Ni nani mnufaika wa Grand Ethiopian Renaissance halts?

joto la jiwe · Dec 17, 2018

Hahahahaha, wewe imekua ndiye monitoring and evaluation officer wa miradi?, wewe hupaswi kujua mradi umefikia hatua gani, muhimu kwako ni kusubiri November 2019 kuona kama train ya kwanza Africa ya bullet haijaanza safari ya Dar- Moro.

Nina kumbuka wewe na wenzako mliwahi kusema Tanzania haina uwezo wa kujenga hata kilometa moja ya train ya umeme, sasa hivi lugha inebadilika unazungumzia % ya Ujenzi ulipofikia, utapata taabu sana.

mwaswast said:
joto la jiwe hujajibu swali langu umelikwepa na kuanza visingizio basi muite mwenzako NDINDA akusaidie uone vile hata yeye atatoroka....Njia ya muongo ni fupi. Hamna 47% yeyote ujenzi hata nashuku umesimama mkizingija hela za mkopo.

joto la jiwe · Dec 17, 2018

sodoliki said:
Hahhahaha yaani manufacturers wahamishie viwanda tanzania au ethiopia . Kwa incentive gani?

Incentives zile zile zinazowafanya investors wa Kenya kuwekeza kwa wingi Tanzania kuliko nchi yoyote hapa Africa kwa sasa.

NairobiWalker · Dec 17, 2018

thisdayes said:
Hiyo MoU ya Tz kuchukua 400 MW kutoka Ethiopia haito tumika! Projections kufika 2025 Tz izalishe zaidi ya 100,000 MW. Giant anachukua position yake and there is no turning back.

When I say there are mad people on this forum people think I'm playing.

joto la jiwe · Dec 17, 2018

Jambo moja unapaswa ujue ni kwamba, Tanzania haijawahi kuitazama Kenya kama soko muhimu katika biashara yoyote ile, Tanzania miaka yote hutegemea nchi za kusini zaidi, biashara inayofanyika katika mpaka wa Zambia na Tanzania, ni Mara tano zaidi ya mpaka wa Namanga.

Actually biashara kati ya Kenya na Tanzania zaidi ni faida ya Kenya, kwasababu Kenya inapata soko Tanzania, na kuziwezesha bidhaa za Kenya kufikia Malawi, Zambia na Mozambique. Tafadhali sana mnapaswa kuiheshimu Sana Tanzania, if you try to compete with Tanzania, do it at your own risk.

kennedy0000 said:
Hakuna shida. Kama bei ya umeme kutoka jirani pamoja na transportation yake kuja Kenya itakuwa chini kuliko umeme wa Kenya, tutanunua tu.
Lakini kama mnataka kuzalisha umeme zaidi ya mnavyohitaji, ili muuzie Kenya, mtapata tabu sana. Kenya pia ina miradi yake ya umeme.

Kafrican · Dec 17, 2018

joto la jiwe said:
Wewe unatapatapa baada ya kuona Tanzania inatumia pesa yake katika miradi mikubwa jambo ambalo Kenya imeshindwa, zaidi ya kupiga kelele za GDP
1) Kila mkopo tunaochukua, unaeleweka na bunge linajulishwa kwanini serikali inakopa, wewe unaleta hesabu za Bank kuu, Tafadhali onyesha hizo pesa zilikopwa kwa sababu gani, utapata jibu wapi zilitumika.

2) Nimekuonyesha miradi ambayo tunaitekekeza kwa pesa za mikopo toka nje, kwa ujinga wako bado unauliza hizo pesa zimefanya kazi gani, unadhani BRT, TAZARA flyover, JKNIA Airport, Ubungo interchange, Salender bridge, Uboreshaji wa Dar na Dodoma, yote hiyo tunatumia pesa zipi?.

Deni la ndani kwetu huku zaidi ni local suppliers, malipo ya watumishi na wastaafu mbalimbali, na madeni yaliyoachwa na utawala dhahifu wa Kikwete, yanalipwa taratibu baada ya kufanyiwa verifications.

Tafadhali onyesha miradi inayogharimiwa na GoK, taja mradi mmoja wenye thamani ya $1B unaotimia pesa ya ndani.

