National security advisory committee (nsac) -top security organ in kenya

[Jammu Africa]

He he he,,,,now you start talking about the composition of the security,,,
sijui Kikuyu,,sijui what,,,,,kwani wakikuyu si wakenya???????

And,,,,,,,,,,,so what,,, can you do about it?????????????

And,,only now when Raila was becoming big headed and someone
needed to remind him that he cannot do as he wishes,,,now
you go tribal,,,,,,

The days of Nusu government is over and kaput.

But the good thing is,,,,,,Raila,,,kwa mara ya kwanza,,,ameonywa
na akasikia,,,that is enough and you can continue with your
research of finding out,,of how many Kikuyus are where,,,,
that is harmless.:wink:

 

[Kabaridi]

Just from perusing my copy of the costitution 2010 and therein exists nothing like the "National Security Advisory Commitee". ukwelikitugani, rao will defy this outfit on a legal standing if he chooses to go thru. Otherwise ata kama ni tribal composition he cant dare defy.
Kabaridi, you have officially been summoned, hehe...hii kitu iko kwa katiba gani na ya nani..my copy identifies a NSC chaired by the presidency, hii ingine ya Kimemia iliundwa aje and why is it usurping powers of the presidency led by NSC.
Pure discussion, nothing personal or tribal.

Ndugu livefire let me borrow a phrase from Mw. dida; this man raila and his men have managed to confuse the whole nation plus the different authorities to his advantage. as systems complicate then he can fan animosity at MBSA. Thanks goodness he has been warned by the CJ from trampling all over his jurisdiction with political rhetoric! such circumstances demand people accorded responsibilty to take charge and bring things into normalcy.

I do no know how the NSAC was formed but I can liken it to the Transitional authority TA that recently sent commissioner to the county. These are constitutionally formed. Do we have any comittee that formed the TA, if it does not exist then we are raising the alarm for nothing

 

[livefire]

Ndugu livefire
I do no know how the NSAC was formed but I can liken it to the Transitional authority TA that recently sent commissioner to the county. These are constitutionally formed. Do we have any comittee that formed the TA, if it does not exist then we are raising the alarm for nothing

Kabaridi, yet again we find ourselves in a situation where constitutional offices are created without a constitutional backing....makes sense? It does.
The transitional authotity was created through an Act of Parliament, to be specific, "The Transition to Devolved Govt Act 2012" and commenced administration on march 9, 2012. Everything including structure of TA and formation are there in.
Now back to our quiz, who created this animal NSAC without any legal constitutional backing or parliamentary oversee....even CIC has a constitutional backing including the formation and functions.
expunge Raila from this records, am not going political.lol. Dig in from that major from "TEA" then share what you gather, hehe

 

[Kabaridi]

Kabaridi, yet again we find ourselves in a situation where constitutional offices are created without a constitutional backing....makes sense? It does.
The transitional authotity was created through an Act of Parliament, to be specific, "The Transition to Devolved Govt Act 2012" and commenced administration on march 9, 2012. Everything including structure of TA and formation are there in.
Now back to our quiz, who created this animal NSAC without any legal constitutional backing or parliamentary oversee....even CIC has a constitutional backing including the formation and functions.
expunge Raila from this records, am not going political.lol. Dig in from that major from "TEA" then share what you gather, hehe

mkuu soma hapa allAfrica.com: Kenya: Secrets of Muthaura Security Talks (Page 1 of 2) it looks like the NSAC animal has been existing from 2008

NSAC is a creation of those who do the ground work for ICC. That means maina kiai et al understands NSAC and its intentions and those they wish to implicate in the imaginary NSAC. they are crucial foot-soldiers to the ICC process in kenya

 

[livefire]

mkuu soma hapa allAfrica.com: Kenya: Secrets of Muthaura Security Talks (Page 1 of 2) it looks like the NSAC animal has been existing from 2008

NSAC is a creation of those who do the ground work for ICC. That means maina kiai et al understands NSAC and its intentions and those they wish to implicate in the imaginary NSAC. they are crucial foot-soldiers to the ICC process in kenya

I have searched wide n deep, this office remains anonymous, like it was meant to be a covert office but somehow by mistake or design its innerds leaked out....
I find no single act of parliament referencing to it, the above article doesnt answer the origin of the office.
Logical Conlusion: its a GoK office, not KIAI's child, and with no records justifying the how being and need of its existence....I HENCE LABLED IT AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE. This "animal" was meant to be an adhoc committee to deal with the 07 drama but it has lasted and lasted ever since with no single legislation guiding it.
Recommendations:The NSC should scrap this waiganjo committee usurping its duties.

