Maisha yetu huendeshwa na Nyota?

[Adiosamigo]

Whether you're a theist, deist or non theist, pointless is pointless. Use it as an addendum, but at least edit your OP to give us something to debate.

You must be brain-dead. A simple point of care was put to you and you started meandering.

 

[Adiosamigo]

You did not prove anything. I can debate on the existence of this "fairytale Allah of diabolical Islam" 1stly :| its not real. Allah is fictitious and bogus. Allah never say in the Quran that he is God, inter-alia, Muhammad never say he is a prophet of God. What a fiendish cult of Jibril.

I am God, there is no god but Me, therefore you shall worship Me and observe the Salat to commemorate Me." 20:14

"Say (O Muhammad), "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me (Quran). I am no more than a profound warner." 46:9 (also in 10:15). BTW; Jesus acknowledge the God of the Abraham is the only true God
John 17:3 for this life eternal that they may know you the ONLY true God, and Jesus whom you have sent
Jesus was a prophet Just like Moses and Muhammad.

 

[Ishmael]

"I am God, there is no god but Me, therefore you shall worship Me and observe the Salat to commemorate Me." 20:14

We all know it was Jibril who supposedly gave those verses to Muhammad. So, Jibril is saying to Muhammad "I am God, there is no god but me"

Huu ni msiba kwako.

"Say (O Muhammad), "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me (Quran). I am no more than a profound warner." 46:9 (also in 10:15).

So, here Muhammad is asked to say he is a warner and not a prophet. Very sad to know that you guys are following a warner and not a prophet.

Can you show me a verse - "Muhammad is saying/repeating these words"?

 

[Ishmael]

You must be brain-dead. A simple point of care was put to you and you started meandering.

Bogus reply.

 

[njiwa]

When you use weed and you are under influence of controlled substance, please don't come to thinkers.

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[Ishmael]

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[njiwa]

When you use weed and you are under influence of controlled substance, please don't come to thinkers.

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[Ishmael]

A South African preacher made his congregation eat grass to 'be closer to God' before stamping on them

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[Adiosamigo]

We all know it was Jibril who supposedly gave those verses to Muhammad. So, Jibril is saying to Muhammad "I am God, there is no god but me"

Huu ni msiba kwako.


So, here Muhammad is asked to say he is a warner and not a prophet. Very sad to know that you guys are following a warner and not a prophet.

Can you show me a verse - "Muhammad is saying/repeating these words"?

God spoke through The Holy Spirit to Jesus right? Who is The Holy Spirit? Christians don't even know who is the Holy Spirit?
[h=1]The Angel Gabriel Spoke to Mary[/h]Gabriel told Mary that she is going to have a baby, and to call him Jesus. Also that Elizabeth her cousin is six months pregnant.

Gabriel in Hebrew means: GOD is mighty. Luke 1:19English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the angel answered him, "I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I was sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news.

 

[Adiosamigo]

We all know it was Jibril who supposedly gave those verses to Muhammad. So, Jibril is saying to Muhammad "I am God, there is no god but me"

Huu ni msiba kwako.


So, here Muhammad is asked to say he is a warner and not a prophet. Very sad to know that you guys are following a warner and not a prophet.

Can you show me a verse - "Muhammad is saying/repeating these words"?

God spoke through The Holy Spirit to Jesus right? Who is The Holy Spirit? Christians don't even know who is the Holy Spirit?
[h=1]The Angel Gabriel Spoke to Mary[/h]Gabriel told Mary that she is going to have a baby, and to call him Jesus. Also that Elizabeth her cousin is six months pregnant.

Gabriel in Hebrew means: GOD is mighty. Luke 1:19English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the angel answered him, “I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I was sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news.

 

[Mashaxizo]

Nilikuwa nataka kuanza kuielezea concept ya Trinity yaani utatu mtakatifu lakini umeniambia huko nyuma ya kwamba unaifahamu kuhusiana na uungu, na uanielewa vizuri Biblia inatufundisha hivi

Matendo 17:29 Basi, kwa kuwa sisi tu wazao wa Mungu, haitupasi kudhani ya kuwa Uungu ni mfano wa dhahabu au fedha au jiwe, vitu vilivyochongwa kwa ustadi na akili za wanadamu.

