Mgongano: Serikali Vs. Mwanahalisi - Mipaka ya Maoni?

Mgongano: Serikali Vs. Mwanahalisi - Mipaka ya Maoni?

Kuhani said:
Hizi shuttle correspondence za barua nne ( Wizara kwa Kubenea, Kubenea kuomba muda, Wizara kukataa, Kubenea kujieleza) ni e-mail au ? Mkuu kwa dataz! Ha haaaaa aaaaaa!

Jana Wizara ilitangaza kwamba imetuma barua, na inataka majibu by leo.

Kubenea akasema jana siku nzima hajapokea hiyo barua na alikuwa ofisini: “...taarifa hiyo ya serikali ikija tutaipokea, tutaijadili na kuitafakari kisha tutawajibu.”

Wewe unasema Serikali ime correspondence na Kubenea kuanzia leo asubuhi kwa back and forth nne!

Hizo dataz inawezekana zimetengenezwa!
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Hadi ref numbers zimewekwa hapa bado huamini tu? Mkuu hapa ulitaka upewe nini zaidi?
 
Hii habari vipi? Naona iko sawa na ya Kubenea, je nao wameandikiwa barua? au Mkuchika hasomi magazeti haya?

ANC saga 'could be replayed in Tanzania'

By Christopher Kidanka and Agencies

As former South Africa Defence minister Mosiuoa Lekota announced plans to lead a breakaway ANC faction yesterday, a respected Dar es Salaam-based political scientist said parallels could be drawn in Tanzania.

Prof Mwesiga Baregu of the University of Dar es Salaam said the ruling Chama Cha Mapinduzi (CCM) was showing signs of an internal struggle similar to the one that was threatening to split ANC down the middle.

But CCM publicity secretary John Chiligati scoffed at the comparison, saying the party remained united.

Yesterday, Mr Lekota was quoted as saying they were serving �divorce papers", complaining about what he called "undemocratic tendencies" in the ANC, which he said had betrayed its own principles.

In Dar es Salaam, Prof Baregu told The Citizen that what was happening in South Africa was a clash between conservatives and modernists.

He said an ANC split was inevitable after Mr Thabo Mbeki was ousted from the party's presidency last December before he was forced to step down as South African president last month, a year before completing his second and final term.

"There have always been clashes within ANC, and this reached a crescendo when workers, youth and women dropped Mbeki in favour of Zuma," he said.

Prof Baregu said that the same fate could befall CCM which was facing similar challenges as its South African counterpart.

"There are two ANCs�one that is pro-Freedom Charter and the other which embraces market economy. These two are in constant struggle. The same can be said of CCM which is ideologically split into one group which is pro-Arusha Declaration and socialism and the other which can be said to be pro-corruption. We can say that what has happened in South Africa will inevitably happen in Tanzania," he said.

Prof Baregu said there was a struggle within CCM pitting traditionalists who wanted to maintain socialist attitudes and leadership ethics as preached by Mwalimu Nyerere and those who had deviated from the party's original ideals.

But Mr Chiligati said ANC president Jacob Zuma had assured CCM that ANC would remain strong despite the turmoil it was going through.

"Two weeks ago Zuma was here and we talked at length about the problems within his party, and he assured us that ANC would never split.

"We voiced our concern about the conflict pitting factions aligned to Mbeki and Zuma and he told us that what was happening was part of democracy and that there was nothing to worry about," Mr Chiligati.

South African President Kgalema Motlanthe has downplayed reports of a split within ANC, saying a splinter group could not pose a serious threat.

Mr Lekota did not announce a new grouping yesterday as had earlier been predicted although he said the ANC was close to splitting.

"This is probably the parting of the ways ... We hope that sense may still prevail in us... If not there's no going back," he said.

He called for a congress of forces opposed to the ANC 's current policies and direction within four weeks but said he had not spoken to opposition parties.

Flanked by another ANC dissident, former deputy defence minister Mluleki George, he added: "Logically it seems that this is the end of it."

It was not clear how much support Mr Lekota, a former ANC chairman, had although he said hundreds of local party supporters had resigned and regional and provincial ANC branches were contemplating leaving.

Most analysts played down the impact of any breakaway party unless it was joined by ANC heavyweights including Mr Mbeki. They said the party leadership might welcome the departure of dissidents to restore unity.

Mr Mbeki was forced out last month and replaced by Motlanthe after a judge accused the former president of meddling in a graft case against Mr Zuma. Mr Motlanthe is expected to step down after elections expected around April 2009.

Mr Lekota said those opposing the present leadership of the party would need to be in some kind of organisation but said there must be consultation first on the way forward.

He said he was living with an "uneasy sense that the African National Congress has started moving away from the cause that attracted us."

