National security advisory committee (nsac) -top security organ in kenya

[Julius Kaisari]

The Constitution Of Kenya 2010,
Chapter 14
240. (1) There is established a National Security Council.
(2) The Council consists of—

(a) the President;

(b) the Deputy President;

(c) the Cabinet Secretary responsible for defence;

(d) the Cabinet Secretary responsible for foreign affairs;

(e) the Cabinet Secretary responsible for internal security;

(f) the Attorney-General;

(g) the Chief of Kenya Defence Forces;

(h) the Director-General of the National Intelligence Service;
and
(i) the Inspector-General of the National Police Service

Now, here below are the members as it stands by now..

1. Mwai Kibaki - Chairperson - Kikuyu
2. Prof Githu Muigai- Attorney General- Kikuyu
3. General Michael Gichangi-NSIS - Kikuyu
4. General Julius Karangi-KDF - Kikuyu
5. Thuita Mwangi-(Yule wa ufisadi Kenyan Embassy Tokyo)-Permanent Secretary Foreign - Kikuyu
6. Mutea Iringo - Permanent Secretary Internal Security- Kikuyu
7. Nancy Kirui- Permanent Secretary Ministry of State for Defence- Kikuyu
8.Inspector General of Police- David Kimaiyo-??

Sasa hapo utasema Nchi inaongozwa na wakenya au Kikuyu? Leo Raila anazuiwa kufanya lawful rallies kwa maamuzi ya hii "Top Security organ"..unategemea nini?

 

[livefire]

The bottom two are Kalenjins....
I am a disgruntled Kenyan when security appointments are made on a tribal basis...this is alarming if true, maybe Kabaridi can confirm if this is the structure of the advisory commitee on entirity and plus;
Confirm that this armophous body is pegged on the constitution and not a hot air committee.
I know of the National Security Council chaired by the presidency.
When was the National Security Advisory Commitee created, is it legal with a constitution backing and does it otherwise usurp the powers of the presidency and the parent national security council functions?
ukwelikitugani, apologies for diverting from your theme, its no secret Kenya is tribal but allow me to pose the above to you or Kabaridi or anyone in the know how.

 

[Julius Kaisari]

The bottom two are Kalenjins....
I am a disgruntled Kenyan when security appointments are made on a tribal basis...this is alarming if true, maybe Kabaridi can confirm if this is the structure of the advisory commitee on entirity and plus;
Confirm that this armophous body is pegged on the constitution and not a hot air committee.
I know of the National Security Council chaired by the presidency.
When was the National Security Advisory Commitee created, is it legal with a constitution backing and does it otherwise usurp the powers of the presidency and the parent national security council functions?
ukwelikitugani, apologies for diverting from your theme, its no secret Kenya is tribal but allow me to pose the above to you or Kabaridi or anyone in the know how.

livefire,
That is the real structure of NSAC. It is constitutional organ, under the New Constitution dispensation. National Security Advisory Council replaces the National Security Council (under the former constitution). Kabaridi can add something here..!

 

[livefire]

Its even not making sense, national security advisory committee is chaired by head of public service, Mr. Kimemia.
The National Security Council is chaired by the presidency.
When was this NSAC outfit created, its definitely not in the Kenyan constitution, atleast am not aware this far, i havent seen an act of parliament that created it, i dont know who permitted this group to exist outside the constitution and usurp powers of the presidents' led National Security Council.....
However, political gatherings might polarise this nation; i leave that to CORD but who created this outfit? If it is disobeyed, what will be the consequences coz trust me Raila will disobey it....what happens next? Find a legal backing asap....

 

[livefire]

livefire,
That is the real structure of NSAC. It is constitutional organ, under the New Constitution dispensation. National Security Advisory Council replaces the National Security Council (under the former constitution). Kabaridi can add something here..!

My fingers were too fast to type, how comes this outfit is chaired by head of public service and not the presidency, when was the president allowed to subjudicate his tasks to a juniour officer ie head of PS whom wasnt elected, but appointed.......
Me thinks this outfit is unconstitutional to the latter

 

[Julius Kaisari]

My fingers were too fast to type, how comes this outfit is chaired by head of public service and not the presidency, when was the president allowed to subjudicate his tasks to a juniour officer ie head of PS whom wasnt elected, but appointed.......
Me thinks this outfit is unconstitutional to the latter

Well,under the current Constitution the PS is the Secretary to the council. That's for sure. Though Mr Kimemia had Chaired the Council before,now i dont know if The constitution allow that.

 

[livefire]

Just from perusing my copy of the costitution 2010 and therein exists nothing like the "National Security Advisory Commitee". ukwelikitugani, rao will defy this outfit on a legal standing if he chooses to go thru. Otherwise ata kama ni tribal composition he cant dare defy.
Kabaridi, you have officially been summoned, hehe...hii kitu iko kwa katiba gani na ya nani..my copy identifies a NSC chaired by the presidency, hii ingine ya Kimemia iliundwa aje and why is it usurping powers of the presidency led by NSC.
Pure discussion, nothing personal or tribal.

