Nairobi dry land depot not meant for Uganda

Nairobi dry land depot not meant for Uganda

Kafrican said:
SGR phase 2A ilianza kujengwa mwaka Jana June, inatarajiwa kukamilika mwaka huu Dec 2018 au Jan 2019.

Loan ya SGR iko na 10 year grace period, meaning loan yenyewe itaanza kulipwa 2023 baada ya SGR kufika Uganda. Tuko na 5 yrs left to start paying.

Lengo la sasa ni by end of year, SGR iwe inabeba 1, 200 TEUs per day, tukitumia hio cama base line

1200 TEUs per day = 1200 x 365 days = 427, 200 TEUs per year

If we use flat rate charge of 50, 000 (thr actual charge by KPA will be 80, 000)

This translates to revenue of 427200 x 50, 000 = 21,360, 000, 000 ksh per year or $213.6 Million USD per year .

The SGR perseger service makes $6.1 Million a year... lets assume that this pays all the workers, fuel + maintanance


So, for phase 1 alone.... paying back $4B will take 4, 000/213.6 = 18 yrs

18 years is a small time in paying a loan, there are loans that some countries have taken +40 yrs to pay. Infact the SGR loan payment period is 40 yrs, as not all the revenue generated will go to paying the loan, but if we wanted to, we could repay the loan in 10 yrs! KPA alone generates a profit of $300m a year,

And ofcorse the calculations I've done are abstract, but they should give you an idea, also those estimations are using what we expect in 2018, by 2022 we expect the SGR to be handling 2, 400 Teus per day imports+exports so when we start paying the loan we might even have some change left each time we repay.

Dont forget we also have the rail levy where we tax 1.5% of each of all goods imported through Mombasa, if for some reason the SGR doesnt generate enough revenue, we still have that option
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Kwa mahesabu ya haraka within 5 years reli itakuwa imefika Uganda ??
 
SGR ya TZ ni tishio sana kwa Kenya. Pigo kubwa sana kwa uchumi wa kenya hasa ktk sekta ya transportation. Tunakwenda kuchukua soko la Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi na Congo. Huku kusini (Zambia, Malawi na Congo ya Kusini? hatuna haraka hawana ujanja wa kukimbilia zaidi ya Tanzania.
 
mulisaaa said:
Sasa wewe unaongelea Kisumu. Sisi tutakuwa tunafikisha Mawanza ikibidi Portbell cause meli ya umoja imeshatengenezwa
Distance ya kisumu ni mbali sana. Pili kuhusu Rwanda msahau cause Kagame he is not interested with that route
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Mimi hapa ndiyo saa zingine naona kama tuna discuss na vichaa! Unakuta mtu ni member wa muda na mmesha discuss issue kwa mapana ila ikija thread nyingine anajisahaulisha ambacho mlisha wahi kujadili.

Mfano distance ya Dar to Rw ni fupi kuliko ya Msa to Rw. Political will imesha onyeshwa na Magu na Kagame, Rail kutoka Dar to Rw imesha anza kujengwa, kipande cha Rw wanategemea kuanza ujenzi mwishoni mwa mwaka huu. Kila lisaa limoja train ya Tz itakua ina enda 40km zaidi leave alone the shorter distance. Efficiency ya Dar port imeongezeka maradufu as we speak more than 90% ya Rw cargo inapita Dar. 400m usd zinatumika ku expand Dar port at the moment. Panamax ships zitaweza ku dock Dar port by 2020. Ila lina kuja lijitu lina tapa eti Congo+Rw+Burundi goods zitapita Msa!! Sishangai sana maana mpaka sasa hivi kuna wengine wana kwambia watakwapua pipeline kutoka Ug! Kenyans its high time you do a reality check up. TZ is f****g u up sideways
 
Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Planning is the most important part of a succesful country. Rwanda is planning to extend SGR, UG is also planning to have an SGR.
Only fools dont plan, failure to plan is planning to. fail
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and in ur hate filled mind, Kenya has no plans and the ones actualized don't matter because tanzania is planning?? I hope u don't have kids because ur stupidity cannot be allowed to spread beyond ur sorry self.
 
Hamster255 said:
View attachment 754144 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
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Nakuhona unavyo jifurahisha😀😀
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thisdayes said:
Mimi hapa ndiyo saa zingine naona kama tuna discuss na vichaa! Unakuta mtu ni member wa muda na mmesha discuss issue kwa mapana ila ikija thread nyingine anajisahaulisha ambacho mlisha wahi kujadili.

