Mtume Muhammad: Jamii isipotoshwe; Jua huzama katika Chemchemu ya matope Meusi na Mazito

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Unalia lia nini hadithi umeleta mwenyewe Mohamadi yupo chooni , imekugeuka unabaki kutapatapa kama kuku Mwenye kideli, wewe kunya maporini ustaarabu wa choo ni wetu sisi waislamu Ahahahahaaaahqa Ahahahhahahahaahjhhahaja
 
Gavana said:
LETE USHAHIDI WA HIYO MIUJIZA NJE YA BIBLIA
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Miujiza ya yesu ilionekana kwa macho na kila mtu.Ushahidi gani zaidi unautaka.Quran inadhihirisha miujiza ya Yesu
6 Top Jesus Miracles In Quran Kareem (History of Islam)
The Miracles of Prophet Jesus

Naanza kuhisi kuwa wewe uelewa wako ni mdogo sana aisee.Madrasa hukufundishwa haya?
Njoo na hoja nyingine.Miujiza ya Yesu na manabii wote haikuhitaji scientific reasoning wala ushahidi wa kuisupport kwa sababu ilionekana dhahiri.Hatuhitaji profesa au mtafiti.Ya Bob Mudy ndo inahitaji science kuielezea kwa sababu inatia mashaka.
Mshukuruni sana Padre Waraqah kuwapa wahy
 

HUKUNIJIBU KULE JUU UMEKUJA KWENYE QURAN AMBAYO WEWE HUIAMINI
SASA NIAMBIE NI AYA GANI ILISEMA YESU ALIGEUZA MAJI KUWA POMBE ???
 
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HUKUNIJIBU KULE JUU UMEKUJA KWENYE QURAN AMBAYO WEWE HUIAMINI
SASA NIAMBIE NI AYA GANI ILISEMA YESU ALIGEUZA MAJI KUWA POMBE ???
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Umeniomba nilete ushahidi nje ya biblia kuwa Yesu alifanya miujiza nimekupa unaanza kujambajamba.Yesu kafanya miujiza mingi sana ndugu yangu usikariri huo wa pombe.
Siku ukijiripua uende kwenye dangulo la mabikra 72 na pombe za kumwaga ndo utajua.
Kwa kifupi Paulo amefanya miujiza kumzidi hata Mudy soma uelimike
Au unataka nilete utafiti wa maprofesa wa marekani
 


Spit, Touch and Faith – The Miracles of Jesus​



Mark provides a prototype in which blindness is cured by faith. The tale is copied, almost word, for word by Luke (18.35,43):


"At Jericho ... blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the highway side begging. And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, Jesus, thou son of David, have mercy on me. And Jesus stood still, and commanded him to be called ... And Jesus answered and said unto him, What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? The blind man said unto him, Lord, that I might receive my sight. And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way." – Mark 10.46,52.​


Mark also reports a cure for blindness involving spit and touch, though seemingly without faith:


"And he cometh to Bethsaida and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly. – Mark 8.22,26.​


Spit is obviously an important aspect of Jesus magic and works equally well with deafness:


"He came unto the sea of Galilee ... And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech; and they beseech him to put his hand upon him. And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue; And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened. And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain." – Mark 7.31,35.​


In Matthew's report of the healing at Jericho, it is JC's touch alone that affects a cure (though he does double the magic with two blind men, not just one):


"At Jericho ... two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David ... And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I shall do unto you? They say unto him, Lord, that our eyes may be opened. So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him." – Matthew 20.29,34.​


Matthew likes the two blind men story so much he repeats it in chapter 9, with both faith and touch – but without the spit.


"Two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou son of David, have mercy on us ... and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you. And their eyes were opened." – Matthew 9.27,30.​

Curiously, the blind are always male, never female. Another indication that the Jesus yarn is pious fiction not historical fact?


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Miracle, Magic or Myth?


“And when the Devil brings forward Asclepius as the raiser of the dead and healer of all diseases, may I not say that in this matter likewise he has imitated the prophecies about Christ?”

– Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 69.​


Why would a divine being go to a pagan healing centre to perform a healing? But in the gospel yarn that is precisely what Jesus does. Unlike in a dozen or so other Jesus "healings", there is NO prayer, NO touching of hands – a word from the godman is all that is required to end the chronic illness. The punch line about picking up his bed and walking is taken from Mark 2.12.


In locating his miracle gospeller John uses the word "probatike" ("of sheep") which since the time of the Church Fathers has been equated with "sheep pool" and this in turn has been equated with the pool of Bethesda. But the identification is wrong. Washing thousands of sheep in a reservoir of such depth would have been ludicrous – and would have made the whole reservoir useless for any other purpose.


What the misidentification illustrates is that only a century after the purported "miracle" the theorists of the Church were hard-pressed to fit the fable into a valid landscape. The "sheep pool" was more probably the Pool of Israel, closer to the Sheep Gate and closer to Temple Mount (it is now covered by a car park) – and was thus identified during the Crusader period. But if the Jesus miracle is moved further west to this pool the rest of the story doesn't fit at all! Why would the sick gather around a sheep dip?


Notice that the paralytic in John's yarn does NOT "believe" in Jesus (a shortcoming which in Nazareth prevented JC from doing "mighty work"). He does not even know who Jesus is (John 5.13) but evidently the invalid does believe in the healing powers of the pool when "stirred up" (that is to say, by the rival god).


Amusingly, the "stirred waters" bit troubled some early Christians (a natural manifestation of the water flow but seemingly the action of non-Christian spirits). So some copies of John's gospel added in an acceptable explanation: the water was stirred by an angel of the Lord! Healing was the prize of a cruel race:


"For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had." – John 5.4.​


But if there was already Christian magic at work, what need was there for Jesus to intervene? So later versions of John removed the angel!


The second, more ominous, part of the Christian "Bethesda" message occurs a few verses later when JC again encounters the healed man. NO cheery words of encouragement from Mr Loving Kindness, NO stress upon "faith', but a threat to the poor man should he sin again.


"Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him,
Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
– John, 5.14.​


One wonders what sin a man sick for thirty eight years could have committed. Could it be worshipping the wrong god? The answer is prosaic. Woe betide you if you patronise the competition!


The priestly purpose of the "healing miracle" of Bethesda was to have Jesus neutralise the ancient magic of Asclepius.
 
Ahahahahaahahaahaha unalia lia nini kila siku unasema Mohamadi kakopi unaletewa aya Mohamadi ajawai kusoma kitabu chochote kabla ya Quran kwa hiyo kukopi inabaki kuwa ni watu uzushi na umbeya wako , tuje kwenye maswali yako
1.Waraqa kufa kila kitu kilikoma
JIBU ; wewe ni kilaza " PAUSED" ndio kukoma ebu rudi kasome tena hii lugha , waraqa kafa lakini mtume aliendelea kupokea wahyi kwa zaidi ya miaka 22 wakati huo waraqa ni marehemu , sasa uje utuambie baada ya waraqa kufa nani alimfundisha mohamadi ?

2.Uhusiano wa waraqa na Mohamadi
JIBU; wewe ni mpuuzi maelezo yako wazi huyo ni "NEPHEW" halafu unauliza ujinga ahahaahaahhajajajaja

3. Kwanini wahyi ukome kuja ?
JIBU; labda utusaidie waraqa amekufa mtume akiwa na miaka mingapi? halafu baada ya kufa mtume kakamilisha ujumbe wake baada miaka mingapi ?unaleta maswali ya kitoto hapa ahahaahahahahahahajajjajj, kuhusu kutamani kujiua kwani yeye mtume ndio wa kwanza ? mbona jambo la kawaida hili pia unaona ni hoja bureeee kabisa wewe ahahaahahahahahahajajjajj
 
Basi wewe unapingana na kitabu cha Allah kuhusu Yesu.Kwamba hakuwahi kuexist?Hayo ni maoni ya mtu na akili yake imemtuma hivyo.Kama Mtume wako kwenye ile ndoto alimuona Yesu kwenye mbingu ya saba unayasema haya kwa mamlaka ya nani?Yesu alikuwepo,yupo na atarudi tena.Kinachonishangaza ni kitabu chenu,kama mtume wa allah alisafiri kwenda mbinguni mbona hatuoneshwi wanawake sabini na mbili?Na kama nabii issa yuko mbinguni automatically ana wale mabikra 72kwa nini kwa mujibu wa quran siku akirudi ataoa?Si tunaambiwa wale wa kule ni watamu sana!Kwa nn aoe hawa wa huku kwetu uswahilini?
 


miracles of jesus ???


 


mimi nakuonyesha kuwa ushahidi wa biblia hauna mashiko ,

Gospels zote ni according to.... hakuna ushahidi wa walioandika

Hao waliokuandikia na kukutafsiria biblia na kukuletea ukristo wanasema hakuna ushahidi wa biblia kua Jesus ali exist wewe uliyeshiba kande unakuja na ujeuri humu JF na kujibadilisha ID , kwa hofu sijui ya kitu gani

wasikilize hao waliokuletea biblia wanasema kitu gani

 
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Sasa kama mzee mpumbavu unajua ni tusi vip yule aliemuita Mungu ni Mpumbavu ahahahhahahaah umempa cheo cha uprofesa hizi si bange Ahahahahhaah
WAKORINTHO wa kwanza 1:25
" kwa sababu UPUMBAVU wa Mungu, una hekima zaidi ya wanadamu, na UDHAIFU wa Mungu una nguvu zaidi ya wanadamu";

Ahahahahaahahaahaha hapo vipi nipo daraja moja na Mungu wa Paulo ahhahahahhahahh
 


A Jesus "miracle" explored


A Healing at Bethesda?

