MJADALA: Kwanini Padri Luther aliondoa baadhi ya vitabu kwenye Biblia, na kwanini alijiondoa kanisa Katoliki?

[Kitaja]

Kwa mujibu wa Ndaga na Kitaja Wakatoliki watakuwa ni wapagani.....!

Hapa tunaelimishana tu ili ukweli uwekwe wazi na tuufuate tupate wokovu.

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Hapa tunaelimishana tu ili ukweli uwekwe wazi na tuufuate tupate wokovu.

You again! Ngoja nikae sawa!

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Ni sawa kabisa, na hawa Wakristo

Hujanijibu hapa ..Ni Wakristo gani hao...? Walikuwa hawana jina...? Origin yao ni wapi...? Waliishi wapi..? Jibu haya maswali kwanza...

ndio waliofanya kazi ya kukusanya pamoja maadiko ya agano jipya wakiunganisha na yale ya agano la kale

Tupe hatua za Ukusanyaji wa Biblia...? Je! Walikusanyaje...? Nyaraka zilikuwa ngapi..? Vitabu vya Ufunuo vilikuwa vingapi...? Injili zilikuwa ngapi...???

,kisha ikapatikana Biblia moja

Unafikiri hiyo moja ilikuja kirahisi...? Unafamu zilikuwa Injili ngapi kabla ya kuziona hizi nne....?? Unafikiri Biblia uonayo ilikuwa kama ilivyo...Hujui kuwa ni mchakato uliochukua karne na karne....Hujui kuwa ni vitabu makumi kwa mamia viliachwa...? Nakuuliza tena unaijua historia...??? Hatuko kwenye mihemko hapa..

.Inashangaza Roman Catholic Church wanapojipa madaraka ya kuwa wao ndio waandishi wa Biblia

Siyo kujipa madara...Biblia ni ya Kanisa Katoliki...Yenyewe ndio yenye hati miliki...Ime-compile na kukusanya na kuweka kwenye Canon Order uionayo sasa....

ilihali kanisa la roma limeanzishwa rasmi katikati ya karne ya 3 na 4.

Nani kakudanganya hapa..!? Tupe source ya huu uongo wako..

Kipiindi hicho mitume wote wakiwa wamekufa.

Hivi unafahamu Irekia ya Mapapa wewe...? Papa wa Kwanza Papa Petro alianza mwaka 33 mpaka 67....
Alifuata Papa Linius mwaka 67 mpaka Mwaka 76...,Na list hii inaendelea mpaka Papa Francis....Sasa utasemaje kanisa limeanza Karne ya 3.... Njia ya muongo ni fupi mno....

Mfalme wa kirumi Constantino ndiye alikuwa wa kwanza kutangaza muungano baina ya dola na kanisa mnamo mwaka 313 AD na kukomesha nateso kwa wakristo

Mpaka huo mwaka kulikuwa na mapapa zaidi yac10 Madarakani....Naendelea kukumbua na uongo wako...

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Wakaiita Roman Catholic Church yaani kanisa la kirumi la mahali popote

Sijui unapotosha historia ya minajili gani...??? Hivi unafikiri nitakaa kimya kukuona unapotosha historia...Historia huwa hipotoshwi kamwe....Neno Roman lilianza kutumika mikaka ya 1600 ya Anglicans...Hakuna Church Documents yoyote utakuta imeandikwa Roman Catholic, bali ni Catholic Church...

.Catholic simply meant " everywhere".

Yes! Catholic ni neno lenye Asili ya Kigiriki inayomasnisha kuenea kote,

Na Papa wa kwanza alianza mwaka 538 AD

Hahahahahahaha....umenifanya nicheke sana...Papa wa Kwanza alianza lini....

Unataka nikuletee Chronological Order ya Pope kuanzia Petro mpaka Francis..? Angalia utachekwa hapa....Kama hukui kitu ni bora kukaa kimya..

.Nitaeleza vizuri wakati mwingine nikijaliwa katika thread nyingine.Leo ngoja niishie hapa.

