Mbowe, Masauni, political funerals and the limit of civility

Mbowe, Masauni, political funerals and the limit of civility

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RIP Ali Mohammed Kibao.

Following this tragic death and the ensuing conversation, I am finding myself with a lot of questions.

What are the limits of diplomacy and civility?

Mbowe is catching a lof of flack for refraining public anger and letting Masauni speak at the Ali Mohammed Kibao funeral.

Is Mbowe unfairly criticized for demonstrating statesmanship, civility and diplomacy or fairly criticized for failing to seize the moment to ostracize and excommunicate the CCM ghouls and their enablers?

Are we going to bury the dead by political affiliation now? Is that necessary to drive some larger points home?

Should any of these politicos speak at these funerals? Can we avoid politics and still be authentic at such political funerals? Wo 't that amount to a form of self-censorship?
 
Kiranga said:
RIP Ali Mohammed Kibao.

Following this tragic death and the ensuing conversation, I am finding myself with a lot of questions...
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JF members from Madison and the only one 86 years old from Monowi are typing...
 
Kiranga said:
RIP Ali Mohammed Kibao.

Following this tragic death and the ensuing conversation, I am finding myself with a lot of questions.

What are the limits of diplomacy and civility?

Mbowe is catching a lof of flack for refraining public anger and letting Masauni speak at the Ali Mohammed Kibao funeral.

Is Mbowe unfairly criticized for demonstrating statesmanship, civility and diplomacy or fairly criticized for failing to seize the moment to ostracize and excommunicate the CCM ghouls and their enablers?

Are we going to bury the dead by political affiliation now? Is that necessary to drive some larger points home?

Should any of these politicos speak at these funerals? Can we avoid politics and still be authentic at such political funerals? Wo 't that amount to a form of self-censorship?
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hii ni kwa ajilii yetu waswahili ?
 
Kiranga said:
RIP Ali Mohammed Kibao.

Following this tragic death and the ensuing conversation, I am finding myself with a lot of questions.

What are the limits of diplomacy and civility?

Mbowe is catching a lof of flack for refraining public anger and letting Masauni speak at the Ali Mohammed Kibao funeral.

Is Mbowe unfairly criticized for demonstrating statesmanship, civility and diplomacy or fairly criticized for failing to seize the moment to ostracize and excommunicate the CCM ghouls and their enablers?

Are we going to bury the dead by political affiliation now? Is that necessary to drive some larger points home?

Should any of these politicos speak at these funerals? Can we avoid politics and still be authentic at such political funerals? Wo 't that amount to a form of self-censorship?
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Kiranga katika ubora wake!

How I wish our graduates could master ung'eng'e like Kiranga, lakini sasa ndiyo hivyo tena!

Sijui Nyani Ngabu atakubali kuwa mkalimani?😃
 
Kiranga said:
Mbowe is catching a lof of flack for refraining public anger and letting Masauni speak at the Ali Mohammed Kibao funeral.
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Mbowe alizingua sana.
Kama anavyoandamana yeye na wenzake ili kufikisha malalamiko ya kero kunakohusika, angeacha waombolezaji "wasio na sauti" watumie hiyo fursa kufikisha ujumbe kwa muakilishi wa "watuhumiwa"
 
Kiranga said:
Hii ni kwa Watanzania waliojiKaigarula.
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Hahahaaa, Mbowe may be is right, and the public is wrong, may be.

Are we 100 per cent sure that the state is responsible for Kibao's masacre?

Ok, lets say we are 100 percent sure.

Are we sure that the minister is involved? We are not sure. How if, may be it was a state job, Yes, and the minister knows nothing about?

Was he supposed to ubruptly resign?

Maswali ni mengi kuliko majibu, lakini kwa haraka haraka, Mbowe is a Statesman, na nadhani, alikuwa sahihi kutaka waziri apewe nafasi ya kuongea.
 
It is very unfair to politicise these abductions and killings because when we allow it to happen we make them thugs triumph.
Just recalling the Covid 19 waves!!
 
antimatter said:
Mbowe alizingua sana.
Kama anavyoandamana yeye na wenzake ili kufikisha malalamiko ya kero kunakohusika, angeacha waombolezaji "wasio na sauti" watumie hiyo fursa kufikisha ujumbe kwa muakilishi wa "watuhumiwa"
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Sawa,

Naelewa sana hoja yako. Mimi ni muumini wa uhuru wa kujieleza. Kanuni zangu za libertarianism zinanifanya nikubaliane na maoni yako.

Lakini pia, kuna mambo mengi. Ule ulikuwa msiba, watu waliokuwa katika msiba wameripoti kwamba famikia ya marehemu ina watu wengi wa CCM, na kwamba isingekuwa sawa kwenda kinyume na natakwa ya watu wa famikia ya marehemu waliotaka Masauni anbgee.

Katika muktadha kama huo, bado unaona Mbowe aliharibu kwa kutaka Masauni apewe nafasi kuongea?

Huoni kwamba ni busara kumuacha mtu aseme halafu kama unapingana na hoja zake uzipinge hoja? Hususan katika hali kama ya msiba ambapo Masauni alisema yeye anapiga dua tu, watu wanakataa mtu kupiga dua msibani, katika msiba ambao si wa familia yao na wanafamilia wameruhusu dua hilo?
 
chakii said:
Mnatupa shida na lugha za wageni
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Mkuu,

Hizi nyingine ni changamoto ujiongeze.

Ila sintopenda ukose mazungumzo kwa sababu ya lugha tu. Naweka hapa tafsiri fupi.

Kifupi swali ni kwamba, je, Mbowe alivyomtetea Masauni aongee katika msiba wa Ali Mohammed Kibao, Mbowe alikuwa kafanya sawa na huo ni ustaarabu mzuri tu kwa mwanasiasa mzalendo mwenye hekima, hatutakiwi kukatazana kuongea kwenye misiba kwa sababu za kisiasa, au alikosea na alipoteza nafasi adimu ya kuwatenga na kuwaumbua wauaji wa CCM na machawa wao?
 
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