Lost war in Somalia

Lost war in Somalia

I won't celebrate anything about people's killing but i might the root of this attacks is bcz kenya got soldiers in somali and alshabab warned them about that!!wali i warn Uganda pia ila baada ya kuona watu wanafariki saana ilibidi Museveni atoe jeshi lake ,,pia wali wahi ku warn Burundi ila Burundi ili stick kwa msimamo kutokna na jinsi Burundi iko mbali kidogo na somalia so isn't easy for them to attack na ukizingatia Burundi hamna wasomalia wengi kabsa,,jiulize kwanini J kikwete alikata kupeleka jeshi lake kule he knew dis but Kesnya they very closer with USA na Marekani wanafaidi sana Somalia kwa ile vita soo ndo mana Kenya haiwezi kutoa jeshi ,but anyway Poleni wa Kenya!

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Exactly, and I don't really understand why can't they withdraw their army from Somalia. If Somalis have their own problems let them deal with it internally. Get out of Somalia and that will be best for Kenyans
 
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On the contrary, it is because KDF is in Somalia that you are here yapping your mouth. When an attack happens, it makes big headlines, because they have become very rare.
8 years ago we had grenade attacks in Nairobi every other day.
Exaclty !!how can u come to ma house jxt wanna rule me as ur slave ?as a man have to figtht back for !!i can u kno nothig much about politics ,,wazungu washenzi saana!wame anzisha vita somali na ku sababisha wa somali wa angaike na kupewa picha ya watu wenye matatizo !!but inakurudi kwetu sisi !!ila it is wat it is na usitake kuniambia kwamba before alshabab use to attack Kenya and kill people than siku hizi !!

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Even Somalia which has suffered most under Al shabaab is incredibly stable since Kenya went in.
If you think KDF will leave Somalia and hope the still relatively weak government will handle things, then you have something else coming.
Al shabab can only be defeated at the source. And only a stable administration can achieve this.
What kind of measurement you used to determine the Somalian government is stable or you weakened alshabaab influence in Somalia?

How capable of your military and economic muscles do you have to take a wheel of both Kenya and Somalia control at the same time and achieve the best on both sides?

You have your own petty challenges from the grassroots wrestled you for decades like water, health, education and dozens, so from when you got six-pack of observing and strengthen the weak administration in the world? Are you on the same level with imperialists like US nowadays? Kiranja wa East Africa? You lost your mind my friends
 
Exactly, and I don't really understand why can't they withdraw their army from Somalia. If Somalis have their own problems let them deal with it internally. Get out of Somalia and that will be best for Kenyans
Kwa sasa ni late wawo kutoka kwa sabb hakuna anaetakaa kurudi somali inchi zina faidi kwa pesa but in otherway they loose also !!

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Al Shabaab is 95% defeated.
Last kicks of a dying horse.
Alshabaab can't be defeated by keyboard words, we have to notice their defeat in the living peaceful Kenya, you have lost more than 500 Kenyans so far and still your objectives in Somalia are not yet achieved, how much money KDF incurred in waging that war so far? Give me the total.
 
Exactly, and I don't really understand why can't they withdraw their army from Somalia. If Somalis have their own problems let them deal with it internally. Get out of Somalia and that will be best for Kenyans
Alshabaab walikuwa wanafanya mashambulizi Kenya hata kabla ya KDF kuingia Somalia. Akili za magaidi huwa wanazielewa wenyewe. Ndio maana nikikuuliza mbona magaidi walilipua bomu Tz '97 hutapata jibu. KDF kutoka Somalia bila kutimiza lengo lao la kuangamiza hawa magaidi sio hakikisho kwamba wataacha kuvuruga amani Kenya.
 
Alshabaab walikuwa wanafanya mashambulizi Kenya hata kabla ya KDF kuingia Somalia. Akili za magaidi huwa wanazielewa wenyewe. Ndio maana nikikuuliza mbona magaidi walilipua bomu Tz '97 hutapata jibu. KDF kutoka Somalia bila kutimiza lengo lao la kuangamiza hawa magaidi sio hakikisho kwamba wataacha kuvuruga amani Kenya.
Magaidi walilipua tz na Kenya that year to the US embassies, so the answer is they were after the US, simple tu, sasa ugomvi wa US na Magaidi nyinyi mmeufungia kibwebwe, kazi kwenu, uhondo wa ngoma uingie uicheze, I think now you understand how the sweet the melody is.
 