 

[livefire]

Well,under the current Constitution the PS is the Secretary to the council. That's for sure. Though Mr Kimemia had Chaired the Council before,now i dont know if The constitution allow that.

This much i agree, secretary to the council, NSC, but he is a chairman of NSAC (not in the constitution)......
If he chaired NSC then we have a very big problem, atleast how i interpreted the constitution. The presidency only and solely can chair such a gathering. No provisions for absentism.

 

[Crucial Man]

Wakuu as per the list niliyoisoma hapo juu,nadiriki kusema kenya is not for kenyan but for kabila fulani.kumbe ndio maana hawa jamaa wana kiburi sana,hasa huyu kimemia,ukabila wa hawa jamaa ndio maana hata makabila mengine wanawachukia.how comes the top secury organ in the country inakaliwa na kabila moja au mawili,inamaa hayo makabila mengine 40 hawana wasomi au watu wa kuwawakilisha?unajua kibaki aliingia na sera ya kujijengea ngome mazubuti,hasa baada ya 207 election.its our time to eat.

 

[Kabaridi]

ukwelikitugani livefire, there is no where the term tribal or ethnicity emerges in the kenyan constitution or new laws. tuzungumzane kikatiba....

ukwelikitugani you are misleading us because that section deals with ––NATIONAL SECURITY which will not act in a vacuum becuase of the following....

Part 1-national security orGans

238. (1) National security is the protection against internal and external threats to Kenya's territorial integrity and sovereignty, itspeople, their rights, freedoms, property, peace, stability and prosperity, and other national interests.

(a)
national security is subject to the authority of this
Constitution and Parliament;
(b)
national security shall be pursued in compliance with the law
and with the utmost respect for the rule of law, democracy,
human rights and fundamental freedoms;

...Every kenyan has a right to attain elective offices and assuming we were to adopt the office of the PM into the new constitution it would have been a disaster. A desparately ailing economy that is to achieve double digits under such a government is impossible. We cannot achieve such growth because the kenyan economy is quite small to accomodate such a government. The very vocal at the PMs for instance the usual culprits john mbadi, jakoyo midiwo etc.. in addition to corruption and several conflicting decrees under the coalition governments executive and PM's office was equally burdensome and a hindrance to progress. In the future when we can boast of a double digit economy, the office of the PM will be key. We have seen people exercising their soverign power with the utmost discipline recently in ushering in a new constitution in a referundum, and a just concluded democratic poll, and what people need is a decentralized system of government though we are yet to encounter its challenges. All these noises at the national level will subside very soon to the counties and that may affect the liberties or free will of those people to choose their leaders democratically!!

meanwhile you can see under this section of the constitution that gives the kenyan people power to exercise their power and hence communal ties strenghthened....

THE CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
CHAPTER ONE––SOVEREIGNTY OF THE PEOPLE AND
SUPREMACY OF THIS CONSTITUTION

1. (1) All sovereign power belongs to the people of Kenya and shall be exercised only in accordance with this Constitution.

(2)
The people may exercise their sovereign power either directlyor through their democratically elected representatives.
(3)
Sovereign power under this Constitution is delegated tothe following State organs, which shall perform their functions inaccordance with this Constitution––
(a)
Parliament and the legislative assemblies in the countygovernments;
(b)
the national executive and the executive structures in the
county governments; and
(c)
the Judiciary and independent tribunals.
(4)
The sovereign power of the people is exercised at––
(a)
the national level; and
(b)
the county level.

2. (1) This Constitution is the supreme law of the Republic and binds all persons and all State organs at both levels of government.

(2)
No person may claim or exercise State authority except as authorised under this Constitution.
(3)
The validity or legality of this Constitution is not subject to challenge by or before any court or other State organ.
(4)
Any law, including customary law, that is inconsistent with this Constitution is void to the extent of the inconsistency, and any act or omission in contravention of this Constitution is invalid.
(5)
The general rules of international law shall form part of the law of Kenya.

Sovereignty of thepeople.

tunakuwa wanasheria bila kujua becasue of the new constitution...hehehehe

cheers

 

[MABAGHEE]

Hapo kweli kutakuwa na tatizo.

 

[Ngongo]

Duh afadhali mimi si mkenya kumbe mambo yenye ni hivi 😛eep:

 

[Julius Kaisari]

ukwelikitugani livefire, there is no where the term tribal or ethnicity emerges in the kenyan constitution or new laws. tuzungumzane kikatiba....

ukwelikitugani you are misleading us because that section deals with ––NATIONAL SECURITY which will not act in a vacuum becuase of the following....