Halafu bwana Yesu akatufundisha hivi

Mathayo 28:19 Basi, enendeni, mkawafanye mataifa yote kuwa wanafunzi, mkiwabatiza kwa jina la Baba, na Mwana, na Roho Mtakatifu;

Katika hilo fungu la Mathayo hali hizo tatu ndio utimilifu au ukamilifu wa Mungu mmoja,

Zaburi 89:26 Yeye ataniita, Wewe baba yangu, Mungu wangu na mwamba wa wokovu wangu.

Warumi 9:5 ambao mababu ni wao, na katika hao alitoka Kristo kwa jinsi ya mwili. Ndiye aliye juu ya mambo yote, Mungu, mwenye kuhimidiwa milele. Amina.

Mungu mwana ndiye ambaye kwake yeye ulimwengu uliumbwa

Waebrania 1:2 mwisho wa siku hizi amesema na sisi katika Mwana, aliyemweka kuwa mrithi wa yote, tena kwa yeye aliufanya ulimwengu.

kwa hiyo kwa maana nyingine Yesu ni neno la Mungu, hili ni kati ya somo gumu kwasababu najua nizalisha maswali mengi kwa mfano watu wataanza kuuliza Kwanini basi Yesu anaongea mwenyewe kuhusu yeye mwenyewe kwenda kwa baba yake na Mungu wake (Yohana 20:17)? kwanini anamwomba Baba kama Mungu wake(Yohana 17:1, Mathayo 27:46)? Kwanini anasema kwamba Baba ni Mkuu kuliko alivyo yeye(Yohana 14:28) kama Yesu mwenyewe ni Mungu(Yohana 1:1)?

Hayo maswali nimeyajibu huko kwenye concept ya Incarnation nikajaribu kukupa na vifungu vichache, japokuwa najua hadi kwasasa hivi unakataa, lakini aina mbaya kwasababu umeniambia Trinity unaielewa vizuri ngojea nijibu swali lako, lililobaki hapa chini

Hapo nilipoweka red alichukuliwa na Mungu Baba

1 Wathesalonike 1:10 na kumngojea Mwanawe kutoka mbinguni, ambaye alimfufua katika wafu, naye ni Yesu, mwenye kutuokoa na ghadhabu itakayokuja.

Hapo nilipoweka blue nimekwisha lielezea, ila angalia hii Timotheo

1 Timotheo 3:16 Na bila shaka siri ya utauwa ni kuu. Mungu alidhihirishwa katika mwili, Akajulika kuwa na haki katika roho, Akaonekana na malaika, Akahubiriwa katika mataifa, Akaaminiwa katika ulimwengu, Akachukuliwa juu katika utukufu.

Hapo nilipoweka purple nimekwisha elezea, labda na mimi nikuulize swali, naweka hapa chini aya ya Qurani halafu nakuuliza swali

Qurani 19:17 Na akaweka pazia kujikinga nao. Tukampelekea Roho wetu, akajifananisha kwake sawa na mtu.

Sasa Mashaxizo kulingana na hiyo aya Jibril aliweza kuwa na sura ya mwanaadamu kamili na wewe unapinga concept ya God Incarnate

Swali: Ikiwa Malaika aliweza kujifananisha na kuwa mtu je Mungu hawezi? Malaika na Mungu nani ana uwezo zaidi!?

Mungu anaweza na anauwezo kuliko malaika.

Lakini jee, unataka kusema wakati Gabriel kajigeuza mtu kulikua na Gabriel mwengine huko juu?

Mkuu wa chuo nahisi ungenipa nafasi ya kuthibisha kwamba bible imechakachuliwa, ili tumalize huu mjadala.

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

Mungu anaweza na anauwezo kuliko malaika.