 

[Belo]

Nchi ya Kenya inaendeshwa kikabila,nafikiri hata Raila akishinda atajitahidi kujaza Wajaluo wenzake

 

[Crucial Man]

Swali lingekuwa hivi," Kwakuwa nchi ina makabila 42, wakamba,luo,turkana,kikuyu, luhya n.k, je kwani chombo kikubwa hicho cha maamuzi ya kiusala kinakaliwa na jamii moja"?? Unaonaje hapo?:A S angel:

swali zuri sana, unajua chombo kama kile kinapokuwa na mchanganyiko wa makabila inaondoa wasi wasi ktk jamii,kwa mfano hivi sasa tension iliyopo kenya,chombo hichi kikifanya maamuzi yoyote yawe mazuri au mabaya utasikia "wakikuyu na wakelenjin wanatupelekesh"kisa na sabubu ni kwamba hakijabalance kimakabila ya kenya.twende mbele turudi nyuma bila upendeleo wakenya wananyonywa na kukaliwa na kabila la wakikuyu.mimi sifichi na sitaki kuwa mnafiki,Hawa jamaa kikuyus ni wabinafs sana,awependi maendeleo ya wenzao.

 

[bagamoyo]

Chombo hicho cha juu cha Usalama Kenya wanatumia Ki-Lugha cha kabila moja katika vikao au wanatumia lugha rasmi za serikali ya Kenya yaani Kiswahili na Kiingereza ? naomba mekatilili, Kabaridi, Nairoberry, & Co mtujuze wana-JamiiForums!

 

[Kabaridi]

swali zuri sana, unajua chombo kama kile kinapokuwa na mchanganyiko wa makabila inaondoa wasi wasi ktk jamii,kwa mfano hivi sasa tension iliyopo kenya,chombo hichi kikifanya maamuzi yoyote yawe mazuri au mabaya utasikia "wakikuyu na wakelenjin wanatupelekesh"kisa na sabubu ni kwamba hakijabalance kimakabila ya kenya.twende mbele turudi nyuma bila upendeleo wakenya wananyonywa na kukaliwa na kabila la wakikuyu.mimi sifichi na sitaki kuwa mnafiki,Hawa jamaa kikuyus ni wabinafs sana,awependi maendeleo ya wenzao.

hapa inategemea mtazamo wa mtu binafsi. tukizingatia serikali tunayoihama ya mseto ilishindwa kuzingatia na kutimiza matakwa ya uwakilishaji wa watu mbali mbali.

.....ikiwa afisi ya PM ilikuwa ikitumia muda wao wote kuwatunishia AG, inspector general wa polisi, na kamanda wa jeshi misuli, mulitarajia serikali wa mseto kuleta manufaa kwa wananchi au ulikuwa uwanja wa mieleka?????!!

kazi kwako, yawezekana uongozi kuchukuliwa na jamii moja lakini kazi itendekee....!

 

[mwathai]

I have searched wide n deep, this office remains anonymous, like it was meant to be a covert office but somehow by mistake or design its innerds leaked out....
I find no single act of parliament referencing to it, the above article doesnt answer the origin of the office.
Logical Conlusion: its a GoK office, not KIAI's child, and with no records justifying the how being and need of its existence....I HENCE LABLED IT AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE. This "animal" was meant to be an adhoc committee to deal with the 07 drama but it has lasted and lasted ever since with no single legislation guiding it.
Recommendations:The NSC should scrap this waiganjo committee usurping its duties.

WE have become law geeks. NSAC is a committee not an office. It comprises of top security and legal officers who meet to discuss security issues. Generally the implementing agency is always the Head of Public service.
However, given Raila's penchant for lawlessness in the name of democracy,he was cautioned in the name of the three security organs including the military.
That was the only way to tame him because the military is not know to entertain non sense. What they say is an order to be obeyed to the letter and he knows that.

 

[Crucial Man]

WE have become law geeks. NSAC is a committee not an office. It comprises of top security and legal officers who meet to discuss security issues. Generally the implementing agency is always the Head of Public service.
However, given Raila's penchant for lawlessness in the name of democracy,he was cautioned in the name of the three security organs including the military.
That was the only way to tame him because the military is not know to entertain non sense. What they say is an order to be obeyed to the letter and he knows that.

so Nsac was formed to tame Raila,not to serve the interest of kenyans.!?

 

[mwathai]

so Nsac was formed to tame Raila,not to serve the interest of kenyans.!?