...Every kenyan has a right to attain elective offices and assuming we were to adopt the office of the PM into the new constitution it would have been a disaster. A desparately ailing economy that is to achieve double digits under such a government is impossible. We cannot achieve such growth because the kenyan economy is quite small to accomodate such a government. The very vocal at the PMs for instance the usual culprits john mbadi, jakoyo midiwo etc.. in addition to corruption and several conflicting decrees under the coalition governments executive and PM's office was equally burdensome and a hindrance to progress. In the future when we can boast of a double digit economy, the office of the PM will be key. We have seen people exercising their soverign power with the utmost discipline recently in ushering in a new constitution in a referundum, and a just concluded democratic poll, and what people need is a decentralized system of government though we are yet to encounter its challenges. All these noises at the national level will subside very soon to the counties and that may affect the liberties or free will of those people to choose their leaders democratically!!

meanwhile you can see under this section of the constitution that gives the kenyan people power to exercise their power and hence communal ties strenghthened....



tunakuwa wanasheria bila kujua becasue of the new constitution...hehehehe

cheers

Misleading?
Otherwise you dont know how far the Intelligence and security organs are mandated. Okay look here
238.
(c) in performing their functions and exercising their powers,
national security organs shall respect the diverse culture of
the communities within Kenya; and
(d) recruitment by the national security organs shall reflect the
diversity of the Kenyan people in equitable proportions.
National security organs

Sasa unaongelea habari ya Diversity wakati Mamlaka yenyewe haielezi hivyo?
Bwana Kabaridi hapo hujanipata.. Ongezea porojo tena.
:nono:

 

[livefire]

Kabaridi, my issue wasnt the tribal composition of that committee but all the same, the same constitution u quote urges all apointments to have the face of the nation, in the spirit of the new cinstitution i find the committee defective on a srcondary consideration.
Anyway, tribal maneno aside which aint an issue as pertained to ma query;
What constitutional clause mandates the existence of 'national security advisory committee'. Why does the commitee usurp powers of the NSC?
Be articulate and specific as much as possible.

 

[Reginald12]

The Constitution Of Kenya 2010,
Chapter 14
240. (1) There is established a National Security Council.
(2) The Council consists of-

(a) the President;

(b) the Deputy President;

(c) the Cabinet Secretary responsible for defence;

(d) the Cabinet Secretary responsible for foreign affairs;

(e) the Cabinet Secretary responsible for internal security;

(f) the Attorney-General;

(g) the Chief of Kenya Defence Forces;

(h) the Director-General of the National Intelligence Service;
and
(i) the Inspector-General of the National Police Service

Now, here below are the members as it stands by now..

1. Mwai Kibaki - Chairperson - Kikuyu
2. Prof Githu Muigai- Attorney General- Kikuyu
3. General Michael Gichangi-NSIS - Kikuyu
4. General Julius Karangi-KDF - Kikuyu
5. Thuita Mwangi-(Yule wa ufisadi Kenyan Embassy Tokyo)-Permanent Secretary Foreign - Kikuyu
6. Mutea Iringo - Permanent Secretary Internal Security- Kikuyu
7. Nancy Kirui- Permanent Secretary Ministry of State for Defence- Kikuyu
8.Inspector General of Police- David Kimaiyo-??

Sasa hapo utasema Nchi inaongozwa na wakenya au Kikuyu? Leo Raila anazuiwa kufanya lawful rallies kwa maamuzi ya hii "Top Security organ"..unategemea nini?

Wakenya ni watu gani kwa mtazamo wako? Je, Wakikuyu ni Wakenya? Wote wangekuwa Wadorobo au Wasomali ingekuwaje?

 

[Julius Kaisari]

Wakenya ni watu gani kwa mtazamo wako? Je, Wakikuyu ni Wakenya? Wote wangekuwa Wadorobo au Wasomali ingekuwaje?

Swali lingekuwa hivi," Kwakuwa nchi ina makabila 42, wakamba,luo,turkana,kikuyu, luhya n.k, je kwani chombo kikubwa hicho cha maamuzi ya kiusala kinakaliwa na jamii moja"?? Unaonaje hapo?:A S angel:

 

[Reginald12]

Swali lingekuwa hivi," Kwakuwa nchi ina makabila 42, wakamba,luo,turkana,kikuyu, luhya n.k, je kwani chombo kikubwa hicho cha maamuzi ya kiusala kinakaliwa na jamii moja"?? Unaonaje hapo?:A S angel:

Sioni tatizo iwapo watatekeleza majukumu yao bila upendeleo. Hivi hamna uwezekano kuwa kuna taasisi nyingine ambayo imesimamiwa na watu wengi kutoka jimbo fulani? Ninakumbuka kuna kipindi provincial administration na jeshi zilikuwa na watu wengi wa asili ya kisomali....Katiba mpya imeweka wazi utaratibu wa kujaribu kugawa vyeo nyeti kwa usawa zaidi lakini itachukua muda. Muhimu ni kuweka sheria inayolinda maslahi ya wananchi wote.