Utaendeleza nini sasa??? Huoni hata aibu kuandika 1+1=22 angali ni jibu ni 2...?

Nipo...

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Hapa tunaelimishana tu ili ukweli uwekwe wazi na tuufuate tupate wokovu.

Unaongelea ukweli gani...? Wokovu gani huo unauongelea wewe...?

Wasabato mna wokovu gani..?

 

[Kitaja]

Tafadhali sana ndg Ndaga na Kitaja ningependa kujua Rumi wali practise vp mafundisho ya kipagani chini ya Roman Catholic

Kwa kuleta ibada ya sanamu kanisani

 

[cheichei2010]

kiukweli umekuwa mkristo usie na faida.
kuabudu miungu na kuvunja amri za Mungu ndiko kunakutesa mpaka umkosoe martini luther.
kajipange upya na hoja zako zenye kukinzana na imani ya ukristo.

Luther nae Kama binadamu alikua na mapungufu yake.

 

[fastum]

In the year 1611 the Bible was translated from Latin into English. Back then the Bible contained a total of 80 books and the last 14 books, which today have been excluded, made up the end of the Old Testament and were as follows:

1 Esdras2 EsdrasTobitJudithThe rest of EstherThe Wisdom of SolomonEcclesiasticusBaruch with the epistle JeremiahThe Songs of the 3 Holy childrenThe history of Susanabel and the dragonThe prayer for Manasses1 Maccabees2 Maccabees

In 1684 all of these books were removed from all versions except for a 1611 edition, which was the very first edition translated into English.

In this first edition you will also actually find that Jesus’ name is spelled IESUS and pronounced Yahashua. So why then does everyone continue to call him Jesus, when the letter J did not even being used at the time?

One of these books that is particularly interesting, is the “Wisdom of Solomon”. For those who don’t know Solomon is one of the most legendary characters from the Bible. He was the son of David and is alleged to be the wisest man that has ever lived. He is painted largely as a benevolent figure. But what you read in this book will make you question everything you were told to believe about him.

Observe the following excerpt;

Wisdom of Solomon 2:1-24

1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.
2 For we are born at all adventure: and we shall be hereafter as though we had never been: for the breath of our nostrils is as smoke, and the little spark in the moving of our heart
3 Which being extinguished, our body shall be turned into ashes, and our spirit shall vanish as the soft air,
4 And our name shall be forgotten in time, and no man shall have our works in remembrance, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, that is driven away, with the beams of the sun, and overcome with the heat thereof.
5 For our time is very shadow that passeth away; and after our end there is no returning: for it is fast sealed, so that no man cometh again.
6 Come on there for let us enjoy the good things that are present: and let us speedily use the creatures like as in youth.
7 Let us fill ourselves with costly wine and ointments: and let no flower of the Spring pass by us.
8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds, before they be withered:
9 Let none of us go without his part of our voluptuousness: let us leave tokens of our joyfulness in every place: for this is our portion and our lot is this.
10 Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.
11 Let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.
12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because HE is not of our turn, and HE is clean contrary to our doings. He upbraideth us with our offending of the law, and ojecteth to our infamy the transgression of our education.
13 HE professeth to have the knowledge of the MOST HIGH, and calleth HIS self the child of the LORD.
14 HE was made to reprove our thoughts
15 HE is grievous unto us even to behold, for HIS life is not like other men’s, HIS ways are of another fashion.
16 We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father.
17 Let us see if HIS words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of HIM.
18 For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.
19 Let us examine HIM with despitefulness and torture, that we may know HIS meekness and prove HIS patience.
20 Let us condemn HIM with a shameful death: for by HIS own mouth HE shall be respected…..

This raises a number of important questions

Who is Solomon speaking of killing with a “shameful death”?Why did the Vatican vote to have these 14 books removed from the Bible?Why did Solomon sound so crazy and evil in this book?