Mr Mbeki sacked Mr Zuma from the deputy presidency in 2005 after Mf Zuma was implicated in a corruption trial. Mr Zuma was elected ANC leader on December 18, 2007 after defeating Mr Mbeki.

Mr Robert Sobukwe formed the Pan-Africanist Congress of Azania (PAC) in 1959, breaking away from the ANC. The split took place as Mr Sobukwe pressed for South Africa to be returned to its indigenous people. He accused the ANC of being contaminated by non-African values.

The South African Native National Congress was formed in January 1912 in Bloemfontein, in response to legislation denying political rights to the black population.

It changed its name to the African National Congress in 1923. Its early leaders wanted a gradual extension of the electoral franchise on the British model. The party failed to moderate the race policies of successive white governments.
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More dataz ni kwamba:-

Kuna mpango uliokuwa umepangwa na mafisadi kupitia kwa Makamba wa kulifungia gazeti hili anyaways, Rostam alimjaribu kumpa rushwa nzito Kubenea, ikiwa ni hela pamoja gari jipya SUV ili aaache kuwaandika kwenye magazeti yake, lakini Saidi akakataa kata kata kuwa hawezi kulifanyia hayo taifa lake,

Kwa hiyo the next thing, mafisadi wakaamua kujenga hoja ya kwamba Kubenea ataharibu nafasi ya CCM kushinda Tarime, kwa hiyo dawa ni kutafuta sababu na kumfungia mpaka uchaguzi uishe, na more dataz ni kwamba originally Makamba alipewa nafasi hii ya ukatibu na Lowassa, akwia Waziri Mkuu, kwa hiyo uaminifu wake wote ni kwa Lowassa kwa hiyo alipopewa hii kazi ya kulifungia gazeti, akam-contact Mkuchika naibu wake huko CCM, ili ijengwe hii hoja ijengwe kupitia serikalini ambako Mkuchika ni waziri wa habari.

Hivi karibuni kwenye kikao kimoja cha mafisadi, Karamagi na Subashi, walisikiak wakilalamika sana kuwa kundi hilo linapoteza hela nyingi sana bila strong results, na hasa kwenye kesi ya Nape, ambayo wametumia hela nyingi sana lakini bado Nape is a hero kwenye the society, sasa walikuwa wana-question kama ni worthy kuendelea na hizo juhudi ambazo waliziita ni mufilisi na kwamba wao ndio kwanza wanazidi kuchafuka mbele ya macho ya jamii.

Kama kawaida tunaendeelea ku-monitor more dataz na tutaziweka hapa hapa.
 
Field Marshall ES said:
More dataz ni kwamba:-

Kuna mpango uliokuwa umepangwa na mafisadi kupitia kwa Makamba wa kulifungia gazeti hili anyaways, Rostam alimjaribu kumpa rushwa nzito Kubenea, ikiwa ni hela pamoja gari jipya SUV ili aaache kuwaandika kwenye magazeti yake, lakini Saidi akakataa kata kata kuwa hawezi kulifanyia hayo taifa lake,

Kwa hiyo the next thing, mafisadi wakaamua kujenga hoja ya kwamba Kubenea ataharibu nafasi ya CCM kushinda Tarime, kwa hiyo dawa ni kutafuta sababu na kumfungia mpaka uchaguzi uishe, na more dataz ni kwamba originally Makamba alipewa nafasi hii ya ukatibu na Lowassa, akwia Waziri Mkuu, kwa hiyo uaminifu wake wote ni kwa Lowassa kwa hiyo alipopewa hii kazi ya kulifungia gazeti, akam-contact Mkuchika naibu wake huko CCM, ili ijengwe hii hoja ijengwe kupitia serikalini ambako Mkuchika ni waziri wa habari.

Hivi karibuni kwenye kikao kimoja cha mafisadi, Karamagi na Subashi, walisikiak wakilalamika sana kuwa kundi hilo linapoteza hela nyingi sana bila strong results, na hasa kwenye kesi ya Nape, ambayo wametumia hela nyingi sana lakini bado Nape is a hero among the society, sasa walikuwa wana-question kama ni worthy kuendelea na hizo juhudi ambazo waliziita ni mufilisi na kwamba wao ndio wkanza wanazidi kuchafuka mebel ya macho ya jamii.

Kama kawaida tunaendeelea ku-monitor more dataz na tutaziweka hapa hapa.
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Kwa Tarime nafikiri mkuu wananchi wamechoka na CCM kwa mda mrefu wala wasituletee sababu zingine.
 
