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Muabudu Jiwe. jinga sana wewe.
Muhammad’s inability to comprehend the concept of Trinity is evident in the Quran.
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“People of the Book, … Do not say that there are three gods. It is better for you to stop believing in the Trinity. There is only One God.” (Quran 4: 171)
He also made up a conversation between God and Jesus where God Asks Jesus whether he has claimed to be God.
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“When God asked Jesus, son of Mary “Did you tell men to consider you and your mother as their gods besides m he replied, “Glory be to you!” How could I say what I have no right to say? Had I ever said it, You would have certainly known about it.” (Quran 5:116)
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Any rational person will agree that such conversation that would show God’s ignorance of what Jesus was doing and saying BEHIND HIS BACK is not likely. Even Muhammad was aware of the absurdity of his story. Why would he then make it up? He repeats his ignorance of the Trinity again:
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Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are.” (Quran 5:72-75).
It is evident that the Trinity that allah is talking about is composed of allah Maryam and Issa, Infering physical Union between allah and Maryam.
Even when explained that this is not the case, But the Biblical Doctrine of Trinity is of rather Father, Son and, Holy Spirit.
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Hawa ni watoto wa mapadri . Waache tu kama walivyo. Mapadri huwa hawaoi lakini huwa wanaolewa ??
Shida ya Wakiristo hawasomi dini yao wakaijua. Wao wanachoambiwa na mchungaji basi ni Hilo Hilo. Hawaruhusiwi kuuliza chochote. Matokeo yake wanakuwa hawaelewi wanachokizungumza. Na wanakuwa very ignorant when it comes to their religion.Hawa ni watoto wa mapadri . Waache tu kama walivyo. Mapadri huwa hawaoi lakini huwa wanaolewa ??
Huyo wala hasomi hapo [emoji4] ngoja uone Atakavyo kuja na c&p ya mashoga [emoji38] [emoji38]There are four original sources of the biography of Muhammad;-
1.The Sira of Ibn Ishaq
2. The History of Tabari
3. The Book of Raids of al Waqidi and
4.The Books of Classifications (Tabaqat) of Ibn Sa’d.
Sirat Ibn Ishaq, page 72: Ibn Ishaq (pronounced Is-haq, Arabic for Isaac) was a Muslim historian, born in Medina approximately 85 years after Hijra (704. died 768).
(Hijra is Muhammad’s immigration to Medina and the beginning of the Islamic calendar),
He was thefirst biographer of Muhammad and his war expeditions. His collection of stories about
Muhammad was called "Sirat al-Nabi" ("Life of the Prophet"). That book is lost. However, a systematic presentation of Ibn Ishaq's material with a commentary by Ibn Hisham (d. 834) in the form of a recension is available and translated into English. Ibn Hisham, admitted tha HE HAS DELIBERATELY OMITTED SOME OF THE STORIES THAT WERE EMBARASSING TO MUSLIMS.
Part of those embarrassing stories were salvaged by TABARI, (838–923) one of the most prominent and famous Persian historians and a commentator of the Qur’an.
Mecca is in a dry valley where nothing grows and agriculture is not possible. So the
population of the town, who belonged to a tribe called Quraysh, built a temple in the
form of a cube and dedicated it to their god. They called it the Ka’ba, which means the
cube. The major deity of the Quraysh was Hubaal (the Baal), whom they called by his
title, Al Lah (The God). The Jews and Christians also called their god, with His title Al Lah. This made some people believe they were the same. This is like confusing the
president of USA with the president of Mexico because they are both called President.
Let us get see if the following hadith is scientific and acceptable by commonsense.
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Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 414
He (Muhammad) said, “First of all, there was nothing but Allah, and (then He created His Throne). His throne was over the water, and He wrote everything in the Book (in the Heaven) and created the Heavens and the Earth.”
How this story can make sense? If there was “nothing”, how could Allah put his throne over the water? Which water? What was holding that water? How could Heavens and Earth be created after the waters? Doesn’t water need an earth to contain it, and doesn’t the earth need a heaven to hold it? Beyond the fact that the whole notion expressed in this Hadith is scientific balderdash, there is an error in the order of things created.
Isn’t the Earth a planet of the solar system, which is an insignificant part of a galaxy that is one of the billions of galaxies of the Universe? Can anyone, including Maurice Bucaille who found a lot of “$cience” in the Quran to fill his bank account (yet refused to convert to Islam), tell us which part of this is scientific?
So we can conclude that the above hadith is a fabrication because is against the dictates of commonsense and contrary to a universal rule. Or can we?
The problem is that this hadith is in conformity with the Quran and as Asif Iftikhar said “a Hadith can be regarded as a source of religious guidance only `if the basis of that Hadith exists in the Quran or the Sunnah.” What if we find something in the Quran that corroborates the above absurdity? There is more than one verse that does that. See the following:
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.” Then followed he (another) way, until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun. (Quran. 18:86, 89, 90)
The Sun rises and sets in ALL places, or to be more precise, in no place at all. One does not have to go “another way” to find it rising. This gives us the clue that Muhammad really believed that the Earth is flat and the Sun moves in the sky rising from one place and setting in another.
How can we be sure this is what Muhammad thought? The answer can be found in another hadith.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, “Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?” I replied, “Allah and His Apostle know better.” He said, “It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: “And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.” (Quran 6: 38)
Here we have a case where a hadith is confirmed by the Quran, which is ratified by another hadith and again reiterated the Quran.
Is this hadith against the science and the commonsense? It sure is. However, it is not against the Quran. The message conveyed by the hadith is wrong, despite the fact that it is an authenticated Hadith.