 

[Kabaridi]

Misleading?
Otherwise you dont know how far the Intelligence and security organs are mandated. Okay look here
238.
(c) in performing their functions and exercising their powers,
national security organs shall respect the diverse culture of
the communities within Kenya; and
(d) recruitment by the national security organs shall reflect the
diversity of the Kenyan people in equitable proportions.
National security organs

Sasa unaongelea habari ya Diversity wakati Mamlaka yenyewe haielezi hivyo?
Bwana Kabaridi hapo hujanipata.. Ongezea porojo tena.
:nono:

ukwelikitugani, sio porojo, because the contention here is whether intelligence and security organs are leading the nation or determine the course of affairs as a nation the answer to that one is NO! as pertaining whether there is fair representation within the security organs, I like to be honest, you have a point. I know the organs will work with the provincial administration (PA).

There was a misconception earlier at the thread kuwa kenya inaongozwa na wakikuyu/NSAC ambayo nikaleta how they are subjective to parliament and the constitution...they are not the absolute!! anything they do will have to pass under intense verification from parliament

If you ask me the very reason why there are a lot of interests as regards to NSAC confidentiality is whether it can be open to manupilative forces from the political arena. This is the sole reason why the posts are a subject of debate of who is who where. otherwise if it about power and power to the people my earlier inference is self explanatory

soma hapa http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?art...le=Kenya-Kimemia-still-silent-on-allegations-
...thats all sio kuwa ni porojo...

 

[Kabaridi]

Misleading?
Otherwise you dont know how far the Intelligence and security organs are mandated. Okay look here
238.
(c) in performing their functions and exercising their powers,
national security organs shall respect the diverse culture of
the communities within Kenya; and
(d) recruitment by the national security organs shall reflect the
diversity of the Kenyan people in equitable proportions.
National security organs

Sasa unaongelea habari ya Diversity wakati Mamlaka yenyewe haielezi hivyo?
Bwana Kabaridi hapo hujanipata.. Ongezea porojo tena.
:nono:

ukwelikitugani, sio porojo, because the contention here is whether intelligence and security organs are leading the nation or determine the course of affairs as a nation the answer to that one is NO! as pertaining whether there is fair representation within the security organs, I like to be honest, you have a point. I know the organs will work with the provincial administration (PA).

There was a misconception earlier at the thread kuwa kenya inaongozwa na wakikuyu/NSAC ambayo nikaleta how they are subjective to parliament and the constitution...they are not the absolute!! anything they do will have to pass under intense verification from parliament

If you ask me the very reason why there are a lot of interests as regards to NSAC confidentiality is whether it can be open to manupilative forces from the political arena. This is the sole reason why the posts are a subject of debate of who is who where. otherwise if it about power and power to the people my earlier inference is self explanatory

soma hapa http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?art...le=Kenya-Kimemia-still-silent-on-allegations-

...thats all sio kuwa ni porojo...

 

[Julius Kaisari]

Sioni tatizo iwapo watatekeleza majukumu yao bila upendeleo. Hivi hamna uwezekano kuwa kuna taasisi nyingine ambayo imesimamiwa na watu wengi kutoka jimbo fulani? Ninakumbuka kuna kipindi provincial administration na jeshi zilikuwa na watu wengi wa asili ya kisomali....Katiba mpya imeweka wazi utaratibu wa kujaribu kugawa vyeo nyeti kwa usawa zaidi lakini itachukua muda. Muhimu ni kuweka sheria inayolinda maslahi ya wananchi wote.

Huoni tatizo ? Nafasi zenyewe Zipo kiupendeleo,

ukwelikitugani, sio porojo, because the contention here is whether intelligence and security organs are leading the nation or determine the course of affairs as a nation the answer to that one is NO! as pertaining whether there is fair representation within the security organs, I like to be honest, you have a point. I know the organs will work with the provincial administration (PA).

There was a misconception earlier at the thread kuwa kenya inaongozwa na wakikuyu/NSAC ambayo nikaleta how they are subjective to parliament and the constitution...they are not the absolute!! anything they do will have to pass under intense verification from parliament

If you ask me the very reason why there are a lot of interests as regards to NSAC confidentiality is whether it can be open to manupilative forces from the political arena. This is the sole reason why the posts are a subject of debate of who is who where. otherwise if it about power and power to the people my earlier inference is self explanatory

...thats all sio kuwa ni porojo...

Nisaidie uweke hapa Provincial Commissioners ili ujue nini naongea. Zaidi, hivi unelewa Nguvu za hivyo vyombo vya usalama? they got some sort of farfetched VETO..