It seems that Solomon was speaking of Jesus. But Jesus was born roughly 900 years after his death. Could he have prophesied Jesus’ coming? Let’s consider why this could be who Solomon was talking about;

They killed the SON with a shameful deathThe SON’s actions or fashions were different from everyone else’sHE claims to be and IS the child of The MOST HIGHHe was a righteous poor man who would look at Solomon and others like him as “counterfeits”.HE professeth to have knowledge of The MOST HIGH

Then listen to what Solomon has to say:

HE was made to reprove (criticize) our thoughtsWe are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS fatherFor if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.

And one last thing I would like to point out is when Solomon says;

Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.

This really disrupts everything we thought we knew. Solomon really and truly sounds evil. He is also alleged to be the wisest man in history.

Interestingly, Solomon is a man who was engulfed in the occult, he worshiped multiple gods and was weak for women. And the famous Temple of Solomon is considered to be the spiritual birth place of Freemasonry, a movement that is (at the highest levels) associated with pulling the strings of major global events and argued to be the true controlling power of our world.

Whatever is really going on here, we should certainly research it further.

 

[Kitaja]

Unaongelea ukweli gani...? Wokovu gani huo unauongelea wewe...?

Wasabato mna wokovu gani..?

Wokovu ni kwa kila mtu amwaminiye Yesu.Yohana 3:16

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Wokovu ni kwa kila mtu amwaminiye Yesu.Yohana 3:16

Wasabato mnamwamini Yesu au Ellen G White..?

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Kwa kuleta ibada ya sanamu kanisani

Ibada ya Sanamu imefanyaje..? Unaposema ibada ni nini hasa unamaanisha...?

 

[Kitaja]

Ibada ya Sanamu imefanyaje..? Unaposema ibada ni nini hasa unamaanisha...?

Kutoka 20: 4-6. Usijifanyie sanamu ya kuchonga, wala mfano wa kitu cho chote kilicho juu mbinguni, wala kilicho chini duniani, wala kilicho majini chini ya dunia. (5)Usivisujudie wala kuvitumikia; kwa kuwa mimi, Bwana, Mungu wako, ni Mungu mwenye wivu; nawapatiliza wana maovu ya baba zao, hata kizazi cha tatu na cha nne cha wanichukiao,
(6) nami nawarehemu maelfu elfu wanipendao, na kuzishika amri zangu.

Kusujudia sanamu hiyo ndiyo ibada ya sanamu, Mungu amekataza, upo hapo?

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Kutoka 20: 4-6. Usijifanyie sanamu ya kuchonga, wala mfano wa kitu cho chote kilicho juu mbinguni, wala kilicho chini duniani, wala kilicho majini chini ya dunia. (5)Usivisujudie wala kuvitumikia; kwa kuwa mimi, Bwana, Mungu wako, ni Mungu mwenye wivu; nawapatiliza wana maovu ya baba zao, hata kizazi cha tatu na cha nne cha wanichukiao,

Hiyo Amri Mungu hajakataza kuchonga, ila alichokataza ni kuziabudu, yani hizo sanamu kuzifanya zichukue nafasi ya Mungu....
Inaugumu gani kuelewa huo mstari....?

Ungeenda mbele kidogp uone Mungu huyo huyo anayekataza kuchonga sanamu anamruhusu Musa kuchonga sanamu ya nyoka wa shaba...

(6) nami nawarehemu maelfu elfu wanipendao, na kuzishika amri zangu.

Hapo walikuwa wanaambiwa Waebrania...

Kusujudia sanamu hiyo ndiyo ibada ya sanamu, Mungu amekataza, upo hapo?

Ni kweli kusujudia kwa lengo la kuiabudu hiyo sanamu badala ya Mungu, yaani kuipa hiyo sanamu nafasi ya Mungu ni machukizo na ni ibada ya Sanamu...

 

[Kitaja]

Hiyo Amri Mungu hajakataza kuchonga, ila alichokataza ni kuziabudu, yani hizo sanamu kuzifanya zichukue nafasi ya Mungu....
Inaugumu gani kuelewa huo mstari....?