Mfano distance ya Dar to Rw ni fupi kuliko ya Msa to Rw. Political will imesha onyeshwa na Magu na Kagame, Rail kutoka Dar to Rw imesha anza kujengwa, kipande cha Rw wanategemea kuanza ujenzi mwishoni mwa mwaka huu. Kila lisaa limoja train ya Tz itakua ina enda 40km zaidi leave alone the shorter distance. Efficiency ya Dar port imeongezeka maradufu as we speak more than 90% ya Rw cargo inapita Dar. 400m usd zinatumika ku expand Dar port at the moment. Panamax ships zitaweza ku dock Dar port by 2020. Ila lina kuja lijitu lina tapa eti Congo+Rw+Burundi goods zitapita Msa!! Sishangai sana maana mpaka sasa hivi kuna wengine wana kwambia watakwapua pipeline kutoka Ug! Kenyans its high time you do a reality check up. TZ is f****g u up sideways
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Hawa jamaa tumesha anza kuwanyorosha.
Hamstere na wenzake kwa sasa wanazungusha bakuli kwa Mike Sonko😀😀
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Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Poor Mathematics. You are assuming that SGR will face no competition from Tz SGR which is bound to be cheaper per Teu/km. At this time, Charges are subsidized at 50% and still its difficult to get cargo.If the mombasa expressway is built, SGR will face even more competition-shooting themselves on the foot.
The other issue is Mombasa port, its hegemony as EAC gateway is being undermined. Rwanda Shifted to Dar port, Magufuli is Just a few years away from literaly giving Uganda the Tanga Port exclusively for their use. Rwanda is looking at being the inland port for eastern Congo by extending Tz' Sgr to kigali.
Relying in Railway development levy to payback sgr Loans is very stupid. It will just make potential customers for mombasa port to avoid it and seek ports that do not charge such kind of taxes
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GEZA ULOLE. I am 100% sure
 
kabila01 said:
SGR ya TZ ni tishio sana kwa Kenya. Pigo kubwa sana kwa uchumi wa kenya hasa ktk sekta ya transportation. Tunakwenda kuchukua soko la Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi na Congo. Huku kusini (Zambia, Malawi na Congo ya Kusini? hatuna haraka hawana ujanja wa kukimbilia zaidi ya Tanzania.
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World Bank ikotiyali ku finance kipande cha SGR kutoka Isaka Tanzania hadi Kigali Rwanda
 
thisdayes said:
Mimi hapa ndiyo saa zingine naona kama tuna discuss na vichaa! Unakuta mtu ni member wa muda na mmesha discuss issue kwa mapana ila ikija thread nyingine anajisahaulisha ambacho mlisha wahi kujadili.

Mfano distance ya Dar to Rw ni fupi kuliko ya Msa to Rw. Political will imesha onyeshwa na Magu na Kagame, Rail kutoka Dar to Rw imesha anza kujengwa, kipande cha Rw wanategemea kuanza ujenzi mwishoni mwa mwaka huu. Kila lisaa limoja train ya Tz itakua ina enda 40km zaidi leave alone the shorter distance. Efficiency ya Dar port imeongezeka maradufu as we speak more than 90% ya Rw cargo inapita Dar. 400m usd zinatumika ku expand Dar port at the moment. Panamax ships zitaweza ku dock Dar port by 2020. Ila lina kuja lijitu lina tapa eti Congo+Rw+Burundi goods zitapita Msa!! Sishangai sana maana mpaka sasa hivi kuna wengine wana kwambia watakwapua pipeline kutoka Ug! Kenyans its high time you do a reality check up. TZ is f****g u up sideways
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Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda. Wacha makelele. Rwanda is an $8 Billion economy. That is half of our budget. Endelea kupiga mdomo.
 
thisdayes said:
Mimi hapa ndiyo saa zingine naona kama tuna discuss na vichaa! Unakuta mtu ni member wa muda na mmesha discuss issue kwa mapana ila ikija thread nyingine anajisahaulisha ambacho mlisha wahi kujadili.

Mfano distance ya Dar to Rw ni fupi kuliko ya Msa to Rw. Political will imesha onyeshwa na Magu na Kagame, Rail kutoka Dar to Rw imesha anza kujengwa, kipande cha Rw wanategemea kuanza ujenzi mwishoni mwa mwaka huu. Kila lisaa limoja train ya Tz itakua ina enda 40km zaidi leave alone the shorter distance. Efficiency ya Dar port imeongezeka maradufu as we speak more than 90% ya Rw cargo inapita Dar. 400m usd zinatumika ku expand Dar port at the moment. Panamax ships zitaweza ku dock Dar port by 2020. Ila lina kuja lijitu lina tapa eti Congo+Rw+Burundi goods zitapita Msa!! Sishangai sana maana mpaka sasa hivi kuna wengine wana kwambia watakwapua pipeline kutoka Ug! Kenyans its high time you do a reality check up. TZ is f****g u up sideways
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Rwanda GDP
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Tony254 said:
Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda. Wacha makelele. Rwanda is an $8 Billion economy. That is half of our budget. Endelea kupiga mdomo.
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Kuna sehemu niliona una jiita mchumi kama sija kosea! Sasa 8b usd unaona ni ndogo! In 30 yrs time itakua ngapi? Remember Rw is one of the fastest growing economy in the world and miundombinu ya reli inajengwa kwa matumizi ya more than 100 years to come. I wish mngesema this from the start siyo baada ya kukaribia finishing line.
 