Very true....! For before Kenyan soldiers had entered Somali land, there were persistent abductions of Kenyans and tourists who used to visit Kenya by then.

Though the qtn remain whether the mission has been success or not or to what extent do the reasons for bring there has been accomplished!
But I believe that, if they hadn't crossed, the costs have had been greater than of today's.
If you had half a brain, you would be able to remember a time in Kenya, about 8 years ago, when Nairobi had a grenade attack every 3 days.
It is because of neutralizing Al Shabaab at their source that terror attacks are now rare and far between.
 
Alshabaab can't be defeated by keyboard words, we have to notice their defeat in the living peaceful Kenya, you have lost more than 500 Kenyans so far and still your objectives in Somalia are not yet achieved, how much money KDF incurred in waging that war so far? Give me the total.

Al shabab attacked Nairobi every week in the early days of the war.
Now, the attacks have gone down to once every 5 years.
If that's not defeat, I don't know what is.

And I've heard from credible voices that the number of Alshabab who have been killed so far is in the 30,000+ range. KDF and Amisom just don't publicize their figures.

Our objectives in Somalia was a more stable government. That objective is 99% complete.
Somalia cannot forever be the one exporting terrorism.

Once they have a stable administration, the economic benefits of Kenya exporting their products there will kick in.
 
What kind of measurement you used to determine the Somalian government is stable or you weakened alshabaab influence in Somalia?

How capable of your military and economic muscles do you have to take a wheel of both Kenya and Somalia control at the same time and achieve the best on both sides?

You have your own petty challenges from the grassroots wrestled you for decades like water, health, education and dozens, so from when you got six-pack of observing and strengthen the weak administration in the world? Are you on the same level with imperialists like US nowadays? Kiranja wa East Africa? You lost your mind my friends

Stability Measurements: Fewer attacks in Somalia, increased government revenue collection, booming economy, rebuilding infrastructure.. etc.

Our only source of external threat is Somalia. KDF needs to be where the threat is. When your neighbors house is on fire, you go extinguish it, not wait for it to get to your house.

We have many challenges as you have mentioned, and you should also have added national security to those challenges. Just because some Kenyans don't have water doesn't mean we stop securing our country.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Also, we will not stop until Somalia becomes stable and becomes a major trading partner of ours. With the dictator on our south, we need to look for new friends.
 
Wewe ni umbwa. Wakati tunaomboleza ndio unaleta hii ujinga yako hapa? **** off with your low i.q posts. Hizi ni posts za Kitoto .
matusi ndugu hayasaidii kumbuka hata mpumbavu akinyamaza huhesabiwa hekima,akifumba midomo yake huhesabiwa UFAHAMU
 
Exaclty !!how can u come to ma house jxt wanna rule me as ur slave ?as a man have to figtht back for !!i can u kno nothig much about politics ,,wazungu washenzi saana!wame anzisha vita somali na ku sababisha wa somali wa angaike na kupewa picha ya watu wenye matatizo !!but inakurudi kwetu sisi !!ila it is wat it is na usitake kuniambia kwamba before alshabab use to attack Kenya and kill people than siku hizi !!

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The Federal government of Somalia rules Somalia.
KDF hunts down the terrorists wherever they are, with full support and collaboration of the Somali government.
 
Jubilee trolls and deplorables. There are 4 stages of grief, Quicky move from anger to acceptance and save us your childish insults. Your choice for C in C is the root of your problems..
Ask yourself if you had your small business or farm that you own whether you can employ uhuru kenyatta (a person with drug and alcohol problems) in any post even as a sweeper
Those people who have died in terrorist attacks curse the Silly and incompetent CinC.. Most affected are KDF who die and get raped continously for hours yet they have no right to vote out their CinC.
Let us not forget that Jubilee killed musando and small innocent children to retain power
Drop your hypocracy! Huo ndio ukweli
We don't need you're advice.... to our eyes you're just a magufol dick sucking piece of sheet..

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MLIWAFATA WENYEWE NYUMBANI KWAO SO ENJOY THE RETURNED FAVOR.
 
Al shabab attacked Nairobi every week in the early days of the war.
Now, the attacks have gone down to once every 5 years.
If that's not defeat, I don't know what is.