Ungeenda mbele kidogp uone Mungu huyo huyo anayekataza kuchonga sanamu anamruhusu Musa kuchonga sanamu ya nyoka wa shaba...

Hapo walikuwa wanaambiwa Waebrania...



Ni kweli kusujudia kwa lengo la kuiabudu hiyo sanamu badala ya Mungu, yaani kuipa hiyo sanamu nafasi ya Mungu ni machukizo na ni ibada ya Sanamu...

Duh! kweli walimu wako walikuwa na kazi...sasa unakataa nini na unakubali nini? Neno la Mungu liko wazi, ibada ya sanamu yaani kutengeneza sanamu ya kitu chochote hata ukipe jina gani zuri, hiyo ni ibada ya sanamu na imekatazwa period. Na hapa Mungu alikuwa hawambii waebrania peke yao, bali maelfu na maelfu wampendao Mungu. Neno la Mungu halina ukomo wa muda.

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Hapa tunaelimishana tu ili ukweli uwekwe wazi na tuufuate tupate wokovu.

Wewe unajitia unajua kumbe hujijui kuwa hujui(MPUMBAVU) Kwani Wakatoliki hawafuati njia ya wokovu au Wakatoliki sio waokuvu....?nataka nikuhakikishie Roman Catholic ndio Kanisa lililoachwa na Yesu Kristo,maandiko yapo na historia zipo ukitaka tuziweke huku zitawekwa tuu.

 

[Kitaja]

Wewe unajitia unajua kumbe hujijui kuwa hujui(MPUMBAVU) Kwani Wakatoliki hawafuati njia ya wokovu au Wakatoliki sio waokuvu....?nataka nikuhakikishie Roman Catholic ndio Kanisa lililoachwa na Yesu Kristo,maandiko yapo na historia zipo ukitaka tuziweke huku zitawekwa tuu.

Matusi ya yule muovu na wafuasi wake kwani matusi ni dhambi

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Matusi ya yule muovu na wafuasi wake kwani matusi ni dhambi

Upumbavu sio tusi Bali ni tabia

 

[Kitaja]

Upumbavu sio tusi Bali ni tabia

Na kweli unaidhihirisha hapa

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Na heri ya mjinga kuliko mpumbavu maana mjinga huwa Siku zote huwa hajui kwa hiyo anataka kujua lkn mpambavu anajitia anajua kumbe hajui alafu hajijui kuwa hajui

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Na usipende kuwa na tabia za mpumbavu jitahidi kuwa mjinga utajua vtu na utafaidi sana,Kanisa Katoliki lilianza kupigwa mawe Siku nyingi mno lkn haliyumbi kingekuwa ni kikundi ambacho hakina mpango wa Mungu kingefutika,yani nyie sio kwamba mnaanza wako tena walikuwa na utaalamu mkubwa wa kuandika vitabu kwaajili ya kulidhoofisha Kanisa lkn wapi...wamekufa na wameliacha Kanisa likiwa limesimama tena limesambaa ulimwenguni kwelikweli,sasa ni hukumu juu yao huko walipo.

 

[Kitaja]

Na usipende kuwa na tabia za mpumbavu jitahidi kuwa mjinga utajua vtu na utafaidi sana,Kanisa Katoliki lilianza kupigwa mawe Siku nyingi mno lkn haliyumbi kingekuwa ni kikundi ambacho hakina mpango wa Mungu kingefutika,yani nyie sio kwamba mnaanza wako tena walikuwa na utaalamu mkubwa wa kuandika vitabu kwaajili ya kulidhoofisha Kanisa lkn wapi...wamekufa na wameliacha Kanisa likiwa limesimama tena limesambaa ulimwenguni kwelikweli,sasa ni hukumu juu yao huko walipo.

Hivi unatambua kuwa Papa Yohana Paulo II aliomba radhi kwa wayahudi na watu wote walioteswa na kuuawa na kanisa katoliki? ikiwa kanisa katoliki ndilo lililopigwa mawe ilikuwaje papa aombe radhi kutokana na kanisa hilohilo kumwaga damu isiyo na hatia?