Kwahivyo mnachukua madeni kulipa local suppliers alafu mnatumia kodi kulipia miradi????? kama vile nilivyosema, mnacheza mchezo wa karata wa pata potea kati ya kodi na mkopo..... Hakuna tofauti na Kenya ambayo inatumia mikopo kujenga miradi alafu kodi inatumika kulipa suppliers, malipo ya watumishi ...etc

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Dec 17, 2018

Kafrican said:
Kwahivyo mnachukua madeni kulipa local suppliers alafu mnatumia kodi kulipia miradi????? kama vile nilivyosema, mnacheza mchezo wa karata wa pata potea kati ya kodi na mkopo..... Hakuna tofauti na Kenya ambayo inatumia mikopo kujenga miradi alafu kodi inatumika kulipa suppliers, malipo ya watumishi ...etc

Tz is using a better mix of internal funds for its projects as well as foreign loans.
On top of that all of its projects employ 90% locals unlike kenya.
Its bat shit crazy to think that a sub saharan country can use its own funds in mega projects..No one can, and JPM has also clearly said so, its not a secret that TZ borrows and will continue to borrow but its funding mix positively impacts the cost and longterm viability of the projects

Janerose mzalendo · Dec 17, 2018

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Tz is using a better mix of internal funds for its projects as well as foreign loans.
On top of that all of its projects employ 90% locals unlike kenya.
Its bat shit crazy to think that a sub saharan country can use its own funds in mega projects..No one can, and JPM has also clearly said so, its not a secret that TZ borrows and will continue to borrow but its funding mix positively impacts the cost and longterm viability of the projects

And it's not a secret that tz debts had been cancelled and will continue to be cancelled because you can't pay.
You bite more than you can chew.

Kafrican · Dec 17, 2018

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Tz is using a better mix of internal funds for its projects as well as foreign loans.
On top of that all of its projects employ 90% locals unlike kenya.
Its bat shit crazy to think that a sub saharan country can use its own funds in mega projects..No one can, and JPM has also clearly said so, its not a secret that TZ borrows and will continue to borrow but its funding mix positively impacts the cost and longterm viability of the projects

onyesha ushahidi sio kupiga domo tu..show me evidence of exactly where all this over 4 billion USD went to...

Mimi nimeonyesha Tz ilichukua mikopo worth $4.7B 2017, Whatever they used this money for, It filled the budget gap so they could use the remaining internal funds to fund other projects...

joto la jiwe said:
Wewe unatapatapa baada ya kuona Tanzania inatumia pesa yake katika miradi mikubwa jambo ambalo Kenya imeshindwa, zaidi ya kupiga kelele za GDP
1) Kila mkopo tunaochukua, unaeleweka na bunge linajulishwa kwanini serikali inakopa, wewe unaleta hesabu za Bank kuu, Tafadhali onyesha hizo pesa zilikopwa kwa sababu gani, utapata jibu wapi zilitumika.

2) Nimekuonyesha miradi ambayo tunaitekekeza kwa pesa za mikopo toka nje, kwa ujinga wako bado unauliza hizo pesa zimefanya kazi gani, unadhani BRT, TAZARA flyover, JKNIA Airport, Ubungo interchange, Salender bridge, Uboreshaji wa Dar na Dodoma, yote hiyo tunatumia pesa zipi?.

Deni la ndani kwetu huku zaidi ni local suppliers, malipo ya watumishi na wastaafu mbalimbali, na madeni yaliyoachwa na utawala dhahifu wa Kikwete, yanalipwa taratibu baada ya kufanyiwa verifications.

Tafadhali onyesha miradi inayogharimiwa na GoK, taja mradi mmoja wenye thamani ya $1B unaotimia pesa ya ndani.

Regional economies have allocated a third of their individual budgets in the new financial year to infrastructure projects, aiming to boost economic activity and spur growth.
Of the $15.8 billion going to development projects, Kenya allocated $6.25 billion (39.5 per cent), followed by Tanzania at $5.3 billion, then Uganda at $3.05 billion and Rwanda at $1.28 billion.
Kenya reduced its allocation from $7.4 billion in the 2017/18 fiscal year. Tanzania’s allocation increased from $5.27 billion in the year ending June 30. Uganda had set aside $1.32 billion, while Rwanda had earmarked $924 million for development expenditure last year.
East Africa splurges on infrastructure in budgets