Lakini jee, unataka kusema wakati Gabriel kajigeuza mtu kulikua na Gabriel mwengine huko juu?

Mkuu wa chuo nahisi ungenipa nafasi ya kuthibisha kwamba bible imechakachuliwa, ili tumalize huu mjadala.

Sidhani kama kulikuwa na Gabriel kwasababu Gabriel sio omnipresent... Kuna swali jingine nimejiuliza sasa hivi kutokana na hilo swali lako nalo ni hili hivi yule malaika Israel mnayesema ni mtoa roho anawezaje kutoa roho za watu hata lakimoja kwa sekunde moja!? tena sehemu tofauti tofauti duniani...

Mashaxizo unaweza ukaendelea kuthibitisha baada ya kuthibitisha tuonyeshe njia... halafu tutapata na nafasi ya kukuuliza maswali tujiridhishe... au tutakuwa tunakuuliza maswali ukiwa unathibitisha

 

[Ishmael]

God spoke through The Holy Spirit to Jesus right? Who is The Holy Spirit? Christians don't even know who is the Holy Spirit?
The Angel Gabriel Spoke to Mary

Bogus commentary from a Muhammadan.

Gabriel told Mary that she is going to have a baby, and to call him Jesus. Also that Elizabeth her cousin is six months pregnant.

What about that...

Gabriel in Hebrew means: GOD is mighty. Luke 1:19English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the angel answered him, "I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I was sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news.

You are wrong.

Gabriel in Hebrews means "strong man of God" and not what you said.

 

[Mashaxizo]

Sidhani kama kulikuwa na Gabriel kwasababu Gabriel sio omnipresent... Kuna swali jingine nimejiuliza sasa hivi kutokana na hilo swali lako nalo ni hili hivi yule malaika Israel mnayesema ni mtoa roho anawezaje kutoa roho za watu hata lakimoja kwa sekunde moja!? tena sehemu tofauti tofauti duniani...

Mashaxizo unaweza ukaendelea kuthibitisha baada ya kuthibitisha tuonyeshe njia... halafu tutapata na nafasi ya kukuuliza maswali tujiridhishe... au tutakuwa tunakuuliza maswali ukiwa unathibitisha

Malaika anaweza, uwezo wa malaika ni tofauti na mwanadamu.

Hoja ni kwamba ulisema Mungu ni mmoja unapinga wanaokwambia ninyi mna waungu watatu, na ukasema yesu ni Mungu, wakati huo huo ukasema akachukuliwa akapelekwa mbinguni.

Mkuu wa chuo tukubali kutokubaliana hapo.

Baada ya kuthibitisha, utafanya critical analysis then utauliza hayo maswali.

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

Malaika anaweza, uwezo wa malaika ni tofauti na mwanadamu.

Hoja ni kwamba ulisema Mungu ni mmoja unapinga wanaokwambia ninyi mna waungu watatu, na ukasema yesu ni Mungu, wakati huo huo ukasema akachukuliwa akapelekwa mbinguni.

Mkuu wa chuo tukubali kutokubaliana hapo.

Baada ya kuthibitisha, utafanya critical analysis then utauliza hayo maswali.

Mimi naona Yesu anauwezo zaidi ya Malaika...

Ngojea nikubali kutokubaliana nikuache uendelee, lakini kitu kimoja unapotoa aya kwenye Biblia ukubali kuulizwa maswali kutokana na hiyo aya uliyoleta au aya utakazoleta... sio kwamba uachwe tu mpaka mwisho, vinginevyo utoe uthibitisho katika post moja...

 

[Adiosamigo]

You are wrong.

Gabriel in Hebrews means "strong man of God" and not what you said.

Gabriel comes from the verb גבר (gabar), meaning to be mighty.

The name Gabriel in the Bible


Gabriel himself submits that he stands in the presence of the Lord (Luke 1:19),

Etymology of the name Gabriel; The name Gabriel consists of two parts. The final bit is אל (El), the abbreviated form of אלהים, Elohim, the genus God:
Gabriel himself submits that he stands in the presence of the Lord (Luke 1:19). When translating names that contain the segment אל ('el), it usually refers to אלהים ('elohim), that is Elohim, or God, also known as אלה ('eloah). Ndio sababu mna yule God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit(Gabriel).