And I've heard from credible voices that the number of Alshabab who have been killed so far is in the 30,000+ range. KDF and Amisom just don't publicize their figures.

Our objectives in Somalia was a more stable government. That objective is 99% complete.
Somalia cannot forever be the one exporting terrorism.

Once they have a stable administration, the economic benefits of Kenya exporting their products there will kick in.
You are talking like a feed up western gibberish, since September 11 was a CIA inside job, I don't buy cheap US Propaganda

Read here to know how you trapped by someone's mission if you want to unchain your mindset.

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THE ROLE OF THE U.S. IN THE SOMALIA CRISIS

The attack on the Westgate Mall is being portrayed by the corporate and capitalist government-controlled media in the U.S. and Europe as a new episode in the so-called “war on terrorism.” Yet the role of the White House through the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) goes without mention.

U.S. imperialism has been involved in attempts to influence the political situation in Somalia and the Horn of Africa for many decades. During the late 1970s, former Somali military leader Mohamed Siad Barre was courted by the Jimmy Carter administration and convinced that an invasion of Ethiopia, then in alliance with the Soviet Union and Cuba, would result in Washington’s economic and military support to the beleaguered state which had attempted to adopt a socialist-orientation in 1969.

The invasion of the Ogaden region of Ethiopia in 1978, where a large population of Somalis lived, proved to be a monumental disaster for Mogadishu. Cuban internationalist forces then in Ethiopia to assist the government of Mengistu Haile Mariam fought alongside the national army of Addis Ababa to defeat Barre’s forces.

This ill-advised military adventure plunged Somalia into a deeper economic and political crisis that lasted for well over a decade. By early 1991, the Barre regime had collapse leaving a vast security and political vacuum inside the country.

Later in December 1992, the administration of George H.W. Bush sent 12,000 marines into Somalia in what was called “Operation Restore Hope.” The intervention was sold to the people of the U.S. and the world as a “humanitarian mission” designed to address problems stemming from the drought and famine which had long plagued the country.

Nonetheless, by early 1993, Somalis had risen up against the intervention by the U.S., other western-imperialist states and United Nations forces occupying the nation. Dozens of Pentagon and UN troops lost their lives in a humiliating defeat that drove these military occupiers from Somalia in 1994.

Since that defeat in Somalia, the U.S. has never given up on controlling this region of Africa. With the overthrow of the socialist-oriented government of Mengistu of Ethiopia in 1991, Washington enhanced its influence through working with the federal government in Ethiopia headed by the late Prime Minister Meles Zenawi.

By 2006, the U.S. “war on terrorism” was well underway with occupations taking place simultaneously in Afghanistan, Iraq and Haiti. In order to avoid the political fallout of another direct intervention, the Bush II administration encouraged Ethiopia to invade Somalia in order to displace the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) which had begun to consolidate its influence and stabilize the country after years of war and factional strife.

The main problem the U.S. had with the Islamic Courts was that it was operating outside of Washington’s influence. After two years of the intervention by Ethiopia, Somalia was again facing famine with the worst humanitarian crisis in the world at that time.

Ethiopian military forces withdrew in early 2009 and sections of the Islamic Courts were won over to a Washington-backed Transitional Federal Government (TFG). A youth wing of the Islamic Courts arose known as Al-Shabaab (the youth) and began to wage war against the TFG demanding that all foreign forces be withdrawn from Somalia.

Beginning 2007, the African Union Mission to Somalia (AMISOM) was formed with the bulk of its forces coming from the U.S.-allied government of President Yoweri Museveni of Uganda. Fighting has continued in Somalia since that time, with periodic and direct intervention by the Pentagon and the CIA.

U.S. and British bombing operations have been carried out against alleged Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda bases in Somalia. The country is also a base of operations for the U.S. drone programs which extends from the Horn of Africa all the way to the Indian Ocean islands of Seychelles.

In addition, the CIA has a major field station in Mogadishu and has maintained detention facilities inside Somalia imprisoning purported suspects in the “war on terrorism.” The combined AMISOM forces now consisting of some 17,500 troops receives training and funding from Washington.

The Somalia operation of the U.S. is part and parcel of the United States Africa Command (AFRICOM) which was formally started in 2008 under Bush but has been strengthened and enhanced by the Obama administration.