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Hapo kwa hio taarifa inaonyesha Kenya Ilitumia $7.4B kwa miradi hapo 2017, Wakati huo huo inaonyesha Tanzania ilitumia $5.27Billion kwa miradi yake....... Tayari pale mwanzo nimeonyesha mwaka huo huo Tanzania ilikopa madeni ya Nje na ndani takriban $4.7Billion ....... Hata mtu awe zuzu namna gani, hauwezi ukaniconvince kwamba Tanzania inatumia pesa zake za ndani kwa miradi......... Wanachofanya Serikali ya Tz ni kuchukua kodi ya ndani ambayo ilikua ni itumike kwa bajeti ya Afya au elimu na kutumia kodi hio kwa miradi alafu baadae wanachukua Loan na kujaza pengo la bajeti ya Afya, elimu nk

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Dec 17, 2018

Janerose mzalendo said:
And it's not a secret that tz debts had been cancelled and will continue to be cancelled because you can't pay.
You bite more than you can chew.

Hahaha, Loan forgiveness ended with Mkapa, but hey..its proof of Tz's superior diplomacy, The same countries that forgave Tz are now knocking on BoT doors everyday to lend to Tz..
As for Jubilee, even China that has no strings attached policy on Loans, has refused to lend to kenya anymore!

kennedy0000 · Dec 17, 2018

joto la jiwe said:
Jambo moja unapaswa ujue ni kwamba, Tanzania haijawahi kuitazama Kenya kama soko muhimu katika biashara yoyote ile, Tanzania miaka yote hutegemea nchi za kusini zaidi, biashara inayofanyika katika mpaka wa Zambia na Tanzania, ni Mara tano zaidi ya mpaka wa Namanga.

Actually biashara kati ya Kenya na Tanzania zaidi ni faida ya Kenya, kwasababu Kenya inapata soko Tanzania, na kuziwezesha bidhaa za Kenya kufikia Malawi, Zambia na Mozambique. Tafadhali sana mnapaswa kuiheshimu Sana Tanzania, if you try to compete with Tanzania, do it at your own risk.

Danganya toto jinga.
Kenya is your biggest trading partner in Africa.
Na sio hivo tu. Kenya ndio source kubwa zaidi ya FDI yenu in Africa.

On the other hand, Tanzania is not Kenya's biggest trade partner in Africa. Uganda is.

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Dec 17, 2018

Kafrican said:
onyesha ushahidi sio kupiga domo tu..show me evidence of exactly where all this over 4 billion USD went to...

Mimi nimeonyesha Tz ilichukua mikopo worth $4.7B 2017, Whatever they used this money for, It filled the budget gap so they could use the remaining internal funds to fund other projects...

Regional economies have allocated a third of their individual budgets in the new financial year to infrastructure projects, aiming to boost economic activity and spur growth.
Of the $15.8 billion going to development projects, Kenya allocated $6.25 billion (39.5 per cent), followed by Tanzania at $5.3 billion, then Uganda at $3.05 billion and Rwanda at $1.28 billion.
Kenya reduced its allocation from $7.4 billion in the 2017/18 fiscal year. Tanzania’s allocation increased from $5.27 billion in the year ending June 30. Uganda had set aside $1.32 billion, while Rwanda had earmarked $924 million for development expenditure last year.
East Africa splurges on infrastructure in budgets

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Hapo kwa hio taarifa inaonyesha Kenya Ilitumia $7.4B kwa miradi hapo 2017, Wakati huo huo inaonyesha Tanzania ilitumia $5.27Billion kwa miradi yake....... Tayari pale mwanzo nimeonyesha mwaka huo huo Tanzania ilikopa madeni ya Nje na ndani takriban $4.7Billion ....... Hata mtu awe zuzu namna gani, hauwezi ukaniconvince kwamba Tanzania inatumia pesa zake za ndani kwa miradi......... Wanachofanya Serikali ya Tz ni kuchukua kodi ya ndani ambayo ilikua ni itumike kwa bajeti ya Afya au elimu na kutumia kodi hio kwa miradi alafu baadae wanachukua Loan na kujaza pengo la bajeti ya Afya, elimu nk

well out of $7bn that kenya allocated, how much is local funds? if NOT all foreign loans?
Tanzania allocated $5bn and borrowed $4bn meaning atleast $1bn is from internal sources..On top of that JPM has been raising cheap loans to payoff some expensive loans acquired during the kikwete regime..So not all the $4bn loaned goes to projects.
The key here is Right "Mix" of foreign and local funds