Kubenea endelea na moyo huo huo!usibabaishwe na vijisenti vya mafisadi!Usiwe kama Raisi wetu ambae kakosa mwelekeo kwa kumixiwa na mafisadi
 
Field Marshall ES said:
More dataz ni kwamba:-

Kuna mpango uliokuwa umepangwa na mafisadi kupitia kwa Makamba wa kulifungia gazeti hili anyaways, Rostam alimjaribu kumpa rushwa nzito Kubenea, ikiwa ni hela pamoja gari jipya SUV ili aaache kuwaandika kwenye magazeti yake, lakini Saidi akakataa kata kata kuwa hawezi kulifanyia hayo taifa lake,

Kwa hiyo the next thing, mafisadi wakaamua kujenga hoja ya kwamba Kubenea ataharibu nafasi ya CCM kushinda Tarime, kwa hiyo dawa ni kutafuta sababu na kumfungia mpaka uchaguzi uishe, na more dataz ni kwamba originally Makamba alipewa nafasi hii ya ukatibu na Lowassa, akwia Waziri Mkuu, kwa hiyo uaminifu wake wote ni kwa Lowassa kwa hiyo alipopewa hii kazi ya kulifungia gazeti, akam-contact Mkuchika naibu wake huko CCM, ili ijengwe hii hoja ijengwe kupitia serikalini ambako Mkuchika ni waziri wa habari.

Hivi karibuni kwenye kikao kimoja cha mafisadi, Karamagi na Subashi, walisikiak wakilalamika sana kuwa kundi hilo linapoteza hela nyingi sana bila strong results, na hasa kwenye kesi ya Nape, ambayo wametumia hela nyingi sana lakini bado Nape is a hero among the society, sasa walikuwa wana-question kama ni worthy kuendelea na hizo juhudi ambazo waliziita ni mufilisi na kwamba wao ndio wkanza wanazidi kuchafuka mebel ya macho ya jamii.

Kama kawaida tunaendeelea ku-monitor more dataz na tutaziweka hapa hapa.
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Mkuu asante sana kwa hii nyeti...safari ni ndefu sana Mungu atujalie tufike tuendako na taifa letu Tanganyika..
 
Originally Posted by Kuhani
Hizi shuttle correspondence za barua nne ( Wizara kwa Kubenea, Kubenea kuomba muda, Wizara kukataa, Kubenea kujieleza) ni e-mail au ? Mkuu kwa dataz! Ha haaaaa aaaaaa! Jana Wizara ilitangaza kwamba imetuma barua, na inataka majibu by leo.

Kubenea akasema jana siku nzima hajapokea hiyo barua na alikuwa ofisini: "...taarifa hiyo ya serikali ikija tutaipokea, tutaijadili na kuitafakari kisha tutawajibu."

Wewe unasema Serikali ime correspondence na Kubenea kuanzia leo asubuhi kwa back and forth nne!

Hizo dataz inawezekana zimetengenezwa!

Quote gm:-

Mkuu, sirikali si nia ma-messenger kibao wa kukimbia kupeleka hizi, LOL
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Hata kama barua ziliandikwa jana au juzi na serikali, Mwanahalisi wamepata barua ya kwanza leo asubuhi, na kwa sababu Mhariiri mkurugenzi amesafiri, ndio imebidi Kubenea aijibu, baada ya kuipata tu kuwa anakwenda mahakamani leo hana nafasi ya kujibu apewe nafasi mpaka Jumatatu kujibu, lakini serikali ikamletea nyingine baada ya masaa machache kumtaka ajibu by saa tisa na nusu mchana, he did.

Kama unaamini with all your heart kuwa nimetengenza hizi dataz then hukuwa basi na sababu ya kuingia kwa jina moja unaunga mkono dataz halafu wka jina lingine unakaataa, ndio maana nilishasema siku nyingi kuwa nilishakudharau siku nyingi sana kua ni lazima una kichaa cha mbwa bro, na watu wengi sana hapa JF walishaku-examine tabia zako hapa na kukubaliana na mimi, maana no way binadam mwenye akili timamu anaweza ku-behave kama wewe, no way!

Halafu huwa ninasikitiska sana ninapokumbuka huko nyuma kwamba kuna wakati mmoja kwenye maisha yangu niliwahi hata kushirikiana na mtu kama wewe, hilo huwa linanila sana bro sio siri, kwamba how niliweza kushirikiana na mtu low kama wewe,

Anyways, tunaendeelea ku-monitor situation na tutaleta more dataz hutaki ni kupasuka tu bro maana tunazidi kuzileta.
 
Originally Posted by First Lady
Kubenea endelea na moyo huo huo!usibabaishwe na vijisenti vya mafisadi!Usiwe kama Raisi wetu ambae kakosa mwelekeo kwa kumixiwa na mafisadi

MMJ: yeah right...
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Kumbe na wewe umemshitukia? Saafi sana nilifikri nipo peke yangu tu!
 
