Magufuli orders seizure and reallocation of undeveloped farms

Magufuli orders seizure and reallocation of undeveloped farms

People in Botswana Have 2000 -10000 acres individually and yes Africans not whites in
Sudan Too in SA i have visited and seen Black farmers with over 1000 acres....hapa Kenya kupata hata acre kumi Shida!!

North eastern mahali acre ni 20k kuna insecurity chungu mzima .....

Si basi watoke somalia

Hawataki kutoka somalia
Hawataki ku handle corruption
Hawataki ku punguza cost of living .
Sasa mbona ni wa support?


Sam, do u really really believe that if all these 4million landless Kenyans were provided with land........

If the big land owners were to surrender some od the portions of land they own for redistribution........

that these, will reduce poverty in Kenya?

Is land redistribution, the answer to poverty in Kenya?
 
Kwa hivyo rais hawezi kuamua unyang'anywe hiyo ardhi na ukapokonywe? Rais wa Tanzania ana mamlaka makubwa sana, chochote akiliamuru, lazma litimizwe.

Ndio, tunajua kuna sheria, lakini pia tunajua rais kwa kiwango flani ana mamlaka juu ya sheria, na atamanipulate hiyo sheria kufanya atakalo, ikiwemo kutwaa ardhi kwa mtu au kampini yoyote.

Rais hawezi kufanya hivyo. Utaratibu uko hivi, kama haujaendeleza ardhi kwa muda unaotakiwa, wizara ya ardhi inakupa notisi ya kuendeleza. Ukishindwa kuendeleza ndani ya muda uliopewa, waziri wa ardhi anapeleka maombi kwa Rais atie sahihi hati ya kufuta umiliki wa ardhi hiyo.

Kwa hiyo Rais kazi yake ni kutia sahihi baada ya uamuzi kuchukuliwa na wizara ya ardhi.
 
Kwa hivyo rais hawezi kuamua unyang'anywe hiyo ardhi na ukapokonywe? Rais wa Tanzania ana mamlaka makubwa sana, chochote akiliamuru, lazma litimizwe.

Ndio, tunajua kuna sheria, lakini pia tunajua rais kwa kiwango flani ana mamlaka juu ya sheria, na atamanipulate hiyo sheria kufanya atakalo, ikiwemo kutwaa ardhi kwa mtu au kampini yoyote.
Ukiwa na title deed na umeweka kitu cha thamani kwenye ardhi, lazima ulipwe fidia. Hata wale ambao hawana TD kuna sheria customary land ownership unaweza kuwa compensated if you've been in the area for a long time and there is on going economical activity. Lakini kama nilivyo sema, ukupewa TD, unapewa 3yrs kuiendeleza after that kama umeshindwa, serikali ina haki ya kuichukuwa na kuigawa kwa mtu mwingine.
 
Achaneni na hawa. This neighbors wanatuongoza tuwafundishe jinsi ya kupata ardhi kwetu.
 
People in Botswana Have 2000 -10000 acres individually and yes Africans not whites in
Sudan Too in SA i have visited and seen Black farmers with over 1000 acres....hapa Kenya kupata hata acre kumi Shida!!


U are exagerrating the extent of the land problem in Kenya, whilst embellishing the situation in those other countries.

There are also some Africans who own 1000++ acres of land in Kenya and there area also people not even owning 6x4 ft burial ground in SA.

I believe that the land issue is potentially more volatile in SA than it is in Kenya. It is the ANC charm and the great reverence for Mandela that is placating the landless masses. But they are slowly edging towards their breaking point.
 
East African when we talk about Land injustices tuo


Good thing ni kwamba Tuna uhuru wa kwenda popote within TZ bila kujali wewe ni kabila gani na ukapokelewa na kupewa Arthi ingine na maisha ikaendelea.
Pia kenya kuna huo uhuru
 
Sam, do u really really believe that if all these 4million landless Kenyans were provided with land........

If the big land owners were to surrender some od the portions of land they own for redistribution........

that these, will reduce poverty in Kenya?

Is land redistribution, the answer to poverty in Kenya?
No its not but Its an essential issue in Kenya

And come to think Yes

Actually YES it will end poverty provided they are also educated ...

Mombasa is 200km2

Ie 107,000 acres or there about...

Mombasa has 2mn people

So say Some two white Farmers in Laikipia or the Olpejeta was Reinstated to squatters

Olpejeta is 238,000acres
Or there about

It will end all squatter issues in Kenya


Wakifungua polytechnics za Agric in this area na wawape subsidies za kuanzisha mashamba kilimo bas those are 4mn rich kenyans


Majority of the btw are from central kenya....

Na kwakupewa mashamba sisemi wapewe shamba

Wajengewe manyumba alafu hzo shamba ziwekwe under a management system controlled by them for profits kama SA wanavyo Fanya

Poor Black south africans were given 3.4mn acres of land by the government to manage of this human settlement is only at 8% of the total land .....i believe Kenya will go far under this system
 
U are exagerrating the extent of the land problem in Kenya, whilst embellishing the situation in those other countries.

There are also some Africans who own 1000++ acres of land in Kenya and there area also people not even owning 6x4 ft burial ground in SA.