Kafrican · Dec 17, 2018

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
well out of $7bn that kenya allocated, how much is local funds? if NOT all foreign loans?
Tanzania allocated $5bn and borrowed $4bn meaning atleast $1bn is from internal sources..On top of that JPM has been raising cheap loans to payoff some expensive loans acquired during the kikwete regime..So not all the $4bn loaned goes to projects.
The key here is Right "Mix" of foreign and local funds

So $1Billion extra is "right mix" ??? I thought the mantra was "tunajenga kila kitu kwa cash..."
And FYI kenya borrowed $6.32Billion in 2017 FY which also leaves $1Billion extra.... Considering that we spend almost twice as much as Tz spends on Security, Education etc using local sources of funds I would say our mix is just fine..

joto la jiwe · Dec 17, 2018

Hahahahaha, unajaribu kujificha kwa kutumia kivuli chako mwenyewe. Nimekuonyesha miradi ambayo tuna tumia pesa ya mikopo, kamwe sijataja deni la ndani kulipwa kwa kutumia pesa ya mkopo, kwa Africa ni Kenya pekee ambayo hukopa deni ili kulipia deni lingine. Ifuatayo ni miradi tunayolipia kwa mikopo ya nje.
1)Upanuzi wa bandari za Dar, Tanga, Mtwara,
2)Ujenzi wa JKNIA
3)Ujenzi wa TAZARA flyover & Ubungo interchange
4) Ujenzi wa miradi mkubwa wa kusambaza MAJI nchini
5)Uboreshaji wa barabara za Dar, na Dodoma
6)BRT
7)ujenzi wa Hospitali ya Mloganzila
8)Ujenzi wa baadhi ya barabara za mikoani
9)Ujenzi wa daraja la Salender, Dar.
10)Ujenzi wa Dar-Chalinze Super high way.

Hiyo ndiyo miradi tuliyokopa, the rest tunatumia pesa ya ndani. Hiyo miradi yote haifikii $3B, wakati miradi tunayotumia pesa ya ndani hadi sasa ni zaidi ya $8B.

Deni la ndani linalipwa kwa pesa ya ndani, hakuna nchi duniani yenye wachumi wazuri inayokopa ili kulipa deni lingine,only Kenya.

Kafrican said:
Kwahivyo mnachukua madeni kulipa local suppliers alafu mnatumia kodi kulipia miradi????? kama vile nilivyosema, mnacheza mchezo wa karata wa pata potea kati ya kodi na mkopo..... Hakuna tofauti na Kenya ambayo inatumia mikopo kujenga miradi alafu kodi inatumika kulipa suppliers, malipo ya watumishi ...etc

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Dec 17, 2018

Kafrican said:
So $1Billion extra is "right mix" ??? I thought the mantra was "tunajenga kila kitu kwa cash..."
And FYI kenya borrowed $6.32Billion in 2017 FY which also leaves $1Billion extra.... Considering that we spend almost twice as much as Tz spends on Security, Education etc using local sources of funds I would say our mix is just fine..

Kenya borrows to steal, thats the difference. NHIF 50bn lost, KPC 70bn, NYS 10bn,
Infact, 1/3 of budget is stolen and by that proportion $2bn of loans is stolen.

mwaswast · Dec 17, 2018

joto la jiwe said:
Hahahahaha, wewe imekua ndiye monitoring and evaluation officer wa miradi?, wewe hupaswi kujua mradi umefikia hatua gani, muhimu kwako ni kusubiri November 2019 kuona kama train ya kwanza Africa ya bullet haijaanza safari ya Dar- Moro.

Nina kumbuka wewe na wenzako mliwahi kusema Tanzania haina uwezo wa kujenga hata kilometa moja ya train ya umeme, sasa hivi lugha inebadilika unazungumzia % ya Ujenzi ulipofikia, utapata taabu sana.

Aaaw! Imekuuma totooo pole sana nitakununulia pipi ya Kenya.
Cunt wait for November 2019 nione "bullet train".
Nyinyi ni dumping ground ya SADC products. Viwanda vyenu vya tofali, juisi na vyerehani Tano ni upuzi mtupu.

Kafrican · Dec 17, 2018

joto la jiwe said:
Hahahahaha, unajaribu kujificha kwa kutumia kivuli chako mwenyewe. Nimekuonyesha miradi ambayo tuna tumia pesa ya mikopo, kamwe sijataja deni la ndani kulipwa kwa kutumia pesa ya mkopo, kwa Africa ni Kenya pekee ambayo hukopa deni ili kulipia deni lingine. Ifuatayo ni miradi tunayolipia kwa mikopo ya nje.
1)Upanuzi wa bandari za Dar, Tanga, Mtwara,
2)Ujenzi wa JKNIA
3)Ujenzi wa TAZARA flyover & Ubungo interchange
4) Ujenzi wa miradi mkubwa wa kusambaza MAJI nchini
5)Uboreshaji wa barabara za Dar, na Dodoma
6)BRT
7)ujenzi wa Hospitali ya Mloganzila
8)Ujenzi wa baadhi ya barabara za mikoani
9)Ujenzi wa daraja la Salender, Dar.
10)Ujenzi wa Dar-Chalinze Super high way.

Hiyo ndiyo miradi tuliyokopa, the rest tunatumia pesa ya ndani. Hiyo miradi yote haifikii $3B, wakati miradi tunayotumia pesa ya ndani hadi sasa ni zaidi ya $8B.

Deni la ndani linalipwa kwa pesa ya ndani, hakuna nchi duniani yenye wachumi wazuri inayokopa ili kulipa deni lingine,only Kenya.

Porojo tele, Tangu 2010 Kila mwaka Kenya imeongoza EAC kwa bajeti ya miundombinu, Miradi mikubwa haijengwi kwa mwaka mmoja, pesa hulipiwa pole pole kila mwaka mradi unavyoendelea......,,Hizo porojo zengine za ku list miradi bila ushahidi kua yote imelipiwa pesa zote kwa mpigo ni mchezo wa watoto wa kujenga nyumba za makaratasi..

East Africa splurges on infrastructure in budgets

2017 Kenya ilitumia $7.4B kwa infrastructure wakati Tz ilitumia $5.27 billion
Kwa bajeti ya 2018 Kenya $6.25 billion na Tanzania $5.3Billion

Sasa ngojea 2019 ndo tuone kama mtafikisha hio $8Billion ndani ya mwaka mmoja

Kafrican · Dec 17, 2018

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Kenya borrows to steal, thats the difference. NHIF 50bn lost, KPC 70bn, NYS 10bn,
Infact, 1/3 of budget is stolen and by that proportion $2bn of loans is stolen.

And yet Kenya ranks higher than Tz on health indicators, Infrastructure, education...

joto la jiwe · Dec 17, 2018

Kafrican said:
Porojo tele, Tangu 2010 Kila mwaka Kenya imeongoza EAC kwa bajeti ya miundombinu, Miradi mikubwa haijengwi kwa mwaka mmoja, pesa hulipiwa pole pole kila mwaka mradi unavyoendelea......,,Hizo porojo zengine za ku list miradi bila ushahidi kua yote imelipiwa pesa zote kwa mpigo ni mchezo wa watoto wa kujenga nyumba za makaratasi..

East Africa splurges on infrastructure in budgets

2017 Kenya ilitumia $7.4B kwa infrastructure wakati Tz ilitumia $5.27 billion
Kwa bajeti ya 2018 Kenya $6.25 billion na Tanzania $5.3Billion

Sasa ngojea 2019 ndo tuone kama mtafikisha hio $8Billion ndani ya mwaka mmoja

Onyesha ni mradi gani mkubwa huko kwenu uliotumia pesa ya serikali yenu, hiyo bajeti kubwa yote inategemea wachina kuwapa pesa. Taifa gani linapanga matumizi makubwa lakini linategemea kukopa kwa zaidi ya 90%.

Kafrican · Dec 17, 2018

joto la jiwe said:
Onyesha ni mradi gani mkubwa huko kwenu uliotumia pesa ya serikali yenu, hiyo bajeti kubwa yote inategemea wachina kuwapa pesa. Taifa gani linapanga matumizi makubwa lakini linategemea kukopa kwa zaidi ya 90%.

Umeshindwa na hoja wewe

kennedy0000 · Dec 17, 2018

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Kenya borrows to steal, thats the difference. NHIF 50bn lost, KPC 70bn, NYS 10bn,
Infact, 1/3 of budget is stolen and by that proportion $2bn of loans is stolen.

You usual consolation.
Even after stealing, we have more to show than you.
When you are celebrating your first flyover, Nairobi is full of them.
SGR proceeding at neck-breaking speed.
Electricity more than double you connection %.
Health insurance (NHIF) over 20% of the population. Tanzania is less than 1%.
The list is endless.

Since you don't steal your money, where does it go?
Ama Supremo has silenced your media from reporting when he pockets it?

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