Kuhani said:
Hizi shuttle correspondence za barua nne ( Wizara kwa Kubenea, Kubenea kuomba muda, Wizara kukataa, Kubenea kujieleza) ndani ya masaa, ni e-mail au ? Mkuu kwa dataz! Ha haaaaa aaaaaa!

Jana Wizara ilitangaza kwamba imetuma barua, na inataka majibu by leo.

Kubenea akasema jana siku nzima hajapokea hiyo barua na alikuwa ofisini: “...taarifa hiyo ya serikali ikija tutaipokea, tutaijadili na kuitafakari kisha tutawajibu.”

Wewe unasema Serikali ime correspond na Kubenea kuanzia leo asubuhi kwa back and forth nne!

Hizo dataz inawezekana zimetengenezwa!
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Mkuu umefikia wapi na uchunguzi wako wa Dr Masau na heart institute, wadau tunakusubiri hapa...
 
Mkuu umefikia wapi na uchunguzi wako wa Dr Masau na heart institute, wadau tunakusubiri hapa...
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Mkuu wangu Ushi Wa Rombo,

Heshima mbele sana, msimpe nafasi huyu jamaa akaharibu flaw ya hii habari maana bado, tunaendelea kuzi-monitor hizi habri muhimu sana maana some how somewhere ninaamini kwamba jipu linataka kupasuka huko ndani ya CCM.

Sasa msimpe nafasi huyu jamaa kuubadili huu mjadala kuwa yeye kama anavyotaka sasa badala ya taifa letu, mind you huyu jamaa wala sio raia wa Tanzania kama mimi na wewe, ndio maana hulilia sana dual-citizen ipitishwe, lakini tulishawafahamisha wabunge wengi kwua wakipitisha hiyo basi Tanzania tutegemee watu wengi kama huyu bwana kuja kutuchafulia amani ya taifa letu.
 
Cha ajabu ni kuwa issue ya mwanahalisi na kubenea imekuwa priority ya serikali na wala sio umeme au mambo mengine basi kama wanaweza hivi wangeshikia bango ufisadi basi wawaandikie mafisadi basi barua wajieleze kwa nini wasichukuliwe hatua za kisheria, kweli maji hayapandi mlima............
 
Kubenea hawezi kukurupuka ku engage kwenye ma corresponce manne katika siku moja bila kukutana na handlers wake.

Isitoshe, gazeti la serikali la jana (Daily News/Habari Leo) liliandika kwamba Wizara imemuandikia barua Kubenea na ajibu by today. Kubenea akasema hajapata hiyo barua siku nzima na alikuwa ofisini siku nzima. Huyu mleta dataz anasema corresponce nne zimeanza na kukamilika leo. Inawezekana hizi dataz ni za kutengeneza tu. Kuamini amini vitu bila kufikiri ndio vimetufikisha hapa tulipo na nchi yetu hii!
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Kubenea amepata barua ya kwanza ya serikali leo asubuhi akiwa anajitayarisha kwenda mahakamani, amejibu na kujibiwa zote leo leo, MMJ ataongea naye leo sasa wewe ni kump haya maswali yako ili Kubenea akusaidie atakapojibu, kuna watu mmezoea aibu tu kwenye maisha eti nianweza kutengeneza hizi dataz, ni lazima binadam uwe insane kuweza kufikiri that level! Bwa! ha! ha! ha! ha!
 
Tutamsikiliza Kubenea akizungumza na tutamhoji mambo hayo within the hour exclusive at KLHN
 
..kuna uwezekano mkubwa hawa jamaa watafungiwa..

lakini my take ni kuwa ..muungwana badala ya kumuona kubenea adui ..ingebidi amshukuru kwa kumgutua usingizini kuhusu mpango wa kum MBEKILIZE...inawezekana kabisa kuwa yule zeezeta wake rashid..hakuwa na hizi taarifa kwa umakini kama kubenea.....
 
lakini my take ni kuwa ..muungwana badala ya kumuona kubenea adui ..ingebidi amshukuru kwa kumgutua usingizini kuhusu mpango wa kum MBEKILIZE...inawezekana kabisa kuwa yule zeezeta wake rashid..hakuwa na hizi taarifa kwa umakini kama kubenea.....
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Mkuu heshima mbele sana, Muungwana hana tatizo na Kubenea, hapa wenye tatizo ni mafisadi wakimtumia Makamba, ambaye ni bosi wa Mkuchika kule CCM na pia ni waziri wa habari,

Ninaamini kuwa muungwana ataingilia kati na kujiokoa na aibu, maana kama ni Tarime nasikia kua uwezekano ni mdogo sana kwa CCM, tena nimepata dataz sasa hivi wkamba CUF wameungana na Chadema huko eti ni kweli hizi au?
 
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