I believe that the land issue is potentially more volatile in SA than it is in Kenya. It is the ANC charm and the great reverence for Mandela that is placating the landless masses. But they are slowly edging towards their breaking point.
Gve me one of those africans in Kenya who acquired that massive land without
1. Being in Government
2 Being in Government
3. Being a Foreignor in Kenya but still african
4. Being an Athlete.
5. Being in Government
 
Gve me one of those africans in Kenya who acquired that massive land without
1. Being in Government
2 Being in Government
3. Being a Foreignor in Kenya but still african
4. Being an Athlete.
5. Being in Government

I cant answer that, anymore than u cannot prove to me that those 1000acre native land owners u encountered in SA and elsewhere didnt acquire them thru their political connections, their celebrity status or were/are seniour officials in govt.

All I know is that the land problem in SA is getting quite dangerous, for the nation's unity, it is just a matter of time before it all flares up.
 
Sam, do u really really believe that if all these 4million landless Kenyans were provided with land........

If the big land owners were to surrender some od the portions of land they own for redistribution........

that these, will reduce poverty in Kenya?

Is land redistribution, the answer to poverty in Kenya?
Yes by far a reason someone in Tanzania has a better life with food security compared to someone in Kenya a squatter in a landlord's estate where though GDP is bigger Poverty level is higher. Feudalism still at play..
 
Boss ask anyone here
Am a Commercial Farmer in Nakuru
I quit my Job to start farming in 2013...eti Tatizo letu...smh

Am talking about something That affcts me Directly wewe uko psychophancy hapa

This is my livelyhood

If land prices go down i am sure of a better future for myself...

Uhuru will never allow that

Land will be expensive depending with the place you are in. I know a friend of mine their family has 100 acres in Bungoma County and the guy is looking for a job. Ukitaka hekari kumi usitafute Nakuru. Kwenda Malindi utapata shamba cheap. The important thing is to be efficient in farming.

P.S. What makes you think I'm not into farming? Kuna watu wanatoa 700K per month na they own only one acre. They are few..but they exists. Kuna mwingine anauza acre moja for 700K. It's how you use your land and how you perfect it. Wacheni kunyemelea shamba za wenyewe.
 
Land will be expensive depending with the place you are in. I know a friend of mine their family has 100 acres in Bungoma County and the guy is looking for a job. Ukitaka hekari kumi usitafute Nakuru. Kwenda Malindi utapata shamba cheap. The important thing is to be efficient in farming.

P.S. What makes you think I'm not into farming? Kuna watu wanatoa 700K per month na they own only one acre. They are few..but they exists. Kuna mwingine anauza acre moja for 700K. It's how you use your land and how you perfect it. Wacheni kunyemelea shamba za wenyewe.
Wacha ujinga wewe...hii ni Economics ya wap?
 
No its not but Its an essential issue in Kenya

And come to think Yes

Actually YES it will end poverty provided they are also educated ...

Mombasa is 200km2

Ie 107,000 acres or there about...

Mombasa has 2mn people

So say Some two white Farmers in Laikipia or the Olpejeta was Reinstated to squatters

Olpejeta is 238,000acres
Or there about

It will end all squatter issues in Kenya


Wakifungua polytechnics za Agric in this area na wawape subsidies za kuanzisha mashamba kilimo bas those are 4mn rich kenyans


Majority of the btw are from central kenya....

Na kwakupewa mashamba sisemi wapewe shamba

Wajengewe manyumba alafu hzo shamba ziwekwe under a management system controlled by them for profits kama SA wanavyo Fanya

Poor Black south africans were given 3.4mn acres of land by the government to manage of this human settlement is only at 8% of the total land .....i believe Kenya will go far under this system

Provided they are educated.....

U then admit that just providing these pipo land without some proper training would be an exercise in futility, it would in fact plunge this country into even greater economic challenges than the situation now. Mugabe did it, he was later to admit that it was a blunder.

This agitation for equal land distribution, it may sounds very attractive. But where is the empirical evidence to demonstrate that this would actually end the cycle of poverty in this country?

Look at our small- scale farmers, are they finding life easier than the landless hotel or kinyozi owners in Nairobi? The farm hands at the Ol Pajetas or Kakuzis etc in fact earn more reasonable incomes than most land owning, peasant farmerd using rudimentary tools to till their lands at some village called Kagumayo.

Most of these small land owners are not leading more comfortable living standards than their landless counteromparts. Let us face it, agriculture does not pay that much these days, esp if u are a small- scale farmer, depending on the "God" supplied water from the skies. Almost every year, the majority of these farmers' harvests simply do not commensurate the amount of money and efforts they put in their farming activities, esp these days with the short supply of rainfall.

We need more moneyed investor, both local and foreign to utilize these lands in greater scale, and employ more of tgese people. They must start other income genersting ventures apart from farming.

Let more moneyed people buy out parts of these idle lands from these big land owners, and put up some income generating activities on them. It would be better for the economy, and the overall living standards of the pipo.

On their own(the squarters) they simply cant. Not even the politechnics will unleash the skill from all these people, let us not kid ourselves.
 
Yes by far a reason someone in Tanzania has a better life with food security compared to someone in Kenya a squatter in a landlord's estate where though GDP is bigger Poverty level is higher. Feudalism still at play..

The research evidence indicate the opposite
 
@Samuel999 if you think the president has any say in people's property then you are so wrong. We have a constitution, institutions and people who are woke...nobody will allow this to happen. Raila himself has been a strong supporter of strong institutions, He fought hard for it. It is people like you who deny Raila votes by spreading propaganda, really unfounded stories you tell every where you go.
No president can take your property in Kenya. You bought it, inherited.. you own it. Please read manifestos. You can help destroy or build our country just by the things you say around your friends or bars...some people take this things as gospel truth.
I once believed Oginga Odinga the vp was a mafia...even though then I didnt know what the mafia was. Some people still believe such sh#t.
 
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