves as "Christian" of one sort or another.
By 2008, only 76 percent of all Americans identified themselves as "Christian" of one sort or another.
Meanwhile, atheism and the "not religious" are experiencing huge gains in numbers. For example, the U.S. Census Bureau says that the number of Americans with "no religion" more than doubled between 1990 and 2008.
Even many of those that still apply the label of "Christian" to themselves are not very committed. The latest U.S. Religion Census found that approximately 150 million Americans are not actively engaged with any religious community at all. That is nearly half of the population.
So America is changing.
It is becoming less religious and it is becoming less Christian.
What is your opinion about all of this?
Please feel free to post a comment with your thoughts below….

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