Mtume Muhammad: Jamii isipotoshwe; Jua huzama katika Chemchemu ya matope Meusi na Mazito

mgen said:

Unaona utofauti? Kuna isa ibn mariam View attachment 821242 kuna Masihi isa, halafu yule isa ambaye Babu mzee imran...unaona alivyo vurugwa na mapepo au aliprogwa na Yahudi laabid akawa anabwajaja nyie mkaona wahyi mkaanza kupia takbirr allah mkubwa

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mgen said:

Unaona utofauti? Kuna isa ibn mariam View attachment 821242 kuna Masihi isa, halafu yule isa ambaye Babu mzee imran...unaona alivyo vurugwa na mapepo au aliprogwa na Yahudi laabid akawa anabwajaja nyie mkaona wahyi mkaanza kupia takbirr allah mkubwa

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Gavana said:

Tatizo lenu mnakuwa mnatafuta ubishi hamtafuti elimu ,

Kama kweli wewe ni mtafutaji wa Elimu , Tutajie wapokezi wa hiyo hadithi

Na kuhusu Quran nimewawekea zaidi ya mara 3 majibu lakini mnarudia rudia bila kusoma chochote

Did the Noble Quran really say that the sun sets and rises on earth?


Explanation: Sun Sets in Murky Water Hadith (Sunan Abu Dawud, Musnad Ahmad)





Unreliable Hadith about Sunset in the Spring of Warm Water

What we see from analysis is that the Hadiths in which the words “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water” appear are not believed to be attributed to Prophet Muhammad (p). Thus, Muslims do not consider them to be reliable.

Now somebody may well be thinking, how it can be dismissed as not being from Prophet Muhammad p? It's simple, if you look at the analysis you will see there are numerous Hadiths with different chains of narrators (after the first three links) which all report the SAME saying of Abu Darr but they do not include the words “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water.”

So clearly both versions cannot be right.

The versions containing “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water” are based on the SAME chain of narration (see the fourth person in the chain) while the versions not containing “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water” are of 5 different chains (5 different people at the 4th link) - thus overwhelming numerical evidence shows that the Hadith containing “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water” cannot be attributed to Prophet Muhammad p. Basically it's a case of 1 person reported it with the words “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water” compared to 5 who did not report those words.

Not only this, the chain in which the words “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water” are included contains Sufyan bin Husain who was considered as a person who made mistakes in his narrations as seen in Waqar Cheema's analysis:

Muhammad ibn Sa’d said about him: “He was reliable (but) he made many mistakes in his narrations.” (Tabaqat al-Kubra, Dar al-Kotob al-Ilmiyya, Beirut, 1990, vol.7 p.227 No. 3417)

Obviously quality and quantity would mean that the Muslim does not accept this narration but rather accepts the more numerous and reliable Hadiths which are those that do NOT contain the words “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water”

There's even a theory how the words “it sets in a spring of warm/murky water” got into the Hadith by mistake - see Cheema's analysis

Cheema points out the Hadith in question is Anomolous and Defective and supplies the definitions which impugn the reliability of such hadiths:

“… the anomalous hadith is the one which a reliable transmitter relates and which is in conflict with what other people relate.” (An Introduction to the Science of Hadith, Translated by Dr. Eerik Dickinson, Garnet Publishing Ltd. Berkshire 2006 p.57)

“A defective hadith is one in which a defect impugning its soundness is detected, although it outwardly appears to be free of the defect. That may apply to an isnad made up of reliable transmitters which outwardly seems to fulfill the conditions of soundness. Someone being alone in transmitting the hadith as well as others contradicting him aid in catching the defect.” (An Introduction to the Science of Hadith, p.67)

And when a report or a part of it becomes “shaadh” it ceases to be a sahih (sound) report. For this the definition of a “Sahih hadith” will help.

Hafiz Ibn Salah writes;

“The sahih (sound) hadith is a “supported” hadith (al-hadith al-musnad), the isnad of which coheres continuously through the transmission of one upright and accurate person from another up to its point of termination. The sound hadith can be neither anomalous (shaadh) nor defective (mu’allal),” (An Introduction to the Science of Hadith, p.5)

So merely being “sahih al-isnaad” is not enough for the report itself to be sahih.

Conclusion

If you come across a Christian missionary or any other Anti-Islam zealot quoting any Hadith saying the sun “sets in a spring of warm/murky water” then just dismiss it. Kindly let that person know that the Hadith is unreliable and there are numerous Hadith which contradict that and these are the more reliable Hadith. Let the person know, the Hadith he/she is citing cannot be attributed to the Prophet - due to intellectual honesty.

For more information see analysis.

The narrations which you may come across:

Yazid bin Harun- Sufyan bin Husain- Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah- Ibrahim (b. Yazid al-Taymi)- Yazid al-Taymi- Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Hadith 3991)

Related narrations:

In Musnad Ahmad these words are part of a longer narration reported through same chain of narrators;

Abu Dharr narrated, “Once I was with the Prophet riding a donkey on which there was a saddle or a (piece of) velvet. That was at sunset. He said to me, ‘O Abu Dharr, do you know where this (sun) sets?’ I said, ‘Allah and His Messenger know better.’ He said, ‘It sets in a spring of murky water, (then) it goes and prostrates before its Lord, the Exalted in Might and the Ever-Majestic, under the Throne. And when it is time to go out, Allah allows it to go out and thus it rises. But, when He wants to make it rise where it sets, He locks it up. The sun will then say, “O my Lord, I have a long distance to run.” Allah will say, “Rise where you have set.” That (will take place) when no (disbelieving) soul will get any good by believing then.’” (Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 21459 al-Risala ed.)

This narration is quite similar to the narration found in many hadith works including Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim etc. except the words “It sets in a spring of warm water.”

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Mr.Venture said:

Ha ha ha ha na bado kwaiyo huo ndio ujanja wenu wa kuyakana maandishi yenu kwa mwendo huo hakuna maana ya mjadala maana tukiwaonesha jamaa yenu alivokuwa ignorant mnasema ooh hiyo hadithi sio kweli huyo mwanazuoni alikosea sasa sijui sisi tuwaamini nyinyi au wanazuoni wenu wakubwa walioandika vitabu vyenu quran na hadithi ambavyo ndio mwongozo wenu.
Lakini tutaendelea kuwabainishia ujanjajanja wa ndugu yenu najua ni ngumu kwenu kukiri lakini ukweli mnauona na ukweli utawaweka huru.

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Gavana said:

Ujanja



Sasa niambie huyo muyahudi uliyemfanya mungu , inakuwaje mkamfanya mwanaharamu huku mkisema eti mwanaharamu haingii katika ufalme wa Mungu

Anza kumnusuru au ndio ujanja ujanja wenu umemaliza hapa??

UKOO WA YESU

Sisi Waislamu tunaamini kwamba Bwana Yesu a.s.alikuwa Nabii wa Mungu. Na manabii wote ni watukufu na wapendwa wa Mwenyezi Mungu. Wanatoka kutoka koo takatifu.

Kuhusu ukoo wa Bwana Yesu Kristo Masihi Mwana wa Mariamu a.s. Qur'an Tukufu inaeleza kwamba:

A. Masihi bin Mariamu siye ila ni Mtume tu, bila shaka mitume wote wamekwisha fariki kabla yake, na mama yake ni mwanamke mkweli. (Qur'an 5:76).

B. (Ewe Mariam) baba yako hakuwa mtu m’baya wala mama yako hakuwa asherati. (Qur'an 19:29).


Kwa hiyo sawa na mafundisho ya dini ya Kiislamu tunamheshimu Nabii Isa a.s. (Yesu Kristo) na vile vile wazee wake.
Sisi tunashangaa sana wakati tunaposoma Biblia, tunaona Biblia inamfedhehesha Yesu Kristo vibaya sana.

Licha ya kuwa Mtume wa Mungu sawa na Biblia, Bwana Yesu haonekani hata mtu mwenye ukoo safi, bali tunalazimika kumtafautisha Isa a.s. na Yesu. Biblia inasema kwamba:

1. Kitabu cha ukoo wa Yesu Kristo, mwana wa Daudi mwana wa Ibrahim. (Mathayo 1:1).

2. Salmoni akamzaa Boazi kwa Rahabu. (Mathayo 1:5) Rahabu alikuwa kahaba (Yoshua 2:1).

3. Yuda alimzaa Peresi na Zera kwa Tamari (Mathayo 1:3). Tamari alikuwa kahaba na mzinifu. (Mwanzo 38:13-18).

4. Daudi alimzaa Sulemani kwa yule mke wa URIA (Mathayo 1:6). Beth Sheba mkewe URIA alipata mimba ya zinaa. (2 Samuel11:2-5).

Hawa mabibi wote wa Yesu Kristo walikuwa makahaba na wazinifu. Lakini sisi hatukubaliani na Biblia bali tunaona kwamba ni taka taka zilizoongezwa katika Biblia. Na kama Wakristo wanang’ang’ania usahihi wa Biblia, basi wajuwe kwamba Biblia inasema:

“Mwana wa haramu asiingie katika mkutano wa Bwana; hata kizazi cha kumi asiingie aliye wake katika mkutano wa Bwana. (Kumb. la Torati 23:2).

Enyi ndugu Wakristo! Kama mnaona kwamba Biblia bado ni sahihi basi mjue kwamba Yesu ni kizazi cha 26 ,wazinifu, hawezi kuingia katika mkutano wa Mungu.

Kama hawezi hata kuingia katika mkutano wa Mungu, ninyi mnamtegemea nini?

Karibuni, Muhammad s.a.w. anawakaribisheni kwa mikono miwili.

Kama mnaona kwamba Yesu Kristo ni mtakatifu lakini Biblia imechafuka kwa mikono ya waandishi, pia karibuni katika dini ya Kiislamu.

Qur'an kitabu cha Mungu kitawatoshelezeni. Maana sasa hakuna njia ya kusalimika isipokuwa katika dini ya Kiislam.

Kwahiyo karibuni sana.

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masoud mshahara said:

Ahahahahahaa hicho kitabu kweli mizinguo hao watu ni uzinzi kwa kwenda mbele kwa kweli kitabu hiki ni vichekesho hivi paulo alioa?

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masoud mshahara said:

Ahahahahahaa hicho kitabu kweli mizinguo hao watu ni uzinzi kwa kwenda mbele kwa kweli kitabu hiki ni vichekesho hivi paulo alioa?

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mgen said:

Unaona utofauti? Kuna isa ibn mariam [emoji117] View attachment 821242 kuna Masihi isa, halafu yule isa ambaye Babu mzee imran...unaona alivyo vurugwa na mapepo [emoji15] [emoji12] au aliprogwa na Yahudi laabid akawa anabwajaja nyie mkaona wahyi mkaanza kupia takbirr allah mkubwa [emoji38] [emoji38]

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masoud mshahara said:

umeshajibiwa unaleta vilio sasa nijibu swali langu dogo yesu kasulubiwa saa ngap? nipo hapa nakunywa kahawa nasubir jibu wacha kulialia

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Mr.Venture said:

Sijajibiwa ila jamaa kachenga. Hadithi ya jua kwenda mbinguni kuomba ruhusa ya kuchomoza imenukuliwa na Bukhari, Sahihi muslim na Al tabari ambao ndio vyanzo vyenu mnavyoamini sasa tunapowaletea jambo waliloripoti wao alafu nyie mnakuja na excuses eti ooh sawa zimeandikwa lakini sio za kweli sasa mwataka kuuambia umma kwamba hao jamaa walikuwa wanamzushia mtume na wako jehanam na kama ndivyo hakuna haja ya kuamini hata hadithi zao nyingine mnazosomeana kila siku masjid maana zimeandikwa na watu wasioaminika.

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Gavana said:

Huyu hapa ndiye Barwan


UKOO WA YESU

Sisi Waislamu tunaamini kwamba Bwana Yesu a.s.alikuwa Nabii wa Mungu. Na manabii wote ni watukufu na wapendwa wa Mwenyezi Mungu. Wanatoka kutoka koo takatifu.

Kuhusu ukoo wa Bwana Yesu Kristo Masihi Mwana wa Mariamu a.s. Qur'an Tukufu inaeleza kwamba:

A. Masihi bin Mariamu siye ila ni Mtume tu, bila shaka mitume wote wamekwisha fariki kabla yake, na mama yake ni mwanamke mkweli. (Qur'an 5:76).

B. (Ewe Mariam) baba yako hakuwa mtu m’baya wala mama yako hakuwa asherati. (Qur'an 19:29).


Kwa hiyo sawa na mafundisho ya dini ya Kiislamu tunamheshimu Nabii Isa a.s. (Yesu Kristo) na vile vile wazee wake.
Sisi tunashangaa sana wakati tunaposoma Biblia, tunaona Biblia inamfedhehesha Yesu Kristo vibaya sana.

Licha ya kuwa Mtume wa Mungu sawa na Biblia, Bwana Yesu haonekani hata mtu mwenye ukoo safi, bali tunalazimika kumtafautisha Isa a.s. na Yesu. Biblia inasema kwamba:

1. Kitabu cha ukoo wa Yesu Kristo, mwana wa Daudi mwana wa Ibrahim. (Mathayo 1:1).

2. Salmoni akamzaa Boazi kwa Rahabu. (Mathayo 1:5) Rahabu alikuwa kahaba (Yoshua 2:1).

3. Yuda alimzaa Peresi na Zera kwa Tamari (Mathayo 1:3). Tamari alikuwa kahaba na mzinifu. (Mwanzo 38:13-18).

4. Daudi alimzaa Sulemani kwa yule mke wa URIA (Mathayo 1:6). Beth Sheba mkewe URIA alipata mimba ya zinaa. (2 Samuel11:2-5).

Hawa mabibi wote wa Yesu Kristo walikuwa makahaba na wazinifu. Lakini sisi hatukubaliani na Biblia bali tunaona kwamba ni taka taka zilizoongezwa katika Biblia. Na kama Wakristo wanang’ang’ania usahihi wa Biblia, basi wajuwe kwamba Biblia inasema:

“Mwana wa haramu asiingie katika mkutano wa Bwana; hata kizazi cha kumi asiingie aliye wake katika mkutano wa Bwana. (Kumb. la Torati 23:2).

Enyi ndugu Wakristo! Kama mnaona kwamba Biblia bado ni sahihi basi mjue kwamba Yesu ni kizazi cha 26 ,wazinifu, hawezi kuingia katika mkutano wa Mungu.

Kama hawezi hata kuingia katika mkutano wa Mungu, ninyi mnamtegemea nini?

Karibuni, Muhammad s.a.w. anawakaribisheni kwa mikono miwili.

Kama mnaona kwamba Yesu Kristo ni mtakatifu lakini Biblia imechafuka kwa mikono ya waandishi, pia karibuni katika dini ya Kiislamu.

Qur'an kitabu cha Mungu kitawatoshelezeni. Maana sasa hakuna njia ya kusalimika isipokuwa katika dini ya Kiislam.

Kwahiyo karibuni sana.

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Gavana said:

Huyu hapa ndiye Barwan


UKOO WA YESU

Sisi Waislamu tunaamini kwamba Bwana Yesu a.s.alikuwa Nabii wa Mungu. Na manabii wote ni watukufu na wapendwa wa Mwenyezi Mungu. Wanatoka kutoka koo takatifu.

Kuhusu ukoo wa Bwana Yesu Kristo Masihi Mwana wa Mariamu a.s. Qur'an Tukufu inaeleza kwamba:

A. Masihi bin Mariamu siye ila ni Mtume tu, bila shaka mitume wote wamekwisha fariki kabla yake, na mama yake ni mwanamke mkweli. (Qur'an 5:76).

B. (Ewe Mariam) baba yako hakuwa mtu m’baya wala mama yako hakuwa asherati. (Qur'an 19:29).


Kwa hiyo sawa na mafundisho ya dini ya Kiislamu tunamheshimu Nabii Isa a.s. (Yesu Kristo) na vile vile wazee wake.
Sisi tunashangaa sana wakati tunaposoma Biblia, tunaona Biblia inamfedhehesha Yesu Kristo vibaya sana.

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"HATA YESU ALIUONA UNAAFIKI WENU [emoji12] UMEFIKIA MAHALI HATA HUJUI IMANI BILA MATENDO YA IMANI IMEKUFA [emoji117] LEO UMEENDA KANISANI [emoji47] [emoji15] [emoji33] [emoji33]

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Licha ya kuwa Mtume wa Mungu sawa na Biblia, Bwana Yesu haonekani hata mtu mwenye ukoo safi, bali tunalazimika kumtafautisha Isa a.s. na Yesu. Biblia inasema kwamba:

1. Kitabu cha ukoo wa Yesu Kristo, mwana wa Daudi mwana wa Ibrahim. (Mathayo 1:1).

2. Salmoni akamzaa Boazi kwa Rahabu. (Mathayo 1:5) Rahabu alikuwa kahaba (Yoshua 2:1).

3. Yuda alimzaa Peresi na Zera kwa Tamari (Mathayo 1:3). Tamari alikuwa kahaba na mzinifu. (Mwanzo 38:13-18).

4. Daudi alimzaa Sulemani kwa yule mke wa URIA (Mathayo 1:6). Beth Sheba mkewe URIA alipata mimba ya zinaa. (2 Samuel11:2-5).

Hawa mabibi wote wa Yesu Kristo walikuwa makahaba na wazinifu. Lakini sisi hatukubaliani na Biblia bali tunaona kwamba ni taka taka zilizoongezwa katika Biblia. Na kama Wakristo wanang’ang’ania usahihi wa Biblia, basi wajuwe kwamba Biblia inasema:

“Mwana wa haramu asiingie katika mkutano wa Bwana; hata kizazi cha kumi asiingie aliye wake katika mkutano wa Bwana. (Kumb. la Torati 23:2).

Enyi ndugu Wakristo! Kama mnaona kwamba Biblia bado ni sahihi basi mjue kwamba Yesu ni kizazi cha 26 ,wazinifu, hawezi kuingia katika mkutano wa Mungu.

Kama hawezi hata kuingia katika mkutano wa Mungu, ninyi mnamtegemea nini?
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"HAPO KWA AKILI ZA KISILAMU UNAJIO NI DR OF DIVINITY [emoji12] MWENYE HUKUMU ZOOTE ANASEMA HIVI [emoji117] !
Ulivyo zwazwa bado unajikomba komba kwenye kitabu ambacho kinakuitakidi wewe, allah, giburilu, baba kassim ni makafir Mpinga Kristo [emoji117] watu Wa motoni [emoji117] ulivyo zwazwa na msukule umeki-wao hicho Kitabu huku ukikiona ndio ndio mtetezi wako [emoji12] hata mshipa Wa fedheha umejifia hau [emoji33] [emoji33]
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Karibuni, Muhammad s.a.w. anawakaribisheni kwa mikono miwili.

Kama mnaona kwamba Yesu Kristo ni mtakatifu lakini Biblia imechafuka kwa mikono ya waandishi, pia karibuni katika dini ya Kiislamu.

Qur'an kitabu cha Mungu kitawatoshelezeni. Maana sasa hakuna njia ya kusalimika isipokuwa katika dini ya Kiislam.

Kwahiyo karibuni sana.

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mgen said:

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" [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] HERI NIWE MCHAWI KULIKO KUWA MFUASI WA ALLAH NA BABA FATUMA...HIVI UNAONA RAHA SANA KILA SIKU KUPULIZWA MVUTU [emoji117] View attachment 821801 kukamuliwa ngama, Kugonga kichwa ardhi, hata Mungu Amesema Hao watu wanao sujudu hawana Raha usiku wala mchana [emoji117] View attachment 821804 wee unafikiri kila mtu anapenda kuishi chooni kulabua mavi kama afanyavyo mende [emoji47] [emoji12]

Biblia ina wenyewe nao ndio sisi [emoji4] [emoji106] ona ujinga ulio c&p humu

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masoud mshahara said:

hakuna masihi isa iyo aya labda kaitunga paulo sisi tuna masihi isa mwana wa maryamu ahahahhahahha

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Gavana said:

Eti Padri shoga huwa mnamwita Father au Mother?

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Gavana said:

Mnusuru huy



Mbona hamtaki kumnusuru huyo myahudi mliyemfanya mungu ambaye kumbe biblia imemwandika ni mtoto wa kizazi cha mbio za mwenge na haingii katika ufalme wa Mungu??

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Mr.Venture said:

Sijajibiwa ila jamaa kachenga. Hadithi ya jua kwenda mbinguni kuomba ruhusa ya kuchomoza imenukuliwa na Bukhari, Sahihi muslim na Al tabari ambao ndio vyanzo vyenu mnavyoamini sasa tunapowaletea jambo waliloripoti wao alafu nyie mnakuja na excuses eti ooh sawa zimeandikwa lakini sio za kweli sasa mwataka kuuambia umma kwamba hao jamaa walikuwa wanamzushia mtume na wako jehanam na kama ndivyo hakuna haja ya kuamini hata hadithi zao nyingine mnazosomeana kila siku masjid maana zimeandikwa na watu wasioaminika.

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mgen said:

Yeye Yesu ndie Anae Tunusuru na moto alio uandaa Mungu Wa baba fatuma [emoji123] [emoji106] hata kifo Kakishinda umnusuru nini tena [emoji12] huyo baba fatuma kajisalimisha kwake [emoji117] View attachment 821863View attachment 821864 rudi kilingeni dogo [emoji4]

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mgen said:

Hii [emoji117] View attachment 821820View attachment 821821View attachment 821822 umemuona Masihi ibn isa [emoji47] [emoji4] halafu kwa akili za kisilamu utabishia...ukiambiwa baba kassim kiti alimvuruga, ukiongezea yule mlozi Yahudi laabid mkawa hamna mbegu ndani yake na kuanza kubwabwaja nyie mkawa MNAPIGA takbir mkizani wahyi [emoji12] ndio sababu Wayahudi wakamuita rainaa [emoji4]

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masoud mshahara said:

Kabla ya kujibu uwe unasoma nimekwambia atuna MASIHI ISA iyo aya labda ya paulo tapeli sisi tuna MASIHI ISA MWANA WA MARYAMU ahahahhahah na hii Mungu kafanya makusudi amkawii kusema mwana wa Mungu ahahhahahahhah bure kabisaa

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mgen said:

Sawa allah na baba kassim wamekosea ilaha wewe umepatia ni mjuzi kuliko wao kwa pamoja [emoji122] [emoji122] [emoji106] ujuzi woote ulio nao anzisha deen yako kuliko ku-edit kauli ya allah [emoji4]

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masoud mshahara said:

utapata tabu sana iyo aya aifutiki kila aya lazima iwe na isa mwana wa maryamu maana amkawii kusema mwana wa Mungu 3:45 quran huu ndio msumali wa moto na ata ikisema masihi lazima iwe masihi isa mwana wa maryamu hakuna ujanja ujanja hapa

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Gavana said:

Umesoma kipande tu ukaanza jaziba

The reason is

Because God and man, they are two opposites – Man is mortal – God is immortal.

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