If we have any doubt about what Muhammad really thought of the shape of the Earth, we can safely put them to rest when we read the following verses.
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, and the mountains as pegs? Quran. 78: 6-7
Expanse” gives the idea of something flat. The Arabic word used in the Quran is mehad, (bed). Beds are made flat. They are not spherical. Furthermore, mountains are not like peg keeping the earth from shaking.
Don’t these ahadith, backed by the Quran, clearly describe a flat Earth, with the Sun rising from one end and setting in the muddy waters on the opposite end? Is there a Throne somewhere in the sky that the Sun goes under it to get permission? When and how the Sun prostrates itself? This concept sounds ludicrous. In the ancient times the common folks believed that the earth is, floating on waters, surrounded by high mountains beyond which there an abyss. Muhammad’s depiction of the cosmos made sense to his ignorant followers. But it makes no sense today.
To deny the authenticity of hadith on the ground of their logical absurdity poses a bigger problem. What to do with the equally absurd verses of the Quran? Can we dismiss the Quran because it is just as illogical as the hadith?
This is a line Muslims will never cross. So what do they do when confronted with quranic verses that are illogical? They reinterpret them esoterically. The desire to interpret the Scriptures and assign esoteric meanings to them is born out of the fact that they are crude and lack meaning.
There are two categories of Muslims. The first are those that defend Muhammad and whatever he did, irrespective of any consideration for decency, rightness or justice. They don’t deny his marriage to a 9-year-old child, his assassinations, his massacres of his prisoners of war, his genocides, his rapes, his lewdness, and his other less than admirable deeds. He is to them the perfect man, and it is not up to anyone to question his actions.
The second group, are those that deny part or all of these historic facts about Muhammad and twist the evidence to make him acceptable by the modern morality. These are called moderate Muslims. In a nutshell the moderates are the ones who deny the unsavory truth about their prophet, prefer lies to truth and live with their heads stuck
in the sands.
NB:- Quran was compiled more than 300years later after Mohammad death. And according to his child wife Ayesha and his trustworth writers Ubay et all, NOT ALL all copies of Quran were restored. Some lost in Badr war, Some eaten by Shoats. Some were destroyed by Uthman..
Unabii kuhusu Yesu ulikuwepo ndani ya Sanduku La Agano. Ova.
Shida ya Wakiristo hawasomi dini yao wakaijua. Wao wanachoambiwa na mchungaji basi ni Hilo Hilo. Hawaruhusiwi kuuliza chochote. Matokeo yake wanakuwa hawaelewi wanachokizungumza. Na wanakuwa very ignorant when it comes to their religion.
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kisla kisla umepatia kama baba fatuma jua linazama matopeni [emoji4]Let us look at what Paul said:
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Version)
40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New American Standard Bible)
40 But in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Amplified Bible)
40 But in my opinion [a widow] is happier (more blessed and to be envied) if she does not remarry. And also I think I have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New Living Translation)
40 But in my opinion it would be better for her to stay single, and I think I am giving you counsel from God’s Spirit when I say this.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (King James Version)
40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (English Standard Version)
40 Yet in my judgment she is happier if she remains as she is. And I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New King James Version)
40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my judgment—and I think I also have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (21st Century King James Version)
40 But she is happier if she so remain, in my judgment; and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (American Standard Version)
40 But she is happier if she abide as she is, after my judgment: and I think that I also have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Young's Literal Translation)
40 and she is happier if she may so remain -- according to my judgment; and I think I also have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Darby Translation)
40 But she is happier if she so remain, according to my judgment; but I think that *I* also have God's Spirit.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, in my opinion. And I think that I also have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Reader's Version)
40 In my opinion, she is happier if she stays single. And I also think that I am led by the Spirit of God in saying that.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Version - UK)
40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is— and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Today's New International Version)
40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
As virtually more than 90% of all English translations quoted Paul saying "I think",
No torturing of slaves and minorities?
No torturing of slaves by the confederates and others in America? And minorities in Medieval Christian Europe?
And no torturing done by Christians themselves in the medieval times?
"Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people." (Romans 13:3)
wewe unang'ang'ana na watu ambao si kigeze chetu [emoji12] wewe uliye agizwa umgeze muhammad kama shababi mgeze kama hukwenda kunya kwenye mtondoo gerezani [emoji4]Paul's perfect and sinless and infallible priests and ministers (pedophiles, crooks, thieves):
Today we hear about too many Christian Priests and Ministers who rape children, steal the Church's money by deceiving people, full of hypocrisy, etc... It is important to know why Christianity suffers the most from such men. It is also important to know that the man-made corrupted Bible claims that the spiritual men are perfect and sinless who judge about all things, and they are not subject to anyone's judgment.
Let us look at the following from the Bible:
"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Corinthians 2:15)"
Perhaps the Bible's worst error is this ridiculous verse, because it puts certain men above all people, almost to a GOD level. If no one can "touch" these people, as we say it today in our slang language, regardless of their sinful history, then what benefit will this do to humanity?
Yale yaleee. Upeo wako ni mdogo mno. Yaani wewe nakuona hata huna basic education. Yaani sidhani kama umefikia hata darasa la 4. Nakuonea huruma.Nyinyi Wa kuwasomea deen kafa [emoji117] View attachment 852617 View attachment 852630 matokeo yake haya [emoji117] View attachment 852622View attachment 852625View attachment 852626View attachment 852627View attachment 852628View attachment 852632 [emoji24] [emoji24] [emoji24]
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