 

[Ishmael]

Gabriel comes from the verb גבר (gabar), meaning to be mighty.

The name Gabriel in the Bible


Gabriel himself submits that he stands in the presence of the Lord (Luke 1:19),

Etymology of the name Gabriel; The name Gabriel consists of two parts. The final bit is אל (El), the abbreviated form of אלהים, Elohim, the genus God:
Gabriel himself submits that he stands in the presence of the Lord (Luke 1:19). When translating names that contain the segment אל ('el), it usually refers to אלהים ('elohim), that is Elohim, or God, also known as אלה ('eloah). Ndio sababu mna yule God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit(Gabriel).

Meaning of "Gabriel"
Hebrew name

In Hebrew, the name Gabriel means- Man of God. Gods able-bodied one. Famous bearer: The archangel Gabriel, who appears several times in the Bible.. Other origins for the name Gabriel include - Hebrew, Israeli, Spanish.The name Gabriel is most often used as a boy name or male name.

Hebrew Name Meaning -Man of God. Gods able-bodied one. Famous bearer: The archangel Gabriel, who appears several times in the Bible.
Origin -Hebrew



Read more:Names - Meaning of Gabriel - Name Meaning

 

[Ishmael]

Malaika anaweza, uwezo wa malaika ni tofauti na mwanadamu.

Not true. Angles can not cast out demons, in contrast, humans can cast out demons. Angles can not pray for the sick, in contrast, humans can. Angles are not created in God,s image, to wit

Hoja ni kwamba ulisema Mungu ni mmoja unapinga wanaokwambia ninyi mna waungu watatu, na ukasema yesu ni Mungu, wakati huo huo ukasema akachukuliwa akapelekwa mbinguni.

One of His follower said [h=3]John 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"[/h]
Jesus did not refuse to be called GOD, BUT AGREED.

 

[Adiosamigo]

You are wrong.

Gabriel in Hebrews means "strong man of God" and not what you said.

You like to complicate thing, OK let go step by step here. Psalm 46 King James Version (KJV) 46 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
The meaning of the name Gabriel; God Is My Strength:A S wink:
Proof from Bible that Angel Gabriel is the Holy spirit. Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,

Bible;Angel gives news that (The Holy Ghost/Angel Gabriel) shall come to her.


Another Proof from Bible
<< Matthew 1:18 >>
This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

combine with this

<< Luke 1:26-27 >>
In the sixth month, GOD sent Angel Gabriel to Nazereth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary.
as you can see above, holy spirit visited Mary before birth of Jesus, and in other verse Angel Gabriel visited Mary before birth of Jesus, so logically Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel.

But you Christians don't like proofs and simple logic, you like to complicate you religion and make a dove of a holy spirit.

Proof from Qur'an that Angel Gabriel is The Holy Spirit

God says in Qur'an:
16:102 Say that the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation with the Truth step by step from your Lord, to strengthen the believers and as guidance and good news to the Muslims.

combine with this

God says in Qur'an:
2:97 Say [Prophet], &#8216;If anyone is an enemy of Gabriel- who by God's leave brought down the Qur'an to your heart confirming previous scriptures as a guide and good news for the faithful.

Same logic in Qur'an also. [The Noble Quran 35:6] The devil is your enemy, so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his party to be the dwellers of Hell.

How can Satan tell Prophet Muhammad something like this? is this logical to you that Satan says it or God? Ishmael; Can you imagine this nonsense from the Bible; Do you believe that God was a barber who shaved hair on people's legs?

 

[Adiosamigo]

One of His follower said John 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"


Jesus did not refuse to be called GOD, BUT AGREED.

Jesus is called "god" in the Bible? Yes, and so are Satan, Mosses, the spiritual leaders of Israel, and pagan deities:A S wink: