The NSAC is comprised of Professionals in the security organs. The NSC is the political side of it. NSAC advises NSC on security matters, the NSC reports to the cabinet on security matters. RThey exist as a result of the functions of a constitutionally sanctioned offices. They don't need to be sanction. The constitution just like the Courts are being abused by lawless people who want to achieve through the court, diplomats what they could not achieve in the ballot box.
National security advisory committee (nsac) -top security organ in kenya
National security advisory committee (nsac) -top security organ in kenya
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The NSAC is comprised of Professionals in the security organs. The NSC is the political side of it. NSAC advises NSC on security matters, the NSC reports to the cabinet on security matters. RThey exist as a result of the functions of a constitutionally sanctioned offices. They don't need to be sanction. The constitution just like the Courts are being abused by lawless people who want to achieve through the court, diplomats what they could not achieve in the ballot box.
Julius Kaisari
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Professionals? Really Sir/Madame? Refer to the above members constitute this organ,then bring us feedback whether they are security Professionals as u say!!
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Haha, i will back down on this one considering the better deal being proposed, hehe....and thanx mkuu.
NSAC is not gazzetted, its not in any parliamentary hansard.
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Proffessionals? Wat do u mean mkuu.....is nsc comprised of political quacks? If so, trust me...nsac is the mirror image of nsc....same people to the dot minus the presidency.
Ab-Titchaz
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This esteemed membr is trying to justify the impossible using tags that have no bearing. Whatever they are
selling, Im not buying. Creating shadow committees on a whim will not suffice.
Mekatilili
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This is just but an example of the rot in the country! The NSAC might as well be a tribal council. It is a tip of the iceberg; top leadership positions are the preserve of only one community and it does not end there....for it has the desired outcome. Watch as the masses rush to the defense of their tribesmen.
Kenya is greater than one tribe!
Kenya is greater than one tribe!
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Spot on!
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Funny how you think people are easily gullible to believe in this ---- you are posting here. The government is for the people and not for a particular tribe. Just like you told the other dude, you are being silly with these skewed explanations that your masters have sent you!
I do not wish to engage in verbal diarrhea with you. I am talking about offices not tribes. Trouble with tribal bigots is they see everything in tribal glasses. How people do not complain that Kikuyu are the dorminant tribe in prison, Mortuary and among hawkers? How come?
It is cheap to belittle truths because you do not agree with it. NSC and NSAC have always existed they are nothing new. And they will always be here. As for tribe, they shall also be here and we should not explain our failure by blaming others.
It is cheap to belittle truths because you do not agree with it. NSC and NSAC have always existed they are nothing new. And they will always be here. As for tribe, they shall also be here and we should not explain our failure by blaming others.
Regardless of Tribe it comprises of the following The Chief Of general Staff who is the Commander of the Air force, The Inspector General of Police, the Attorney General and the Permanent secretary In charge of Security. Now those are professionals. The Politicians include the Minster in charge of internal Security, the Minister for Defence, the Presidentr as the Commander in Chief and the secretary top the Cabinet who is also the head of Public Service. These are office not tribes. And that is what i mean by profession and political wings of the National security system.
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And the same fellas "proffessionals" are still found in nsc? Comeon, u can do better than this man, plus hold ua flares too....
Whoever constitutes nsac are the same people constituting nsc....plain and simple in black and white. SAME PEOPLE.....one outfit being scandalous.lol. If by proffessionals u mean CDF, NSIS, et al then NSC is composed of the same fellas as NSAC.
About your tribal stomaching issues, which aint an issue to me; its a high time when such high level security commitee(s) are being drawn, the national outlook be considered and be preserved. A forecast on ethnic rations constituting to such high levels committees advise appointments of heads of security apparatuses, the NSIS, CDF et al.
I avoided going into the tribal fox for obvious coexistence sake'. Chest jabbing kikuyus are here to stay n we (non kyuks) have to deal with it aint helping any mortal kenyan.
A fella of your callibre should know Kenya belongs to all of us, and hence such appointive positions be balanced to reflect the multi ethnic background of Kenya to debunk the Mt.Kenya mafia issue. Now that aint no tribal diahorriea right there.
Two wrongs daent make a right.
Kabaridi, any progress with alfa kilo? "TEA" major?
Whoever constitutes nsac are the same people constituting nsc....plain and simple in black and white. SAME PEOPLE.....one outfit being scandalous.lol. If by proffessionals u mean CDF, NSIS, et al then NSC is composed of the same fellas as NSAC.
About your tribal stomaching issues, which aint an issue to me; its a high time when such high level security commitee(s) are being drawn, the national outlook be considered and be preserved. A forecast on ethnic rations constituting to such high levels committees advise appointments of heads of security apparatuses, the NSIS, CDF et al.
I avoided going into the tribal fox for obvious coexistence sake'. Chest jabbing kikuyus are here to stay n we (non kyuks) have to deal with it aint helping any mortal kenyan.
A fella of your callibre should know Kenya belongs to all of us, and hence such appointive positions be balanced to reflect the multi ethnic background of Kenya to debunk the Mt.Kenya mafia issue. Now that aint no tribal diahorriea right there.
Two wrongs daent make a right.
Kabaridi, any progress with alfa kilo? "TEA" major?
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Kabaridi
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Mkuu i think mwathai has put it openly that NSC is political and NSAC is not. i am yet to dig in at TEA, I need to infact.
but there was still some commotion and did not evince why they were opposed to the appointments of deputies of the inspector general who hail not from central province. saying their appointments were not constitutional (now here I know those that cry 'tribalism' cannot shed some light...
team CORDed/tuko tayari as it has always been before reject appointements or decisions by people whether they be created by commissions formed under the new constitution.
We are simply dealing here with an ungrateful bunch of people that is all...
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Is it not laughable that some are now using semantics in an attempt to muddy the waters and dim the significance of the National Security Council.
The council is established in Chapter 14, article 240 of the constitution of Kenya and from sub article 3 onwards;
Now this is not a mom and pop institution but a vital organ established in the constitution of Kenya, with far reaching power and responsibility. Any attempt to state otherwise is misleading.
The fact that 6/8 of the members are from one community and 8/8 are are from 2 communities reflects badly on a country with a long shameful history of tribal conflicts.
The council is established in Chapter 14, article 240 of the constitution of Kenya and from sub article 3 onwards;
Now this is not a mom and pop institution but a vital organ established in the constitution of Kenya, with far reaching power and responsibility. Any attempt to state otherwise is misleading.
The fact that 6/8 of the members are from one community and 8/8 are are from 2 communities reflects badly on a country with a long shameful history of tribal conflicts.
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President Kibaki
Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka,
Defence minister Mohamed Yusuf Haji,
Internal Security minister Metito, and;
Foreign Affairs minister Prof Sam Ongeri.
Attorney General Githu Muigai
Permanent Secretaries in the
ministries of Foreign Affairs Thuita,
Internal Security PS Mutea Iringo and;
Chief of Defence Gen Julius Karangi,
National Intelligence Service (NIS) boss
Maj-Gen Michael Gichangi and
Commissioner of Police David Kimaiyo.
Kabaridi, wats proffessional in NSAC that isnt in NSC? Which looks proffessional to you? Is NSAC necessary afterall?
This professional cover smoke isnt selling to me, lol. roger me up as soon as you establish contact.
Nway with the political mood dissipating, i will resume armed chair defence forces soon.lol.
Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka,
Defence minister Mohamed Yusuf Haji,
Internal Security minister Metito, and;
Foreign Affairs minister Prof Sam Ongeri.
Attorney General Githu Muigai
Permanent Secretaries in the
ministries of Foreign Affairs Thuita,
Internal Security PS Mutea Iringo and;
Chief of Defence Gen Julius Karangi,
National Intelligence Service (NIS) boss
Maj-Gen Michael Gichangi and
Commissioner of Police David Kimaiyo.
Kabaridi, wats proffessional in NSAC that isnt in NSC? Which looks proffessional to you? Is NSAC necessary afterall?
This professional cover smoke isnt selling to me, lol. roger me up as soon as you establish contact.
Nway with the political mood dissipating, i will resume armed chair defence forces soon.lol.
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Ab-Titchaz
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This outfit kinda represents a national outlook while the other one looks more like a rag-tag tribal commision
of local chieftains aimed at 'gagging Raila Odinga'.
What is also not being said is the fact that these people draw money from taxpayers in the name of 'sitting allowance'
and other perks whenever they meet in the dark shadows.
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Now that irks deep, why have a double surbodinate quasi committee that is tribal rich while u have one with a bigger nationalistic approach inclusive of all members of NSAC and that can do the same task for u? .....
as much as am proud of my motherland saa zingine this tribal beast just sucks the life out of me. It just shows we (kenyans) got a long way b4 a turkana, borana or teso has to endure b4 he/she can be seen as an equal citizen of Kenya.
Nway, without shaming my motherland, the next CiC Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta better put an effort to settle some of these issues. Commissions aside, parliament too, he is the ultimate policy maker in Kenya afterall. A simple directive is wat he has to give.....
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The following positions are what is bringing hullabaloo, and methinks politicization is not allowed to infiltrate these posts;
1. CBK governer
2. NSIS
3. CID
4. Chief of Defence forces
5. ministry of finance
6. KRA
7. Attorney general
8. Head of Civil Service
9. KBC (kenya broadcasting Cooperation)
10. Director of public prosecutions (DPP)
We are just coming out of a government system that has been quarrelsome nearly won a spot in the Guinness-book of world records ..no!. We have to remain relevant. There also needs not to be lawlessness for the country to evince to the world that there is freedom of speech and no repression
Kabaridi
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we are settling into normal mode As a human being there has to come a time when guys get exhausted and focus to other things. No lol I am preparing smthing to appear at TEA soon lol. one would argue that the NSAC is filling to close the gap for NSC because MPs senators et al have not been sworn. A superficial thought though..
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Was there a meeting convened at night because of raila, I do not believe so but i if there is then this man must be spinning people's head's big-time
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Morio, habari ya Laikipia?...G.G. Kariuki bado yuko ama mlimtupa?...lol
On a serious note, night meetings is a figure of speech....just like 'dark forces'...unakumbuka hio?