Bado hujaelewa.But how is parliamentary immunity inconsistent with the constitution? This is an old tradition in Commonwealth countries and Westminster parliaments.
Halafu hata ukivunja parliamentary immunity leo, just to entertain you and rais an immanent critique, how are you applying that retroactively? That is against most logical jurisprudence. Yiu will habe yo apply that going forward and let this incident go.
Unataka kuanzisha sheria inayosema kuvaa mashati ya kijani ni kosa la jinai leo halafu uende kwenye picha kukamata watu wote waliovaa mashati ya kijani kw amwaka mzima uliopita?
How absurd!
It looks like you guys are trying to inbent all kinds of scenarios just to nab the Speaker, against all kinds of principles of law.
You started by trying to break separation of powers.
And now you want to strike laws off the book and invoke that void retroactively?
As I told you earlier on, in Law to every general rule there’s an exception.But how is parliamentary immunity inconsistent with the constitution? This is an old tradition in Commonwealth countries and Westminster parliaments.
Halafu hata ukivunja parliamentary immunity leo, just to entertain you and rais an immanent critique, how are you applying that retroactively? That is against most logical jurisprudence. Yiu will habe yo apply that going forward and let this incident go.
Unataka kuanzisha sheria inayosema kuvaa mashati ya kijani ni kosa la jinai leo halafu uende kwenye picha kukamata watu wote waliovaa mashati ya kijani kw amwaka mzima uliopita?
How absurd!
It looks like you guys are trying to inbent all kinds of scenarios just to nab the Speaker, against all kinds of principles of law.
You started by trying to break separation of powers.
And now you want to strike laws off the book and invoke that void retroactively?
Najua sheria inaweza kua act retroactively. Nimesoma hilo jambo kitambo.As I told you earlier on, in Law to every general rule there’s an exception.
For some reasons, Law can operate retrospectively, eg Public Policy, Public Interest, Security reasons.
Rejea Sheria ya Uhujumu Uchumi, that law operates retrospectively.
umesema Mpina sehemu ya kushitaki ni Bungeni baada ya kuonewa.Spika kamfukuza Mpina vikao 15 bungeni. Mpina analalamika kaonewa.
Sehemu ya Mpina kumshitaki Spika ni bungeni, si mahakamani.
Bunge lina mpaka mchakato wa kumtoa Spika kwa impeachment na vote of no confidence.
Mahakama haiingilii namna Spika anavyoendesha Bunge.
Kwanza Spika ana sheria ya kinga dhidi ya kushitakiwa mahakamani. Unamshitakije?
I can guarantee it will not be removed as you say.Bado hujaelewa.
Katiba ni sheria mama, si ndio?
However, Katiba haiwezi kuwa Too Prescriptive, as such it needs other laws to supplement it.
Parliamentary Immunity ipo kwenye Katiba, Lakini pia, kuna sheria nyingine zime prescribe immunity ya parliament, ikiwemo hiyo sheria uliyosema imetungwa majuzi kumuwekea kinga spika asishitakiwe Mahakamani akiwa Bungeni.
If that supplementary law has provisions which are inconsistent with Constitution, Court has power to order for their removal.
Kwanza, huja admit kama spika ni authority.Kuwa challeghed on what?
That is a logical non sequitur fallacy.
Kuweza kuwa challenged si kuwa successfully challenged.
Unaruhusiwa kufungua kesi dhidi ya Spika kwa sababu ya alivyoendesha Bunge, hapo umeanzisha challenge. Unataka tafsiri ya sheria kutoka mahakamani.
Mahakama nayo inaruhusiwa kukuambia hili ni shauri la Bunge, mahakama haiingilii Bunge na kuhukumu kesi ya Spika anavyoendesha Bunge. Kapeleke suala lako Bungeni mkalimalize huko huko. Hatutaki kuvunja separation of powers kwa kuingilia kesi za Spika anavyoendesha Bunge.
Huelewi wapi?
Unfortunately, Mpina’s saga doesn’t deal with retrospective effect of law. Rather, it deals on challenging decisions of speaker through judicial review.Najua sheria inaweza kua act retroactively. Nimesoma hilo jambo kitambo.
But that is very controversial and frowned upon and I can almost guarantee you it will not happen in this case.
You are just fantasizing.
Sikiliza shauri lilofunguliwa mkuuMahakama inaweza kutoa hukumu kuhusu uendeshwaji wa mhimili unaojitegemea wa Bunge na Spika?
Hukumu hiyo haitaharibu uhuru wa Bunge kama mhimili unaojitegemea?
That would be another scenario, Mpina deeply disappointed on how speaker arrived at such decisions ( allegedly silly ones).I can guarantee it will not be removed as you say.
Do you want to bet money on that?
The speaker being an authority, in this case, is immaterial if the court is not allowed to intervene in parliamentary matters.Kwanza, huja admit kama spika ni authority.
Pili, una admit admit kuwa challenged, japo hutaki kusema including decisions of speaker.
Tatu, unataja separation of powers bila kutaja checks and balances of powers ( showing only one side of coin?).
Mwisho, Mahakama kufanya marejeo ya maamuzi ya spika kama yalifuata sheria, sio kuingilia Muhimili wa Bunge, in fact, inatoa haki kwa mlalamikaji ikiwa kweli maamuzi ya spika yalikiuka sheria na hivyo kumuathiri Mpina.
Hili nalo huelewi?
Hamna lolote, mbona alipigwa chini NEC taifa na mkoa na hakuna aliyeshtuka. He's a nobody hata 2025 anajua hawezi kurudi so anataka tu kufa na watu. Rai yangu tu chadema isimpokee huyu opportunist maana kipindi tunateswa na JPM alikua kimya leo wamegeukana ndio anataka huruma yetu.Hata kama matokeo hayatatoka leo ama kesho ama hayatatoka in favor ya Mpina, napenda courage yake, napenda fighting spirit ndani yake. Mpina ana ile kitu inaitwa intestinal and testicular fortitude. Sio mtu wa kukubali kushindwa kirahisi.
Lakini wewe ndiye umesema sheria za immunity zinaweza kufutwa, implying that void yake inaweza ku operate retrospectively.Unfortunately, Mpina’s saga doesn’t deal with retrospective effect of law. Rather, it deals on challenging decisions of speaker through judicial review.
Nimejikita hususan kwenye shauri la kumshitaki Spika mahakamani.Sikiliza shauri lilofunguliwa mkuu
Unachomoa sasa?That would be another scenario, Mpina deeply disappointed on how speaker arrived at such decisions ( allegedly silly ones).
Sikiliza shauri lilofunguliwa mkuu
Amri kutoka juu sio jambo geni kwa Mahakama zetu.A double whammy.
Ila tatizo ninaloliona hapa ni kwamba, mahakama ikikataa kusikiliza kesi ya Spika, kwa sababu za halali za separation of powers, watu watasema mahakama imekataa kwa amri kutoka juu.
Nimechomeka wapi kwani?Unachomoa sasa?
Amri kutoka juu sio jambo geni kwa Mahakama zetu.
Hakuna independent judiciary from the word go, Luckily we have rare independent judges whose rulings one can tell how bold and courageous they’re. Tunawajua.
Hivyo, kuna uwezekano tena mkubwa sana wa maagizo kutoka juu kama tu kutimuliwa kwa spika ndugai.
Hata Fatma Karume, at one point, alimuwakilisha Ado Shaibu, kwenye kesi ya kumshitaki John Joseph Pombe Magufuli & Attorney General ( Adelrdus Kilangi) based on allegations appointment of Kilangi as AG was contrary to Constitution as he was TOO JUNIOR hence unqualified for the post.
You want to know outcome of the case?
Fatma Karume was suspended from practice up to date. This is Tanzania!
Nimechomeka wapi kwani?Unachomoa sasa?
Wewe mwenyewe umeweka hoja ya sheria kufutwa na void ku apply retroactively.N
Nimechomeka wapi kwani?
Judicial Review inasema, unaweza pinga maamuzi ya Mamlaka yeyote ikiwemo Bunge chini ya spika.Jambo la msingi ni kwamba mahakama haitakiwi kuhukumu shauri la Bunge linavyojiendesha.
Mbunge akiweza kushitaki hata kwa mizimu aende tu.