Kafrican said:
SGR phase 2A ilianza kujengwa mwaka Jana June, inatarajiwa kukamilika mwaka huu Dec 2018 au Jan 2019.

Loan ya SGR iko na 10 year grace period, meaning loan yenyewe itaanza kulipwa 2023 baada ya SGR kufika Uganda. Tuko na 5 yrs left to start paying.

Lengo la sasa ni by end of year, SGR iwe inabeba 1, 200 TEUs per day, tukitumia hio cama base line

1200 TEUs per day = 1200 x 365 days = 427, 200 TEUs per year

If we use flat rate charge of 50, 000 (thr actual charge by KPA will be 80, 000)

This translates to revenue of 427200 x 50, 000 = 21,360, 000, 000 ksh per year or $213.6 Million USD per year .

The SGR perseger service makes $6.1 Million a year... lets assume that this pays all the workers, fuel + maintanance


So, for phase 1 alone.... paying back $4B will take 4, 000/213.6 = 18 yrs

18 years is a small time in paying a loan, there are loans that some countries have taken +40 yrs to pay. Infact the SGR loan payment period is 40 yrs, as not all the revenue generated will go to paying the loan, but if we wanted to, we could repay the loan in 10 yrs! KPA alone generates a profit of $300m a year,

And ofcorse the calculations I've done are abstract, but they should give you an idea, also those estimations are using what we expect in 2018, by 2022 we expect the SGR to be handling 2, 400 Teus per day imports+exports so when we start paying the loan we might even have some change left each time we repay.

Dont forget we also have the rail levy where we tax 1.5% of each of all goods imported through Mombasa, if for some reason the SGR doesnt generate enough revenue, we still have that option
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nimesoma haya maelezo nimecheka sana😀😀😀
 
Tony254 said:
Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda Rwanda. Wacha makelele. Rwanda is an $8 Billion economy. That is half of our budget. Endelea kupiga mdomo.
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so wewe unategemea uganda tutawaachia hvi hvi tulianza na oil pipeline sasa tunakuja kukamilisha somo😀😀
 
YoungD said:
and in ur hate filled mind, Kenya has no plans and the ones actualized don't matter because tanzania is planning?? I hope u don't have kids because ur stupidity cannot be allowed to spread beyond ur sorry self.
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Kenya Does not Plan, it schemes dubious ways of fleecing taxpayers. SGR was not a plan but a scheme to make money through corruption😀
 
thisdayes said:
Mimi hapa ndiyo saa zingine naona kama tuna discuss na vichaa! Unakuta mtu ni member wa muda na mmesha discuss issue kwa mapana ila ikija thread nyingine anajisahaulisha ambacho mlisha wahi kujadili.

Mfano distance ya Dar to Rw ni fupi kuliko ya Msa to Rw. Political will imesha onyeshwa na Magu na Kagame, Rail kutoka Dar to Rw imesha anza kujengwa, kipande cha Rw wanategemea kuanza ujenzi mwishoni mwa mwaka huu. Kila lisaa limoja train ya Tz itakua ina enda 40km zaidi leave alone the shorter distance. Efficiency ya Dar port imeongezeka maradufu as we speak more than 90% ya Rw cargo inapita Dar. 400m usd zinatumika ku expand Dar port at the moment. Panamax ships zitaweza ku dock Dar port by 2020. Ila lina kuja lijitu lina tapa eti Congo+Rw+Burundi goods zitapita Msa!! Sishangai sana maana mpaka sasa hivi kuna wengine wana kwambia watakwapua pipeline kutoka Ug! Kenyans its high time you do a reality check up. TZ is f****g u up sideways
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Kutokana na ufanisi wa Bandari yetu pamoja na SGR itafikia kipindi mpaka kenya wenyewe wataanza kupitishia mizigo Dar. Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Congo, Zambia, malawi na Zimbabwe hawa wetu mpaka sasa na hatuna mpinzani. Mungu mbariki JPM amalizie SGR
 
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