– Pagan sanctuary gets a Christian makeover!​
 


Jesus steals the magic of Asclepius!


"After this, Jesus went to Jerusalem for a religious festival. Near the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem there is a pool with five porches; in Hebrew it is called Bethesda.

A large crowd of sick people were lying in the porches - the blind, the lame, and the paralysed. A man was there who had been ill for thirty-eight years. Jesus saw him lying there, and he knew that the man had been ill for such a long time; so he asked him, “Do you want to get well?”

The sick man answered, “Sir, I have no one here to put me in the pool when the water is stirred up; while I am trying to get in, somebody else gets there first.” Jesus said to him, “Get up, pick up your mat, and walk.” Immediately the man got well; picked up his mat and started walking." – John 5.1,9.​

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During the second Jewish war of 132-135 the wrecked city of Jerusalem saw no major conflicts, although the rebel leader Simon ben Kosiba is said to have offered sacrifices at the site of the destroyed temple. Post-war a new Roman city was built on ruins which had stood abandoned for sixty years. This new colony – Aelia Capitolina – was named by Emperor Hadrian for the gods of Rome (Jupiter, Juno and Minerva) and himself (Pulbius Aelius Hadrianus).


In the northeastern sector of the new city, just beyond the eastern forum, Hadrian's architects re-developed an ancient Asclepieion. It was sited close by the Sheep Gate (later Lions' or St Stephen's Gate), beyond which Jews had marshalled vast flocks of animals intended for ritual slaughter. The healing shrine probably dates to the earliest Greek presence in the city in the 4th century BC. The existence of a pagan shrine within the shadow of Temple Mount speaks volumes about Jewish fidelity to their tribal god Yahweh.


At the pool of Bethesda, in a depression fed by natural springs, were reservoirs and pools servicing the needs of the healing sanctuary. Holistic treatment on offer at an asclepieion included massage, herbal infusions, dream interpretation and bathing. In the Hadrianic redevelopment the Asclepieion was given an enlarged precinct and a temple to the god.


The 2nd century evangelists, hustling for position in a world full of gods and convinced that they alone possessed divine truth, set out to put the rival cult out of business. It was "useful", therefore, for gospeller John to have his divine hero perform superior magic at the very spot that the god Asclepius worked his wonders. With the triumph of Constantine this shrine to a pagan god – and the rudimentary hospital that it provided – were soon reduced to ruin.
 









The deep reservoirs of Bethesda were built, possibly as early as the 2nd century BC, to store winter rains for use in the Jewish temple.


Nearby shallow pools and basins offered healing and recuperative services.
 
Gavana said:
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The deep reservoirs of Bethesda were built, possibly as early as the 2nd century BC, to store winter rains for use in the Jewish temple.


Nearby shallow pools and basins offered healing and recuperative services.
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Kitabu kisicho na shaka hakiyatambui hayo.You cant question the divinity of our Lord Jesus christ with reasoning utaumia ndugu
 
Nantahulila said:
Kitabu kisicho na shaka hakiyatambui hayo.You cant question the divinity of our Lord Jesus christ with reasoning utaumia ndugu
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HUJALAZIMISHWA KUTUMIA AKILI,

ENDELEA KUIWEKA WAKFU ITUMIWE NA WENGINE 😛😛
 
Nantahulila said:
Kitabu kisicho na shaka hakiyatambui hayo.You cant question the divinity of our Lord Jesus christ with reasoning utaumia ndugu
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Too strange to be a coincidence! ​


According to the Biblical account, Pilate offered the Jews the release of just one prisoner and the cursed race chose Barabbas rather than gentle Jesus.

But hold on a minute: in the original text studied by Origen (and in some recent ones) the chosen criminal was Jesus Barabbas – and Bar Abba in Aramaic means ‘Son of the Father’!

Are we to believe that Pilate had a Jesus, Son of God and a Jesus, Son of the Father in his prison at the same time??!!

Perhaps the truth is that a single executed criminal helped flesh out the whole fantastic fable.


Gospel writers, in scrambling details, used the Aramaic Barabbas knowing that few Latin or Greek speakers would know its meaning.
 
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