Don't be silly. The committee has always been there. Only Raila has tried to make it a monster it isn't.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Don't be silly. The committee has always been there. Only Raila has tried to make it a monster it isn't.

The question being asked mkuu mwenzangu, is What/Who created this organ?...is there a constitutional decree for it?
Thats the question.....Or is it an ad hoc committee that was put in place 'to tame Raila' as Crucial Man, put it.

No need to call people out of their names by labelling them silly. We can do better than that.

 

[Crucial Man]

The question being asked mkuu mwenzangu, is What/Who created this organ?...is there a constitutional decree for it?
Thats the question.....Or is it an ad hoc committee that was put in place 'to tame Raila' as Crucial Man, put it.

No need to call people out of their names by labelling them silly. We can do better than that.

Remind him jf rules and regulations.labelling me silly may lead hin to a ban from jf.hapa jf tunajadiliana kiustarabu.

 

[livefire]

Don't be silly. The committee has always been there. Only Raila has tried to make it a monster it isn't.

I have been busy couldnt respond to you, nsac wasnt there pre 2007, my issue with this security apparatus or whatever committee it is, is, its taking advantage of our old mans condition, Kibaki chairs NSC, NSAC is an advisory committee that advises NSC, under what provision?
Whats the composition of NSC? Same people on NSAC to the dot....
So why pretend u are advising function "A" while u are that very same function A only with a different chairmanship qualitatively making it function B?
Duplication of tasks by a non constitutional committee, else u give me a backing by the constitution that validates the necessity and existence of NSAC it still stands unconstitutional. Read the constitition on formation of public committees, security etc etc.....this commitee is in the air, not quoted anywhere.
And Raila infact has no issues with NSAC, expunge him also from this records coz i dont know him anyway. Educate me with a constitutional clause. This is a forum for educating each other afterall

 

[Kabaridi]

I have been busy couldnt respond to you, nsac wasnt there pre 2007, my issue with this security apparatus or whatever committee it is, is, its taking advantage of our old mans condition, Kibaki chairs NSC, NSAC is an advisory committee that advises NSC, under what provision?
Whats the composition of NSC? Same people on NSAC to the dot....
So why pretend u are advising function "A" while u are that very same function A only with a different chairmanship qualitatively making it function B?
Duplication of tasks by a non constitutional committee, else u give me a backing by the constitution that validates the necessity and existence of NSAC it still stands unconstitutional. Read the constitition on formation of public committees, security etc etc.....this commitee is in the air, not quoted anywhere.
And Raila infact has no issues with NSAC, expunge him also from this records coz i dont know him anyway. Educate me with a constitutional clause. This is a forum for educating each other afterall

Mkuu on sensing imminent defeat, Raila is stoking controversy, I like the spirited way he is acheiving this agenda but mkuu I turn biblical for you, didnt moses have to climb a mountain to see canaan yet he couldnt not reach there on commandments from God?. Mengine ni mungu mkuu and nothing can be done in this case! we have talked so much we have fought with words but somethings are pre-destined

But even if this animal NSAC exists, and uncosntitutional I recommend it. The ICC has tried fighting the chair of head of public service to no avail. It has only strengthened the resolve to maintain the post. if the chair is constitutional then I do not see why there should be need to create uneccesary alarm over it.

Sometimes it is neccessary to tame rayila to keep the nation together intact. And if the military, and security organs resolve to enforce peace at all means, your man rayila will shut up.....it might be intolerable!

....As at now he is being watched very keenly,! what he is doing, fanning animosity countrywide over polls and unsubstantiated claims of poll rigging using state machinery and resources.

 

[Kabaridi]

Huoni tatizo ? Nafasi zenyewe Zipo kiupendeleo,


Nisaidie uweke hapa Provincial Commissioners ili ujue nini naongea. Zaidi, hivi unelewa Nguvu za hivyo vyombo vya usalama? they got some sort of farfetched VETO..

ukwelikitugani, when you are dealing with people who are operating way high above their heads and themselves to disregard constitutional processes, or what VETO are we talking about. I would not believe NSAC even if it exists may plan something atrocious like hosting mungiki to statehouse for execution of some community..

you have heard the term of chiefs or , 'CCTV ya serikali', that have been termed illegal, yet it is constitutional..Iweje mtu ambae ni PM na anashirikiana na Rais kuendesha uongozi wa taif kupinga jambo hili huku zimbuniwa kikatiba...wakati mwnigne you have to be rational when looking at stuff

 

[livefire]

Mkuu on sensing imminent defeat, Raila is stoking controversy, I like the spirited way he is acheiving this agenda but mkuu I turn biblical for you, didnt moses have to climb a mountain to see canaan yet he couldnt not reach there on commandments from God?. Mengine ni mungu mkuu and nothing can be done in this case! we have talked so much we have fought with words but somethings are pre-destined

But even if this animal NSAC exists, and uncosntitutional I recommend it. The ICC has tried fighting the chair of head of public service to no avail. It has only strengthened the resolve to maintain the post. if the chair is constitutional then I do not see why there should be need to create uneccesary alarm over it.