Kenya’s intervention in southern Somalia in October 2011 had been planned for at least two years. The release of WikiLeaks cables in 2010 documented the plans and the role of the State Department.

In an article published by the Kenyan Daily Nation on December 17, 2010, it reports that “The cables also say the military action took years of planning and was not a spontaneous reaction to abductions conducted by the Islamist group on Kenyan soil as repeatedly stated by government officials. The abductions seemed to provide Kenya with a convenient excuse to launch the plan, which, officials argued, was necessary to ensure protection against threats posed by an unstable neighbour.”

This secret plan, dubbed “Jubaland Initiative,” outlined the creation of an artificial state in southern Somalia in an effort to choke off Al-Shabaab from the border areas near Kenya. At a meeting in Ethiopia in January 2010, the Kenyan delegation led by the-then Foreign Affairs Minister Moses Wetang’ula appealed for U.S. support in the operation.

In addition to U.S. involvement in Somalia and Kenya, the state of Israel also has close ties with the government in Nairobi. Israeli economic interests are much in evidence in Kenya, where tourist hotels and other businesses such as the Westgate Shopping Mall, are owned by capitalists who are citizens of the Zionist state.

Developments in Kenya and throughout the entire region of East Africa must be viewed within the context of U.S. economic and strategic interests in partnership with its NATO allies and the state of Israel. In recent years new findings of oil and natural gas all along the coast of East Africa are of course a source of imperialist interests in the region.

At the same time flotillas of U.S. and European Union warships have been occupying the Gulf of Aden off the coast of Somalia for several years under the guise of fighting piracy. Underlying this occupation of the Gulf of Aden is the vast economic resources that are transported through this waterway which is one of the most lucrative in the world.

The current government of President Uhuru Kenyatta in Nairobi was not the favoured choice of the Obama administration during the elections in March. Washington supported former Prime Minister Odinga in the race and had issued veiled threats against Kenya if it did not vote the way the U.S. wanted.

Both President Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto are under indictment by the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague for crimes against humanity they allegedly perpetrated in 2007/8 post-election violence in which at least 1,300 people died and over 600,000 others were maimed and displaced. Ruto requested and was granted an adjournment of his trial that was taking place at the time of the Westgate mall attack pending the outcome of the standoff.

Kenyatta and Ruto are accused of human rights violations during the course of a violent dispute over the results of the previous elections held in late 2007. Their prosecution by the ICC has been rejected by the Kenyan government as well as nearly all the 55-member nations of the African Union.

The ICC has been severely criticized by the African Union due to its exclusive pre-occupation with prosecuting continental leaders. Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir is also under indictment by the ICC and was denied a visa by the State Department to attend last week’s UN General Assembly in New York even though Washington is not a signatory to the Rome Statue that created the ICC.
 
Magaidi walilipua tz na Kenya that year to the US embassies, so the answer is they were after the US, simple tu, sasa ugomvi wa US na Magaidi nyinyi mmeufungia kibwebwe, kazi kwenu, uhondo wa ngoma uingie uicheze, I think now you understand how the sweet the melody is.
Sio lazima uninukuu ndio utupie pumba zako. Comment yangu ambayo hujaielewa hata kidogo ilikuwa ni jibu kwa comment ya mtu mwingine, acha kiherehere.
 
Kenyans need to come to terms with this reality. The war with somalia is lost, uhuru kenyatta's soldiers are engaged in charcoal selling and mercury sugar importation. They have zero discipline, they forgot their mission in somali.
Hundreds of KDF have died in very silly situations, such as being ambused while sleeping..Which begs the Question..If KDF maintains such basic things as a night watch duty roaster..There is even some news that at one incident, alshabaab held soldiers captive for many hours and enjoyed themselves sexualy then left.
At times like these, the overwhelmed army should look up to their commander in chief for leadership. Unfortunately the CinC is the embodiment of corruption and incompetence..Analysts have pointed out that corruption in immigration and police is the biggest friend of terrorists.
Kenyans Just need to first sortout own internal shit before setting foot in other country's soil
There is no one to lookup to except yourselves, uhuru is a bhang smoking daily drunk who's mother could not allow him to do even clerical work at brookside dairy.
man, that hate towards Uhuru is appalling and horrid...........!!!
 
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