Sometimes it is neccessary to tame rayila to keep the nation together intact. And if the military, and security organs resolve to enforce peace at all means, your man rayila will shut up.....it might be intolerable!

....As at now he is being watched very keenly,! what he is doing, fanning animosity countrywide over polls and unsubstantiated claims of poll rigging using state machinery and resources.

Now mkuu u are adressing Raila instead of me, wallah!!, am being branded railas foot soldier too, hehe. These are serious allegations bro.
Nway, though u aint addressing me but raila, i will say this, which clause validates that commitee?
To be clear this time, NSC is the top most security organ in Kenya, this NSAC gets its membership from NSC to the tune of 99.9%. The 0.1% reflects the missing presidency factoring out the NARA arrangement.
I bet u are following, why does NSAC pupport to advise NSC while they are the same people?
If i head a committee and need an advisory council, al constitute a different chamber of emminent individual otherwise having "me" advising "me" is dumb...hehe, duplication of tasks n somehow usurping the mandate of NSC.
NI HAYO TU, shukrani kwa MAHUBIRI pia.lol.
With a light touch, expunge RAO from this discussions, atleast not associating him to my posts, i dont know the fella or work for him.
This is purely educational,lol. Guess u wont pull a proverbs next, hehe

 

[Kabaridi]

Do you need constitutional backing or instructions when 'terror' is brewing kichinichini livefire, is that reasonable. It is like saying you need approval of a njuri njeke or jodongo council of elders to avert trouble in your digz yet you are them man of the house bana. this is just a simplistic case for our discussion because matters of ensuring that there is enduring peace does not need to wait specific instructions or processes because of hypocracy that lies beaneath the process of legislation.

The NSC is subjective to the constitution and parliament, but I doubt with the new constitution if legislation in kenya has changed. For the mere fact that there can be radical elements within the process of legislation that may be pose a big risk to those situations that demand quick decisive measures, then an uncompromised NSAC as an oversight body free of radical elements comes into play; I will dig in to that major at 'TEA' as I am speaking as a layman to get more on this, but i know he will approve what i am Telling you.

.......Then if that is the case the NSAC issue should b signed to law by the incoming sworn in president which is wasteful for NSC and NSAC having to play simmilar roles. one will ultimately b a waiganjo commission indeed; I will find out if both are gazzetted

mahubiri lol it was a sunday lol am vipi mkuu?! on that note nitakununulia pombe na nyama basi hivi karibuni, i will have keep my promise for sure. :-*

 

[mwathai]

The question being asked mkuu mwenzangu, is What/Who created this organ?...is there a constitutional decree for it?
Thats the question.....Or is it an ad hoc committee that was put in place 'to tame Raila' as Crucial Man, put it.

No need to call people out of their names by labelling them silly. We can do better than that.

The NSAC is a committee of heads of security organs, these include the military, the Police, The national intelligence, the ministry in charge of security, The AG and the head of public service. It has existed since independence. it does not require constitutional sanction because it is derived from functions of constitutionally sanctioned offices. I am sure every government in the world has such an office.
It is an advisory committee with no executive powers. It's recommendations are implemented by head of Public service. However, Raila Odinga has demonstrated total disregard for the Office of the Head of Public service accusing it falsely of plotting to rig the elections. (To day the Directors of prosecutions has dismissed the alleged plot by Raila Odinga as false. The IEBC a few weeks ago, reacting to the same allegations, warned Raila's party that it risks prosecution by the Officers concerned if it does not substantiate those allegations.) So it warned him as a committee that he must desist from holding public rallies where he lied to people that he won the election by 5.4 million votes against Uhuru kenyatta's 4.7. The IEBC declared uhuru the winner with 6.137 million votes against Raila odinga's 5.3 million. These figure were flashed on our tV screens. Infact, by the time the electronic was stopped in the afternoon of Tuesday March 5th, Raila was behind by 1.050 million votes.
As for asking some to stop being silly consult your English Dictionary

So the NSAC, did not come into existence to tame Raila. It is Raila who has been throwing stones at it. I could continue with details